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If the mods will let it through, I will give two examples.
1. A woman I know of is extremely learned and wanted to give back to the community. She wanted to start giving a women-only Shiur for the women of her community. Because she offered that, she and her family were for many purposes ostracized from her community. So she joined a Conservative synagogue where she happily teaches Torah to the community.
2. A woman was an only child and wanted to say Kaddish for one of her parents (don’t remember which). Her Shul wouldn’t let her, so she started Davening at a Conservative place where she could say Kaddish. She liked the community and stayed with the synagogue even after a year.
I know these families and they are 100% Shomer Torah Umitzvos (aside from Davening at a Conservative synagogue, obviously). I have a very hard time finding fault with people like this. They might be a small minority, but my point is that they do exist.
I noticed Yungerman. And I apologize if I wasn’t clear in my first post exactly what I was protesting against. YB would be the same issue as JB to me, even if it less offensive for other reasons.
M80: I read the whole thing. He still objected to that. That was the standard format. Think JRR Tolkein or CS Lewis. The example I know he objected to was “Rabbi YY Weinberg”. So yes, I think even in this case it’s an insult, even if it wasn’t intended as such.
I want to be very clear: I am in no way, shape, or form defending the Conservative movement. I am defending those people associated with it (for whatever reasons) who are probably more Orthodox than Conservative anyway and are just involved in a Conservative community/go to a Conservative synagogue.
Rav Soloveitchik during his life was strongly against people referring to Roshei Yeshivah by their initials, which was a common way to refer to respected academics 50ish years ago. He felt that Roshei Yeshivah should be above that. It’s sad that somehow many people have decided to now refer to him by his initials like that.
My Shul’s Minhag is that you only use the Yomim Nora’im Trop for Chassan Torah and Chassan B’reishis, so I shouldn’t really have a problem but I still do. It’s hard. Same with Shevi’i of Vayeira (I don’t have a problem with the previous two Aliyos for some reason).
Yungerman: I am hoping that it was just because you didn’t want to type out more, but it is both offensive and insulting when you say “R. JB”.
A few go to YU. Most don’t go to college from my understanding though.
It’s Rabbi Maiselman’s Yeshivah. It is very much not MO but probably not quite Chareidi enough for the complete Chareidim to be happy with. I never spoke to any of the Rebbeim but everyone I knew from there loved the learning and the Chevre there (except for one guy who just didn’t fit in, and yes he was too modern).
Ilovetorah: Why in the world would there be no Tza’ar Ba’alei Chayim on fish? Insects might be an interesting discussion but why not fish?
Shlishi: And how do you know the person is a Catholic?
You have to understand what the SH”A means when he says something. If it’s just a Middas Chassidus (or equivalent) then there wouldn’t be a Chiyuv to say it, just a very strong good reason to.
Happiest: Can we ask what the question and answer were?
Sam4: Is that specifically by this case? I know in general we say “Ketanim Lav B’nei Mechila”, but that could be in regards to giving up a claim or entitlement, not to the literal form of Mechila.
It always bothers me when people say this every year. We are not supposed to predict the Keitz because if we are wrong then people will give up.
Shlishi: Correct. The word “many” probably implied more than actually exist. I can confidently say “not all” though.
I am not saying that it is okay or safe to assume that the average Conservative person is Shomer Halacha. Of course not. I would say that because it is a vast majority that someone (most places, I can only speak for what I have seen) who Davens at a Conservative synagogue does not have a Chezkas Kashrus. What I am pointing out is that statements like 600’s that anyone anywhere who goes to a Consevative synagogue is a Mumar Lehachis and a Kofer B’ikar is just wrong.
Actually, the P’sak I was given didn’t mention the starting S”E while the Tzibbur is still saying S”E and I didn’t think to ask. But yes, it would seem to be much safer that way.
600: I will leave it at saying that we obviously know different Conservative people. I have met several who are completely Shomer Halacha and believe in Torah Min Hashamayim. You obviously haven’t.
I am not sure about the Shatz. R’ Moshe would seem to say that as long as you start before the Tzibbor finishes then you are okay. I asked the same Shaila also because I used to take an incredibly long time to say K’rias Sh’ma. I was told that as long as I was at Sh’ma on time and I davened at my pace while the Tzibbor passed me then I was completely fine.
Shlishi: Many people don’t hold of Lo Sechonem when they are not an Oved Avodah Zarah Gamur.
600: Strong words when misapplied make them weaker when they really matter. To be a Mumar Lehach’is you would actually have to be Over some sort of Lav. Tell me what this person is necessarily Over. And why does that make someone a Kofer B’ikar? Do you know what the words Kofer B’ikar mean?
Shlishi: The Be’ur Halacha I believe discusses something similar to that. And R’ Moshe says that as long as someone who started with the Tzibbur is still Davening Shmoneh Esrei when you start then you are okay.
600: That’s not misunderstood. It’s pretty explicit in the Tanya.
MP: Right on with that one. Same with Kodesh Hi LaCHEM in the Z’miros.
My biggest peeve with Ba’alei Kriah is Paro’s name. Pa-ro means “his bull”. Par-oh is a name meaning Pharaoh. According to the way most people Lein, Moshe Rabbeinu has a talking bull.
I think his point is that there is little logical reason to differentiate between a Tzeduki and a Conservative for this.
Itche: Just everything. Mil’eils and vowels both.
The An’im Zemiros line was meant as a joke but the irony is noted.
There were some early Chassidism whose ideas and actions were very similar to the followers of Shabsai Tzvi’s. Baruch Hashem almost none of that entered mainstream Chassidism.
To quote someone from Yeshivah with me, “There is no more powerful Mussar than actually learning Halacha.” Of course, that’s probably not what you’re looking for here.
Yitay: A litvack who doesn’t only wear white shirts and says Halel with a Bracha on Yom Ha’atzma’ut? Oops…
Toi: The paragraph of Mechalkel Chayim hurts me to listen to sometimes. I have heard people that barely get a single word right in that paragraph. And An’im Zemiros must have been written by a Chossid because it is basically impossible to get every word there right.
Sam4: We assume that washing is only D’rabannan. Why not just say Heim Amru V’heim Amru?
Why not?
Fine, I should have said almost completely. And by many I didn’t necessarily mean a large percentage but there is a decent number.
Once again, a broken bone (a real break, not just a hairline fracture) is almost always Sakanas Nefashos.
Wow. The “world revolves around New York” mentality that some people have is amazing. And what about the Jews in Detroit?
A broken bone is (almost) always considered Sakanas Nefashos.
Health: Minhag Oker Halacha. The Minhag for women not to fast in some places is very old and accepted and therefore doesn’t really need a Haskama from the Poskim. It is not a Minhag I would recommend to anyone looking to create their own Minhagim (e.g. a Ba’al T’shuva) but it definitely is legitimate for those who do it.
M80: There are very clearly things that are not Melachos but shouldn’t be done. See I believe Igros Moshe OC 4:60 (the one about timers). Also, Rav Schachter quotes a Ramban that there is an Issur Asei of “Tishbos” on Shabbos that applies if someone does things that might be Muttar but take away from the inherent day of Shabbos.
I don’t think I’m misunderstood. I think I’m just weird. But I would think that they do.
It sounds very strange. I don’t doubt that they could, but it’s just a weird requirement.
Yichusdik: I think you are wrong about how the Perushim historically related to other sectarian groups, but your point about Conservative should be accepted. There is a huge spectrum of Conservative Judaism. Many “Conservative”s are completely Shomer Halacha and there are many that have no relation to authentic Judaism whatsoever. Lumping them all into one group is foolish to say the least.
Many “Conservative”s are completely Shomer Halacha
You learn something new every day.
Health: I have sisters. They’ll start recommending their friends to me at some point.
Health: Is that what YU Hashkafa is? I feel like there are plenty of things about a “YU Hashkafa” that would just entirely misrepresent what I think.
I follow Halacha. I think the idea of a “Hashkafa” has been very harmful and followed much divisiveness in Judaism. I do what I am obligated to, don’t do what is Assur, and sometimes do what is Muttar. I have my Rebbeim and Poskim who I follow for Lema’aseh Shailos. I don’t need or want an overarching “Hashkafa” to help me circumvent Halacha where it doesn’t “feel right”.
I’m a 22-year-old guy who feels the exact same way and was told that I am “weird” for that. So if you’re not normal at least you’re not alone in your abnormality. 🙂
No one gets set up with me. Of course, that might be due to the fact that when someone asks what exactly my Hashkafa is I say I don’t have one.
Yitay: I don’t think that’s a Limud Z’chus. I think that’s Poshut P’shat.
Because they want S’char for being Mevaser when they are publicly embarrassed. It’s a problem. I feel like many Shuls are just not Yotzei Leining ever.