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Chanie: I assume he started a year before Yetziyas Mitzrayim at the Sneh. I don’t think we know when that was, so I’m assuming it was around when the Makkos started which according to I believe a Rashi Al Hatorah is 1 year before they left. From Yetziyas Mitzrayim to Chet Ham’raglim is 17 months (one year+5 months until Av). Then there are 6 more months from Av in the final year until Adar. What did you do differently?
Sam2ParticipantSam4: If it’s obviously way too cold you don’t even have to try, especially if there is concern you might get sick.
Sam2ParticipantDr. Suess: During the year that is a real Hataras Nedarim. The one we do before R”H is symbolic and doesn’t really do anything.
The Gemara in Nedarim says that one who gets up before R”H and announces that any Nedarim he makes during the year won’t be Chal then it works. So the last paragraph we say may be to effect that outcome.
Sam2ParticipantHealth: Why no Bracha?
Sam2ParticipantSorry Toi, you’re gonna have to be more specific. I’m not sure exactly what you’re referring to. Lo Soch’lu Al Hadam? Eating before Davening is a Lav Sheyeish Bo Kareis? I don’t think so. And it’s a Drasha somewhere that Lo Soch’lu Ad Sheyispalelu Al Dimchem.
Sam2ParticipantYitay: Interesting. Tosafos elsewhere seems to say otherwise and I believe that Tosafos in Bava Metzia (114b maybe) explicitly says Lo Bashamayim He that we don’t Pasken like Eliyahu Hanavi.
Sam2Participant1-4: Dunno.
5: Yes.
Sam2ParticipantDr. Seuss: In Eretz Yisroel it’s not cold.
Sam2Participant1. It is symbolic (although the last paragraph may have a Halachic effect, which we only give a one-year term on) and doesn’t accomplish any Halachic function so we do it every year.
2. In many places women do do it or appoint a brother/father/spouse as a Shaliach when they do it.
3. The answer would be the same as my answer to #1, though it’s not clear that a father or brother actually can serve on the Beis Din.
Sam2ParticipantAYC: My point was why do we Pasken like Menashe, not what the Halacha was.
Sam2ParticipantThe real question is why we Pasken like that. It’s from a dream and a source that should be questionable at best.
Sam2ParticipantBro: Be both. Gilu Bir’ada
Sam2ParticipantChanie: I would say about 2 years and 11 months.
Sam2ParticipantI would be shocked if any Posek told an anorexic or recovering anorexic to not eat. If anyone tells one to fast I would ask several times to make sure they understand exactly what anorexia is and how easy relapses can be.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: You were Yotzei before this. Although if that was really your intention then this would be an Aveirah Lishmah and not count.
Sam2ParticipantBlabla: It’s a Machlokes Haposkim. We generally seem to assume that the Mitzvah is connected to the Mitzvah of fasting and that they go together (they are Darshaned from the same Possuk-sort of). In the vast majority of cases, it can’t hurt to eat so the person should eat a lot just in case. In your case, do whatever your doctor/psychiatrist/Rabbi (preferably after all three discuss with each other if possible) tells you to.
Sam2ParticipantI someone takes a Neder not to eat anything on Erev Yom Kippur then he was Over Bal T’acher immediately and the Neder was not Chal. If someone had already eaten something that day then they cannot eat until after the fast unless they do Hataras Nedarim.
Sam2ParticipantYatay: Rashi there is clearly pointing out that the Din is to ahve a special Seduah (although I think he appears to be slightly Soseir himself somewhere else). And Achilas Matzah (Rosh Hashana 28b at the very top, I believe) would seem to disprove you, but see the Rishonim and Poskim on that Gemara and Sugya and I would assume the Din is similar here.
Sam2ParticipantWhere is that story is there anything that would be Battul because of Masneh Al Ma Shekasuv Batorah.
Sam2ParticipantM80: I quoted that there is a very good Heter for married people. I believe it’s a Rama. What’s the Heter for Bochurim?
Sam2ParticipantSam4: I don’t know what to say to those who don’t. It’s against a black and white Din in the Gemara. Assuming the weather is fair it’s a Bittul Asei D’Oraisa. The weather always having been too cold in Europe can’t be an excuse for Eretz Yisrael (and sometimes in America) now.
Sam2ParticipantM80: Just a warning, my browser tells me that the site you linked there has “suspicious activities”. Is the site safe from viruses?
Sam2ParticipantMik5: Some Poskim hold there might be a Mitzvah last night but it’s a minority. If you hold like the Rishonim who say that the Mitzvah is Davka B’Seudah then it wouldn’t matter what or how much you eat or drink as long as you have the Seudah. If you hold there is a Mitzvah for everything you eat all day then it should apply to drinking as well. (If I recall correctly the Gemara uses the Lashon of Kol Ha’ochel V’shoseh…”)
Sam2ParticipantThey made it again, but I feel like it was better last year. Just my personal opinion. It’s titled Unesaneh Tokef 5771.
Sam2ParticipantI think it was from last year. It was chilling.
Sam2ParticipantGumball: Maybe you or your father can make you your own small Sukkah just for you to sleep in. I have seen people do that.
Sam2ParticipantM80: I don’t know all the biology behind it. What I know is that both myself and several people I know have had this issue in the past. It could just be correlation and not causation, but be wary. I use Mentos now and have never had a problem with them. I do make sure to take a 5-minute break every few hours and brush my teeth. I don’t know if that actually accomplishes anything but sucking on Mentos all day cannot be good for them.
Sam2ParticipantCorrect, if it’s unsafe one can leave. The rule is that you treat the Sukkah like your own room. If you would leave your bedroom because there is noise, animals, etc. and go to a different room in the house then you can leave the Sukkah for those same reasons.
October 7, 2011 3:40 pm at 3:40 pm in reply to: What is the most important thing on Yom Kippur? #975052Sam2ParticipantYungerman: Of course. Although someone who has to sleep all day may be getting close to someone who has to eat. It’s a case-by-case thing, but I do agree with you in theory. But still, someone who fasts but doesn’t do T’shuvah has fulfilled the Mitzvah of fasting (and avoided the Lav of not fasting) but has not accomplished the purpose of Yom Kippur.
Sam2ParticipantKin’as Sofrim Marbeh Chochmah.
Sam2ParticipantYungerman: That’s R’ Shlomo Zalman Leshitaso by Mitzvos Tzrichos Kavanah who says (first Siman in the Minchas Shlomo) that the Din should be that you’re Over an Asei D’Oraisa if you wear Tzitzis in a bathroom (Mitzvos Tzrichos Kavana and since you can’t have Kavana in a bathroom you are wearing a Beged Shel 4 Kanfos without Tzitzis). For whatever reason, we clearly don’t hold by his understanding of Mitzvos Tzrichos Kavana. (And yes, I do realize that there are several potential ways to distinguish between Tzitzis and Sukkah and say even though we don’t hold like him there we hold like him by Sukkah.)
And I already made my M’cha’ah. What you choose to do with it is not my responsibility.
Sam2ParticipantBe careful about sucking candies. It’s a nice idea but a lot of the sugars in them can function as laxatives when taken in too high a quantity. Having Diarrhea on Yom Kippur is a very easy way to get dehydrated very quickly.
Sam2ParticipantObligatory unless it’s raining/too cold or there is a legitimate concern that you would get yourself sick.
The Rama has a Heter for married people and Chabad (in theory) has a Minhag not, but it’s against the Din of the Gemara and Poskim so it’s probably not a Minhag that should be followed.
Sam2ParticipantYungerman: That’s not so Pashut by Sukkah either.
I remember thinking that if you assume like the Brisker Rav and that it is actually a Kiyum of an Asei D’Oraisa that you should be allowed to eat even before Davening on Erev Yom Kippur because the Asei could be Docheh the Lo Sa’asei of Lo Soch’lu Al Hadam. I never actually do it though.
Sam2ParticipantChanie: On what do you base your assumption that all the Avos were supposed to live for 180 years? That’s also interesting; I will look into if another source for that exists. So far every one I have seen referenced talks about the “Midrash” by the Kosel, but it’s possible. I know the Family Midrash Says on Shmuel quotes it if I recall correctly, maybe I can track down the source through there.
October 7, 2011 2:03 pm at 2:03 pm in reply to: What is the most important thing on Yom Kippur? #975048Sam2ParticipantYungerman: While I would normally love a statement like that, I think a Passuk in Yeshayahu disagrees with you. Those are prerequisites to spending the day properly, but they are not the Ikkar.
Sam2ParticipantSam4: The Mishnah Berurah might be Machmir for it and there really is little reason in most cases not to treat it as a D’Oraisa, but it is hard to say that Poshut P’shat is that it’s D’Oraisa. Still, according to the Shittos that it is D’Oraisa you would need a different answer.
Sam2ParticipantMOC: According to several Rishonim Mid’var Sheker Tirchak is not a Lav against lying.
Chanie: Do you have a source for that? As far as I know that Midrash goes hand in hand with the “Midrash” that Dovid Hamelech built one wall of the Beis Hamikdash (the Kosel) and that is what it was never destroyed. Of course, the Kosel was never part of the Beis Hamikdash so that “Midrash” is clearly not really a Midrash.
Sam2ParticipantPBA: Why are you making these up and how is it not Megaleh Panim Batorah (especially because you tried to pass it off as truth and a lot of people thought you were serious)?
Sam2ParticipantYitay: I don’t want to go into it now but there are reasons to say against your Kal V’chomer.
It’s a Machlokes Haposkim whether the Mitzvah is Davka to have a (special) Seduah or whether there is a Kiyum for everything you eat all day.
Sam2ParticipantBaalHabooze: The Artscroll Machzor gives a different answer to that. They say that after a day of fasting and Davening on Yom Kippur we realize how much left we really have to do.
I always thought that is was a special law by Yom Kippur. Even a Tzaddik Gammur says it quietly all year round. On Yom Kippur (Kol Hayom Mechaper) we are like Malachim every second of the day, so as long as it’s part of Yom Kippur we say it out loud. As soon as it’s no longer than holy day we are not like Malachim, regardless of what level each individual is on.
Sam2ParticipantMak: Many people will eventually own all of their Seforim electronically and have a few just for Shabbos/Yom Tov and go to a Beis Medrash with books on Shabbos/Yom Tov when they need.
Sam2ParticipantLesschumras: Having gone to a Shul that says almost all of those I really appreciate it.
Sam2ParticipantI know, but the Viduy on Yom Kippur itself is much more important and usually has more feeling.
Also, that’s their greatest contribution to those who can already learn. Obviously, the Gemaras are their greatest contribution to K’lal Yisrael as a whole. (And the commentary to the Chumash is also amazing. When answering people’s questions on Chumash, I found that almost 9 out of 10 answers were found in the Artscroll notes).
Sam2ParticipantI think I’ve made my position clear. It stems from the fact that I have had the fortune (obviously misfortune in some of your eyes) of having met several Conservatives who are Shomer Halacha. That has shaped my opinion on this. I am not defending anything; I am just saying that some of the reactions here to them are extreme and are not what Halacha (though I will agree it is debatable) holds in this situation.
Sam2ParticipantI think Artscroll’s greatest contribution is their expanded Viduy in the back of the Yom Kippur Machzor. Everyone should read through that at least twice before Ma’ariv tomorrow night.
Sam2ParticipantHonestly, I find Vayeilech terrible to prepare. But the hardest by far is Vayikra, and it’s not even close.
Sam2ParticipantSoliek: If they keep Shabbos and Kosher (really keep, with all of the Halachos) I wouldn’t call them Mumrim Lehachis or say that if they touch your wine it’s Stam Yeinam.
Sam2ParticipantThis woman was giving a Gemara Shiur, not Nach or Halacha. And I am not defending the action of even going to the Conservative synagogue. I just think that it doesn’t Passul the person.
Sam2ParticipantBaalHabooze: You should (or probably shouldn’t) look at what percentage of printed items in the 16th and 17th centuries were. You’d be surprised at how much Pritzus the Church had to try and repress.
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