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Chole She’ein Bo Sakanah, which the Ramah defines as Choleh Kol Gufo or Nafal Lamishkav (you have to lie down) is allowed to do anything that is Assur Mishum Refuah. Vitamins are probably a Ma’achal Bri’im, though if they had existed at the time of Chazal then Chazal would have most likely extended the Gezeirah to them because they are often crushed.
If you’ll actually pay for it there should be nothing wrong.
Chanie: It’s not Serach Bas Asher. I once did the math and if you assume she’s the woman from Tekoa you’re still over 100 years short of Mesushelach.
If you assume Noach didn’t have kids until he was 500 then probably his wife.
Chanie: Rav Schachter mentioned it a few days ago. Some say she was Noach’s wife and some say she was the first prostitute. You are not supposed to end an Aliyah on a bad thing. So some end the Aliyah at Achos Tuval Kayin Na’amah because that’s a good thing (she was Noach’s wife), and some end it at Az Huchal Likro Beshem Hashem, which is also bad but apparently those Minhagin have a different translation for the word Huchal.
Following any Posek blindly from a previous generation is not how our Mesorah and chain of Halacha works.
Yitay: That still only applies at a time where we actually ask for rain. The gemara is very clear that Mashiv Haruach without V’sein Tal U’Matar is never a request.
Chanie: It’s a Machlokes in the Midrashim (and the Minhagim by Leining Parshas Bereishis) whether Na’amah married Noach or not.
Welcome back AYC. Mashiv Haruach and Tefillas Geshem are not asking for rain (Gemara in the beginning of Ta’anis). They are just mentioning the Koach of Hashem. However, it is inappropriate to mention such a Koach at a time when rain is a Siman K’lalah. Even if you sit in the Sukkah on S”A in CHU”L, it’s not a Siman K’lalah if it rains. Therefore, we start saying Mashiv Haruach on S”A even in CHU”L.
GAW: That could be. There’s also a Livyasan Gemara at the end of Eilu Treifos, if I recall correctly. (Or maybe there’s no Gemara there but it’s referenced and the Artscroll footnote gave the whole story? I don’t remember.)
Astrix: And Rav Moshe couldn’t think of that? Obviously either you or Rav Moshe are misunderstanding the purpose of covering hair. If I had to guess, I would say that Rav Moshe isn’t the one who did.
Health: I think that everyone who comes to NCSY or another one of these programs is knocking at the door and asking someone to be Mekarev them. You would rather get rid of those programs, if I understand correctly.
Are you sure that the Rambam hold of Arvus the same way that we normally assume it? If the Rambam has a different definition of Arvus then would you agree that we might not hold like this Rambam that you quoted?
I believe it’s in the end of the third Perek in Chullin, but I could very easily be very wrong.
Health: It is fair to compare reform and conservatives to the karaites that the Rambam had. This requires a bit further looking into. What does the Rambam do with Kol Yisrael Areivim and Lo sa’amod Al Dam Re’acha here? This is an interesting thing to look into.
On a side note, even if there is no Chiyuv to be Mekarev that doesn’t mean that anyone, ever, has a right to push away someone who wants to come closer to Yiddishkeit.
I am sorry that you got offended. I did not say anything to you that I would not have said to someone I was learning with in person. I apologize if that somehow came across the internet as if I was belittling you or insulting you.
Interesting point health. I always assume that (even though it’s always best to be nice) things like embarrassing someone wouldn’t apply in an anonymous internet forum. Maybe if people know who you are it would. I have to think about that.
That aside, I never once intended or wanted to embarrass you. I wanted to make my point. I apologize if you read something in an offensive manner. I was just trying to impress the way Halacha works and then defended myself when you made things personal. I am just pointing out that you are continuously making judgment calls here for other people. You might think that it wasn’t worth it for someone to become frum if they will have trouble with parts of Bein Adam Lechaveiro. So I ask, in all seriousness, if you honestly believe that they (and therefore K’lal Yisrael and therefore the world) are better off with these people not doing any Mitzvos than with them doing the ones they are?
Once again, who are you to judge what another frum Jew does? If there are some people who now keep 612 Mitzvos but can’t be Mikayim Veohavta Leraiacha Kamocha isn’t that better than when they kept nothing? It’s not your judgment call to make if it was worth it for a Jew to be Chozer Bitshuvah. Judaism has far more problems than Ba’alei Teshuvah who for whatever reason you think hate FFBs. It’s not for you to decide who should follow what Halachos. Once again, would you be willing to take the burden of thousands of people’s Aveiros (Beshogeg, granted) for their entire lives on your shoulders? Are you honestly willing to say that the world is better off with that many fewer Mitzvos being done because (in your mind) it will help “frum” society somehow?
Health: Chas Veshalom! How dare you say such a thing? How would you like it if all of the Avonos of those who weren’t allowed to be chozer Bitshuvah were held on your head in such a system? We should thank HKBH every single say that there are so many Ba’alei Teshuvah nowadays after what the trends had been like for the previous 200 years.
I haven’t checked these Blatt but the Artscrolls usually have good pictures when they’re necessary to understand the Gemara.
Health: What right do you have to insult my parents? I don’t think defending the chain of Halacha and our Mesorah counts as being Chutzpa’dik or brought up incorrectly. And I have never claimed here to have learned in YU. But it’s nice of you to slander an institution as teaching their Bochurim improper middos just because you want to.
Learning Chassidus on your own without someone with a Mesorah in it to teach it to you can be dangerous. Also, growing a beard and peyos have nothing to do with learning Chassidus.
Health: A mefurash Diyuk from what? Rabbi Tatz? Rabbi Tatz is amazing but is far from a Halachic source. You have brought no proofs here. I just read through every post of yours on this thread. Your one proof, that Arvus doesn’t apply to someone who’s not Frum (which you didn’t bring a proof for either, by the way) has already been disproven when regarding someone who grew up not frum. And I apologize if I offended you. I don’t think I’m being Chutzpa’dik in pointing out that, in this thread at least, you appear to be superimposing your own expectations of what Halacha should be over the actual Halacha. Doing so is a serious problem in Yiddishkeit at the moment (on both ends of the “political” spectrum) and should never be done.
Health: Ain Zu Darka Shel Torah. You cannot come with a conclusion in mind and re-work sources to fit that conclusion. You have to have proofs that there is no Chiyuv to be Mekarev. When your proof is discarded then you are wrong if you cannot find another proof. You cannot just assume that you are right and that there must be another proof out there somewhere. I’m sorry that you experience with Ba’alei Teshuvah has not worked out well for you (honestly, mine hasn’t either; it takes a huge emotional toll to actually be Mekarev someone) but that doesn’t mean that you can therefore make a Halachic statement with no support.
Of course, it should be Lifnei Iver (or at least helping someone commit a sin-Misaya Yedei Ovrei Aveirah).
Optimusprime: I don’t get you. The vast majority of posts I have seen from you so far were just short one-liners spouting super right-wing unsubstantiated “party lines”. Now you brought up a short one-line super left-wing “party line’. Which one is it?
Akuperma: You should be very careful. The earliest Zman for Tallis and Tefillin is Misheyakir, which we assume is more than just a few minutes after Chatzos (well, I don’t, but standard Chumra-ordaining Zmanim websites do). You should ask a Shaila (if you haven’t already) to make sure that you can wear Tefillin at a time when you will be Yotzei.
That Gemara in Pesachim is clearly not meant to be taken literally as the most important Halachic ideas were left off of that list and nothing mentioned above it is Paskened (though see the Ben Yehoyada there for an amazing Lema’aseh P’shat of what Lenochro Beyom Hakippurim Shechal Lihyos Beshabbas means). I would assume from context that Am Ha’aretz in that Gemara means someone who is anti-religious. See the Rambam in Perek 11 of Hilchos Eidus where he defines Am Ha’aretz from that Gemara as someone who we can assume doesn’t keep Halacha (because we have seen that he is not learned and because he does not have proper Derech Eretz).
There is only one major concept for which being an Am Ha’aretz is relevant (well, two). The main one is that Amei Ha’aretz are considered T’mai’im for certain things. The second is for Terumos and Ma’asros.
Interestingly enough, I was listening to Rav Schachter’s shiur online last night right after reading this thread. (Mods don’t let links to YUTorah, but it’s titled Shiur #21-Yevamos-Chazara under R’ Schachter.) He quotes that some people still hold that we are all Amei Ha’aretz Bizman Hazeh (because no one accepted to become a Chaver in front of 3 Chaverim) and that he was once by a Rosh Yeshivah in E”Y who wouldn’t give him anything that needed Terumos and Ma’asros taken off because no one can trust anyone else Bizman Hazeh for Terumos and Ma’asros.
So that it would be read as a question and not a statement. Also, I’m being entirely facetious (sort of).
The 2 in my name is actually meant to be read as a question mark.
GAW: And what do Chazal talk about an Am Ha’aretz in regards to usually? (And yes, I’m assuming that Bechol Makom means most places, not everywhere.)
Syag: Hal’vai that the people who cause trouble posted here instead.
I’m just curious, how strong does the magnifying glass have to be?
Cherrybim: There is clearly a difference between spending Tzedaka money on drugs and spending it on more or fancier food than necessary.
GAW: I’m pretty sure that Gemara is only talking in regards to Tumah Vetahara.
At least since it’s a girl marrying a Goy the kids will be Jewish.
Every person has to decide what’s right for them. If you are physically/emotionally capable of remaining close to such people then it is a great thing if you can keep their connection to Yiddishkeit. But if it harms you (either spiritually or emotionally) then maybe you need to consider not being in contact with such people anymore. You can’t live your friends’ lives for them. All you can do is be there as a support and hope that they eventually return. But a support that it itself bends or breaks does no one any good. From your post it sounds like maybe it’s not your Tafkid to do Kiruv like this. Do whatever you can but be conscious of your own limits. If you try and break your own emotional limits, even though you have the very best intentions at heart, you might end up harming yourself more than you help anyone else.
OTD is a silly term people use to define those who are becoming not frum. Why not just say “not Shomer Halacha” (meaning all of Halacha; both the Mechalel Shabbos and the Ganav are not Shomer Halacha)?
Health: Bring a source please that Kol Yisrael Areivim does not apply to someone who isn’t frum. And even then please bring a source that it wouldn’t apply to a Tinok Shenishba as opposed to someone who left on his own.
Sam4: I agree with everything you said. Unfortunately, when someone earlier mentioned it as a “Mitzvah” they did not mean to say it in the same way as the Mishnah Berurah did. I am in no way finding any fault with the MB here, I am just saying that he was not perfectly Medakdek with his phraseology, probably because he didn’t need to be. At some point the word “Mitzvah” has become so blurred to the general populace that it has lost all meaning and can actually imply far too many, sometimes contradictory, things.
Am Ha’aretz means different things in different situations. Colloquially it generally means someone who does not know so much Torah/Halacha.
Sam4: I think I made my reason very clear why we should, in general, be much more careful about using more precise terms. You have to agree with me that it’s absurd to consider that the discussion of Mitzvos Tzrichos Kavana would ever pertain to Melava Malka, right? It’s a “Mitzvah” the same way following everything in the Shulchan Aruch is a “Mitzvah”. But we need to be much more precise as to what type of “Mitzvah” something is so that we can understand exactly what doing it entails.
Minyan gal: I only mentioned Torah-observant because I believe there are some who claim that there is no Mitzvah of Tzedaka by someone who isn’t Shomer Halacha.
Sam4: What is the “Mitzvah” of Melava Malka? It’s ridiculous to say that. People misuse the word “Mitzvah” whenever a Halacha is brought down in the S”A. Now we actually have someone asking if the Machlokes of Mitzvos Tzrichos Kavanah applies to Melava Malka. It’s ridiculous. It’s not a Mitzvah in that sense.
One should learn so that he can hear the words. Some have an idea to say that if you are reading out of a Sefer and only reading with your eyes but not saying the words that you are only Yotzei Hirhur Talmud Torah and not Limud Talmus Torah. This opinion makes little sense as it would imply that one does not have to make a Birchas Hatorah on just reading from a Sefer or that one could learn from a Sefer without mouthing the words on Tishah B’av/during Aveilus. I also heard someone ask Rav Schachter this and he said that it is just as complete a Mitzvah if you are reading from a Sefer without saying the words out loud.
It’s a Machlokes in the Rishonim and a dispute between the Machshava Acharonim whether a case can exist where HKBH puts you in a situation where your Nisayon it to commit an Aveirah in the minimal way rather than a worse one. I believe I have a proof from the Halachic Seforim that we Pasken that it can exist, though I highly doubt such a case would be considered appropriate by the mods for me to write.
ARWSF: Is his hair and eye color important for painting an accurate picture? I apologize if I’m being offensive here, but it greatly bothers me when people imply that being Chareidi or not-Chareidi can have a Halachic Nafka Mina sometimes. IMO, it’s an absolutely terrible mindset and does no one any good. The only relevant facts in this case is that he is a Torah-observant Jew (who obviously has some issues with certain Ta’avos). Once again, I apologize if I’m coming off as rude.
Usa-tralian: If it is only identifiable as an insect by use of a magnifying glass and only looks like a speck of dirt to the naked eye then according to most (maybe even all) opinions it’s not Assur. You should definitely ask a Shaila before ever using a magnifying glass.
Melava Malka is not a Mitzvah (see my rant a week or so ago about properly using terms). It’s a Metzius that comes from meals eaten on Motza’ei Shabbos. You are Yotzei that even if you had no intention whatsoever.
Obaminator: It’s a huge Machlokes throughout the Gemara.
Scissors: Why the need to mention that he is Heimish/Chareidi? Who cares? Should that have any bearing on this case? He’s a Jew who’s an addict. That should be the discussion. Why is the background relevant if not to inspire pity/contempt from those who are Chareidi/not Chareidi respectively?
I’m sorry, but that is a terrible suggestion. Why would you get worse stuff? The goal is not to find bugs, it’s to make sure the food has no bugs. Buying low-grade stuff just increases the chances that a bug gets past you.