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LOL! I can count on one finger the times we agreed.
WIY
“I’m way too intense for her”
WAY. Is the key word.
And I do often find myself questioning how sincere you actually are.
WIY
I try to inject humor into our religion, lighten up…
BPT/blinky
Unfortunately for you two, I’m pretty sure about this one.
blinky
Dont harp on the “pretty”!
(Not to minimize your struggle or anything…)
But I dont think that you are gonna get a demerit if you dont stuff your ears with cotton balls every time you walk into a store that is playing a song you once liked.
Watch enough Food Network shows and you’ll be good to go.
Ragu is simply an Italian name for a meat-based sauce, which is normally served over pasta. Authentic Italians will call it ragu alla bolognese, others call it simply a Bolognese sauce (Pasta Bolognese)
WIY
Oh dont worry I’m not down on myself. I’m just saying that I dont qualify for the Cold Turkey star… I guess.
BPT
Not a massive Hendrix fan.
(or Malky Giniger for that matter)
WIY
Yes and no (is that possible?)
I was very being very good. But then one day I had a really long drive and there were no Jewish CDs in the car so after listening to some boring talk radio I flipped to a music station. BUT that was the only time :-/
80
LOL. Typo, prolly should say creamer.
Mods didnt like the song playing in my head 🙁
BPT
As with everything… Its the inside that counts.
BPT
Did you see the new Ferrari California? its the first Ferrari Gran Turismo with a mid-front 8-cyl engine. Hello!
I didnt read through the whole thread so I apologize if I’m repeating….
Why not go somewhere else in the Midwest? Clevelend, Detroit… Its a shorter trip and L-rd knows they are cheap!
This train is officially derailed and running down a hill…. FAST!
WIY
Maybe you picked up on the dripping sarcasm?
WIY
My world is VERY exciting, youd love it 😉
WiseWoman
“ill never forget one person agirl i was friends with who said she hated that they had no money. she said dont tell my husband”
Again, that was HER choice, and SHE was making that decision. Why that is the husbands fault, IDK.
Anyone else feel like we are going in circles here?
WIY
“Are you having an identity crisis and confusing yourself with me?”
Oh heck no! 😛
WIY
Umm, you completely missed the point on my post.
WiseWoman
Choice B of my previous post was an attempt at being Don Lekaf Zechus. You do realize when a couple gets married the wife KNOWS that her husband is going to learn, and they are are on the same page about the life they want to lead, genuine or not, correct? No surprises there. I’m not sure why you are making the wives into the victims. They wanted the lifestyle as well, they are not being held hostage to something they didnt sign up for.
WIY
“It should probably bother me that you agree with me, maybe Im wrong… “
…Or maybe for the first time in your life you are right on something 😀
No need to thank me, think of it as a community service.
WiseWoman
That can be as a result to a number of factors:
A. You are so closed off to the idea of a learner being a mentsch you refuse to see it even if it hit you square in the face.
B. You live somewhere that has NO learners so you are not exposed to them.
C. You are so focused on making a point, you have resorted to making outrageous and irrational not to mention false, claims against a large group of people.
“You want to know how a boy will be a mentch? Watch how he treats his mother. Watch how he helps an old lady cross the street. Watch how he takes the shirt off his back to give it to a cold man. THAT IS A MENTCH!”
Are you saying that not one Learning Boy is capable of this?
minyan
I’m sorry I have to go with WIY on this one (as much as it pains me 😛 )
All addictions are NOT created equal. There are vast differences between alcohol, amphetamine, dopamine, cocaine and tobacco addictions.
Just compare the side effects of cocaine and tobacco and you’ll see they arent even on the same playing field. For starters, one of the side effects of cocaine is addiction! You cant be a “casual junkie” yet, you CAN be a “casual smoker” without an addiction.
WIY
“I firmly believe the system is abused and lends itself to abuse.”
Then hate the game not the players… thats what I do 😀
WIY
I never commented on Middos one way or the other. Middos arent mutually exclusive to Kollel or the workplace, they are to the individual, and that is where unfortunately the lines are being blurred.
You cannot hold an institution accountable for the individual and vice versa. If you dont agree with the concept of “Kollel” thats fine, but why make assumptions about everyone IN Kollel because you dont agree with their way of life?
Why do you think the prejudice stands that there arent any “Good Solid Frum Working Boys”? Because those in Kollel, assume (just like you) XY & Z about Working Boys. You dont like it, so why do it to others?
WIY
“Its an addiction but not in the same league as hard drugs”
I believe I mentioned that….
“To tell you the truth, what hurts me the most is to see young Jewish boys smoking. Young teenagers. There’s way too much smoking going on in our yeshivos.”
Does it hurt you based on your experience or because you feel that now that you stopped you have the right to judge?
If you stopped 8 years ago and you are in your low-md 20’s higher mathematics should put you at around 26. If you were 18, you were ::probably:: still in Yeshiva. So why are these boys different than you?
Let them smoke, let them wake up and realize they are idiots, and let them stop. Smoking isnt one of those issues where you can punish someone until they stop. They need to come to the realization on their own.
WIY
At $50-60 a gram for cocaine, price really isnt the issue for an addict. They beg, cheat, steal if need be in order to get their next fix. (I realize a hard drugs are more severe than nicotine)
I dont think any parent is giving their teenage son money for cigarettes. Most likely they pool their cash a split a pack. I highly doubt a teenage kid has a pack-a-day habit.
WiseWoman
If thats the way you fell then thats the way you feel.
I just feel sorry for you that you have closed yourself off completely to new ideas and concepts.
As they say…
I agree w Betzalel. The Government doesnt want to eliminate smoking they just want to manage the “problem”. Its Capitalism at its finest.
WIY
If you triple the price it wouldnt make a difference to those who are truly addicted. Yes, you would get a couple thousand people to stop (ok, maybe thats a victory) but you wouldnt eliminate smoking altogether. An addict is an addict.
WiseWoman
I’m happy for you that you found your husband and that you are (seemingly) happy. That being said.
“I can stand all those people that sit and learn all day and then complain they are too tired to take care of their wives and children and have to go to sleep. I also cant stand it when they are learning all day to do this mitzvah and that one and they treat their wives like garbage or even worse!”
I’m not sure why you feel the need to put down others and hurl baseless and meaningless accusations. Does this make you feel better about your husband, about your marriage?
I for one am not looking for a “long term learner”, but I dont go around putting down the Kollel life style either. If its not for you then its not for you.
“We go and give Chanukah gifts which is a Christmas concept stolen from the non Jews.”
Maybe the Christians stole the concept of giving from us?
ainohd
I want one!
WIY
When people find themselves in the same situation they usually can find common ground. Does this mean they have to be best friends? No, but areas they can agree on? Yes.
addicted
Must be such a secret, even I dont know about it 😉
addicted
Single Frum female girls?
Yea, we have more than youd care to admit in common.
addicted
LOL. I find it interesting that just because we dont agree on a certain situation you think that we wouldnt agree on anything else. I would venture to say that we probably agree on many things.
If you want to argue ostentatiousness, thats all well and good.
Just dont do it under the heading of Tznius.
addicted
Which is all encompassing in my definition.
I agree with you it is indeed a two way street.
popa
Why are you under the impression EVERYONE is dating boys from Lakewood?
frumlady
It was a hilarious (pathetic?) statement to make in the first place.
SZ
I would argue the opposite. Someone who doesnt feel the need to “act and dress” Yeshivish but hashkafically is close to or on par with the Yeshivish mentality.
addicted
Take a step back, and re-read your posts. Just because we disagree on a different issue, doesnt mean I have a personal vendetta against you. When someone cant separate themselves emotionally and intellectually, they are being close minded and doing themselves a disservice from learning from those around them.
Additionally, I never claimed to coin the phrase. If you’ll re-read my previous post, all I said is I take the liberty of putting the word modern in front of Yeshivish. Meaning, that I can alter being from one category and now belong in another category. Also, you will note that the OP’s question is What Does Yeshivish Mean? All I did was answer it according to my definition, no need to make it personal.
ramat
The world you describe is wonderful… yet, fantastical. Wouldnt it be great if we could all get married based on the p’nimius of a person? I mean the outside doesnt matter. Why dont we talk on the phone 3 times and then get married?
addicted
“Why is it showing individuality if every single boy is either wearing one or pining for one”
In which case they are saying they are followers. Besides, that wasnt the point at all.
“Ferragamo belts look pretty much the same”
Pretty much… knock off.
WIY
Please dont put words into my mouth. I have no problem with Yeshivish people. I have a problem with the “system”, if you cant differentiate that, thats your problem not mine.
addicted
I believe its the narrow minded people such as yourself that focus on the minutia rather than the whole person that gets to me. Any other questions?
WIY
Which is why I took the liberty of placing a “modern” and put it before “Yeshivish” and now I have my own neat little category, so no one is offended.
RE: Ferragamo Belts. 97% of them are knock offs. Another thing, belts, shoes, ties, socks are the one way Yeshiva guys can express their individuality whilst still being “black & white” if that makes them happy, why not indulge them? Why does this have to be a big deal?
addicted
I thank you for making my point.
myfriend
Please let me know where I can send the check now that you appointed yourself my spokesperson.
I am not anti-Yeshivish. Hey, if it works for you, knock yourself out. Personally, I think all the “shtick” that has unfortunately become a part of “being Yeshivish” is what turned me off of the idea all together. I am not interested in being associated with an elitist “club” where if you show an iota of individuality, they have a name for you, you are branded and arent accepted. I believe most of my hashkafos are rooted in that of “Yeshivish” I just do away with all the pretenses.
That is what Modern Yeshivish means to me.
addicted
“I most definitely would not pick them, although their bank statements will undoubtedly prove that they actually are the most wealthy. This is because they are not out to prove anything”
This is because they have CLASS. When someone has Tommy Hilfiger’s signature splashed across their chest yes they want everyone to see. Just because you dont see the label, doesnt mean it isnt there.
“But I get the most pleasure when I find great deals, and see how much I’ve saved by waiting for the sale, or shopping in the outlet”
I think the OP’s original beef was with Labels in general. Waiting for a sale? Going to the outlet? That IS usually saved for DESIGNER clothing, that you would otherwise be unable to afford, correct?
myfriend
Means that they can think for themselves.
addicted
The day you can honestly tell me you dont feel good coming back from a “successful” shopping spree, is the day that I will take all the “holier than thou” rhetoric to heart.
I’m with bombmaniac (although maybe slightly modified) Its so easy to point and scream about how bad something is when you arent the person in that situation. This is NOT a tznius problem. If someone feels like maxing out their credit cards so they can buy the newest Fendi purse, I hate to break it to you, Its really none of your business.
WIY
My issue was with you using the word “most”. No doubt there are people who live their lives not “lishma”, to say that “most” people are THAT shallow…. shows in what regard you hold the Frum community. Sad.