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If you plan on looking into Elizabeth, you have to look into Edison.
See my above post about the place. It definitely is the place to be!
I personally have heard amazing things about Edison, NJ.
The community has a very nice out of town feel, and still is
only 45 minutes from the city, Brooklyn, and Lakewood. You get the benefits of both!
They have all types of Jews there from Yeshivish to Modern and they all get along very nicely. They have a “Yeshivish” elementary school which is probably along the lines of what you are looking for.
They have a Bais Yaakov in Edison and the Edison Yeshiva. If the Yeshiva is too Yeshivish for you then there are places within driving distances to commute too or your son can dorm in a NY Yeshiva and come home whenever you need him too.
They have a decent number of restaurants and if you really need more (which it seems you don’t) there are plenty within a reasonable driving distance.
As an extra bonus it’s located in NJ where gas is much cheaper then many other places and they fill up for you!
It is definitely a community I would seriously look into.
Mod- He probably didn’t feel it was worth it for him to make his elderly mother get up and switch seats with him.
There could be numerous reasons that JetBlue did not allow him to move. I’ll give you one issue and that is weight of the plane. You are not allowed to just change seats since they need a certain amount of weight on both sides of the plane. Usually it’s not a problem, but I have been on planes that it has been. Just because this fellow has a religious problem, they can’t just change things. Also, it is completely normal procedure of airlines to throw people off if they are not listening and causing trouble.
The security violation you mention is actually not one. The violation is leaving people on an AIRPLANE for 3 hours not in the airport.
JetBlue happens to be the most respectful of all airlines when it comes to Jewish issues and customs. There are countless stories of them allowing minyanim on planes which other airlines will not. All the food they serve is certified kosher.
Why didn’t this individual book seats together with his parents in the first place if he was worried about his parents and sitting next to women? JetBlue even allows you to pick your seats and change them free online without any charge. Why didn’t he just do that?
All I know is many yeshivos are closing because of it including BMG. If the Gedolim feel that this is the proper thing to do and more important than learning then how can one not go?
Health- I definitely hear where you are coming from and your point. They definitely should do more things about smoking etc. They are spending $3 million on trying to solve one issue in the frum community when that money could be put to much better and more uses. A nice amount of that money is probably being spent on just security for the Asifa alone.
eman- Why don’t you tell that to R’ Matisyahu Salamon who thought of this idea?
zahavasdad- Just out of curiosity, where did you get your information from about R’ Dovid Feinstein, R’ Shmuel Kamenetzky, and the Satmar Rebbe?
Health- I believe you. Now we can just be friends.
It is free if you get it through a Yeshiva I believe.
Is it assigned seating?
In terms of being motzi laz on you, the statement you brought was exactly my point.
“How could you call something good when they just had an article promoting Alcoholism?”
You are telling people how can they call the magazine good if they promoting Alcoholism when in reality the magazine never did. You never read the article so did not realize this.
“And why not? Everytime you go on the Net you are Oiver an Issur – obviously acc. to you – you are also Oiver an Issur everytime you light up or drink -not for a Mtzva.”
Gedolim say that when you are on the internet alone it’s a Yichud problem. People are looking at innapropriate pictures, marriages are broken, it has led to eishes eish problems, people go off the derech, gambling, and many other problems which I would not like to write out. It could lead to very severe issurim which are much greater than smoking and drinking. Every single Yid is immune to this.
You can drink once in a while and it is not a problem. If done in the right way with the right amount it is fine and could even be beneficial to you. I do not believe you are oiver anything if you drink not for a Mitzvah (unless you take it to far), but I may be wrong. A lot of the drinking problems come anyway because it was started for a Mitzvah. Usually the problems are started at weddings (which guys do because they want to be mesameach the chosson and kallah more but gets taken to far), shalom zachors (which is probably not a Mitzvah to drink at but for some reason as become a “minhag” and I would agree with you should be stopped), Purim (Yes, if done properly is a Mitzvah), etc.
Smoking, yes, is probably an issur of ushemardem ul es nafshoshechem, but again I do not believe it is as bad an issur as arayos, etc.
“Really – not the impression I get? Most Yeshivos will throw out if you have the Net, but not if you smoke or drink.”
I actually do not believe that is the case. Most Yeshivos will not throw you out because of internet. More Yeshivos I think will throw you out for smoking then internet. Many bochrim have smartphones, blackberrys, etc. which all have internet and they are still in Yeshiva.
“Any Statistics to back this up? I’m assuming when you write Jews you mean Frum ones.”
No, I do not have statistics but I think anyone will tell you that. Most people have internet either at home, on their phone, work, etc. The ones with drinking and smoking problems are mainly Yeshiva bochrim. And yes, I mean frum Jews.
“And these people who support these mags think that the Internet is the only thing where you are being exposed to bad things. Why isn’t there an Asifa against Alcoholism & the mags that promote it? I know they would never have an Asifa against smoking – that they could never do -it wouldn’t be PC!”
I just didn”t get why you are speaking about the magazines when you refer to the Asifah. They are just promoting what the Gedolim said. The person behind the Asifah was someone named R’ Matisyahu Salamon not any editor of a magazine. If you have a problem then speak to him or the other Gedolim.
“Stop with they would do it but they have to pick something first because smoking has been around a lot longer than any internet and if they wanted to make an Asifa – they had ample opportunity way beforehand.”
Maybe R’ Matisyahu Salamon or someone else didn’t think of the idea until now? Once they thought of it, they decided to pick the problem that is affecting the entire Jewish community as oppossed to something that mainly targets bochrim.
The internet is also something that is a very tricky area because people need it for numerous things and the world runs by the it nowadays. Smoking and drinking no one needs. As many times as you tell guys to stop and no matter what way you do it, the people who don’t want to listen will not. Many people will listen to putting on a filter if they realize the damage it could do to them without sacrificing the good things that the internet provides them with.
There will be seating for women.
Wearing white shirts always started from the Chasidim. White shirts on Shabbos were always considered a sign of extra kavod and still are so that’s why we wear them. Jackets are too were always considered a sign of kavod and still are. Hats were always a sign of kavod until Mr. John F. Kennedy came along and threw his hat off.
Health- You did not say that you did not read the article in your first post. You only stated that later after everyone was bashing you. This is how Lashon Hara starts. You tried sspreading Laz about Mishpacha based purely on secondhand information. Please do not do this in the future.
They are making an Asifa against internet because that is becoming a major destruction to Klal Yisrael in both terms of gashmiyus and ruchniyus. Many people still do not believe it is that bad to have internet and are not convinced that it will be damaging to them. It could damage anyone, even the guy who learns the most and has the best middos.
The other things you mentioned are definitely a problem, but are not as bad. Most people understand that drinking and smoking are bad. The majority of Jews have internet, and I believe only a minority smoke or have drinking problems. Anyway, maybe they will do something major like an Asifa about the other problems if they see that this will work. You cannot work on everything at once. One thing at a time. If they would’ve picked alcoholism then you would have got upset that they weren’t doing smoking or the internet. Just understand that the Gedolim are doing their best to combat this menuvaldika American society as best as they can.
Where’s the story? I thought the winners haven’t come forward yet.
I have collected for my Yeshiva for 4 years. Every year I have gone for about 6 days. I have made between $4000-$6500 every year in out-of-town communities. I have gone with one other bochur each time. A businessman would never give me that kind of money in 6 days.
I enjoyed it tremendously and it was a real positive experience. I was able to give so many different people the zchus of supporting my yeshiva. I have gotten from between 150-200 people each year. If I worked for one or 2 other businessmen then I would never have been able to give so many different people a zchus. When you meet with different people, you get to tell them all about your Yeshiva and they get to know much more about your Yeshiva. They also see the great impression that you have made on them and it makes the Yeshiva look good and they become very impressed with the Yeshiva.
The reason Yeshivos do it is either because a) the bochrim need to pay up their tuition b)to feel a sense of achrayus and hakaras hatov to their Yeshiva or c)for the chinuch of it.
It really shows you how people on the other side of the door feel. You get a new appreciation of what meshulachim and your rebbeim go through.
It is only 6 days, bochrim could be home in plenty of time before Pesach to help their mothers. They usually get off around Rosh Chodesh.
To the person who mentioned that gaavah is a problem when bochrim do well at fundraising, I apologize, that just doesn’t make any sense. Should a bochur not learn because it might lead to gaavah? Should he not help his mother, because maybe he’s helping his mother more than his siblings and other friends and it will lead to gaavah? Sorry, but gaavah is not an excuse for not doing a mitzvah.
I would just like to point out that I do not have any special people skills or good talents for fundraising.