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You still didn’t answer any of my questions including the significance of the selected 12 stones.

Right but the stones weren’t just randomly selected so they must have had significance aside from just being pretty colors. Also yes the terms you’ve mentioned could be connected to A”Z but the question is if their is any Jewish origin to them as many terms in other religions take root In Judaism which is the kosher manner, such as unicorns, phoenix, black cats and so on. Also didn’t Avraham Avinu send Hagar away with “matanos”? Weren’t the matanos sourced in Judaism? There is also the topic in maseches Shabbos which discusses amulets such as fox tooth for sleep or for keeping awake and many other charms so to speak. Of course there were sages that weren’t fond of the idea but it doesn’t say that it was connected to Avoda Zara does it? And if others turned it into AZ that still doesn’t take away from the original Jewish form which was kosher. Although these things differ from medicinal herbs and such, the question is if someone has a supernatural ailment or something more spiritual, would they need to search for these alternative measures. Also the chakra you bring up isn’t that just the non Jewish version of energy points in the body? We have that in Judaism.

I found a few sources that bring up Jewish sources such as Rabbeinu Bechaya and others. I’ll post the links.
https://www.chabad .org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/3965005/jewish/Twelve-Precious-Jewels.htm

https://www.oremunaenergy .com/blog/healing-with-gemstones-and-minerals-the-jewish-way

https://www.kibitzspot .com/healing-power-of-crystals-and-gemstones/

Not sure about all these sites authenticity but they do provide sources So just focus on the sources they bring not the nonsense if any applies.

But what did the stones signify in a physical sense then?

alwaysask-“> abtibodies might not work for delta variant, whereas the vaccine does.

should we say, the difference is b’dieved v. lehathilah?”

-no, we should just say that its quite the opposite

“It is possible that COVID provides longer protection against same variant, but it seems likely that vaccine provides better protection against variants”

Yserbius and alwaysask, at this point it’s obvious you are either both trolling or just ignorant. First of all the article said that people who had covid likely develop antibodies for most of their life. Second of all noone said you should try to get covid we are discussing if you already had covid after the fact and you now have natural antibodies.
Also you keep going in circles. You are wrong! The CDC admitted the vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against variants and the proof is that there is a huge wave of vaccinated patients with covid and some even serious and they are pushing a third booster. So obviously the vaccine is effective right?

Secondly, the natural antibodies have been lasting for the past year and a half, and apparently DO protect against variants and the proof is that if they didn’t protect, everyone would have gotten reinfected by now.
You keep twisting the facts and manipulating information that at this point it’s getting boring to keep going on circles.

Also on a side note, there is no test to determine variants. They just assume that the people getting sick got the variants. They don’t know for sure. So just keep that in mind.

Here’s a link from health line which is a known medical site giving sources for natural antibody immunity and that reinfection remains rare and if reinfected it tends to be mild.

https://www. healthline.com/health-news/can-you-get-delta-variant-if-you-already-had-covid-19

Here is another article saying how natural antibodies are likely to be developed for life.
“Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-19”
https://www .nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

Again of course there are always exceptions to generalizations. So if you choose to vaccinate that’s fine. But stop forcing others especially those with natural immunity and twisting the facts by saying the natural immunity is basically worthless when in fact it’s superior to all the vaccines to date.

You wanted sources, you got them. And I have no shortage of sources.

You do realize that reinfection remains a rarity right?

Idk where you guys get your studies from. If the vaccine was so effective they wouldn’t be giving 3 shots of it and counting. They keep saying it’s NOT effective against variants and vaccinated are still getting infected and transmitting so who are you to say otherwise?

And those who got reinfected, first of all the medical organizations constantly say its a rarity as of now, second of all you don’t know if that person got infected with COVID-19 or a combination of something else. Also, it’s possible that for some people the immunity doesn’t last as long or even did not gain antibodies in the first place. You are using 1 isolated case against the millions who have had covid and did NOT get reinfected. Is reinfection possible? It seems that it could be but very rare. Again if it was common, how do you explain the millions who have had COVID-19, did not get vaccinated, and have not gotten reinfected including with all the variants up until now? Common sense would dictate that there would have been a whole resurgence of reinfections by now if natural antibodies weren’t holding up or weren’t effective against the variants.

Those of you who keep saying the vaccine Is effective against variants and lasts longer than natural antibodies. This is the complete opposite of what the CDC is saying. They won’t admit anything about natural antibodies but they do keep saying the vaccine only lasts about 3-6 months and is not effective against variants. Even Israel reduced the effectiveness estimate from 97% to around 65%.

This is why you are seeing a 3rd booster shot going around since the vaccine is so “effective”. Don’t forget that they said you will need booster shots your whole life.
We don’t know how long the natural antibodies will last. But as of now they are lasting longer than any vaccine and are effective against variants. So stop twisting the facts. Do some research about how antibodies work. I saw an article of a doctor explaining that even when antibodies go down there is memory in the cells that know to fight and resist the virus, since thats how natural immunity works.
But keep spreading your propaganda. Did I say you should willingly go and be close to someone who has COVID-19? No of course you should be careful and not test your immunity. But to force everyone to take a potentially dangerous and non effective vaccine especially if they have natural antibodies goes against all scientific facts.

Rev eliezer actually you got that confused. Antibodies DO work for delta, whereas the vaccine might/or rather the vaccine does not since the CDC already confirmed that.

And where do you get this false information! From the medias propagandist narrative? Just use common sense if antibodies weren’t holding up there would have been a covid 2020 surge all over again because everyone would have gotten reinfected.

The trick is whenever they mention unvaccinated people getting the virus they are clever to know that people will confuse that with all unvaccinated including those who were already infected and have antibodies. But really it’s those who never got a vaccine or exposed to virus.
Aside for the fact that they keep saying that vaccinated are also getting infected and spreading so how are people so gullible to ignore this? They are admitting it but the blind sheep go to the slaughter.

Alwaysask” Say, you are working in a nursing home – would you still not do anything? test? mask?”

Working in a nursing home is different than being allowed to carry on with your life in society. Yes in a nursing home possibly you should get tested to make sure you dont expose elderly to the virus. And if you want to wear a mask make sure its at least an N95 or higher if you want it to actually have a chance of preventing anything because anything less is pretty much useless.

How come they never did this with the flu btw? To mandate that everyone gets the vaccine?

Jack why do you find it appalling? I know many frum who feel that having to be labeled and singled out for not getting a vaccine is very similar to what was happening in Germany before the Holocaust. There are even Rabbis who have put out videos discussing these dangers and parables to how things started there lehavdil. I don’t see what’s so offensive about that. I am comparing the similarities of escalation toward historical disaster.

Oh and if you are so offended, don’t forget that in Germany it didn’t start with the Jews. It was a generalization of peoples and then narrowed down on to the Jewish people. It always ends up with the Jews so just keep that in mind when you advocate for unvaccinated people to be distinguished by wearing something that shows everyone that they are different and “diseased”, yes similar to the yellow JUDE star!

And if you think that’s bizarre and offensive, don’t forget that here in America in modern 2020 there were open air ghetto “red zones” with nonstop media coverage of how the virus is out of control due to Jews, and don’t forget how the media tried to pin down a Jew as “patient zero” since he was the first who was publicized for going to the hospital. They kept saying how the virus spread in NYC due to him and published his picture and mapped out his neighborhood. So in a time where anti semitism is unbashfully spoken, yes it is concerning of what could happen with a totalitarian government and brainwashed people.

Not comparing the Holocaust to wearing a mask I’m comparing the process of brainwashing the masses and spreading propaganda which lead to things such as the Holocaust, communism, and other atrocities against humanity. I didn’t say wearing a mask is the same as when Jews were sent to gas chambers so don’t manipulate my words all of you!

And if you are ok with dividing people into tiers for simply living in society then you should self reflect on yourself , not others. Because all of us will have to suffer due to you. Just like in the beginning the government said Stores aren’t obligated to have a mask policy, all the liberal thinkers decided to make it their store policy and all the people who went along with it made it become mandatory since the government saw how easy it is to make mandates for people to willingly follow. So look how far we’ve gone in about a year. We went from non mandatory mask wearing in stores, to mandatory proof of being innoculated in order to enter an indoor establishment. All because of people like you who are ruining life for others.

You want to wear a mask go ahead. You want to take a vaccine go ahead. But since when did masks and vaccines start to work only based on what someone else does!? You are openly admitting that the mask and vaccine is not effective in that case!

Interesting how they never said that with flu or any other virus. That the only way to be protected is by what someone else does.

Alwaysask”Fine but what is the solution here long term.”

Dude I just told you what the solution is. And that is fight the illegal totalitarian implementations that the governments are forcing on humanity worldwide. And that means to boycott places which require you show a vaccination card whether you are vaccinated or not. The reason is by doing that it’s still possible to disrupt the flow and break the momentum that they have gained.

Don’t think that it ends with you not being able to go to the gym or dine at a restaurant. This will end with total control and not allowing you to even go buy food. I mapped out how things slowly got more restricted, already they are requiring vaccination passes at museums as well. So ask yourself what’s next and do you really want to have to keep taking shots Everytime they require new ones in order to live in society? What will you do if they start going into people homes like Nazis In the middle of the night and forcefully injecting people or taking them to detention camps since they are a “danger to society”? Will you still believe it’s for the greater good?

It might be difficult to imagine such an extremity as of yet since we trust that we live in the land of the free that adheres to a constitution.
But that’s how these things work it’s a long process in order that people accept it. If it happened overnight no one would be ok with it. And once it does get to the extreme situation and people realize, it’s already too late. The Holocaust happened as well and none believed omething like that could truly happen. But it didn’t happen overnight, the effort started from 1933 with brainwashing propaganda and in 1939 Jews and others were being sent to their deaths.

Also the fact that they don’t even mention or acknowledge natural immunity/antibodies should alarm you. They even tried telling everyone it only lasts 3 months which is so false as the antibodies are still keeping up in people for 1.5 years and running. So it makes you wonder where the science is and why are they pushing the vaccines against scientific facts where people have immunity?

So first it was social distancing indoors. Then it was also social distancing outdoors. Then it was wearing a mask only if you can’t social distance. Then it became wearing a mask regardless of social distancing. Then it was vaccine and can remove mask. Then it’s vaccine and wear mask indoors. Vaccine mandate was only for health care workers. Then it became for city employees as well. Now it’s strongly encouraged that all employers require vaccines. The requirement for vaccine pass was only for gyms indoor dining and bars. Now it’s also for all city museums and indoor venues.

Is it just me or does anyone else see a pattern here? Other than the constant flip flop decisions of Yes mask or no mask needed, there has been a consistent add on of restrictions. It’s only a matter of time when they say you cannot shop for food or live in an apartment building with others without being vaccinated or constantly boostered if you are vaccinated. And everyone is ok with this and going along with it? Those vaccinated who have such pride and think the unvaccinated should be punished and are promoting this new way of life, don’t think you won’t be affected because you will also be forced to keep updating your shots every time they come up with a new one. And believe me they will have many boosters as they already clearly said we will need boosters the rest of our lives. That might be once a year, twice a year or 3 times who knows.

So you are welcoming in this new world for your own ego without even realizing how much it will affect you as well! Everyone should boycott this and hopefully we will still have a chance to save humanity because thats what this is a war on humanity and a battle to save it!

Is everything still a conspiracy btw?

Fine but what is the solution here long term. It’s one thing to be extra cautious for a limited time, but is everyone going to be considered a carrier of covid forever? If both vaccinated and non vaxxed can transfer the virus even without being sick so is the mask going to be part of our dress code? They know and admitted that there is no way to get zero covid in the world so what are they trying to accomplish?

Alwaysask, what antisemitic source did I quote. Of course the biggest problem for Jews to leave Germany was that they had nowhere to go for financial reasons or even legal reason since most countries didn’t allow them in. And it wasnt just Germany it was most of Europe so that made it even more difficult to go anywhere since no one knew where it was safe.

On the other hand there were many who didn’t believe something like that could happen in Germany,and I don’t blame them as the “small” anti semitic incidents were easy to shrug off just like lehavdil we do here in America Things tend to happen in stages. Germany was also good at hiding it such as when they hosted the Olympics and eased off the Jews for a bit so the world wouldn’t become suspicious. Do you actually believe something can happen here in America? Difficult to imagine right? Maybe in these times not as difficult as we see America and the world changing in a way that noone believe possible.

I’m not here to scare anyone at all. Even those who are asleep will wake up once it’s tooate so I can’t really force anyone to realize what’s happening. But we definitely are seeing something develop not only in America but the entire world. The only thing that can be done is to stop it before it’s too late because it won’t end with just the virus. You ask what can you do? Small things like not participating or visiting restaurants and any other venues which requires proof of vaccine whether you are vaccinated or not. It will develop into supermarket checkpoints and other. Not only for unvaccinated but keep in mind they said we will need boosters our entire life so even the vaccinated will be forced to keep getting jabbed with whatever substance they require anytime they need to buy some bread at the grocery.
So unless that’s the future you want, boycott this vaccine passport no matter how privileged it makes you feel because that won’t last. This will evolve into things that will make you forget that it all started due to a virus “for your own safety”. Hence the “new normal” which seems to already have a fanbase.