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  • in reply to: World’s Failure #2003939
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    Airline and supermarket restrictions are coming soon. That’s the most critical travel and food so they will leave that for the last mandates. But it will probably come sooner than we think. The smarter amongst us all saw this coming but we were just labeled conspiracy believers and mocked and laughed at, even yelled at by our closest friends for “being ridiculous” or “trying to scare them”. Noone laughing now and surely won’t be if this goes through.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2003794
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    But you still never answered the questions…

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2003795
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    Prepare for a whole new list of restrictions in the coming month

    in reply to: Comedian in Chief #2003446
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    I’m sure someone is pulling the strings and it’s not Biden. Actually remember when Obama said he wishes he could have a 3rd term through someone else aka behind the scenes? Well, he got it. It seems they are setting the stage for Bidens stepping down and Kamalla taking the mantle. What a joke she ranked lowest in the democrat debates and Tulsi Gabbard absolutely destroyed her on live broadcast.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2003436
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    “But the fact that Hashem chose to command us to use certain gems does not tell us anything about their medicinal properties. ”

    -but it does tell us something and thats what is interesting here. If Avraham Avinu kept a gem on him which had certain properties, and Talmud speaks about other such amulets then there obviously is something to these things. Of course Torah is everything, we live in a physical world where we depend on using physical things as well for our health. Whether physical or spiritual/emotional health.
    What about when Bnei Yisrael had to gaze at the bronze snake to get healed?

    I dont have any agenda smarty pants Yserbius, just interested to find out about this topic since we do see it come up in our seforim. Is the whole case of the fox tooth to sleep/wake up also Avoda Zara according to you?

    Im not saying these gems are a replacement for medical treatments. But maybe for certain spiritual ailments/ayin hara these gems have some properties which Hashem put in them as a certain segula to help heal or ward off negative energy/forces. Im sure there are plenty more sources in Judaism. Also noone answered regarding the matanos that Hagar was sent off with. Wasnt that mystical secrets? Wasnt the source Judaism or at least kosher roots? The fact that they use it for Avoda Zara doesnt change the root of it if the source is kosher.

    For instance you can say what power does a fox tooth have to help you sleep? So what poewer would a stone or gem have? Not exactly power but more property or segula. Thats the topic. Hashem created everything with a purpose.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2003392
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    You still didn’t answer any of my questions including the significance of the selected 12 stones.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2003273
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    “shut up and take the vaccine” exactly.
    That’s because they are all in on it.
    Yes people are waking up but the elites/NWO have the head start since they managed to fool many of us in the beginning. Yes, only Hashem can save us. This is the final war and it’s a war on humanity. Good versus Evil.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2003193
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    Right but the stones weren’t just randomly selected so they must have had significance aside from just being pretty colors. Also yes the terms you’ve mentioned could be connected to A”Z but the question is if their is any Jewish origin to them as many terms in other religions take root In Judaism which is the kosher manner, such as unicorns, phoenix, black cats and so on. Also didn’t Avraham Avinu send Hagar away with “matanos”? Weren’t the matanos sourced in Judaism? There is also the topic in maseches Shabbos which discusses amulets such as fox tooth for sleep or for keeping awake and many other charms so to speak. Of course there were sages that weren’t fond of the idea but it doesn’t say that it was connected to Avoda Zara does it? And if others turned it into AZ that still doesn’t take away from the original Jewish form which was kosher. Although these things differ from medicinal herbs and such, the question is if someone has a supernatural ailment or something more spiritual, would they need to search for these alternative measures. Also the chakra you bring up isn’t that just the non Jewish version of energy points in the body? We have that in Judaism.

    I found a few sources that bring up Jewish sources such as Rabbeinu Bechaya and others. I’ll post the links.
    https://www.chabad .org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/3965005/jewish/Twelve-Precious-Jewels.htm

    https://www.oremunaenergy .com/blog/healing-with-gemstones-and-minerals-the-jewish-way

    https://www.kibitzspot .com/healing-power-of-crystals-and-gemstones/

    Not sure about all these sites authenticity but they do provide sources So just focus on the sources they bring not the nonsense if any applies.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2003237
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    “The scary part is that in spite of these warnings, people don’t listen. Then when it happens, in stead of saying “Wow you were right, maybe we should listen next time” you say “Well I guess that means you caused it””

    -no ubiquitin, the scarier part is that there are people around with your type of mindset. That’s the real scary part. And the whole of us suffer due to your kind.

    2scents”And there I thought the scary part was the broken links on the CDC website…”

    -yup just another coincidence I presume, conveniently where it covers the topic of vaccine trial length and upcoming vaccines. It wasn’t the only site which removed that type of information.

    Philosopher”Bill Gates warnings about viruses and vaccines for years, Fauci in 2017, recorded on video, fortelling that a pandemic will be coming during the Trump administration and we need to be prepared, ”

    – you don’t have to believe your uncle, gates has been talking about it for years you can find video of him saying it, check before it gets removed. Also what you wrote, according to the mindsets of people like ubiquitin and 2scents, you should actually thank them for warning us instead of using your brain and questioning that there are just too many coincidences and “good intentions” going on.

    Also Gates and his depopulation theorists have it all wrong. The world is not overpopulated at all. People are so close minded since they choose to live in crowded cities and think there is no world beyond that. Look at the rest of the 50 states here in America that have super wide spaces for instance a house every 2 miles. You know how many people can live in those areas? Even just going an hour out of NYC to upstate you have so much land that people can inhabit. Even Israel which is a tiny country still has space available. And places like Florida and others have empty vacancies just begging for people to rent. So this overpopulated world theory is so false. If you choose to live in a crowded city that’s your choice. That doesn’t mean you have to kill everyone to make space. If it’s too crowded for you then you can move elsewhere. I even answered this to a liberal who brought up overpopulation and he actually agreed with me when I mentioned it’s only the big cities. These are just evil people.

    The world was fine all the years suddenly pandemics are a problem on a daily basis? I can’t believe people fall for this and say they are just trying to warn us because they care so much to prevent it.

    You do know that Gates was kicked out of India and Africa for introducing/testing vaccines on kids and causing mutations and sterilizing them right? Of course anything you will Google now will either be “debunked” marked as conspiracy or simply removed from history.

    “The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command.”
    George Orwell, 1984

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2003008
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    The scary part is that Bill Gates warns of a new pandemic after COVID-19 which will be much worse and we are not prepared for it. Wow, really? So unleashing covid on the whole world wasn’t enough for him and he couldn’t even wait for the pandemic to be over to announce a new one on the way? What a sadistic creature he and all the elites surrounding him. Here is the YouTube link of him announcing the next pandemic after COVID-19.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2002988
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    “The most effective gemstone for any malady is the placebo stone. But you have to believe in it for it to work.”

    -well there is such a thing as therapy through our senses obviously such as therapy using scents/essential oils that produce a very calming effect and can reduce anxiety and boost mood. Someone here already mentioned that some gems and stones can have a therapeutic calming effect when viewing such as turquoise or others. So at minimum in a way they can help as therapy. The question is if the stones themselves have certain healing properties similar to natural herbs, obviously not by ingesting them : ) since of course Hashem created these natural gems and stones and most natural resources and food have strong properties infused in them whether for healing or good health in general.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2003000
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    Of course the Jews are always used as a scapegoat eventually

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2002973
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    Interesting. But that still doesn’t answer regarding the 12 specifically selected stones that the Cohen gadol wore.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002519
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    Also if you go to the CDC Website and WHO and check out the articles of vaccine phases and trials length, when you click on ore info on both sites you get “error this page has been removed”
    WOW if that doesnt indicate anything to you nothing will. This is truly scary, not only are they manipulating what pages you see by censoring, they are completely removing accessible information from their own websites to eliminate historical research and evidence.
    No words.

    https://www.cdc .gov/vaccines/basics/test-approve.html

    (click here when on website)-For more information and to find out about new vaccines on the horizon, see the World Health Organization’s (WHO’s) Development of New Vaccines web page.

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2002750
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    What about the sources in Talmud and other

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2002639
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    But what did the stones signify in a physical sense then?

    in reply to: Mysterious Gemstones? #2002640
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    From a website
    “The healing capabilities of gemstones are recorded in both the Talmud and Zohar, indicating that Avraham Avinu had a healing stone hung around his neck which he was able to heal people (Talmud Baba Batra 16b).

    Another reference to the hidden energies of gemstones, among many others, is the even tekumah, the ruby (some opinions point to it being carnelian). In Masechet Shabbat (10b) we learn that this gemstone holds within it the ability to safeguard pregnancy and assist women in all feminine areas of life.

    Like other forms of energy medicine, gemstone energy medicine uses the body’s inherent healing force to nourish and heal us in multiple ways. Each type of gemstone embodies a unique energy that can focus and amplify this healing force and produce specific therapeutic effects.

    Gemstone therapies work. Emotional maladies, mental complaints, and acute and chronic illnesses of all kinds have responded to gemstone energy medicine in unprecedented and exciting ways. Great wonder and wisdom will be found in the 12 Choshen stones for purifying surroundings, for wisdom and great wonder; (Zohar, Rebbe Shimon Bar Yochai). ”

    Is any of this true?

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002596
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    Naturally produced antibodies/natural immunity

    First of all it was a lab made virus so let’s not pretend it wasn’t. Secondly if someone already had COVID-19, why would they also want to risk unknown side effects from a spur of the moment vaccine?

    in reply to: balding #2002584
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    Stop using head and shoulders

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002576
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    2scents”Unless there is some sort of time traveling machine that allows us to take a peak at the future, there is no way to know for sure.”

    -my point exactly

    “But we can assume things based on the information we do already have”

    -uh uh stop right there. Since we don’t have a time traveling machine as we have already established, less than a year of trial proves no safety for long term which takes us back to square one.

    “Furthermore, there needs to be a rational to the fear. Otherwise, its baseless fear mongering.”

    -ever heard of the Tuskegee experiment? Ever heard of pills that had been taken off the market years later due to dangerous side effects only discovered…years later?
    Ever heard of FDA approved meds with known dangers but we’re approved anyway?
    Not such baseless fear.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002509
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    historyofvaccines .org/content/articles/vaccine-development-testing-and-regulation

    “Vaccine development is a long, complex process, often lasting 10-15 years and involving a combination of public and private involvement.

    The current system for developing, testing, and regulating vaccines developed during the 20th century as the groups involved standardized their procedures and regulations.”

    –oh wow. how times change overnight

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002508
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    pro vaccine or anti, serious question. Can anyone please just show proof that there are no long term side effects say in the next few years from this vaccine? I think this will be really helpful to know since the vaccine hasnt been tested for 7 years yet.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002223
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    Since you either don’t read or have comprehension issues, I’ll repeat it. Driving a car requires qualification. Performing surgery requires qualifications as well. These things require knowledge, skill, ability to operate machinery, practice and so on. Buying food or going to a restaurant does NOT.
    Let’s put this in Judaism terms maybe you will understand. You can want to be a shochet,a moel,check shatnez or anything else. These things require QUALIFICATIONS. That entails learning, practicing, knowing laws, etc. Noone is saying you cannot learn to become any of these things(you have liberty to choose aka rights) but If you are NOT QUALIFIED, you cannot actually do any of these until you are. That’s very different from being forced to take a vaccine in order to live. Do you realize how foolish your comparison is?

    You asked someone in earlier post how long trials should be. Well generally vaccines are tested for around 7 years to be approved. i know we live in a fast paced world, but we still haven’t figured out a way to fast forward time. People have not even had the vaccine for a year. That is not long term at all.
    We already know the short term injuries, severe side effects and deaths from this vaccine(there should not be any harm or death to someone from a vaccine against a virus that kind of defeats the purpose). Long term can take LONGER. People can develop all types of issues. You asked how can you know it’s from the vaccine? Well the same way we know the short term health disorders that occured from this vaccine. Because if many vaccinated have similar problems, it doesn’t take a genius to figure it out. The fact that they cover it up and say it wasn’t from the vaccine is a different story.

    ‘No. There is no “right to practice mdciine”
    I could be the best doctor in the world. Maybe I was even trained in the top University. If I dont apply for an get a license I cant practice medicine. period. This is not a violation of my rights.
    Both because there is no right to practice medicine AND just apply for a license and practice.”

    -are you arguing against yourself? Who said you have a right to practice medicine. I said you have a right to aspire to practice medicine and once you have the qualifications, you can practice! Of course that entails all the diplomas and necessary licenses which are a matter of money at that point and maybe some minor extra exams. What’s your point? Did you expect to practice medicine without a license? How is this the same as being forced to vaccinate honestly you are making no sense.
    Getting a vaccine is not a qualification.

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002080
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    Number one you are completely ignoring the 1905 Jacobson v Mass which all the pro vaxxers try to bring up, I included this in my post and proved that he wasnt forced to vaccinate at the end and the court case was about paying a fine since he refused the vaccine.

    “1) You are free to buy all the food you could possibly want even if unvaccinated .”

    -Yes for the time being. Did you think they would take that away from you on the first day? We all know where this is going. Take away the luxuries like Dining and Gym,where people can live without but in the meantime get them used to the idea of restrictions so that they can go for the real necessities once the people are conditioned to this.

    ““Driving is not a necessity ”
    1) In my isolated town it is”

    -Then get a drivers license. Last time I checked you said you dont want to get a drivers license because you believe they are all killers.
    Getting a license requires certain knowledge and skill and training. Going to a restaurant or museum or buying food, does not. With your ideology you should also have a right to practice medicine without a license because whats the difference between practicing medicine and going to a restaurant right? Maybe you can also become a surgeon without years of study and practice? No knowledge needed besides for the fact that its your right and that should be good enough for you to perform surgeries.
    You have a right to study whatever you want that doesnt mean you are “Qualified” until you actually are Qualified. Qualification does not equate to freedom to dine out, go to a museum, etc.
    If anything you are proving my point.

    Your second example is even weaker. You have a flawed mindset that you dont need something due to the fact you werent born with it. You also werent born with an endless supply of food in your stomach so maybe you shouldnt ever eat anything?

    You are totally mixing up so many things and drawing for straws. Your last argument is already getting into ethics, morals and a bunch of other topics. That has no comparison to forcing someone to get vaccinated in order to live in society. And yes Deblasio said, “if you want to “PARTICIPATE” in society, you will need to get vaccinated, we will make life very difficult for the unvaccinated”.
    You are aware also that there is no end to the vaccination right? There will be constant booster shots as they have already warned. Aside for the fact that this sets a precedent for any vaccine they will deem necessary for people to get in the future or any other “virus” that shows up.

    Your first example is that you argue that things that require qualification shouldnt, and your second argues against morals and ethics in public. This has nothing to do with the current issue. Totally separate subjects.

    2scents-“Your using the notion of the vaccine being less protective against different strains or variants of the virus has nothing to do with protecting others. ”

    -Actually it does. You are completely ignoring those with natural antibodies which are proving to not only be long lasting, but also protect against variants. Whats your excuse to have them vaccinated when the vaccine does not prevent spread to others or protect against variants? Because that was the only excuse they came out with to require immune people to get vaccinated but im sure they have no shortage of new theories. ALL FOR THE GREATER GOOD!

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2002060
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    @ubiquitin

    Here regarding right to food.
    “The right to food is protected under international human rights and humanitarian law and the correlative state obligations are well-established under international law. The right to food is recognized in article 25 of the Universal Declaration on Human Rights and article 11 of the International Covenant on Economic, Social and Cultural Rights (ICESCR), as well as a plethora of other instruments. Noteworthy is also the recognition of the right to food in numerous national constitutions.”

    ubiquitin-“I asked you this before. what rights? “rights” isnt a magic word that lets you do what you want. For example, there is no right to drive. I live in a small town, there is no food available in walking distance. I did a study and it turns out most drivers who got killed in car accidents had drivers licenses. SO, simple! I refuse to get a drivers license You expect me to carry a death causing card? No way!.

    Yet the state says I am not allowed to drive! Would you believe that? I am basically stuck at home , I cant go to work I cant go get food. What about my rights?

    That is how you sound.”

    -Are you really comparing driving to basic human liberties? First of all in order to operate a car you need knowledge, practice, and skill so of course you will have to obtain a license which entails those 3 things I’ve mentioned. I dont even know how you compare this to anything. The license ID is just the proof that you have gone through that training and are qualified to operate that type of machinery.

    Driving is not a necessity . You can live your whole life without having to drive. Your weak argument holds nothing. There is public transportation, taxis, ride shares, bicycles, walking, friends, etc. And it must be you have the funds for that if on the other hand you would have owned a car. Or is it also your right to be given a car according to your logic?

    There is no scientific evidence that this vaccine prevents others from getting sick. Vaccines work based on the individual who takes it to protect themselves. It has no dependency on others. The CDC even admitted that vaccinated are not protected against variants and are spreading. Also we are seeing that in actuality.

    Besides I gave you the case of Jacobson v Mass. The case wasnt even about getting the vaccine, it was all about the fine that he received for refusing the vaccine and didnt want to pay it. He wasnt fighting to not be force vaccinated and wasnt forced to vaccinate or be shunned from society. As the court said, their is no way to force the vaccine and at worst their will be a fine of $5.

    And nobody said you have a right to do “whatever” you want. A child, this is how you sound.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001986
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    alwaysask-“> abtibodies might not work for delta variant, whereas the vaccine does.

    should we say, the difference is b’dieved v. lehathilah?”

    -no, we should just say that its quite the opposite

    in reply to: World’s Failure #2001969
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    JACOBSON V MASSACHUSETTS

    “As the 20th century began, epidemics of infectious diseases such as smallpox remained a recurrent threat. A Massachusetts statute granted city boards of health the authority to require vaccination “when necessary for public health or safety. In 1902, when smallpox surged in Cambridge, the city’s board of health issued an order pursuant to this authority that required all adults to be vaccinated to halt the disease. The statutory penalty for refusing vaccination was a monetary fine of $5 (about $100 today). There was no provision for actually forcing vaccination on any person.”

    “Henning Jacobson refused vaccination, claiming that he and his son had had bad reactions to earlier vaccinations. The Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court found it unnecessary to worry about any possible harm from vaccination, because no one could actually be forced to be vaccinated: “If a person should deem it important that vaccination should not be performed in his case, and the authorities should think otherwise, it is not in their power to vaccinate him by force, and the worst that could happen to him under the statute would be the payment of $5. Jacobson was fined, and he appealed to the US Supreme Court.”
    -NCBI/NIH/Gov

    Read the last lines carefully, it is NOT in their power to force vaccinate and the WORST that can happen is a fine. He appealed for the fine, he did not have to vaccinate. Doesnt say the worst that can happen is being shunned from society and have all his rights taken away from him.

    Also, alwaysask, you dont own this country so please refrain from giving advice as if you are some sort of ruler. You must love being controlled by others.

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    in reply to: World’s Failure #2001944
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    forget everything about this virus for a second. The fact that the vaccine mandates are already in effect barring people from normal venues, and the fact that they said they have a whole list of mandates once the vaccine gets full approval this week, is completely evident of the biggest scheme to takeover humanity.
    You can blame Trump all you want but the fact is the virus and Government control is happening all over the world not just in America, and last time I checked Trump was President of the U.S. not of the whole world. So obviously there is a bigger picture here.

    Those who got the vaccine, just understand no matter how strongly you believe in the vaccine, understand that letting the governments of the world take away peoples freedoms is a disastrous step to total control. They have slowly taken away peoples liberties, but they are picking up the pace as the days go by. For instance they mandated teachers to get vaccinated but left a choice of getting tested daily which in and of itself is madness, but they are now talking of completely removing that option(and I am sure they will as to set a precedent for everything else).
    Its only a matter of time until the dont let people shop for food or do any basic things in society. This can get as bad as you can imagine. If you say you will just order food online, that can also require proof of vaccination. If you say people will cook food at home, utilities and gas might be dependent on vaccination, or whether you had your boosters every time they are newly announced. You might say that doesnt make sense since you arent near anyone, but they will say the driver cant get near an unvaccinated house. And later on they wont even need an excuse because nothing will need to make sense anymore same as it already has been up until now. People will be so con trolled that they will forget how and why these mandates and “precautions” were even put in place.

    We all called those “crazy loonies” conspiracy theorists for claiming there will be mask mandates, lines outside to enter stores, vaccine mandates, vaccine passports and so on. Turned out they werent too far off, in fact they were spot on. You can call me a conspiracy theorists or accuse me of having a broad imagination, I hope thats all it is. But once they unveil their “list of mandates”, we will all know where we are standing and what we are up against. Again whether you are for or not for the vaccine, taking away basic or even any liberties from civilians should alarm anyone.

    This has gone too far.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001456
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    Yes the discussion is if those who already had covid should get the vaccine. And again, as the vaccines are being proven to not be so effective especially against variants (aside for the side effects both short and long term), then most likely it would be a good idea to avoid them for now especially with antibodies still lasting and being effective against variants. And hopefully if it stays that way, it doesnt make any sense to ever get a vaccine for anyone who is naturally immune.

    And I’m not talking based on any feeling. I was stating a fact that If people with antibodies weren’t protected against reinfection whether variants or not, then almost everyone would have been reinfected by now. But reinfection remains rare and the medical experts are admitting that for now regardless of how much they don’t want to. And hopefully it will stay that way so that people will be immune. Because the situation in the world is getting out of control both by the virus and the governments.

    Hopefully the vaccine will work, but the only issue is that they are forcing unnecessary candidates to take it. That’s the only issue. Also if the vaccine works then it shouldn’t depend on the other. Of course if everyone got vaccinated it would make it “safer”. And if everyone wore a n95 all day every day it would also make it safer. Or if you just depopulate or kill everyone on the planet, that would probably be the safest option because that would reduce the chances of anyone getting sick from anything down to zero.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001423
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    “It is possible that COVID provides longer protection against same variant, but it seems likely that vaccine provides better protection against variants”

    Yserbius and alwaysask, at this point it’s obvious you are either both trolling or just ignorant. First of all the article said that people who had covid likely develop antibodies for most of their life. Second of all noone said you should try to get covid we are discussing if you already had covid after the fact and you now have natural antibodies.
    Also you keep going in circles. You are wrong! The CDC admitted the vaccines do not provide sufficient protection against variants and the proof is that there is a huge wave of vaccinated patients with covid and some even serious and they are pushing a third booster. So obviously the vaccine is effective right?

    Secondly, the natural antibodies have been lasting for the past year and a half, and apparently DO protect against variants and the proof is that if they didn’t protect, everyone would have gotten reinfected by now.
    You keep twisting the facts and manipulating information that at this point it’s getting boring to keep going on circles.

    Also on a side note, there is no test to determine variants. They just assume that the people getting sick got the variants. They don’t know for sure. So just keep that in mind.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001366
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    ok yserbius thats why Israel is having a wave and mostly by vaccinated

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001137
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    Here’s a link from health line which is a known medical site giving sources for natural antibody immunity and that reinfection remains rare and if reinfected it tends to be mild.

    https://www. healthline.com/health-news/can-you-get-delta-variant-if-you-already-had-covid-19

    Here is another article saying how natural antibodies are likely to be developed for life.
    “Many people who have been infected with SARS-CoV-2 will probably make antibodies against the virus for most of their lives. So suggest researchers who have identified long-lived antibody-producing cells in the bone marrow of people who have recovered from COVID-19”
    https://www .nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01442-9

    Again of course there are always exceptions to generalizations. So if you choose to vaccinate that’s fine. But stop forcing others especially those with natural immunity and twisting the facts by saying the natural immunity is basically worthless when in fact it’s superior to all the vaccines to date.

    You wanted sources, you got them. And I have no shortage of sources.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001134
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    I didn’t say it. The CDC you can look at the links.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001089
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    You do realize that reinfection remains a rarity right?

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2001044
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    https://www .reuters. com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/cdc-says-vaccine-protectiveness-slipped-amid-delta-variant-2021-08-18/

    https://www .google. com/amp/s/www.politico.com/amp/news/2021/08/17/cdc-data-booster-shots-505637

    https://www. google. com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2021/08/18/health/cdc-booster-shots.amp.html

    Here I posted sources from politico, new York times, and Washington post stating vaccine effectiveness declining and not effective for variants which is why they keep pushing boosters for whatever reason. Besides you can look it up yourself with a simple google search”vaccine effectiveness”.

    What numbers will I give for natural immunity when they aren’t reporting on them? You can see the numbers of natural immunity by the sheer fact that reinfection still remains rare. Common sense says if antibodies weren’t effective then all those who were infected would have been reinfected by now and you would have seen 2020 all over again. That hasn’t happened and hopefully won’t.

    Also you haven’t shown me numbers of how many people got infected and not been hospitalized. You won’t find it either because those numbers aren’t reported in order to seem they are non existent. Yes people are still getting infected. But getting infected does not mean they died some might have even have a mild cold. But to scale it down imagine 10 people got infected and 1000 did not or got a mild cold but only those 10 infected are reported in the news. Would sure seem like everyone is getting infected wouldn’t it since the others are nonexistent in the narrative. So i dont blame you for falling for the medias agenda.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000997
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    Idk where you guys get your studies from. If the vaccine was so effective they wouldn’t be giving 3 shots of it and counting. They keep saying it’s NOT effective against variants and vaccinated are still getting infected and transmitting so who are you to say otherwise?

    And those who got reinfected, first of all the medical organizations constantly say its a rarity as of now, second of all you don’t know if that person got infected with COVID-19 or a combination of something else. Also, it’s possible that for some people the immunity doesn’t last as long or even did not gain antibodies in the first place. You are using 1 isolated case against the millions who have had covid and did NOT get reinfected. Is reinfection possible? It seems that it could be but very rare. Again if it was common, how do you explain the millions who have had COVID-19, did not get vaccinated, and have not gotten reinfected including with all the variants up until now? Common sense would dictate that there would have been a whole resurgence of reinfections by now if natural antibodies weren’t holding up or weren’t effective against the variants.

    Those of you who keep saying the vaccine Is effective against variants and lasts longer than natural antibodies. This is the complete opposite of what the CDC is saying. They won’t admit anything about natural antibodies but they do keep saying the vaccine only lasts about 3-6 months and is not effective against variants. Even Israel reduced the effectiveness estimate from 97% to around 65%.

    This is why you are seeing a 3rd booster shot going around since the vaccine is so “effective”. Don’t forget that they said you will need booster shots your whole life.
    We don’t know how long the natural antibodies will last. But as of now they are lasting longer than any vaccine and are effective against variants. So stop twisting the facts. Do some research about how antibodies work. I saw an article of a doctor explaining that even when antibodies go down there is memory in the cells that know to fight and resist the virus, since thats how natural immunity works.
    But keep spreading your propaganda. Did I say you should willingly go and be close to someone who has COVID-19? No of course you should be careful and not test your immunity. But to force everyone to take a potentially dangerous and non effective vaccine especially if they have natural antibodies goes against all scientific facts.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000863
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    Yserbius”Are you intentionally avoiding my responses to your questions?”

    -are you intentionally trying to make us laugh with your ignorance? 3 months? Try 18 and months and counting, for many antibodies level even went up. You know it’s kind of scary how many people think like you who just follow blindly whatever the media wants them to believe. Seems like they did a great job brainwashing you.
    I mean honestly do you really just believe anything they say without even using half a brain of your own?

    They even admitted that vaccinated can get infected and can pass it to others. And you still don’t question why they push the vaccine on people if it’s solving so little?

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000834
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    Rev eliezer actually you got that confused. Antibodies DO work for delta, whereas the vaccine might/or rather the vaccine does not since the CDC already confirmed that.

    And where do you get this false information! From the medias propagandist narrative? Just use common sense if antibodies weren’t holding up there would have been a covid 2020 surge all over again because everyone would have gotten reinfected.

    The trick is whenever they mention unvaccinated people getting the virus they are clever to know that people will confuse that with all unvaccinated including those who were already infected and have antibodies. But really it’s those who never got a vaccine or exposed to virus.
    Aside for the fact that they keep saying that vaccinated are also getting infected and spreading so how are people so gullible to ignore this? They are admitting it but the blind sheep go to the slaughter.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000760
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    yeserbius, why are you conveniently ignoring the fact that this was never the case with the flu or other viruses? Also why are they not even counting those with natural antibodies which are superior to the vaccine?

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000544
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    Alwaysask” Say, you are working in a nursing home – would you still not do anything? test? mask?”

    Working in a nursing home is different than being allowed to carry on with your life in society. Yes in a nursing home possibly you should get tested to make sure you dont expose elderly to the virus. And if you want to wear a mask make sure its at least an N95 or higher if you want it to actually have a chance of preventing anything because anything less is pretty much useless.

    How come they never did this with the flu btw? To mandate that everyone gets the vaccine?

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000524
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    Alwaysask” You already indicated that you are willing to avoid places that require vaccination”

    Are you messing with us or just lack basic comprehension skills? You keep repeating that I said I am willing to avoid vaxpass venues. When did I say that! I clearly wrote (in answer to your question) that both vaccinated and nonvaccinated should boycott these venues who require proof of vaccination in order for things not to get worse.

    Also yserbius, stop acting like every person is carrying the virus! There are so many people who got covid and developed the natural immunity antibodies which is superior to the vaccine that noone is mentioning. Why would they be required to get vaccinated when it’s been proven to be more effective against variants, longer lasting, and actually works!
    And if you try saying they can spread it, first of all you there is no proof of that, and in fact quite the contrary the CDC openly admitted that vaccinated can and are spreading the virus, it’s not effective against variants, and that many vaccinated are getting infected. So what’s your problem!

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000521
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    Jack why do you find it appalling? I know many frum who feel that having to be labeled and singled out for not getting a vaccine is very similar to what was happening in Germany before the Holocaust. There are even Rabbis who have put out videos discussing these dangers and parables to how things started there lehavdil. I don’t see what’s so offensive about that. I am comparing the similarities of escalation toward historical disaster.

    Oh and if you are so offended, don’t forget that in Germany it didn’t start with the Jews. It was a generalization of peoples and then narrowed down on to the Jewish people. It always ends up with the Jews so just keep that in mind when you advocate for unvaccinated people to be distinguished by wearing something that shows everyone that they are different and “diseased”, yes similar to the yellow JUDE star!

    And if you think that’s bizarre and offensive, don’t forget that here in America in modern 2020 there were open air ghetto “red zones” with nonstop media coverage of how the virus is out of control due to Jews, and don’t forget how the media tried to pin down a Jew as “patient zero” since he was the first who was publicized for going to the hospital. They kept saying how the virus spread in NYC due to him and published his picture and mapped out his neighborhood. So in a time where anti semitism is unbashfully spoken, yes it is concerning of what could happen with a totalitarian government and brainwashed people.

    Not comparing the Holocaust to wearing a mask I’m comparing the process of brainwashing the masses and spreading propaganda which lead to things such as the Holocaust, communism, and other atrocities against humanity. I didn’t say wearing a mask is the same as when Jews were sent to gas chambers so don’t manipulate my words all of you!

    And if you are ok with dividing people into tiers for simply living in society then you should self reflect on yourself , not others. Because all of us will have to suffer due to you. Just like in the beginning the government said Stores aren’t obligated to have a mask policy, all the liberal thinkers decided to make it their store policy and all the people who went along with it made it become mandatory since the government saw how easy it is to make mandates for people to willingly follow. So look how far we’ve gone in about a year. We went from non mandatory mask wearing in stores, to mandatory proof of being innoculated in order to enter an indoor establishment. All because of people like you who are ruining life for others.

    You want to wear a mask go ahead. You want to take a vaccine go ahead. But since when did masks and vaccines start to work only based on what someone else does!? You are openly admitting that the mask and vaccine is not effective in that case!

    Interesting how they never said that with flu or any other virus. That the only way to be protected is by what someone else does.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000491
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    Yes ubiquitin, driving in the faster lane because you have an ez pass is definitely the same as being allowed to live in a society because you were forced to get a vaccine. (I’m being sarcastic)

    Also what you say about differentiating, once you give an opening for separation the opportunities are endless. Especially when you cooperate.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000435
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    Alwaysask”Fine but what is the solution here long term.”

    Dude I just told you what the solution is. And that is fight the illegal totalitarian implementations that the governments are forcing on humanity worldwide. And that means to boycott places which require you show a vaccination card whether you are vaccinated or not. The reason is by doing that it’s still possible to disrupt the flow and break the momentum that they have gained.

    Don’t think that it ends with you not being able to go to the gym or dine at a restaurant. This will end with total control and not allowing you to even go buy food. I mapped out how things slowly got more restricted, already they are requiring vaccination passes at museums as well. So ask yourself what’s next and do you really want to have to keep taking shots Everytime they require new ones in order to live in society? What will you do if they start going into people homes like Nazis In the middle of the night and forcefully injecting people or taking them to detention camps since they are a “danger to society”? Will you still believe it’s for the greater good?

    It might be difficult to imagine such an extremity as of yet since we trust that we live in the land of the free that adheres to a constitution.
    But that’s how these things work it’s a long process in order that people accept it. If it happened overnight no one would be ok with it. And once it does get to the extreme situation and people realize, it’s already too late. The Holocaust happened as well and none believed omething like that could truly happen. But it didn’t happen overnight, the effort started from 1933 with brainwashing propaganda and in 1939 Jews and others were being sent to their deaths.

    Also the fact that they don’t even mention or acknowledge natural immunity/antibodies should alarm you. They even tried telling everyone it only lasts 3 months which is so false as the antibodies are still keeping up in people for 1.5 years and running. So it makes you wonder where the science is and why are they pushing the vaccines against scientific facts where people have immunity?

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000408
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    Always ask”either do not walk among vaccinated or have a sign on you so that others could avoid you.”

    -or just wear a yellow JUDE star. Do you see how the problem starts? In your mind you see nothing wrong with this thinking and that’s the danger to humanity.

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #2000329
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    So first it was social distancing indoors. Then it was also social distancing outdoors. Then it was wearing a mask only if you can’t social distance. Then it became wearing a mask regardless of social distancing. Then it was vaccine and can remove mask. Then it’s vaccine and wear mask indoors. Vaccine mandate was only for health care workers. Then it became for city employees as well. Now it’s strongly encouraged that all employers require vaccines. The requirement for vaccine pass was only for gyms indoor dining and bars. Now it’s also for all city museums and indoor venues.

    Is it just me or does anyone else see a pattern here? Other than the constant flip flop decisions of Yes mask or no mask needed, there has been a consistent add on of restrictions. It’s only a matter of time when they say you cannot shop for food or live in an apartment building with others without being vaccinated or constantly boostered if you are vaccinated. And everyone is ok with this and going along with it? Those vaccinated who have such pride and think the unvaccinated should be punished and are promoting this new way of life, don’t think you won’t be affected because you will also be forced to keep updating your shots every time they come up with a new one. And believe me they will have many boosters as they already clearly said we will need boosters the rest of our lives. That might be once a year, twice a year or 3 times who knows.

    So you are welcoming in this new world for your own ego without even realizing how much it will affect you as well! Everyone should boycott this and hopefully we will still have a chance to save humanity because thats what this is a war on humanity and a battle to save it!

    Is everything still a conspiracy btw?

    in reply to: My friend just died #1999514
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    Health-“Do you believe in Hashem?
    Do you believe that Hashem decrees Life or Death?”

    If you really believe in your approach then don’t tell anyone to vaccinate because Hashem decrees.
    But since you don’t believe that because you are trying to persuade everyone to vaccinate, and you will say it’s venishmartem meod, venishmartem also applies to knowing what not to put in your body as well.
    We just don’t know any long term side effects from this vaccine what can you not understand? The only way to know is after years. And since there is no quick way to test that out only time will tell. So understand why many are hesitant to take this vaccine especially with the short term side effects which are already know regardless of how much the propagandist media will cover it up with every excuse under the sun. One thing we do know is that the vaccine loses efficacy very quickly maybe just around 6 months and already is showing that it doesn’t protect against other strains. With people at high risk it is a difficult decision whether to risk the virus or vaccine. With everyone else you need to use your common sense.

    in reply to: My friend just died #1999515
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    Participant-“why does a man have a woman friend?”

    Aside for the fact that the OP clarified, I have a question for you. Why does a Jew feel the need to judge another?

    in reply to: Coke is better than Fanta! #1998917
    rightwriter
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    Orange fanta was invented by Nazis when they ran out of coke due to trade restrictions

    in reply to: 1984 warning becoming reality 2021 #1998731
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    Fine but what is the solution here long term. It’s one thing to be extra cautious for a limited time, but is everyone going to be considered a carrier of covid forever? If both vaccinated and non vaxxed can transfer the virus even without being sick so is the mask going to be part of our dress code? They know and admitted that there is no way to get zero covid in the world so what are they trying to accomplish?

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