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“Israel has more antisemitism than the US. If you think you need to leave, moving to Israel on that basis is less safe. I’d suggest Australia or Canada is where to move.”
-Joseph give me a break, thats such a foolish statement. First of all, Canada? Which is more anti semitic than other areas?
Yes Israel makes life for the frum difficult no doubt, but in event of antisemitism Israel would be the safest place. You really think the Israeli government would set up concentration camps? The fact is that antisemitism is being unleashed in the world and we have to know if this is our warning. It always starts small, from thugs and low lives. The problem gets worse when it catches on like wildfire and spreads away from just the thug population.rightwriterParticipantit starts with the “powerless fringe elements”. Thats why the question was if thats our warning.
rightwriterParticipantRandom- so I wrote an interesting reply but wasn’t posted for whatever funny reason the mods have. Sorry don’t feel like retyping it all. Would have liked to see answers but you know, mods what can you do. There was nothing wrong with my reply so kind of disappointed that its lost thanks to mods.
Very long posts are hard to moderate and are more likely to not be approved. See https://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/moderation-memos-posting-tips-and-important-links#post-612444
rightwriterParticipant“Who says all wisdom is religious wisdom? We are allowed to utilize non-religious wisdom that comes from the nations around us, such as technology or medicinal cures.”
-problem is a lot of times it’s intertwined and difficult to separate the wisdom from the religion aspect
rightwriterParticipantSo just to be clear, red string, blue eye, chamsa and magen david do not have clear Jewish origings and are possibly adopted from other religions?
I even heard an opinion that dressing up costumes on Purim was also a custom taken from the non Jewish holiday. Any truth to that?
rightwriterParticipantAvram md-so are you saying before magen david the menorah mostly symbolized the Jewish religion? It is very iconic till this day as well.
“No. Idolatrous religions were all made up by people. Christianity and Islam did derive some of their ideas from Judaism. As far as wisdom in other religions, Jews are strictly forbidden from investigating other religions and their practices.”
-Why did it take so many years from creation for Judaism to develop as well as other monotheistic religions? How come idolatrous religions are still alive and strong even in this age of understanding? Most of the eastern part of the world for example still follow those religions.
Yes not allowed to learn from other religions but are there any practices or knowledge which came from us even before Judaism was official which have been lost or forgotten on our end but kept by these other nations? Such as eastern medicine, mind and body healing, meditations or any other general secrets/wisdom. Obviously there are many instances where modern medicine is not fit to cure and more homeopathic and herbal remedies are necessary and can fix. Wouldn’t it be strange if Judaism doesn’t have those essential secrets but having to rely on other religious wisdom?rightwriterParticipantReb eliezer many Tzaddikim have said that the version of the book that we know of is not the original that was handed down. Look it up
rightwriterParticipant“The Otzar Yisroel says that the symbol can be found in the Sefer Raziel Hamalach.”
-again we don’t even know what that sefer is since many have said the one we know of is not the original and not even known who wrote this one
rightwriterParticipantJewish unity-just curious why have you been tracking this book for years?
rightwriterParticipantReb eliezer “When she gave birth and one stretched his hand out, the midwife took his hand and tied a red string on him to know who came out first.”
Yes but that still doesn’t explain why people wear it I think as a protection from ayin Hara possibly? That red color supposedly repels it? Also that still doesn’t credit us with the origin aren’t there religions that predate us who have this custom?
Again is it possible that these and many other mystical customs came from Jewish origins but forgotten over the years and have been picked up by other religions or possibly kept for all the years since the matanos were given over to Hagar and the Eastern world?
And regarding Magen David do we have any Jewish source for this symbol?
rightwriterParticipantCtlawyer- yes but check this book specifically all sellers are selling for this price and even on other sites you won’t find it for less than $300 and take condition into account too. You can search Google it’s either all out of stock or high price.
rightwriterParticipantCatch yourself”Sounded like you have the capability to play the music off your phone, but that you didn’t want to have to look at your phone while driving.”
-no I was just kind of defending why I like the old school CD before people try to point out how it’s a thing of the past. Also saying that I know there are apps that offer free Jewish music but yes I would still have to look at phone and connect it to the car if possible depending on the circumstances, and also need Internet connection. If I had the songs available I would just transfer it to a CD so no I don’t have most of the songs I’d like.
Random”So?”
-so again this discourages from being able to listen to more Jewish music since it would cost a fortune. If apps such as jewish music.fm can offer all albums for free listening, or non Jewish artists can have all their music free on YouTube, why isn’t it readily available for most Jewish music as well?
Is listening to Jewish music a privilege only if you can afford the expense? Someone who isn’t so into Jewish music will definitely not pay so much just to give it a chance. Besides ive already mentioned that many albums don’t have the individual download offer so that takes us back to the impractical option of purchasing full albums for a high price just for 1 or 2 songs.rightwriterParticipantCatch yourself”There is no credible source for the red string in Judaism. Rav Yaakov Hillel in his Sefer Tamim Tihyeh writes as much, and that the practice is forbidden as superstition. It is unfortunate that this practice has become so common, when it is antithetical to our way of life.”
– oh wow. So there is no Jewish origin to it at all? Why wouldn’t Rabbanim decry this custom then since in Israel it is common to see these being sold at holy sites. Are you saying we adopted this from other religions? Does this also go for the evil eye amullete? What about the chamsa which moslims follow as well?
rightwriterParticipantBmg-“Because the crowd that would fall for it would also fall for such a price”
So are you saying it’s inaccurate?
rightwriterParticipantThe red string people have on wrist, the eye is like an amulette against evil eye. Apparently most other religions have that as well. So wondering of the origins
rightwriterParticipantWhy is it selling at a price of $900
rightwriterParticipantHow did the Magen David become a symbol of Judaism if we are not even sure about the original ties to it? Anyone answering about sefer Raziel Hamalach? Red string, blue eye, etc are any of these adopted traditions or did it originate in Yiddishkeit? What about the far East world’s knowledge of healing or spirituality did these originate from the matanos that Avraham Avinu gave to Hagar?
rightwriterParticipantReb eliezer, are you sure about that last comment?
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rightwriterParticipantLowertution- I meant towards the world not your personal self.
rightwriterParticipantLoweryourtuition, I didn’t ask about custom. Symbol/icon such as Menorah, Magen David, which btw we aren’t sure of the origins of the star symbol as it is. And the icon anyone here chooses please explain why you think it represents Judaism most.
Sefer Raziel Hamalach, the one you own is not likely the real one. Many Tzaddikim wrote about the authenticity of it. And if the one we know of isn’t the original or authentic one why is it still being printed/available?
rightwriterParticipantYouTube revenue is mostly ad based yes. Anyway all the non Jewish music is on YouTube so they must know what they are doing. They know that people download YouTube videos via software. But they still have their music on the site.
“Can your car play music off a USB drive? That’s another option.”
-its not about the methods to play music, it’s about having the actual content to play. Again buying full albums is not practical at all and not all offer individual song purchase and even if they do that would still add up to a large sum of money. People have 100s of songs in their collection nowadays. Someone told me just don’t listen to music then. That’s not the answer I’m looking for.
True there is car radio, but last I checked they don’t play Jewish music there.rightwriterParticipant” Spotify and Apple Music are both 15 dollars a month, so look at it like accessing all the music for the cost of 12 albums a year (although you don’t always get access to the newest albums right away).
You can create your own playlists (Spotify also allows you to access others’ playlists that aren’t private), which you can then navigate just as easily as a CD using your car’s controls.”Again aside for the expense, now you have to be dependent on having a newer high tech car and also an internet connection.
rightwriterParticipantMaybe I should change the title,is that possible?
rightwriterParticipantYes a mixtape so to speak for the car. I’m aware of advanced technology but i still like using a CD for driving which I can control from the car buttons easily and not have to be distracted looking at the phone to change a song. Also CDs are disposable and I dont care if I forget it somewhere. Buying a song for $1 is still not so practical and not all albums offer that option.
I don’t understand why they don’t just put the album on YouTube they will be making more money having their songs up there rather than selling overpriced CDs. All the non Jewish music is on YouTube ready to be downloaded so if it works for them why not for the Jewish songs? Yidden would be able to listen to Jewish music much more.
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