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Pac-Man,

I never said they don’t have a right to stay (although I didn’t know we live under a constitution that affords rights). Whomever want to sit in beis medresh all day for their whole life can do whatever they want. But that does not mean they should be supported by the public. The public needs to set standards and rules and at some point those that have shown the ability, apptitude and whatever other qualifications are set should be the ones supported so they can live appropriatley, the rest can make the decission to live off whatever funds they earn but they should not be living off the public. Nowhere is history has it been that everyone was accepted to a yeshiva and then only the best were the ones that continued on learning for extended years.

Everything that was said has some resembolance of truth but it skewed to the posters own view (and possible hatred of CB)

You need to clarify why you need to know, if you are looking at elemetary,high school or bais medresh the answer is a little different.

The elemetary school has a big range of parents, from working parents, to working yeshivish, to kollel and rabbeim. I don’t know what the parent body at T”V is, but I doubt it is any much diferent. I have some T”V bus stops in my area and the way some motheres dress is not to my standards, but I’m sure there are mothers in C”B (where my kids go) that dress the same. Most of the early years rabbeim are chassidish, but they do not teach chassidishe havara, it is yeshivish ahavrah with a choilam being pronounced as oy. The secular studies are short but they condence a lot of information and learning into the time and I don’t find them to be lacking more than in any other yeshiva that I have discussed curiculm about with friends.

I don’t know about th high school parent body (yet) but it is probably similar to the elemantry school as they have 3 classed going into 3 classes. At least, as a few years ago they still had a large porportion of studendt getting regents diplomas, although I have heard there are now some not even bothering to get any diploma. They push learning and learning as the only derech (probably not different than most other places). There was an article in one of the last issues of the Jewish Observer where Yonasan Rosenbloom discussed this and the basic conclusion was, this is what you can expect,just as a professor is going to push for his expertise, so to rebbeim push for learning. In high school is were there is more stress put on to what a lot of detractors hate about C”B and that is the notion that the Rosh Hayeshiva is in a position of malchus, (which I guess is similar to a chassidishe Rebbe). But they are pretty much upfront with the notion that his is our derech and it is not fo everyone, if you don’t like it you are welcome to go elsewhere and we can help you find elsewhere if you want.

I don’t know either the current status of what is going on in the bais medresh, but I am sure it is moving more to the right as everywhere else. I stil see plenty of guys coming out with college degrees looking for work, but it is probably due to strong parent intervention that push the kids to get the degree, definitely not coming from the yeshiva, but probably no different than anywhere else. The biggest difference between C”B and other yeshivas is the alumni association with the yeshiva. Due to the malchus approach, you have graduates who are very ied to yeshiva and you have graduates who have a few choice words ready for the fundraising calls. I have friends from both camps and both went from kindergarten thorugh bais medresh in C”B. This difference manifests itself in the alumni minyanim where i have the heard the T”V minyanim are seperate and apart from yeshiva while the C”B alumni minyanim are part of yeshiva and when they started the Rov’s were chosen by the Rosh Yeshiva.

Another difference i have heard from friends that habe looked at multiple yeshivas is that the administration of C”B is probably the most efficient and put together than other yeshivas. It has a somewhat corporate atmosphere and they are top of everything to the best of their ability from bussing, to luches to maintenance of the buildings. every area of concern has someone who is responsible for it, and things get taken care of.

Overall, I will say both yeshivas are good, both produce talmidei chachamim and both are within the confines of Torah. You probably wouldn’t go wrong with either choice.

Daas Yochid,

And here lies the major problem, most of what is being labled as assur is not so clear cut so. If most poskim say assur (and it has to be from a halacha standpoint,not hashkafa)(e.g. Reb Moshe assured the eruv in brooklyn halachikly, there were chassidhe rebbe’s that assur an eruv hashkafakly) it is still most not all, therefore there is an opinion allowing it. Why would we then force a kid to stop and further antagonize them. If all a kid hears is assur, assur assur then where is the beauty in yidishkeit.

I attended TA in the early 90’s and was served fleshigs. What changed was the cook.

The vendor at Yankees stadium is called Strikly Kosher (they have a website). When I was there last week they had a hashgacha sign from the Vaad of Queens.

DS,

Wearing a yarlmuke may depend on where you are interviewing. In NYC it should not make a difference as they are aware that that is what ortodix jews wear on their head. A jewish name is no different than any har to pronounce chinese, indian or muslim name. I have a friend who had on campus recruiting from all the big 6 (at that time) firms. He wore a yarmulke to 5 of the interviews and was offered a position from the 6th interview where he didn’t wear a yarmulke. Each case is different but the interviwee needs to do his research on the firm and who he is meeting to make these decissions. There is no one answer for all.

1:00am is not an all nighter. An all nighter is when you take a car home from the office at 6:00am shower and daven and then head off to a client. When the work has to get done, it get done. At some point the law of diminishing returns applies, but if there is a deadline, you do what you have to do.

Wolf,

I don’t need a bridge I prefer the tunnel. I also prefer to give everybody the benefit of the doubt (especially in ruchnious areas) and what do i care if this is what they do. It doesn’t hurt me, cost me anything or generally affect me in any way. Rabbi Reisman once said in one of his shiurim. When you see the lady walking down the street pushing her baby in a carriage and she is not dressed the way you think she should be, you should be thinking, Baruch Hashem look how wondeful the mother over there is taking care and raising yiddishe kinder.

good.jew,

What in the world are you talking about? For the federal gov’t you file form 4868 and for New York state you file an IT-370 (I think) or online thorught the NYS website. There is no requirement of a notary.

First you must make sure nobody else or cops are around. Then you sneak up to him quietly, then you lower your center of gravity and rush the last few feet and push him so he tips over.

On a related topic,

While it says kol haposhed yad nosnim lo, does that really apply to bachrum collecting for yeshivas? On purim we give matanos la’evyonim, how does the minhag of bochrum collecting for yeshivas and other mosdos fall into matanos la’evyonim?

Are you talking about the yeshiva ketana (elementary), Mesifta (high school) or bais medresh? While there is a common theme running through out, it makes a difference on what you want to know.

Hi this is the fridge. The answering machine is on vacation this week so please leave a message and I will write it down and hang it up me with a magnet. Beeeeeeeeep

I reccomend Kosher Deluxe on 46th st in Manahttan. Better service, cleaner and better food.

Is this indocrination really taking place? I see plenty of girls marrying someone who is not going to sit in kollel (for sake of this argument, let’s leave out the first few years when they are still moochers living off the parents while they finish their college degrees). Also, if there were more “good” guys of non kollel sitting available, wouldn’t there be more girls willing to marry them.

the people making the big bucks on wall street are not working 9am to 5pm. They are putting in the same crazy hours as the lawyers, with the only difference of not having to fill out a time sheet.

I got married at the end of December right before bus season. Tthe long hours started the week I went back to work and when I came home around 11:00 my wife asked is everything ok and why am I home so early. Her best friend would come home regularly after 12 so it was what she was expecting.

jobless,

there is no normal and you can’t compare to what everyobe else does in accounting. responsibilities take different roles. At this point in my career my staff is staying very late at the appropriate times, whereas I will stay later then them when the job is wrapping up. It also sometimes works to a person detriment if they are a good worker since they get piled up high with work while the marginal staff can find themselves with very little to do.

Squeak,

based on the research (anicdotal, not scientific) we were told that the system keeps the house and a more even temperature and for longer. i.e. there is less problems of the first floor being boiling and the second floor cold.) We were also told that the operating cost could be less. It also had the advantage of being quiter, i.e. no loud noises in the middle of the night when the system kicks on because it’s cold and the steam escapes from the valves. There is also always a potential problem when changing boilers in a stema system that the change could create knocking noises for which there is basically nothing that can be done. We kept the steam system and had a good plumber install it and did not have knowcking noises (although the plumber did not guarantee that it won’t happen) If you are only changing the boiler, keep in mind that you will have a new boiler with 80 year old pipes. At some time those pipes will need to be replaced.

After having the taken the NY-Montreal bus on a motzei shabbos, the chassidish bus is definitely out. When you say the yeshivish bus, do you mean guys in yeshiva or guys who left yeshiva full time and have degrees and work at professional companies. I would take the latter but would take MO over the first.

To all those who keep saying you are not allowed or it’s not so pashut to change ones minhag. Please explain how one can keep chassidishe minhagim that were introduced in the 17 and 1800’s. For example nusach ashkenaz was the predominate nusach until chassdim started davening nusach sefard.

someone earning $200,000 is not paying 45% of earning in taxes.

They will likely itemize the the interest on the mortgage and state taxes. They will also get exemtions. I don’t have time to calculate better (October 15th is Friday) Assuming 10% for 401k and $10k for health insurance there should be no more than $40k in taxes which gives you another $20k to play around with. That is not ncluding other deductions avaliable. I will say that the schools recognize that for a frum family to live modestly income in the mid hundreds is required. Your numbers are made up and so is your whole notion of luxury. If you are paying full tuition you are still not paying for yenems kid. It is a fact, ask any school administrator if full tuition in yeshivas was paid by everybody it would still not cover the budget.

For most schools full tuition does not cover the actual costs. When my kids started school I looked into this a little and spoke with realatives that are involved with schools and school amdinistration. The common denomenator of their responses was that full tuition is generally less than the cost per student which was at that time estimated to be around $15k. The schools expect to raise a certain amount through fundraising. Jewish education is not a Privilege it is an obligation, more so it is also a community obligation. By you paying an extra $2,500 you are making the fundraisers job easier, but you are not paying for someone elses kid. Very few parents are even covering the actual costs for their kids.

aries2756,

You can’t compare what you went through to what is happening now. Generations have changed and the expectations are different. The blame rests not only on the parents but yeshiva education as well. When bochrim expect/demand to be supported and girls are taught that they must marry a kollel guy, why should their standard of living be less than what they are used to? The luxury of 20 years ago is a necessity now, that is just the way it works. air conditioning, a car, takeout/prepared foods, aluminum pans, human hair sheitels, are they luxury or necessities? Depends who you ask and what generation they are from. Why should someone give up on luxaries when they are doing what was brainwashed into them in school? There was no mention of having to do without during the brainwashing.

eman,

For #1 & #2 you are correct.

For # 3, There is no chiyuv for a person to live in a run down home and if both parents are working then a maid can become a necessity. Additionaly, maybe the renovation was done because they have a daughter of age, and as the yeshivas are teaching, you must find someone to support you and if the house looks disheveled, of course they can’t support you.

One of the real reason there is tuition rasing issues is because parents don’t trust the finances of the institutions. They are closed books, how do I know you are spending the money wisely? If I don’t trust you then you are not my priority in paying bills.

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If most halachic authorities hold no, how can a company sell it? It may be hard and you may need some training, but to say you can’t check it yourself is sheer idiocy.