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Joseph: You don’t really think that I was in any way valuing your judgment of other people’s frumkeit, do you?
Less profit also means less capital investment in new locations meaning fewer new jobs created. Less profit means less paid in taxes, because the company pays taxes at a higher rate than the employees it would be giving the money to. And that’s just for major corporations.
For a smaller business, raising the minimum wage could force it to close. So stop being so cavalier.
“Mishpacha is on the left-wing of the chareidi world.”
How about AMI Magazine? Is that too left wing for Joseph? LOL
Because they had an article this week by Rav Frankfurter that Rav Aharon Kotler said people should vote in the kenesset elections. And that, according to Rav Dovid son of the Brisker, the Brisker was for the most part silent on the issue.
Yechaveh Da’as 2:29
Mutar and considered a seudas mitzvah. No difference in this respect between boy and girl upon reaching age of chiyuv in mitzvos. Also, that Ben Ish Chai would consider it a seudas mitzvah if it was a thing that people did (which they did not do at his time).
Sridei Eish 2:39 or 3:93 depending on edition
Thinks it’s a good idea similar to reasons for needing chinuch banos nowadays (in fact mentions Bais Yaakov by name). Agrees with Rav Moshe (by name) that it should not be done in shul. Says that it depends on the motivation (lesheim shomayim vs copying the minim as he puts it). Questions why some asser it based on emotion rather than halachic arguments (evidently there was a Coffee Room back then as well).
DY: Thanks. I mentioned tosefes earlier but I think it was ignored. The 200 zuz point was not kefiya but rather asmachta; it’s mayseh beis din, true, but he still has to agree to it voluntarily if he wants to get married.
It’s all bedieved; lechatchila they wouldn’t get divorced at all, or if they did, it wouldn’t come to this point. Bedieved if it was done this way it might be a legit get. In any case I’m not advocating for this particular prenup; I’m just pointing out that some of the arguments against prove too much.
Akup: Interesting shailah. Is ma’aras ayin only by yidden, who realize it’s legit, or also with respect to what goyim might think, which is as you say?
“Here is a translation of another related teshuva from Rav Elyashev (Kovetz Teshuvos vol. 1 #174):
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/men-withholding-a-get#post-566490″
That translation’s been posted all over the internet. It talks about the fact that we aren’t generally kofin in a case of ma’us alai. It has nothing to do with what we’re talking about.
If you have a link to the original teshuva by R. Elyashiv on the prenup that would be great. In Hebrew.
It’s not kofin oso if he was mechayev himself in it (we’re back to square one on this issue).
And if you say that he wasn’t really mechayev himself in it because he never expected to actually have to pay it, and therefore it’s an asmachta, how is that different from 200 zuz which he also never expected to have to pay? If in the kesubah he’s mechayev himself to pay 200 if he divorces her, and in the prenup he’s mechayev himself to pay X if he doesn’t divorce her, which one is the asmachta?
Of course, all this may only be relevant if the husband doesn’t want to divorce her. But if he does want to divorce her, and is holding out for money or custody or to be me’agen her, there may not be such a thing as a get me’useh at all:
Igros Moshe EH 3:44
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Chazon Ish EH 99:2
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Actually the teshuvos linked to above say it’s not ossur and that you can make it at home, just not inside a beis kennesses.
Oh, and by the way, we’re still waiting to find out which se’if in Shulchan Aruch it is that Rav Soloveitchik said didn’t apply nowadays.
What Rav Wolbe was saying depends on the circumstance. As he says, quoted above, “her husband, who she was told was a talmid chochom (knows much more than she)”. The husband only knows more than the wife if he’s a talmid chochom, even she went to BY. But if she went to BY and he’s some random guy (kama Akiva ika beshuk), then that’s a different story.
I’ve never heard of any rov approve of mixed swimming, mo or otherwise. Thats just a phony argument.
Hey, Joe, was she writing for Telz before or after R. Shkop was at YU?
I assume the OP meant the extreme Left. Certainly, the run of the mill left of center liberals, like most of the US Congress, are hardly pro-Islam.
No need to argue over a machlokes haposkim? So we should only argue over things on which there is unanimous agreement?
“Once voting in WZC elections, don’t forget to do the same in United Synagogue and HUC elections.”
Why wouldn’t I, if there was a frum candidate running?
“Rav Eliashev publicly said (available on a recording) that the Kenesset is a “beis minus”. Obviously the Chaereidi MKs have a heter to enter. But as a rule that’s what it is. And frum Jews shouldn’t enter the perimeters of the Kenesset.”
And yet many gedolim vote in kenesset elections, so why can’t we vote in WJC elections?
“I am secretly a dinosaur”
I feel what you’re going through. I, too, thought I was an invention of apikorsishe scientists. Now I realize.
It’s annoying, though, because that puts weekday ma’ariv and shabbos ma’ariv in close proximity, so it’s easy to accidentally turn to the wrong one (oh good, here’s borchu in the approximately expected location…oh, what’s ufros oleinu sukkas shlomecho doing here?)
Rivka’s father-in-law was the richest man in the world, so that’s hardly an apt example.
Immigrants from Europe gave to their kids according to their means. Overspending to absurdity required an American hashpa’ah.
“There is however a concept in Tzeddakah of giving according to the receiver’s standard”
That depends on the circumstance. It means if someone’s luck has changed, he’s provided for at his original station in life. It doesn’t mean the community must provide lavish weddings for those who could never have afforded them in the first place just because they want them.
“blaming a father for wanting his kids’ happy and provided for when realistically the couple won’t be able to afford all this stuff in the near future is counterproductive.”
Actually, I think you’ve articulated a most productive approach. The parent should, rather than being a spineless jellyfish, have the guts to tell his kids exactly what’s been said here. Number one, you don’t deserve anything. You only get what you earn and what other people feel like giving you out of the kindness of their hearts. Number two, you don’t automatically get fancy apartments, vacations, ridiculous weddings, and beautiful furniture. Number three, if you’re working then you’re expected to pay for your own stuff and live within your means, and if you’re learning then basically you’re living off tzedakah and you have no right to expect more than the basic necessities. And if the kids don’t understand that then they are probably too immature to be married anyway. And if the kollel guy doesn’t understand it then he’s got real issues with the relative importance of learning vs gashmius.
RABBAIM: Who’s Rav Nosson Tzvi “Cohen”? Are you remembering the bilirubin numbers as well as you’re remembering the practitioner’s name?
See Orach Chaim 260:1/mogen avrohom/taz/mishne brura
Cut nails on Friday because they regrow on 3rd day, so if you do it Thurs it will be on shabbos and that would not be kovodik to have the nails grow on the day you bedavka want them cut for.
From Rashi mashma that people used to cut on Thurs but probably because they didn’t have time on Friday.
Not to cut on same day fingernails and toenails so do latter on Thurs and former on Fri.
Don’t leave nails lying around because danger to pregnant woman. Gemara says chasid burns them, tzadik buries them, rasha throws them wherever. Ri Milunel says it’s a problem because it will frighten the woman (she will think she stepped on a scorpion) but this doesn’t square with the understanding that if there’s shinui mokom there’s no sakono. Machlokes whether just moving them around in the same room is considered shinui mokom (as one eitzah is to just sweep the floor).
Specific order of fingernail cutting given, Maharam and Ari not concerned, tov lizaheir lechatchila.
Some places follow tzvoa’s R. Yehuda Hachosid to not haircut/shave/nailcut on rosh chodesh even if it falls on erev shabbos.
Is it possible that going to EY would NOT be a good idea?
So, if she’s sociable, and then people find out she didn’t go, they’re going to change their mind and consider her “not sociable?” I doubt it. OTOH, if someone’s not sociable in the first place, and then the busybodies find the non-camp history reinforces their preconceived notions, well that’s a different story.
Spoken as someone who himself went to sleepaway a couple of times, and am normal but not particularly sociable.
Goq: I find your post very interesting, as I’ve never worked in a supermarket, but wondered about certain things. In particular:
1. Is it easier for the staff if I pay by cash, or by CC?
2. Is it common in the industry to get bonuses for customer compliments?
3. It’s possible that the smokers are embarrassed to ask for smokes, or maybe not having had one in a while makes them grumpy, or they smoke to overcome their depression.
PAA: So you admit that you’re just putting words into a posek’s mouth: “he said it by one mechanism for igun-prevention, so it must apply to a different mechanism as well.” Unconvincing.
Joseph: I didn’t call it “extra mezonos” (maybe the RCA did but that’s irrelevant). Any husband can agree to give his wife whatever he wants, at any time. It doesn’t matter that the effect of that is to make him more likely to divorce her to get out of paying it. Because if you say that, then the whole kesuba is one giant get-meuseh generator, because he has to pay mezonos until they’re divorced!
“Chazal had an idea: pas b’melach tochal.”
Nice idea. But chazal never said everyone has to do it. If you want to be moiser nefesh as much as humanly possible for Torah, that’s what you do. But a number of chazal were quite wealthy.
“The rav was asked if he is concerned the young lady will not find a shidduch, to which he explained he is not worried about her shidduch but if she will find the correct derech and her Yiras Shomayim.”
What about a shidduch with a guy in a chareidi college?
There are (at least) 2 types of MO, and the split may partially be related to what you’re asking. A guy who doesn’t wear a hat, went to college, etc., but is shomer torah umitzvos and has a torah-centric hashkafah, is probably going to go with da’as torah (although, since he’s going to ask different rabbonim, he’s going to get a different da’as torah, but I don’t think that matters for what you’re asking). OTOH, a guy who’s MO meaning follows 85% of shulchan oruch and feels yiddishkeit is a nice thing for Jews to do is not going with da’as torah in any way shape or form. And there’s a lot of that latter type around.
“The Rama paskens that a husband is only responsible for his wife’s expenses while she lives in his home.”
Where is the Remo that he can’t take upon himself extra mezonos? Or tosefes? And since she’s allowed to say “aini nizonis”, then you’d have to argue that any woman who is instead toive’ah her mezonos is forcing him to give a get? Come on.
“It doesn’t even have a clause saying what happens in the event BDA is no loger existing”
That’s with any agreement to go to any beis din. We don’t say, “don’t ever go to beis din because between the time you agree to go and the time you actually go, the BD might be gone.”
“It only financially penalizes the husband if the husband doesn’t give it; it makes no provisions to penalize the wife if the wife doesn’t accept it. “
Wrong. She doesn’t get any money if she refuses to go to beis din or do what the BD tells her to do.
“However, this support obligation shall terminate if Wife-to-Be refuses to appear upon due notice before the Beth Din of America or in the event that Wife-to-Be fails to abide by the decision or recommendation of the Beth Din of America.”
“http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=7512&st=&pgnum=101&hilite=
(Last paragraph; It’s not discussing the prenup, but we can easily apply it to the prenup.)”
That’s right. We can easily apply anything that anyone ever said to anything else we want it to apply to.
“It starts taking effect the day she (on her own volition) walks out of his home (or forces him out).”
Not really. “Wife-to-Be waives her right to collect any
“Nachalas Shivah–?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????????”
You don’t call that mezonos? And a validation of what’s reasonable? Not that he would be chayav in that, but it’s obviously not an unreasonable shibud for him to accept on himself.
“the wife keeps her own income (even though halachicly it belongs to him if he gives her mezonos) “
Under ordinary circumstances, if he gives her mezonos then he gets her income in order to prevent eivah; but that’s pretty much water under the bridge at this point.
“You know as well as I and anyone else reading this that $55,000 + inflation (post-tax money) for one person – plus her keeping her own earnings – is not any halachic or otherwise definition of “mezonos”.”
So, you’d be happy if the prenup was a smaller figure, or depended on income, or on what standard of living the wife was used to? Or do you just have a shitah of chodosh ossur min hatorah and are looking to scuttle everything written in the last 200 years?
Incidentally, if someone could post the relevent teshuva of R. Elyashiv that would be great, since many of us don’t have access to the sefer. And it’s the only one so far quoted.
“The US isn’t supposed to go to war without a declaration of war by Congress.”
So, it doesn’t actually say that in the US Constitution. It says Congress has the power to declare war; that’s not the same thing as saying that US armed forces can’t go into battle without such a declaration
“The US isn’t supposed to go to war without a declaration of war by Congress.”
I searched the web and found all sorts of interesting things. Like, the Zionists perpetrated 9/11. And space aliens rule France. And income tax in unconstitutional. But I also found something else interesting–99.99% of legal scholars disagree.
DY: Not if the switch was a removable piece. If it was 2 unrelated units, or 2 computers one controlling the light pulses and the other controlling the receiver and then the room light, I might be more accepting. A single computer controlling everything means it’s just playing games with itself: “I’m going to shine a light into my own eye, and if this human puts something in the way, I won’t turn on his light, but if he removes my blindfold, I will turn his light on.” The wind behind the door has nothing to do with the fire initially, nor the jugs of water with the fire. I’m not sure I’d like the switch even in the disjoined circumstance, but this way seems like a false, superficial imitation of grama. Not “Ungrama,” but “pseudo-grama.”
So I had a thought on this. And for all I know the same could apply to Zomet’s inventions and the Shabbos Mode ovens. But anyway here’s the thing:
The switch doesn’t operate like other cases of grama or hasoras hamone’a, like the jugs of water or opening the door involving the wind and the candle, because the light emitter and detector are both part of the same unit and connected to the same computer. It’s not like there are two different things that are occurring, like in the traditional examples, fire here, water there; wind here, candle there. It’s a single implement that has its own internal workings–it’s a glorified “what position is the switch in” detector. Now, if there were two separate devices or even two separate computers in one device, I could see, because then it would be two separate things and they would coincidentally happen to interact. But with it all being connected to a single computer it doesn’t seem to fit the mold of the cases of grama in the mekoros.
Maybe they baked the key to the chometz storehouse into a challah before giving it to the goy whom they sold the chometz to. That way they could tell that the goy didn’t take any chometz out, so they would buy it back from him at the original price. (Da’as atzmi)
The chareidi MK’s have to take an oath of allegiance to the State of Israel:
“I pledge myself to bear allegiance to the State of Israel and faithfully to discharge my mandate in the Knesset.”
And the rabbonim who support them don’t seem to have a problem with this. I realize it’s not the same as the declaration on the Zionist elections page, but it’s still an issue if you’re anti-medinah.
Hakatan (as self-described) wants everyone to believe that all MO get their hashkafa from foreign non-Torah sources. That comment is so utterly false disgusting that I cannot even believe it would be allowed here.
And if he’s interested (or at least understands), I’d be glad to compare the fealty of Litvishe MO to traditional mekoros with that of the Besh”t’s hashkafa etc.
Clearly, if you ask a frum person who does where a hat, you may get a different answer than if you ask a frum person who doesn’t where a hat. Depending, in part, on how important the hat wearer considers his hat-wearing is.
In short, you might have to decide whether it’s important to you that your daughter marry a hat wearer or not.
There might be a distinction (which may not be clear in teshuvos) between a hot plate that’s used for cooking (like those old fashioned ones with the coil) and one that’s used for warming (like the modern large smooth topped ones).
They make you say the whole haggadah twice–once with “zeicher” liyetzias mitzraim, and once with “zecher.”
“http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1525&st=&pgnum=386
And particularly this excerpt:
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Does the mechaber of that sefer have many followers here?
Maybe it’s a kli shemelachto leheter–after all, you use it to look at the time 50x a day, and use it for apps only a few times a day.
And even if it a kli shemelachto le’issur, maybe you’re always wearing it lezorech gufo umekomo, since you always need to know the time.
About the motion detectors–who says you’re allowed to keep them on on shabbos? Perhaps there are heterim to go to places where they happen to be on, but to davka keep them on at home on shabbos?
“Like Haman would not have noticed some random person not bowing “
Maybe. But it’s been widely reported (on YWN http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/news/headlines-breaking-stories/259251/rav-aharon-kotler-zatzal-truman-and-hirohito.html for example) that Rav Aharon Kotler was beaten to a pulp for not bowing to Hirohito. And remember that Mordechai would have been in a position of prominence as one of the Jewish leaders.
But the question is whether it’s one or two manos. Does it work like in hilchos brachos? Can I give chulent if the pieces are big so that they require separate brachos and therefore it’s two entities (meat and potatoes), but not if the pieces are small so that its a single entity and requires only one bracha? Or is chulent always two manos, or always one?
Yichus is more of an indicator of the maalos the person may have, rather than a real maaleh itself. Who is more likely to know shas backwards and forwards–Rav Moshe’s son, or some random guy’s son? Clearly the former. but if you faher them both then what matters is who really knows it better, and who should’ve known it better doesn’t really matter much at that point, does it.
Not everyone looks too far into the future when looking for a shidduch.
If a girl wants to marry someone who’s going to learn full time for the rest of his life, that’s realistic, but she has to realize that that means that she’s going to be working full time, or money will be very tight, or he’ll be in klei kodesh.
If she wants to marry someone who’s going to learn for 10-15 yrs, it may be that he’ll only qualify for a low-paying job, which is also fine, as long as she understands. And after that he certainly won’t be learning full time.
Anything is possible. But she’s gotta have realistic expectations as to how things will work out in the future. Full time learner? Check. Nice house? Nice clothes? Lots of jewelry? Vacations? She needs to decide for herself whether those need to be checked.
They give good soundbites, and for every one that they serve, you’ve got to swat it back at them. If you miss just one, then all those observing the debate will be influenced by them. Seems awful risky. Might be better to talk to Jews on your own turf, not by playing the missionaries’ game.
Splitting up countries always works so well to keep the peace. Just look at India, Cyprus, and Ireland.
And look at what happened in South Africa–they made 10 states for Blacks, and where promptly accused of being more racist than before. Do you see Israel becoming a darling to the world by creating an Arab state?
A travel camp where the campers are joined by their families at the destination? That’s a bit unusual. Or is it that they’re joined by other families? Still odd.
So the issue isn’t with academic studies per se, it’s with how it’s done, with antisemitic overtones and so on. Perhaps it could be done in EY the way it’s done in USA, which doesn’t seem to be a problem and where the gedolim don’t seem to rail against it.
Plumber
it’s funny that you misquote the rema to a guy whose screenname is rema
Golf: It may be true that other Presidents won wars or other guys got rich while playing golf, but Obama’s accomplished little while playing golf. If you’re doing a good job, then giving the appearance of slacking off will not be held against you. If you’re lousy, then every stupid thing you do will be held against you, and properly so. As in ordinary life, so with Presidents.
Obamacare: Some people have been helped by Obamacare. Most have been told they would be helped, only to find out that their medium-priced insurance policy comes with a several thousand dollar deductible, so they have to pay out of pocket for everything anyway.
Obama’s an anti-Semite. In reference to Congress’ bipartisan effort to rein in Iran, he told Democratic Senator Menendez that (according to the NYT) “he understood the pressures that senators face from donors and others”, implying that the Jews were bribing Congress to take a hard line on Iran. This is similar to George H. W. Bush saying that he was up against powerful forces regarding a proposed loan guarantee to Israel.
Most Jews voted for Obama: So what does that prove? That Obama was a good President? That he’s pro-Jewish? Most Jews don’t care about Torah values, Jews, or Israel–they care about leftist values; so most Jews having voted for Obama implies he’s a reasonably good Democrat, that’s it.
“Not recommended – i.e. not kosher”
That’s clearly incorrect. It means that they can’t verify that it’s kosher. Like the lemonade. It doesn’t mean it’s not kosher. Obviously, rov flavorings are kosher, and kol deporish merubo porish.