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..again not sure what youre talking about religous boca ratom rabbis put out a letter together closing shuls and minyanim…orb is a kashrus agency not a board that issues guidlines like the ou or agudah…the stark didnt either issue psak nor did chafk nor did the triangle k for what i know of…@common…not sure what youre talking about at least in the boca raton every rabbi came out together in strong terms against anything of the sort.
As far as their right to go somewhere else im sure they could but this matter is very simple if a person does not want to follow when their rav makes a psak then find somewhere else to go…they obviously dont get it.
NEWS FLASH: theres soemthing called daas torah and going against a psak which in every way deserves to be publicized and called out on…going against a psak of an area is much worse than any possible mitzvah one mightve gotten for favening with a minyan….just a side not the psak by our rabonnim nullify the mitzvah
Yes if you can make a comment about not being famous or rich enough to get your seforim up then you probably shouldnt be writing seforim and go back to learning mussar.
Amil,
I think in all your years attending meetings you obviously missed the point.
@ctlawyer….rather than refute your nonsense…i would rather you show me one rav anywhere today that says 12 step programs are yoshke based or that they are innapropriate in any way….in fact alot of meetings are held in churches and jews are allowd to attend even there because of how heloful they are. You base your opinions merely on some distorted view. If you in fact attended more than even one of these meetings then you would know what your saying has no merit
I hope for your sake that not even one person reading your comments was turned off from attending a meeting they need.ok from what i understand blood before it gets to your heart is blue after it is red(oxygen)…which is why when looking for a vein to to inject for any reason they look for a blue one because it goes to your heart otherwise it defeats the purpose
@ff you wrote that in Baltimore it is not a major issue…so you obviously don’t know because it is a major issue in Baltimore. I will take back saying that its bigger than my or Lakewood because quite frankly that’s impossible for me to know and considering the amount of frum people in both those places compared to Baltimore odds are it’s bigger there…however to say that in Baltimore it is not a major issue either you are uuninformed or uneducated in the matter either way you can’t begin to talk on the subject matter.
how about mentioning the third candidate…or is this onky about bashing hikind? maybe hes more qualified than both yeger amd hikind.
@freddyfish…because while youve been there for 20 yrs ive been there for over 30 and am involved with trying to helpimg in this issue…so pleass dont talk when you obviously do not know.
from opiom plants..
meno…it is not a nice way of saying drugs it is a root form of a certain genre of drugs….for example if someone were to say grapes are an issue to include different types of wine….opiods come from a plant and is the main ingrrdient if differeny types of painkillers(percacet, oxycontin, fentanyl ect)…its also what heroin comes from…
is that a joke? baltimore probably has one of the biggest issues per capita
ubitquin, what u fail to be having is perspective…what I wrote is not fake halacha on any stretch….it is very intimidating for a person to walk into a shul that he has never been to(maybe not for everyone but that doesn’t matter)…a person is sometimes even more nervous and shy to take a seat so the halacha is we don’t want to make them more uncomfortable…it doesn’t matter what you paid for and it doesn’t matter how you do it because you will never be able to know exactly how that person feels….and if your rave is not well versed in “fake halacha” then I suggest you find a new rav…..
ubitquin and others….im sorry if I wasn’t clear when I said there is no debate and that it is completely assur and made it sound like i was giving my opinion…what I meant to say is it is straight up assur that is not an opinion it is a fact….i will try to find the makur or you can ask your rav.. but there is no question that under no circumstances are you allowed to tell someone they are in your seat regardless of how long you’ve sat there or how much you paid or anything else….again not an opinion it’s an issur….
btw I’m pretty sure it’s straight up in mishnah bruah.
there is nothing to debate and a shul does not need to make a takanah. it is absolutely assur to ask someone to move from your seat regardless of wether you are late or not. exactly for the reasons listed above, it makes the person uncomfortable. the entire Torah is based one major concept ” treat your fellow as though you would want to be treated”…making someone move is against everything we stand for and makom kavuah does not Trump that.
@Joseph yes it says you should check out the brothers….it does not say they need to be a talmud chochom….it is referring to their middos if that…and doesn’t make anything a requirement rather just saying if you want to know what your sons will be like look at her brothers….for the good the bad and the ugly
@mw13 what you fail to see is why a kid would experiment or “fall in with the wrong crowd”….ask any kid why they tried drugs or drinking for the first time and they will tell you the same thing , peer pressure….now why would a kid succumb to peer pressure? its because they want to feel accepted which then goes deeper into why they dont feel accepted which leads to much deeper issues that can be caused by a number of different things…abuse, ect……so to respond it’s not just because they experimented, they experimented because they were looking for an answer…..this needs honesty to see but it all leads the same way.it doesn’t mean everyone who experiments will now become an addict but it does mean anyone who is an addict found what they thought they were looking for in that experiment.
the problem here is the way the story was protested by the people telling it over here. rav kaniesvky is a gadol but the issue here is saying that there was some miracle done for this person in the form of the officer getting killed to save him from going to court and relating the story like that is wrong and distasteful. now if it was just protrayed to focus on the fact that the rav had Ruach hakodesh and that because of that we see his greatness that would be one thing but it wasn’t and that’s why people are not seeing that point and o my seeing the negative which I can’t blame them for……as far as the miracle here not knowing the facts on that guys case and from u understand the meaning of a miracl, this was not one. saying this does not take away from rav kanievsky greatness.
there is no solution is right…the only solution is when G-d decides that enough is enough and we go to all out war…anyone who believes that either side would be willing to have total peace does not understand the belief system of us or them. the reason the Palestinians are still where they are is because the other Arab countries refuse to take them in because if they did then they would all leave and the Israelis would have total control. as for the giving up land for peace thought that is one of the biggest debates put there and one major push why we don’t is because we are forbidden to give up land in eretz Israel for anything….bottomline there will never be peace between Arabs and Jews only periods of time where it may seem peaceful while the Arabs are looking for an opportunity to attack……the Jordanian politician said it a few days ago…if jihad was allowed by Jordan right now they would stomp on Israel…meaning there is no real peace just a waiting game, real peace is when both sides (?) have no interest is hurting the other.
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this is such a profound thought…im curious did you think of it yourself or did you hear the 10,000 people before you who said the same thing? I also take it your not that old otherwise you wouldn’t even ask this question.
not really sure what experts you are referring to considering small the comments are made by “experts”
daasyochid…I am not 100% but i believe it was started after the war to get the generation started again in yidishkeit not sure when the rabanim inacted the idea they thought it would end up like this….keep in mind large mainstream frum societies have been wrong before I beleive the netziv writes that the beis hamikdosh was destroyed because people werent making a bracha before learning he goes on to explain this was not because they werent talmid cachim but rather because they lost sight of what the learning was actually for …they were putting it in front of everything else while learning is important it doesnt come before DERECH ERETZ…it is not far fetched to say the same thing here even though we have a large consensus that believes one way they might actually be wrong…and I think most of you missed the biggest point here which rings very true in which haifa girls says ” I would rather share a husband then have none at all” and monsey fan the point that started this was the the takanah was for 2000 years and thats over maybe theres a reason it ended think about it
mdd: the misconception most of you have is that you think someone has to sit in kollel to be a talmid chacham what you dont realize is that kollel is a relatively new concept introduced within the last 100 yrs the chofetz chaim had a store he was a business man….you dont need to sit and learn all day to be a talmid chacham it just needs to be a priority of your time when you are not taking care of your life obligations of supporting and raising your family. obviously its not really working out so maybe its time to go back to the old. I am not saying that people shouldnt sit and learn if they are able but if for one second their wanting to sit and learn should become an unwanted(very important word here) Burden on anyone I dont beleive for one second its merited.
I am a 28 yr old single guy and dont come to this site often but stumbled upon this thread. i have a number of thoughts on this “situation” so bear with me and keep an open mind while you may not agree with all that I am saying understand I am from a frum more yeshivash family background whose very much machshiv torah and while I myself am working would go to no ends to help my future chirldren sit and learn because I beleive in that also realize that there are possible solutions as radical as they are.
First off to address why there are so many girls available I can tell you from experience for the most part its because they are misguided these girls have been told in seminary(ive heard this first hand from girls myself) that if a guy is not going to be sitting in kollel for at least a year or so after they are married there is something wrong with guy…now who says every girl is fit for a kollel guy in marriage and life a working uy can have the same Ideology without sitting and learning all day. These girls have it in their mind that this is the only way and dont realize till its too late that they are terribly wrong. Ive had girls say no to me because I am working I am 28 any guy that you would consider to marry even if he started to learn after marriage would be working by my age so whats the difference? and the guys that are sitting and learning at my age are usually for life and they are not interested in you(because not a good fit you are not that yeshivash!).
I can also tell you that besides for these misguided notions of learning boys you also have the girls who have demands other than that(too picky) years ago a girl would be thrilled when a guy came a calling let alone ask for marriage so where did this change? I am not saying that a girl should not be able to marry who she wishes but understand that there is a basic order(without being a sexist) I am not saying I havent done my share of NOs but then again I get read girls 3 times a week but I can tell you I have gotten more than my shares of NOs maybe I have issues i dont know but i do know I am a mentch so that should be priority number 1 for all girls.
Too say that there is no one to marry these girls I dont believe that I understand the numbers game but every girl I know has had probably two or three guys in their life that have come running after them with basic psychology these girls runaway from these guys I truly believe every girl has had a chance to get married but turned it downed because the guy didnt play it right. I can tell you first hand a number of stories where the girl couldnt stand the guy and eventually they got married and live happily. basically these girls need to take a step back and look at life as a whole and see where their priorities lie and get off their high horse and start being realistic like weve been saying the whole time theres a million fish in the sea so why would a guy settle for a whale!?
Now for the way controversial part 🙂 weve had a takanah for 2000 years about polygamy(which happened to end a few years ago) maybe theres a reason rabenu gershon set it for 2000 years maybe its not a coincidence that it just ended….Now I know all the arguments so save your breath…try handling one wife?…its a minhag we dont change minhagim….like I said its radical idea but can you argue it wouldnt solve this numbers game? forget about any pros and cons that you can bring it was done for a long time and was endorsed by god himself who knows maybe if yackov avenu was narrow minded rochel emeinu would be one of these girls we are talking about. i am not saying this an ideal solution but would love to hear responses to this.
anyways thats just the tip of my iceberg enjoy the reading and looking forward to getting blasted its good thing this is anonymous(it is right?) otherwise I may never get another shidduch.