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I dont think “ddd” will pater up someone from paying.
Geshmakman – By any chance are you a manufacturer?
aries – I am not arguing with you whether there is a problem with kids/adults getting drunk for no reason. All my point is, that not allowing kids to have wine at kiddush, or not allowing bouchrim from have a lchaim at the seudah, is not what will prevent them from going free on thier own. I dont think these few kids that go on their own and intoxicate themselves is because thier parents let the have a spoonful of wine by kiddush, cause if that was the cause you would have a lot more. And what makes you think that by not allowing them to have wine at kiddush will stop them from sneaking? I strongly think that these kids would go on thier own regardless of what they were taught. This that I brought in the fact that my father is a hatzolh member is just to point out that even though he has gone on pently of such calls , It didnt change the fact that he allowed us to have wine by kiddush, and a lchaim. Why, because he taught us when, and how alchohal should be used.
It may be best to contact a rov regarding this.
Mods – PLEASE!
aries – What type of crowd are you dealing with? I am still convinced this is not nogayah to the litvishe crowd.
I think everyone should be this way!
I don’t understand the depth of the question, Why not?
tmb – lol!
aries – What type of croud are you dealing with? litvish? And BTW my father is a hatzoloh member.
aries – When I grew up I was taught the chasivus of wine and shnaps, I was taught how its only for kiddush and lchaim, Yes – the wine bottle stayed on the table the entire seudah, and was only used for kiddush, a lchaim, and bentching. No one helped themselves to it without the parents aknowledment. Why? Because thats what we were taught, I am I a an alcohalic because my parents let me have controlled amounts? no i am not. There is no reason why children would not listen to this rather than any other thing that they are mechanech them about. Are the kids going to turn on a light on shabbos behind thier parents back? No, why because the parents taught them not to, and kids listen to thier parents. So if the parents teach thier kids when amd how alchohol is supposed to be consumed than they will listten. (obviously we are not taliing about rebelious kids that dont listen anyways.) where as if the parents shelter their kids from any alcholoic everages, how are the kids when they grow older know the reponsibilities of when and how much should be drunken.
havesomeseivhel – lol!!
pba – Thats my point!
I do not know of any parent that dont let thier kids have ANY alchohol. Do you not let your kids have some kiddush wine? Do you not let your kids have a l’chaim? Do you not let your kids drink some beer whe by a sholom zochor per se? you mean that all parents that let thier kids have controlled amount of alcholol are being Irresposible? I disagree bigtime. I think that It is the only way how to teach your kids the reponsibility of alcholol is with you controling it age wise. For example when under bar mitzvah maybe only wwine, over bar mitzvah shnaps… Otherwise if we totaly ban alchohol from our kids then they will just go behind our backs, and they wont know the limit, however by teaching them the limit it will be a worthwhile invesment.
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yakov – If you would have seen my thread about hats being worn brim down, you would understand why im calling it that.
arc – my point is going back on aries post
mod 80 – what i am saying is, i dont see any reason why loopholes are kineged halacha. they are perfectly fine to do.
arc – I think if we intrust our childrens rabbiem to be mechanech them on the proper derech, they most definetly fall into the category of a gurdian.
mod 80 – Whats a loophole different, loopholes are muttar?
maybe like always its called “ayin horah”
not I – what is a kollel budget mean if he commutes to work?
Yes, I would like to know what you say about parents serving alchohol to thier kids. The resaom why I ask is because your making it sound like a rebbi has no heter, and according to that I dont see why a parent should be any different?
What type of hat? Up hat, Brim Down Hat., Homburg, Shtrimel, Kangol?
Speak to any hatzoloh member, im sure they have plenty…
Where in the CR?
aries – Whats about parents, do they have a heter to ingore that?
Is there anything wrong with shoveling out all the snow from around, on your car into the road?
havesomeseichel – I think there was once a thread defining greasy.
labubby – phili is americonishe yishivish, and slamowitz is a bit greasy, and pretty yishvish
most gresay probaly stamford, most yeshivish fallsburg
Ok new question – What is the best shprach/zug you’ve ever heard? In Yiddish, English or Hebrew
how about rephrase the question, does anyone not have school on wed.