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Bullying is abuse, physical or mental or both and is prohibited by multiple Torah commandments, However widespread, it must stop.
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Just because something is allowed by din goyim does not mean it is allowed by Torah… like not oppressing your fellow.
How can the woman sleep at night knowing that the feeder is upsetting her neighbor?How could anyone continue to do what annoys someone else
take them to din Torah, even if the neighbors are not Jewish, it can work.
or if their property is big, ask them to locate the feeder at the other end and see if that too is annoying.There are some people here who think they can study other religions and including qristianiy!
What misled individuals they are, teetering on the brink, disobeying Hashem, thinking there are no consequences, damaging their inner selves- and likely their outer selves, AND also misleading other people!
Some people even allow some idols! Gevalt! No!
They forgot to read their own real Holy book, to see that cults are banned, there is no suggestion of any kind to check out anything other than authentic Yiddishkeit.
They are trolls, get them off the www, now!All cults twist the truth which relates to how they perceive the One and only Supreme power, they change in their own minds to another object their appropriation of the Ultimate Power and deny Hashem’s power, even if they deceitfully call in Hashem’s name, despite Hashem’s Power being absolute, They are idolators and cultists, the same thing.
You trolls, as if you were born yesterday, get a grip, get a conscience.
Shut the ‘innocent’ questions!.We are not permitted to study cults, other religions, other philosophies-that is a fact derived from Torah
‘make no mention of the names of other gods; they shall not be heard on your lips.’Vayikra 23.13‘Most cults never heard of the Torah’- we don’t know that for sure, but the cults, all cults are still forbidden.
True beliefs exclude cults.
Judaism is the only true belief. Torah emes.‘one who changes even one letter of Torah is as if he denied the whole Torah’ from Rambam
Devorim 4.2 ‘ You shall not add anything to what I command you or take anything away from it’- the Torah. Yes cults change Torah to suit themselves, they disrespect Hashem.
The ess;;;ines, collective ownership, communism, theft, not Judaism.
etc etc
We are not permitted to study cults, other religions, other philosophiessome may have originally been based on true beliefs that were then forgotten and became idolatry, and If anyone or a group, changes any aspect of the Torah or of the Seven Noachide laws it is then denying Hashem, so they are also minim.
A cult is based on lies.
minim are cults-belief in different entities other than Hashem, as supposedly having powers.Judaism is not a cult, the Torah defines what exactly is a cult.
INVENT NOT INVITE!!! or choose their own gods instead of the ONE TRUE GOD
yes, all false gods are invented or designated and so invented as false gods to belligerently worship, so inventing by designation is a real thing and has a lot to do with cults.-its own gods=idolatry
cult that venerates an idea or a cause- they all do, they invent or choose their own gods instead of the ONE TRUE GOD‘However, each nation continued to make its own gods and to set them up in the cult places which had been made by the people of Samaria; each nation [set them up] in the towns in which it lived’- from II Kings 17:29
Emunah is essential in Yiddishkeit, please use easily understood language, as some statements seem contradictory/unintelligible, please.
Minim are cults.my post was a general reply to several posters. btw coffeeroom/topic/is-there-any-difference-between-a-religion-and-a-cult… that is why distinctions ie definitions are important.
Judaism has the smallest numbers in the world, so numbers do not give weight to truth.
belief in artificial beliefs is idolatry
emuna is essential in JudaismOther religions-not the true Yiddishkeit- are ALL CULTS, and have become so-called ‘respected’ only in their cultist adherents’ minds, they are all cults and if you can’t see that, your conception of truth is damaged and distorted.
Religions other than Yiddishkeit(the true one) are all cults, please try to understand.
Judaism has not ‘evolved’, it is the same pure knowledge as the first day, and even well before the first day. To say there is little hostility to differing interpretations of Hashem’s truth is not evidenced in reality because of the persistent hostility through the ages against Jews just because we belives in Hashem’s truth, the real Torah.
All religions other than Judaism are cults, they enslave the mind to lies to different degrees.
They propagate and enforce lies to varying degrees, using any means they happen to choose that are convenient to them at different times, in different situations. It is just that some of us have become used to the cults and call them religions- not a good way to think, you cannot elevate tuma.Who here is defending religions other than Judaism and the 7 Noahide laws?
All other religions are cults they are based on belief in non-existant g-ds, some of them so-called supernatural, some physical, they are all non-g-ds, null, void, cults, even when shrouded in societal respectability. Those revering ‘monotheism’ have it wrong,- to ascribe attributes to the G-D of Israel other than what those attributes are actually is also known as idolatry.
Anyone who imagins that in Judaism a person who brings back his own Jewish child is kidnapping is naive, completely unlearned.
No, each person has their own path.
And it should not deviate from the Torah.
That means a person if they need to, should pursue a living, a parnassah that does not contradict Torah.
Less time on the internet is the best policy.because I am unwell?
Get well!What has that to do with it?
Lonely at home- to cheer you up by distracting you?
Please reply.President Trump is against abortion. not bad, but good!
he explained properly why
yes he didand the death rate is high
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that’s right‘“Interesting that it helped hospitalized patients’
Ubi writing about hydroxychloroquine-
“Interesting that it helped hospitalized patients where common refrain had been that it is too late, and no mention of Zinc.”me -I think that patients are “random” according to their status, just people with heads attached to bodies., sufficiently valid for comparison.
I can understand that.
The expert I referred to above in a youtube video explained properly why Dr. Zelenko’s stats have been unfairly diminished, as his patients were all in the high-risk groups.
Further, the death rates have been much higher than reported as the way deaths are attributed to the different diseases on death certificates obscures the fact that if not for COVID, those people would still be alive.
Zinc.
ubi said ‘We don’t know ANYTHING about the other participants. not their age, not their comorbidities, nothing. Maybe they are all younger maybe all older maybe a mix. We don’t know.’
and he or she then said-
‘Interesting that it helped hospitalized patients where common refrain had been that it is too late, and no mention of Zinc.’
me -I think that patients are “random” according to their staus, just people with heads attached to bodies., sufficiently valid for comparison.
ALco the point is if you agree that hydroxychloroquine did help as you have admitted, then the zinc will give a better result if added, a greater number of people saved.
The Zelenko study was unfavourably skewered against his proposition, as the other participants outside his study were both low and high risk, but his were all high risk, according to a doctor on youtube.see-
‘Scholz, Derwand, Zelenko COVID-19 HCQ study, explained’-the youtube video by Murray WisemanIn a study: “Of 8075 patients with complete discharge data on 24th of May-
”A Belgian study with hydroxychloroquine and without zinc showed a 18% mortality, compared to 27% mortality without hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
Take the zinc too, save lives.me- so thousands died
this should not be minimized by stats, rates, because it is BIGme-
high mortality overall for covid
But there was a high mortality overall for covid, that is the point
not low if you are the victimyou-
low rate
try to lie less.-(try to take your own medicine)me- so thousands died
this should not be minimized by stats, rates, because it is BIG-Even in In USA from CDC, today-
‘Based on death certificate data, the percentage of deaths attributed to pneumonia, influenza, or COVID-19 (PIC) for week 35 is 6.6%. This is currently lower than the percentage during week 34 (10.7%); however, the percentage remains above the epidemic threshold and will likely increase as more death certificates are processed.’
zinc with the hydroxychloroquine, and check your heart with the doctor first
you -“No there wasn’t baruch Hashem the mortality rate is quite low.”
Not low, if you are a victim, where is your heart. Those are the facts. Thousands dying!
Some studies that have also used zinc, and hydroxychloroquine in the correct, not dangerous over the top doses, are available.
Others were deleted as they had flaws.
You are not a politician, are you?
In any case, shanah tova u mesuka!
“So how do you know the people in the study benefited from hcq.
Sure they didn’t die but neither did millions of others without hcq”But there was a high mortality overall for covid, that is the point..
A group not given the triple formula has a number which shows the significance of that mortality. Without any comparisons being needed to be made, it is a simple statistic.New topic:
The Zelenko study was unfavourably skewered against his proposition, as the other participants outside his study were both low and high risk, but his were all high risk, according to a doctor on youtube.
In a study: “Of 8075 patients with complete discharge data on 24th of May-
”A Belgian study with hydroxychloroquine and without zinc showed a 18% mortality, compared to 27% mortality without hydroxychloroquine and zinc.
Take the zinc too, save lives.(BTW, Dr Z is Lubavitsch, not I, for ideological reasons, I oppose it)
ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD HYDROXYCHLOROQINE DID NOT DIE, not just ‘most’, IN THE STUDY, TRUE,
in the study, they were given the med.
read it, ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD HYDROXYCHLOROQINE DID NOT DIE, not just ‘most’ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD HYDROXYCHLOROQINE DID NOT DIE, not just ‘most’
in the study, they were given the med
so that you would ask“Most people who had covid did not die .
That includes people who did not get HCQ.”NO, ALL PEOPLE WHO HAD HYDROXYCHLOROQINE DID NOT DIE.
You:The Saudi Arabia study didnt even look at death rate.
BUT, No negative outcomes were found. NO, NONE, ZERO deaths.
“Can you just look below the surface? They did not die.”
The idea is to put patients on Dr. Zelenko’s protocol to reduce the death rate. This is a considerable number, saving a human is likened to saving a whole world.
I can’t say I would rely on some states to properly report, many from that state were excluded for various reasons.
Also, some very high doses of hydroxychloroquine were given, also without zinc.10% is a very huge number. Agreed?
It is Ellul, so I forgive you, even if you don’t want to ask for forgiveness, I forgive, because there could be unknown reasons for you writing in this way, and also for accusing me of lying in one of your previous posts, I have forgiven.
Yes, I did read the whole Saudi Arabia study.
“The study looked at whether it was tolerated. And it showed that it was. Please keep the studies straight.”
Can you just look below the surface? They did not die.
What stops you from seeing that, when a certain percentage of them, statistically, would have been expected to die.
Death is not an insignificant block to safety.
Do you not think the aim of the study was not written with that in the back of the study’s
methodologist’s minds?
That was the whole point, but it was framed ane worded in an understated way.with clinical symptoms
“The Saudi Arabia study, in the end, had 1,555 suspected COVID infected participants with clinical symptoms. They all survived.”
It supports Dr. Zelenko’s protocol.OK , they did not die.
“The Saudi Arabia study, in the end, had 1,555 suspected COVID infected participants with clinical symptoms. They all survived.”
It supports Dr Zelenko’s protocol.
Yes, despite you ubi, Hashem is still in control.repeating-
The Saudi Arabia study, in the end, had 1,555 suspected COVID infected participants with clinical symptoms. They all survived.
It “may save more lives” because as I have written, each case is an individual and not a statistic, and Hashem only, not statistics, (which Hashem also controls) determines the fate of each individual.
therefore, repeating-
The Saudi Arabia study, in the end, had 1,555 suspected COVID infected participants with clinical symptoms. They all survived.
Dr. Zelenko’s formula with hydroxychloroquine, zinc, and antibiotic, in the doses he prescribed, are good and safe for most people and may save more lives than doing nothing.
Patients treated with three-drug regimen by Dr. Zelenko:
1- hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2- azithromycin 500mg once a day for five days
3- zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for five daysCONCLUSION – TREAT AS EARLY AND AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE IN THE OUTPATIENT SETTING
The Saudi Arabia study, in the end, had 1,555 suspected COVID infected participants with clinical symptoms. They all survived.
COVID is an emergency situation, because we cannot predict the future or the outcome at any given moment.
It may result in blood clots or not, but in either case, it can be fatal.The Saudi Arabia study (google these words): “Hydroxychloroquine Safety Outcome within Approved Therapeutic Protocol for COVID-19 Outpatients in Saudi Arabia”, shows a very favorable outcome, no fatalities, a larger number of people in the study than Dr Zelenko’s study, though it did not match exactly the dosage with hydroxychloroquine and zinc (plus there was no antibitoic) that Dr. Zelenko”‘s study prescribed.
Please see and google (as links are not allowed) a new study from Saudi Arabia “Hydroxychloroquine Safety Outcome within Approved Therapeutic Protocol for COVID-19 Outpatients in Saudi Arabia”.
No comment on this?
“no because We are still on Dr Zelenko’s study. And I’m not sure how it changes his outcome.”Patients treated with three drug regimen by Dr Zelenko:
1- hydroxychloroquine 200mg twice a day for 5 days
2- azithromycin 500mg once a day for five days
3- zinc sulfate 220mg once a day for five daysCONCLUSION – TREAT AS EARLY AND AS AGGRESSIVELY AS POSSIBLE IN THE OUTPATIENT SETTING
But in the above-mentioned study from Saudi Arabia (excerpt from the study):
:A standardised prescription form was written and distributed within the written treatment protocol. The prescription list hydroxychloroquine for five days duration, 400mg twice for day one, followed by 200mg twice daily for the remaining duration. The prescription also includes zinc sulphate 60mg orally once daily for five days, paracetamol and antihistamine. The prescription did not include azithromycin into it.”So they received 2 times the dose on the first day only, a dose of zinc that was approximately 1/3 of Dr Zelenko’s dose and no antibiotic. No deaths, bigger sample size.
So now:
“Ubi, would you yourself take the triple formula?”
Depends on the circumstance. Probably not, though If I felt desperate I would I’m not opposed to it.
Don’t leave it too late, the clots are waiting to set in and nothing seems to help then, has v sholom.Regardless of conditions (true many had conditions, but that is not WHY they were given HCQ but you cannot overlook the fact that perfectly healthy people have had COVID and have perished has v sholom.”
Absolutely true“your point was to find a doctor who would give you HCQ
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but if it didn’t work, then find another doctoe and continue prayingPlease see and google (as links are not allowed) a new study from Saudi Arabia “Hydroxychloroquine Safety Outcome within Approved Therapeutic Protocol for COVID-19 Outpatients in Saudi Arabia”.
No comment on this?I do not understand that you appear not to think that person’s mental state can be left on the shelf when considering holistic health in any disease situation.
COPD may be more intuitively a risk, but you cannot overlook the fact that perfectly healthy people have had COVID and have perished has v sholom.Age may not be a factor alone, it is the increased chance of developing “conditions” the longer one lives(as is seen in real life) but it is not necessarily a consequence of aging alone.
So did Dr. Zelenko actually have no patients 70 and over. If not why not?
Do you suggest a conspiracy?(no!)“Even if the “knife” is at us, we are not allowed to lose hope.”
I don’t understand the connection to this topic(says Ubi)It means regardless of statistics we are told by Torah to never give up as Hashem is still listening!
Dr Z treated patients” as they came”, he did not refuse treatment, it was not rigged, and he had “fewer” deaths, so even stats cannot hide a glimmer of hope.
The point is to go to a doctor and listen to him, if the cure is not forthcoming, go to another doctor and keep praying and so forth, just as is written in Torah.Ubi, would you yourself take the triple formula?
In the study group, for all participants, 70% had other diseases.
The distribution of each disease may have been different from the untreated group.
But there is an obligation to medicate younger people who have other diseases.
So age in itself is not a determining factor in treatment.And yes,
Hashem as He Alone is in control, this statement holds true, even Ubi agrees in another post. We cannot ignore science, but we have to see that science is not the final word, it is sometimes an indication. Were the people in the study mainly frum Jews? We do not know.
Even if the “knife” is at us, we are not allowed to lose hope.Even the scientists believe and observed the so called “placebo effect”. Which is a sugar pill, I think.
Dr Zelenlkp’s result was according to Hashem’s Will.
Please see and google (as links are not allowed) a new study from Saudi Arabia “Hydroxychloroquine Safety Outcome within Approved Therapeutic Protocol for COVID-19 Outpatients in Saudi Arabia”.
From a comment in the triple formula study(below the summary)-
“ there is a typo in the current version of the manuscript: the IQR is 40-67 and not 40-60. We will revise this and upload a version 2 as soon as possible.”- Received: 6 July 2020, From Commenter: Martin Scholz
It is not up as far as I can see(no version 2 written at the top)
The untreated group was “unhealthier” because they were not being treated.
We can’t say that age in itself is an influencing factor, it is the other conditions a patient has, at any age that is more likely to be an influencing factor,
but in the end, it is all up to Hashem as He Alone is in control.
Statistics are just a cover.
So the treatment was effective.Every “probability” calculation is hypothetical in relation to the prospective outcome for any individual using the therapy under scrutiny. And deaths do not follow statistics.
Ubi wrote-The study DID show a decrease in hospitalizations*,*Though as mentioned, there’s a flaw there too.”?