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Hard to decide which is more irrational (read silly): giving anyone cigarettes, or believing that the chosson’s friends have supernatural powers. Toss-up.
rationalParticipantI go to dentists who spell properly and check their comments before sending them.
September 4, 2019 12:38 am at 12:38 am in reply to: Your 21 year old son may be ready for marriage #1783739rationalParticipant“I don’t know of a single Litvish godol in the world that ever said not to get married at 18. If you know of any please advise who.”
” Chazal have harsh words for someone unmarried by age 21. ”The above are interesting statements that carry no weight.
After some research, here are some facts:
Age of Litvish Godol at his marriage:
Brisker Rov : 24
Rav Aharon Kotler: 22
Steipler Gaon: 28
Rav Schach: 26
Rav Moshe Feinstein: 27
Rav Chaim Kaniefsky: 24September 3, 2019 7:43 pm at 7:43 pm in reply to: Your 21 year old son may be ready for marriage #1783643rationalParticipant“The Brisker Rov was 16 by his engagement. Chazal have harsh words for someone unmarried by age 21. ”
Misleading.
The Brisker Rov married at age 24
Rav Chaim his father married at age 20.rationalParticipantI finished studying the comprehensive and lumdish analysis of this issue in Tehumin, volume 31, by Rav Fishman
The issues discussed were:
1. היוצא מן הטמא
2. דג טהור שנבלע בדג טמא
3. מי רגליים של חמור, גמל וסוס
4. היתר דבש דבורים
5. כבוש כמבושל
6.בל תשקצוMost of the topics discussed in the article were mentioned here, although obviously, not in detail. All suggestions made here (personal bal t’shaktzu, changing the taste of the coffee rendering it assur, and others ) were considered, so no one was off base in our amateur discussion.
Caveat: One can always be machmir. The question was is drinking this coffee permissible?
The conclusion was that the coffee is kosher and there is no issur of bal t”shaktzu. Muttar.
Even if we disagree on psak and lomdus, I venture we can all agree that this coffee is pricey.September 1, 2019 7:48 am at 7:48 am in reply to: Should Wedding gowns for the extended family be discontinued? #1781763rationalParticipantI find it sad that it costs $800 to rent a gown for a mechateiniste, close to the price of a good pair of precious tefillin. That’s a lot of money to appease social pressure and quite un-Jewish expectations. No criticism intended, just sad.
rationalParticipantWhen the Gedolei Olam speak speak and write in English only, this possibility can be discussed. To the best of my knowledge, not one of the following spoke or wrote in English. Rav Shteinman zt”l, Tav Elyashiv zt”l. Rav Shmuel Auerbach zt”l, Rav Kaniefsky, Rav Edelstein, Rav Deutsch, Rav Friedman, The Gerrer, Vizhnitz, and Belzer Rebbes, and more. Even native English speakers like Rav Hirsch and Rav Asher Weiss do not write Torah in English.
I highly suggest learning Hebrew and reading Hamodia and other papers in their original. I’m sure we all agree that there is nothing like the original. Yes, it’s tough to do, but it’s worth it. The non-Hebrew readers will always be only looking in through the outside glass at what is happening. Torah is in Hebrew, period.
rationalParticipantSince most (not all) of us here are approaching this issue from a “talking in learning” standpoint, without getting involved in personal or denominational innuendo, I’ll allow myself a momentary switch to the other side.
Indeed, bal t’shaktzu seems like a personal mental issur, where each person may have a different level of disgust for a certain product, rendering the issur highly subjective. However, we are used to the chachamim determining a measure of objectivity in many halachot, where the “average person” is the determiner, and outliers are disregarded, a “lo plug”. Therefore, it could very well be that this coffee is assur , as the average person spending $50 or so on a cup is well aware of the process and the process may be objectively m’shukatz. The fact that the drinker has adjusted mentally may not be enough to nullify a lo plug”
But then we are in trouble. Why then, according to some sources in this sugya, is donkey (or camel and horse
urine permitted ? (if it is assur, it is because of hayotze min… and not bal t’shaktzu) I don’t see it as being less disgusting than the civet coffee, maybe even more so. As another example, I have a relative who became vegetarian after seeing the “disgusting” process of shechitah . I venture that many many people would be similarly disgusted at what is seen in a shlachthois. Would they be forbidden to eat meat because of a personal bal t’shktzu? I don’t know, but I doubt it. I enjoy eating tongue, but I admit the thought of a tongue being cut out of the animal places me dangerously close to bal t’shaktzu. But I still eat it. Is this a problem? Hmm…Of course, we may end up with a simple solution. According to the personalized approach, anyone who wants to cough up that much money for a cup of this coffee is not disgusted and it is permitted. Anyone who is disgusted by it wouldn’t dream of spending the money. To each his own.
I have not finished studying the article in Tehumin 31 (page 488? Rav Fishman authoring), but I’ll chime in again when I do.
August 30, 2019 7:51 am at 7:51 am in reply to: Your 21 year old son may be ready for marriage #1781533rationalParticipantI believe very strongly that encouraging 21 year old boys to get married is just going to exasperate the problem.
I am exasperated by the exacerbation of ignorance of the English language here.
rationalParticipantI am in the middle of reading a long piece in Tehumin 31 on this topic. I’ll follow up when I finish.
In the meantime, bal teshaktzu is definitely a player here, but the coffee is unlikely to be forbidden because of this. The coffee bean looks normal, and certainly the coffee is not mi’us, on the contrary, it is supposed to be splendid. The disgusting aspect is only in the preparation and not in the product. The coffee drinker is not exposed to anything that would be considered m’shukatz, and based on this specific consideration, there is no issur bal teshaktzu and the coffee is permitted
rationalParticipantInteresting question. My assumption would be that civet coffee is not kosher, as the civet is not a kosher animal. היוצא מן הטמא , טמא. Since the coffee attains its special properties from its travels through the animal, the bean would not be considered an independent product, but rather a product of the animal.
Argon oil, if processed by goat droppings, would be kosher, as the goat is a kosher animal. היוצא מן הטהור, טהור
rationalParticipantWhy are you wearing a kipah srugah?
August 15, 2019 2:54 pm at 2:54 pm in reply to: Should Wedding gowns for the extended family be discontinued? #1775505rationalParticipant“Unless some sort of rabbinic directive is given it will be too embarrassing for people to stop getting gowns. It’s become too much of a given at every chasunah.”
Thank you for this post, the issue is clear to me now. This custom is simply a result of social pressure started by the monied who need to flaunt their wealth. It is against everything taught in the Torah world, as it glorifies materialism for materialism’s sake. And everyone is embarrassed into complying. How Jewish.
In Israel, this unbecoming custom is unheard of. One will not see it among the yeshivish, chassidish or dati leumi. Only in America, the land of chitzonius.
rationalParticipantNo criticism intended. I am amused that one can write a long paragraph on learning styles today without using the word “Brisk”. Go figure.
rationalParticipantDavid Y, well done.
They were called the Karaites, and they still existrationalParticipantIt is a Mishnah in Masechet Ta’anit, Perek 4, Mishnah 8
אמר רבן שמעון בן גמליאל: לא היו ימים טובים לישראל כחמשה-עשר באב וכיום הכיפורים, שבהן בני ירושלם יוצאין בכלי לבן שא[ו]לים, שלא לבייש את מי שאין לו – כל הכלים טעונים טבילה – ובנות ירושלם יוצאות וחולות בכרמים. ומה היו אומרות: שא נא עיניך, בחור, וראה מה את בורר לך; אל תתן עיניך בנוי תן עיניך במשפחה
rationalParticipantRead the thread again, it’s easy to spot
rationalParticipantThe list of segulahs is massive, seemingly endless. Most of them are intended to assist in providing children (including all necessary preparations leading up to it), health and financial prosperity (בני, חיי ומזוני) There are books filled with segulahs that are easily purchased. Some people believe in them , some less, some live by them and some completely avoid them.
rationalParticipantSwordfish were eaten by Jews in the Mediterranean countries for over 350 years. In the early 1900s they were also eaten in the U.S. In the early 1950s a prominent U.S. Rabbi paskened they were forbidden, and much controversy ensued.
Partly because the Conservative movement approved the fish, the Orthodox vehemently opposed it. This psak l’chumra was never accepted in Israel, yet as time passed fewer restaurants and stores were willing to sell it, and one cannot find it here anymore. Its scarcity contributes to the general feeling that it is tzu pas nisht. However, one can find yesteryear poskim who approved it.In answer to LightBrite’s question, yes, there are a few well-known and some not well-known experts on this subject. When a company or individual wants to market a new fish or four-legged animal, the question goes to the experts at the OU, the Edah Chareidis, the Chief Rabbinate in Israel and Orthodox academic authorities to discuss the issue. Sometimes they agree and sometimes they do not. The aim is to achieve a consensus opinion one way or the other, cooperation which is good for klal yisrael.
All of the information above can easily be found online. I have access to one of the experts on these issues, so I have heard much of it from him.
I suggest avoiding attacking Rav Hershel Schachter, one of the truly great Torah scholars and poskim of our generation. It reflects very poorly on the attacker and displays great ignorance. When asked a question in learning or psak, Rav Schachter answers with full intellectual honesty. OU public policy and corporate considerations will not enter a personal discussion with him, and anyway, are governed by different rules.
rationalParticipantThe Agudas Yisrael political party is an integral part of the management of the Zionist State called Israel. There are Agudah Ministers and Vice-Ministers, mayors and city councilman, attorneys and accountants who work for and mange Affairs of State. It is most fitting that it’s American counterpart Agudas Yisrael of America fight for Zionism.
rationalParticipantThere is a kabalah (Rabi Tzadok Hacohen) that eating from a seudat pidyon haben is equivalent to fasting 84 days, which is a segulah for atonement (kaparat avonot, Rav Chaim Vital). The remez is פדיום = פ”ד יום. In order to partake in the seudah and reap the benefits, it is enough to eat even a slight amount of food, provided the food has a noticeable taste. Since garlic and sugar have distinct tastes, there is a minhag to hand out garlic and sugar at a pidyon. That way a large number of people can benefit at a very small cost.
rationalParticipantThese are the “famous” people with whom I have had one-on-one meetings or discussions and only in private, never in public. Some meetings were for up to an hour, and many I met with more than once, all one-on-one:
In alphabetical order, lest anyone be offended:
Rav Ben Zion Abba Shaul
Rav Shlomo Zalman Auerbach
Rav Yosef Elyashiv
Rav Shneur Kotler
Rav Yitzchak Ruderman
Rav Eliezer Menachem Man Schach
Rav Yosef Dov Soloveitchik
Rav Yitzchak Yaakov Weiss (the Minchas Yitzchak)
Rav Eliezer Waldenberg (the Tzitz Eliezer)rationalParticipant“ADHD is commonly diagnosed so that schools will receive state special education funds.”
So too in Israel, particularly in Chareidi schools.
rationalParticipantIndeed, Rw Shlomo Zalman zt”l held that it was 45 degrees Celsius.
Machon Tzomet manufactures their Shabbat devices with this psak in mind, and because of the nature of thermostats, allows for a small error. Therefore, they set their products at a maximum of 40 degrees Celsius (104 degrees F).
I’ll add that the halachah does not say אצבע סולדת בות but rather יד סולדת בו , indicating that any part of the hand that would recoil is considered too hot. Essentially, this criteria determines an upper limit. Once the hand recoils, it’s already too hot, so it’s best to be cautious and set the temperature less than the limit.
One more thing. One cannot compare air temperature to being immersed in water. A human can survive very hot or very cold air temperatures, but not water. At a water temperature of 50-60 degree F, one can lose consciousness within a few hours. On the warmer side of the scale, cells start to die at a water temperature of 106 F.
rationalParticipantI wasn’t there, but maybe the gentile cut the line, and so the chossid yelled at him. That would be his right.
The fact that his child was littering is irrelevant. Try stopping your kids from throwing their empty bag of pretzels on the ground. Good luck. Make them pick it up, yes.
I’m not sure what is so dramatic hererationalParticipantIs a frum yid allowed to go on birthright?
Of course he is, but he’ll be uncomfortable, out of place, and will wish he hadn’t.
Permitted, yes. Recommended? Very much no.July 23, 2019 7:46 am at 7:46 am in reply to: What are any issues with serving a role in Conservative Shule? #1763394rationalParticipantThe Conservative movement has been on the wane for decades. Just like the period when Shuls were taking over abandoned churches, it makes sense for Orthodox minyanim to use Conservative shul property (basement, social hall, etc…) for Orthodox minyanim, and eventually buy out the building itself, creating a new Orthodox shul. For this purpose, the edict not to enter a Conservative (or Reform, for that matter) shul is irrelevant and certainly does not apply. To claim that by doing this the Orthodox contingent would be tempted to join the Conservative movement is laughable.
I see here that this process is actually happening in certain communities, and it is perfectly acceptable.On another level, attending a celebratory event in a social hall of a Conservative shul does not in any way lend legitimacy to the Conservative Movement.
July 22, 2019 8:21 am at 8:21 am in reply to: What are any issues with serving a role in Conservative Shule? #1762405rationalParticipantThe poskim who forbid entering a Conservative shul do so because they were raised in the period where Conservative Jewry was considered a threat to Orthodoxy. Since that is no longer the case, it should not surprise anyone that this once forbidden act is viewed today with greater leniency.
rationalParticipantwhite is not a pure color
but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.rationalParticipantwhite is not a color
but then again, neither is black or tan or brown.rationalParticipantwhite is not a color
rationalParticipantI hope the assistant teaching job you have is in lumidei kodesh, and I hope your parents are very wealthy.
Otherwise, your English skills are so poor that I doubt that you would be able to support a learning boy for very long.rationalParticipantI empathize with this father and his emotions, but unfortunately, he did knock the Orthodox system.
It would have been more appropriate to point out that one can be just as proud even if one sits in a different section.L’havdil, was a certain person any less proud of her spouse Mr. T.B. when he won the Super Bowl even though this person was not physically in the huddle with him? There’s time afterwards for celebrating together. In shul, as on the playing field, play by the rules which have stood the test of time.
rationalParticipantI don’t think you are mature enough to get married
rationalParticipantIt’s interesting that the yeshivishe veldt has almost seamlessly adopted the modern/haskalah/gentile system of education with formal schooling, large classes, tests , grades, and an uncompromising need to “maximize the child’s success in school.” This capitulation to modern Western society norms is most surely not what the Torah had in mind. But it is what it is, the haskalah movement has won this battle hands down.
The result is that we are now chasing this non-Jewish ideal by way of turning our children into drug dependents. Maybe a re-evaluation of the entire system is in order.
July 9, 2019 7:50 am at 7:50 am in reply to: Deducting Stars in Your Online Review: What is Proper Consumer Practice? #1754423rationalParticipantThe obvious solution is to notify the company, wait till they respond appropriately (or not), and only then to evaluate the product and service.
rationalParticipantIf there were a halachic concept of צורה של איסור, it would be found in shas and rishonim. It is most likely a hashkafic concept created by one side in the Great Hashkafah War we are now engaged in.
It is obvious that the whole beard issue is only pseudo-halachic. It is actually a hashkafah issue. It is chassidim vs. misnagdim, mesorah vs. haskalah, American vs. European, zionist vs. anti-zionist and all of them together. The coffee room is just one of the battlegrounds, albeit not a level one.
rationalParticipantI am going to violate my rule of not responding on a personal level, as I have deep respect and admiration for the Wolf.
Dear Wolf,
With the utmost respect, I maintain that you are the exception who proves the rule. I don’t doubt there are many like you. However, I have seen many daf yomis, individual learners, group learners, possibly hundreds of them. All good and even pious people. The vast majority have a solid yeshiva education from first grade through the great litvishe roshei yeshiva. Almost (not all, but almost all) have slowly or quickly took the lazy road to advance in a given mesechta.
The varied interpretations of the gemara, the rashis, the tosfot, and the rishonim are passed through the fine artscroll filter. The giver of the daf yomi barely prepares, what for? It’s all explained and can be given over on the fly. When I see a person learning from an artscroll gemara, he is almost surely not even looking at the side of the tzurat hadaf. These have been my observations since the first editions came out, and it has become ever prevalent.So, I apologize if I offended you, it was unintentional. But for the generation that grew up without it, the artscroll has been the Waze of learning. One need not know where one is, one just needs to follow the prescribed instructions. I am of the opinion that on the grand scale, serious Torah learning has suffered as a result.
rationalParticipantI would appreciate an answer to this question:
I have been told by a born and bred and bona fide Lakewood talmid chochom, that the local minhag is that a bochur stays clean-shaven with an (approved) electric shaver, but after he marries, he grows a beard. Is this true?
rationalParticipantThe Artscroll Talmud has entered almost every frum home and is used by almost everyone. The result is a deterioration in the quality and depth of understanding in all areas of Torah study, from Mishna and Gemara, through Poskim and Shutim. I doubt there is a way back.
rationalParticipantOne can tell when a prepared list easily found on the (more assur than shaving) internet is used in an argument. Some of the names are misspelled, and most have identical hashkafos, making it easy to compile long and impressive lists that carry little if any weight and convince no one.
One may just as well find the list of Neturei Karta Rabbonim or other group, all pious and God-fearing individuals to forbid voting in elections. Or to forbid human hair sheitels, or the use of shabbos clocks, or opening the refrigerator on Shabbos or davening without a gartel, or putting laces in shoes, and the list goes on.
This method of persuasion is ineffective and irrational. It is appropriate for early adolescence. Except that even early adolescents should know never to dare utter any word that taints the great and holy Reb Moshe zt”l. Afra L’pumei.
June 30, 2019 8:50 am at 8:50 am in reply to: Is preparing all girls for marriage contributing to the Shidduch Crisis? #1749351rationalParticipant“What if having less women on the Shidduch market would narrow the dating pool”
Please read what you write before posting.
This suggestion or even thought is outrageous.The Jewish people survive because men marry women and the women bear children. Any deviation from this basic tenet is dangerous to the continuity of the Jewish people. Everything else is secondary.
rationalParticipantAlmost all mehadrin restaurants here in Israel have websites and customer reviews. Most customers give good or excellent reviews , not all. The owner provides this website and is most interested in all reviews. The good ones that develop his clientele, and the bad ones so he can improve his product and service. This system is universally accepted and used, and loshon hara in this system has never been an issue. Yes. the halachah is always the halachah, period. This system, agreed upon and accepted by all, does not contravene any halachah. But incorrect interpretations of the halachah of loshon hara can damage both the consumer and provider, and that would be against halachah , and more than one at that.
Shabbat Shalom from Eretz Hakodesh
rationalParticipantOhevet Yisroel is absolutely right, I’ll just add something.
Restaurant owners need exposure for their businesses to succeed, word of mouth is not enough anymore. Most places are pleasant enough and many are wonderful places to dine. The good owner wants to be graded on his restaurant because he puts effort into it and knows people will like it and recommend it to others.Let the public have its’ say, and everyone will benefit. The fear of loshon hara here is a lose-lose situation. The customer loses because he doesn’t know the place is good, and the business owner doesn’t get to publicize that objective customer like his place.
rationalParticipantGee whiz, if the outcome of shteiging in yeshiva in America is that the boys are fully emotionally equipped to kill, I suggest closing all the yeshivas. I cannot speak for the esteemed PuhLease, but I suggest he ignore the comments of those who have little to no knowledge of psychology, including the comment to which I am referring.
rationalParticipantIf they are not worth the money, don’t buy them.
rationalParticipantIt makes sense to avoid holding hands in public so as not to indicate whether a woman is a niddah or not. However, that is applicable to everyday life and not to a wedding. At a wedding the opposite is true. Most , if not all couples try to avoid a chuppas niddah and the assumption is that the kallah is never a niddah. If the choson does not hold her hand, the onlookers (and everyone is looking) may assume she is a niddah. Is that what we want? No, we want the opposite. So, hold her hand, it’s normal and desirable on all accounts.
In addition, a couple where the woman is in her fifties or older can never be in a state of niddah. Therefore, there should be no issue with an elderly couple holding hands in public. Besides, any male who is thinking about whether any woman of any age is a niddah or not needs psychological help.
June 21, 2019 9:46 am at 9:46 am in reply to: Siyum Hashas – Inclement Weather – What Happens? #1745312rationalParticipantIf HKBH sends a blizzard, then the party was not meant to be.
rationalParticipantIt is very sad that the American Frum Community (or a very large percentage of it) speaks only English, a language foreign to yiddishkeit, and their (not there) English is poor to boot. A Jew should be fluent in modern Hebrew , spoken by ALL frum Jews in EY, including Neturei Karta, Briskers, and Chassidim.
In addition, a Jew should be fluent in Yiddish, the spoken language of Ashkenazic Jewry for hundreds of years, and a wonderful facilitator of bonding. I myself greatly regret not having learned Yiddish.
But Yiddish at the Siyum Hashas? I’m all for it.rationalParticipantIt’s virtually impossible to enter Arab towns by mistake. In Yehudah V’shomron, there are very clear signs indicating forbidden entry to these towns, and there are usually soldiers and/or blockades that will prevent it. Besides, Waze is excellent here, follow waze and you will be fine.
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