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PAA:
You’re right. But, given that his grandfather had
done more, what else could he have said?
I’ve heard that washing in honor of Shabbos should be done after
1 (relative) hour before chatzos.
TakenUsername:
(I am not familiar with very much Gemara – I looked that one up specifically.)
A marriage is not either party’s sole responsibility – if one party is not a part of it, the other party cannot be expected to carry on regardless, though they can if they want to. Likewise, a woman may be a condition for her husband’s spirituality, but it cannot be demanded of her alone. Obviously, excelling in one’s own duties is commendable, but I assume it would be foolish to carry on in certain situations.
I would not advise someone as to whether or not they should demand a divorce – that is beyond me. In your case, however,
the question is more along the lines of “How guilty might I be for consenting to divorce?” In which case, the best course of action should be ascertained through consultation with experts,
and after that, I think you’re in the clear.
Lior:
(What you mean is “your child’s spirituality (and sanity),” right?)
A child who is a toddler at the time of the divorce will not be nearly as affected as an older child would be, and remaining unhappily married is no guarantee of a child’s future. It’s not about “staying together for the kids’ sake,” it’s about “learning to live with each other for the kids’ sake,” and if that’s not possible, you cut your losses and go.
ivory:
Why is it any sillier than… never mind.
LVT:
“To the person that asked for the story here it is, i texted the wrong number and it came to some old granny who had about five cats near her and they were all growling at once and it was toxic yom tuv.”
I want to know how you knew who the person you accidentally
texted was and what was going on around them.
Also, what on Earth is “toxic yom tuv?”
I doubt you’re serious, LVT, but you can just go down to the shop
and look around – video games have descriptions and content ratings on the boxes. If you want to know about quality, check reviews sites – or, if you want recommendations from us, say so.
If you’ve got a DS, I’m a fan of Metroid Fusion (one of Metacritic’s highest-rated games for the Game Boy Advance – I’m assuming your version of the DS can play GBA games, I vaguely remember something about some versions not being able to).
jewboy1:
You’re probably referring to the original “Grand Theft Auto,” now often known as “Grand Theft Auto 1.” Even that had pretty severe ratings (including an M from the ESRB), and you apparently didn’t notice the violence, or consider getting points for criminal activities a problem – for example, running people over, with more points if you do it in a stolen police car! (Note: I’m not giving my opinion – I’m just sure some people, particularly frum Jews, would consider this a problem.) Later entries in the series… wait, why am I addressing a (probable) troll?
(I hardly looked at the first page of this thread.)
PAA:
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The Gemara relates that when Chizkiyahu was sick, he asked H’ to heal him based on a kal vachomer: ??? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ????. Now if the kid had actually died then Chizkiyahu would have a kal vachomer even if his ??? ??? hadn’t done anything more than the Shunamite, beacause he was only asking to be healed, not to be resurrected.”
What exactly would that kal vachomer be?
“If you resurrected her son, you can surely heal me?”
That’s not a kal vachomer. A kal vachomer is as follows: When we see that something is done in a situation where there is little reason for it, then in a situation where there is more reason for it, all the more so should it be done! But “you have done a greater thing” is not a reason that “you should do a lesser thing” – it is merely proof that you are capabable of the lesser thing.
Sigh… I thought we lived in the age of Google. Try searching for “patent process.” If you can’t (due to a filter), just say the word and someone will (probably) copy and paste the necessary information.
EDIT: I hadn’t seen HaLeiVi’s post before writing this, but I will disagree with him until he provides a source for his statement. Note that the Gemara uses the word “alav”, meaning “over him,” not “aleha”, “over her.”
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I hope this post will put at least some of your fear to rest.
First, my translation of the Gemara in question (Gittin 90b):
(The Gemara quotes a verse in Mal’achi, where the relationship between a husband and wife is used as a metaphor for the relationship between the Jewish People and Hashem, then gives two explanations of its meaning:)
Rabi Yehudah says: “If you hate her, send her away (that is, divorce her).”
Rabi Yochanan says: “The one who sends away is hated.”
[[Another version has Rabi Yochanan’s statement as follows:
Rabi Yochanan says: “If she is hateful before the Makom (Hashem),
send her away (that is, divorce her only if she is a sinner).”]]
(The Gemara explains:) They are not in argument – one speaks of a first marriage, the other of a second marriage (that is, divorcing one’s second wife is not considered as serious as divorcing one’s first wife), as Rabi El’azar said: “Anyone who divorces his first wife, even the Mizbeiach (Altar) sheds tears for him, as it says: (he quotes two consecutive verses from the same chapter in Mal’achi).
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It appears that the situation of one who divorces his first wife is a sad one, but this does not necessarily obligate you, as his wife, to attempt to prevent him from doing so.
The section of the Gemara that the above quotation comes from is a discussion of when a man has the right to divorce his wife.
This Gemara was meant to be learned by men, of course, and its message is meant for them. The Gemara does not talk about when a woman should agree to divorce (although there is a discussion of her right to demand it). As Lior mentioned, Rabbenu Gershom gave a woman the right to refuse divorce – but as far as the Gemara is concerned, it’s a man’s decision.
(The following is speculation: Rabbenu Gershom also decreed that a man may not have two wives. Putting the two together, it appears that his concern may have been that a man should not be able to cast his wife aside at will in favor of another woman.
Forcing him to get his wife’s consent before divorcing her, and rendering him unable to marry another woman before divorcing his wife first, is an excellent solution to that issue. It might prove enlightening to read the actual proclamations of the new laws – can anyone link to them on hebrewbooks.org?)
This is not to discourage trying not to get divorced; nowadays, given that you do have the right to refuse divorce, it should certainly be exercised if it can be determined that that is a wise thing to do, for whatever reason. I’m just saying that you may not be too accountable for not saving your husband from himself, should that turn out to be the situation and its outcome – you’re not really meant to have to deal with this in the first place.
Here’s another argument someone made three years ago on this site (copied as is):
tuted:
I find it ironic that one should question divorce because this “mizbach cries”. If divorce is on the table rest assured that both husband and wife, and often the children cry. Given the choice, I’d rather have the mizbayach cry than all these people. Really now are we more concerned about this mizbayach of stone, that of our brother and sister that are crying so.
(Thanks to Popa_bar_abba for possibly giving me the idea for this post – I don’t remember if I had it before seeing his posts {from 3 years ago}.)
“The main thing holding me back from agreeing to the divorce is how serious it is in halacha and it’s so bad that it causes the “Beis HaMikdash to cry”, whatever that means.”
That’s not a halacha. If halacha is what you’re worried about,
you can put that out of your mind.
“But that’s pretty serious. I also have this image of Hashem asking me why I gave up, when I die, and showing me why I should have stayed and fixed it.
I’ve been thinking about it and maybe divorce is the only solution.”
That’s the important question. If divorce is the only thing to do
in your situation, Hashem will not take you to task for it.
“I will speak to a rabbi as well but want some feedback on here.”
If you want to know more about the halachos of getting divorced, such as what rights you have before accepting a divorce, and what rights you have afterward, you should definitely speak to a rabbi.
(A rabbi who is familiar with you and your situation as a couple may also be helpful in deciding whether or not to divorce. A rabbi who doesn’t know you might also possibly be helpful, if he is experienced in these matters.)
BTGuy:
“It has to be a fictional person, because the remarks about them are disparaging, and that would be loshon hora.”
So? (Are you assuming the mods would not allow lashon hora?)
In any case, Joseph’s true identity is unknown, so I don’t think
it can be considered loshon hora to speak badly about him.
“Plus, I never saw anything posted by any Joseph as nearly annoying as the posts ranting about ‘Joseph’.”
I don’t know about that. I find extreme-right views pretty annoying (especially if there is reason to suspect that they’re not sincere).
(I just noticed that Balance posted this a
day before DaMoshe and I said anything:
“Oomis – interesting connection
I think the goal was different for Bavel than Icarus”)
Randomex – I understand that everything orginates from the Torah (even warped Greek myths) – and was looking for a root.
Everything that exists in the world has its source in Torah – but a myth, objectively speaking, does not exist. If we assume, for example, that it would be foolish to ask where we see a parallel to (or inspiration for) Batman in the Torah, what reason is there to grant the myths of ancient Greece any more significance?
Furthermore, if a story was created in order to teach an idea which is not the truth, we would certainly not expect to find a source for the idea in the Torah. Should we assume that Greek mythology’s ideas are true?
I simply don’t see much value in this type of inquiry…
(It might well be interesting, though.)
Actually, I think it looks better than it is. Oh.
eftachbchinor:
Amen, v’chein l’moras! Thank you very much! (I am as yet unmarried.)
I’m going to save that bracha. 🙂
“Again you caught me blundering! I meant to switch the hedyot and kallah- I know that the way I wrote it is a play on words and that was a mistake”
I don’t understand. If you did it on purpose, it wasn’t a mistake.
(Did you mean to say jokingly that LF shouldn’t take his own blessing to you lightly, because it was a “blessing of a bride?”)
My previous post – http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/hats#post-544103 – should have read: “your other cap(s).”
BTGuy:
I’m not a connoisseur, but have you tried Rosemarie,
Torino, Schmerling, and Alprose?
RebYidd23:
According to Wikipedia, mushrooms are “typically produced above ground on soil or on its food source.” I didn’t see mention of what mushroom food consists of, but I didn’t go through the whole page thoroughly. I did see this, though:
“[D]ue to the ability of mushrooms to absorb heavy metals, including those that are radioactive, European mushrooms may, to date, include toxicity from the 1986 Chernobyl disaster and continue to be studied.”
1. Cows eat grass.
True.
2. Grass is a plant.
True.
3. Plants are vegetables.
False. This is also relevant to “[Mushrooms] convert the plant matter into mushroom. Therefore, mushrooms are vegetables.”
4. Cows are vegetables.
False.
It looks worse than it is. Oh.
efta-Mazel Tov!!! Mazel tov mazel tov mazel tov!
‘al tehi birchas kallah hedyot beeinecho’
I know what you meant, but at face value, I think that means
“Let the blessing of a bride not be ordinary in your eyes,”
so, Eftach – please bentch me!
(I have not read through this thread.)
Avi K:
“…eventually be united. In fact, we see that the National Religious are becoming more frm and yeshivish and the Chareidim are moving out into the general job market.
Getting a job is fully within Orthodox Judaism, and does not signify moving closer towards unity with the Datim Leumi’im.
Also, can I assume that intentionally being less frum
is not part of Dati Le’umi ideology? I hope so.
For people actually saying what their favorite chocolate is, go here: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chocolate
Some of those users are long gone, but Oomis, Coffee Addict, and Kapusta are here now (and Gefen and BrotherOfUrs were also here in the last few months).
Fun (?) fact: The cocoa bean was a common currency throughout Mesoamerica (wherever that is) before the Spanish conquest.
If we’re taking anything that grows from the ground to be a vegetable, I believe there’s a Gemara that classifies animals, with regard to a specific thing, as “giddulei karka.”
oomis:
“Chocolate comes from cacao beans which grown in the ground.”
Actually, they grow on a tree!
RebYidd23:
Mushrooms grow on the ground, but they don’t grow from it.
(Where have the users who would get Star Wars
references gone? OneOfMany is sorely missed…)
RebYidd23:
Is this as serious an issue as the software not actually having anything to do with dogs (though it can be set to make a barking sound when it blocks a page)?
(See above: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/covenanteyes-vs-k9-web-protection#post-532741 )
“Randomex – I misrepresented – I meant to focus on the manner in which we relate. […]
3. To correspond closely or harmoniously: “Symbolism matters, especially if the symbols resonate with the larger message” (William Greider).
My apologies. It seems Wiktionary isn’t the best source of definitions. We (and the Torah) aren’t necessarily supposed to relate to the Greek myths, though…
[EDIT: This was written before seeing DaMoshe’s post.]
oomis:
“They were certainly not trying to compete with Hashem (as Nimrod was trying to do, and as I believe was the case with Icarus). By the way, how is it that all of us are so familiar with Greek Mythology, hmmmmm…?”
Evidently, we are not all so familiar with Greek mythology;
Icarus and his father were simply trying to escape an island
on which they were imprisoned.
A better parallel than Nimrod exists (with the same issue, though) – Shem’eiver. Here’s ArtScroll’s translation of Rashi to Bereishis 14:2.
He put an artificial limb on himself to be able to fly and to leap and to rebel against HaKadosh Boruch Hu.
ArtScroll footnote:
Minchas Yehudah and Sifsei Chachamim appear to take this literally; Shemeber actually made wings that gave him the ability to fly and thereby rebel against G-d[it’s fully spelled out in the original] in some way.
Sefer Zikaron takes this figuratively; he rebelled against G-d so blatantly that it was as if he made wings to fly up and attack Him.
“Randomex I’m trying my best not to troll”
Troll. Or troll not. There is no try.
(There is no troll.)
(Definitions from Wiktionary)
“resonate”
2. To have an effect or impact; to influence; to engender support.
Greek myths obviously do not have any effect on the Torah.
“cite”
1. To quote; to repeat, as a passage from a book, or the words of another.
2. To list the source(s) from which one took information, words or literary or verbal context.
Torah sources are not about to do this with Greek myths.
Now, it does go the other way: To the extent that a myth’s idea has the element of truth, we should be able to find the idea in the Torah. So, what is the idea of the Icarus myth? It appears to be that human ambition must be restrained, or it may be violently checked by the very nature of the world.
Is this true? I don’t know, but I doubt it. Certainly, the Torah does warn against human arrogance – Oomis gives a good example of that.
(Did you know that Icarus was actually warned to fly neither too high nor too low? The low warning was so that the sea’s dampness not clog his wings. This makes things more complicated.)
My 1st thought for a parallel was the “four who entered the Pardes.”
“The fact that Icarus flew too close to the sun so his wings melted and then he fell to the sea and drowned reminds of the danger of flipping out in yeshiva.”
In this comparison, it appears that the sun represents Torah, and getting too close to it is a problem. I cannot approve of this.
Also, in this context, as in the case of Nadav va’Avihu, coming too close to something (in a certain manner) is dangerous, and that thing itself is the goal. In the myth, the sun is not Icarus’ goal – it is simply a hazard which happens to be present. Keep that in mind.
eftachbchinor:
“Please don’t make it the same day as my wedding! I’m inviting you all to my own wedding too, iyH in a coupl’a weeks.”
Are you serious(!!!), or was that just to set up the jokes?
(I wouldn’t ask if you had made your own thread announcing it, but in here…)
“What are the pros and cons of each?”
Filter (K9 is an example, and in my experience has the best, though not foolproof, information about and detection of inappropriate sites):
Pros – You are forced to define your standards before any use of the Internet, and cannot access anything problematic
A) accidentally or, for that matter, B) intentionally.
Neither of those is fully prevented from occurring by a monitoring system, and I assume this is important from the viewpoint of halacha.
(You can get many filters – K9, for example – for free*.)
Cons – Your access to something necessary may be restricted, and at times, it may not be possible to reach a technician to allow the necessary access. Speaking of which, you obviously cannot have control of your filter. Have someone else – TAG, perhaps? – set the password (K9 has an option to allow you to block specific sites without needing the password).
Filters are not foolproof, of course, but that hardly seems a con – I don’t know if anything is absolutely foolproof.
“Well, I can first hand tell you that I had K9 and I broke through it so well that it was under my own password and I could unblock any site for like an hour and no one would know.
I found out how to break thru on the internet, but if you think whoever it is won’t go through the required steps to break through that took a half an hour, go ahead and install it.”
This does need to be addressed.
1. Categories including sites that might inform one as to how to disable their filter should be blocked. Failure to do so is failure to properly filter. (If the user has non-filtered
Internet access in another location, the purpose of having a filter may be somewhat defeated, especially considering the possibilities for saving or creating access to objectionable content.)
2. The last 3 days of administrative actions in K9 cannot be deleted (unless perhaps one can locate the file they are stored in – I don’t know). This includes enabling specific or general access – and any sites visited during all-access sessions. Inspection every three days, or perhaps at random, should deter any such actions by users who have somehow gained control of the
settings. (If such inspections cannot be carried out because the password has been changed, there is obviously a problem.)
Monitoring program:
Pros – If you access something problematic, you will have to account for it. This is useful both for prevention and, if necessary, intervention. Just be sure to choose the right person to act as supervisor.
(I don’t know anything about the availability of free monitoring.)
Cons – This does not technically prevent access. Multiple users may thus present an issue. Unsupervised use by someone other than yourself would be a definite no-no.
(I don’t know if these generally record the times at which sites were visited, or if they can be set up to distinguish between user accounts on one computer.)
Now, there are two points to be made here:
The first is that sites which are not objectionable on the whole may nevertheless feature inappropriate images or advertising. To deal with this, you can add ad-blocking and image-blocking plugins/extensions/whatevers to your browser. Mod-42 recommends
“adblockplus, flashblock, and […] imglikeopera.” I don’t know if ImgLikeOpera works with the current version of Firefox, but ImageBlock definitely does, although its function is limited to
being an on/off switch.
These will likely remain under the user’s control, but turning them off shouldn’t be much of a temptation.
Nativ offers, as part of their services, the filtering out of skintone from images – I don’t know if this is available elsewhere, whether for free or not. Speaking of which…
The second point is that these options – filter and monitor – are both client-side solutions – that is, they’re programs you install on your own computer. Some might prefer a server-side solution – buying your Internet service from a company which does their own filtering. However, devices with wireless access to service from other companies would still need a client-side solution (in this case, this could be removing the wireless capability from the device). Additionally, service could be surreptitiously purchased from a second company and used to access problematic content, likewise necessitating a client-side solution.
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I am aware of a certain ad campaign urging people to buy Internet safety products rather than rely on free ones, with the implication that free products can be presumed not to be as reliable as paid ones – in common parlance, “you get what you pay for.”
To anyone familiar with the phenomenon of open-source software, this is ludicrous. Perhaps the readers have heard of such products as the Linux operating system, the Firefox browser, or VLC Media Player? They’re free.
(This is actually not the first thread about Akuperma. Take the “-1” off the end of this page’s URL to see the first one.)
Akuperma,
Here are several links in which you advocate for “Jewish autonomy” within an Arab state in the land of Israel:
[…]
How about this question: Wouldn’t it be suicidal, given the history we now have with the Arabs, to put ourselves under their rule (or murderous, for someone other than us to do the same)?
Mammale (and everyone else):
Does Akuperma belong to an organization such as Torah True Jews (an anti-Zionist organization) hence it’s all in a days work?
An interesting point. Look at Akuperma’s use of “we” above:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/akuperma-1#post-433537
At the time, someone assumed it to mean that the Akuperma account was shared by a husband and wife. I like your theory better. It explains the dedication.
RebYidd23:
It’s (one of?) your other caps, of course. Anyway,
what do you have to be angry about in this case?
RebYidd23:
You bumped this just for that? I stamp my feet at you! Tsz, tsz, tsz.
Eftach is heartwarming as ever. 🙂
In case anyone’s curious, but not curious enough to use Google
(out of laziness or frumkeit), an “alicorn” is a winged unicorn.
cozimjewish:
“I don’t like unicorns because they keep reading out loud.”
Did you read that because I recommended it*, or do you read
profiles in general?
*
(I really wish I’d gotten around to posting this just over an hour ago… before you revealed the source of your name.)
Secret… Agent Yid
Secret… Agent Yid
?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???
DaasYochid:
No. 🙂 Was that a serious guess?
So, who’s at the convention?
You’re a good student. 🙂
“All rules are subject to change without notice.”
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/rules-of-the-ywn-coffee-room-please-read#post-32914
Kidding.
My problem was with people who would bump threads for
no apparent purpose.
Also, doing the official study, I’ve noticed just how
prevalent the phenomenon is… so if you can’t beat
’em, join ’em!
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What is this Q thing, anyway?
Assuming you say Ashrei thrice daily on weekdays, why would you
not know it better than “The Road Not Taken?”
yekke2:
Where’s your joke?
I was inspired by the “Babelfished” phenomenon in which
selected text is run through a translation program multiple times
from one language to another until finally it is in in the original language again, but it’s not exactly right anymore.
Spice of Life:
No worries! It’s his booklet in the first post.
Does anyone remember what Coffee Addict’s subtitle was before
he said “mine could be having withdrawal symptoms” and it changed?
(I will point out as well that withdrawal symptoms result from not
engaging in one’s addiction, which hardly seems to be the case here.)
Letakein Girl:
Nice lyrics, thanks 🙂
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/subtitle-log#post-540403
eftachbchinor:
“Let me know how that works for you.”
Mod, were you talking to me? I’ll see what he says and then see if it works.
He was talking to me. My post in response to you originally
read as he quoted it: “because I want to change your subtitle.”
He was either commenting on the fact that I’m not capable
of doing so, not being a moderator, or that my statement could be
interpreted as expressing intent to change your subtitle, something I would not actually be able to do.
cozimjewish:
“(Not a) Mod1097 subtitle used to be = not a mod – Not even close”
It’s kind of interesting that it changed to “Blocked” (the standard subtitle for a blocked user). I know of a case in which a blocked user retained their subtitle. (At least, it made sense that the user was blocked, but I can’t be sure of it.)
>>>>
“This should go here”
I didn’t think of it earlier, but I did later,
and you’ve reminded me:
Your joke should have gone on the shidduch list
thread where its context is. In fact,
you can still put it there – go ahead!
(Make it “apparently used to be,” though.)
They were in a post between my two posts, which was deleted.
The “-1 years glitch” strikes again.
DaasYochid is indeed funny. That makes a chazaka!
It also marks three chazakos from me, which gives me
a chazaka for giving chazakos. I’ll gladly continue.