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I have to agree with many of these posts but let me ask a question: ARE WE MAKING A TEACHING CAREER ATTRACTIVE TO OUR FINEST AND MOST TALENTED? I know I would make a great teacher, but the salary and mostly the ATTITUDE we have towards our teachers makes me want to run the other way. Do we respect our hard-working moros and rabbeim, most of whom are sincere and great? Or do we put them down and disagree and try to get out of paying tuition? When we respect the people that take care of our children and make it the most honorable profession that there is, then maybe people who would be really good will be interested in going into it. We have to realize that these are the people that spend the most time transmitting the mesorah to our children and deal with this issue with the respect that it deserves….
Dear Feif Un, while I agree with most of the posts in this thread, I am just wondering why you would put this on YWN? This is a serious issue that should be dealt with seriously. IN life, you are bound to face more serious issues and dealing with them in a discreet and responsible manner in important. So is getting consistent advice from people you know and trust and who know you and your situation. It just seems immature to post such a thing here and make a decision from a blog….
Really? The kedusha spills out into the streets? interesting? Most of my friends from ‘in town’ places would NEVER raise their kids there in a million years. They hate the labeling, the shallowness of yiddishkeit, the ‘institutional’ feel to the institutions, the competition. How can a teacher pay enough attention when the class sizes are so big? How can you feel important when you’re one of so many? That’s just the beginning of the problems. When I visit in town places (including big out of town communities) I don’t feel too much kedusha. And I don’t think someone with a kipa srugah or different head- gear OOT is embarrassed to look like a Jew- they look just as much a jew as a black hatter. Lower madraiga? Look at the ahavas Yisrael and love and connection in out of town places. How can Moshiach come if we are so involved in our ‘own’ community that we can’t even seem to notice that something like 85% of Jews BARELY KNOW THEIR JEWISH. Let’s put it this way, you don’t need Project Inspire in most OOT places for a reason. People are not afraid to bring their fellow Jew into their homes and hearts. Is that a lower madraigah??????
My theory is that in smaller communities, where everyone knows each other, we don’t need clothing or labels to identify each other. Everyone can be at their own level without proving it to anyone else. It’s a much more ‘real’ way of living and relating. When you have a huge Jewish community, you need your labels and clothing to identify who you are. I could never live like that long-term. It’s so fake and impersonal. I have heard, although there are no real statistics (not that most quoted statistics are not skewed) but that out of town communities have a lower rate of kids going off the derech. This could have something to do with it along with many other factors such as each person being needed and valuable and not seemingly indispensable like in larger communities (which are usually not communities).
You know, I think you guys totally missed my point. If you are so passionate SJS, why don’t you do something? What is the point of posting on Yeshiva World News? TO vent? If you have a passion, help klal yisrael instead of complain in a meaningless forum. You guys are doing nothing to help the problem, but it seems that you DO care. So why not find a constructive way of channeling that?
that was a good suggestion SjS sounds like you had a great and positive upbringing on the topic! I hope you are able to convey this to your own children!
OK Everybody, while we have everyone at their computers with, seemingly, some free time + being heated up about this topic, I challenge everyone to come up with an idea or two about how tznius can be taught to ourselves and our children in a non-threatening but effective manner. What kind of forum could it be done in? How can we demonstrate tznius from the inside out effectively? People seem to be creative in showing their opinion, so let;s use it to come up with some good ideas (which I will be so happy to show to some teachers I know that are struggling with this very issue). Instead of ranting and raving, let’s DO something about it! I envision a committee of sincere Jews from all over the world coming together and creating an effective program to teach and LIVE tznius….
I had the same issue in a neighborhood store and because it was a store I didn’t need to go to often, I said something to the manager and asked him not to say my name to the employee. Next time I went in, the employee brought it up and kept asking (in broken english) What, you want me to be like ice and not talk to people? I realized that he had no clue what the proper boundaries were so I never went into that store again. I hope though, that it changed his behavior towards my many other friends who experienced the same thing.