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Golfer and Haleivi – I am trying to say that Moshe could not have known about gilgul because he would not have had an issue with sechar vonesh (it seems like an injust world when tzaddikim are punished and the wicked proper, etc.)and would never have posed his question.If every chaim yankel today knows about gilgul as a true belief, and so easily understands why bad things happen to good people, for instance children L”A dying young, obviously Moshe knew about it. The fact that Moshe still was so bothered by the question tells us that he was unaware of gilguland Hashem did not answer him, so he still did not know about gilgul.
For there to be a mesorah, it must come from MOSHE at Sinai. It can not come later on. Impossible. Mesorah means from Sinai. So, if at least according to one opinion of that gemara, Moshe was apparently unaware of the secret of gilgul and Hashem did not provide him with that answer, where on earth did that belief come into our mesorah?
Nistar might be “hidden” from most of us but it still must have come down to MOshe at Sinai. If it did not, then it is not true nistar.
YYTZ – I will esearch that as offhand I do not recall, but I do believe there were quite a few.
I am open to believing in gilgul, but definitely do not think one must believe in it.
The most disturbing part of this belief is that there are many people out there who are not well versed in nistaar or even nigleh and when there is a tragedy or an unfortunate occurence, they KNOW Hashem’s plan and tell people and explain that this one was a gilgul of that one, etc. Or is someone loses money, well perhaps you stole money from that person in a different lifetime.
This enables people to accept the most horrible things that may occur. What happens is that instead of true emunah where we may NOT understand but still accept an occurence as Hashem’s plan, their belief is based on the fact that they THINK they know Hashem’s plan. Of course, if we were to all know Hahshem’s plan, emunah would be a simple thing. Therre is no challenge. However, the idea is to have emunah without KNOWING Hashem’s plan, yet our arrogant minds delude us into thinking that we can explain everything with gilgul and makes emunah seem so simple.
Moshe Rabbeinu asked Hashem why do bad things happend to tzaddikim and vice a versa? Hashem did not answer him!! This is a gemara. If gilgul is an authentic belief, what was MOSHE’s Question ? Why was this question so difficult for him to understand??? Even today’s hamon am “know” that it all makes perfect sense because of gilgul.
CAN ANYONE ANSWER WHY MOSHE REBBEINU DID NOT APPEAR TO KNOW ABOUT GILGUL? IS THAT NOT A PROOF AGAINST IT?
BY THE WAY, AMONGST THE EARLY MEKUBBALIM, POST ZOHAR, IT WAW A MACHLOKES WITH SOME WELL KNOWN MEKUBALLIM HOLDING STRONGLY AGAINST GILGUL, SO IT DEFINITELY WAS NOT A BELIEF THAT WAS BROUGHT TO LIGHT IN THE ZOHAR.