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Dear sam2: if your post is addressed to me- you have just proven what I said. The original minhag only encompassed marriage and hair(beard)cuts. Anything else came way afterwards. (The pri megadim is late eighteenth century). Even as we accept some of these late chumros) why add to it and ban music altogether? After all- there is a quantitative difference between “rikudim umecholos’ that imply live music and live music players and today’s new technology of CD’s and records. Are we going to ban singing too? After all, what is worse, live singing or recorded music?
The Question of live music all year round has been debated for many years and the general attitude is to be “meikel”.
to most posters (including loyal jew)- before you talk about “heter hunting”, can you explain to me where the issur comes from? the period of mourning of sefira is not in the gemoro and the geonim -who instituted the minhag- had certain parameters :”no marriage and no hair(or beard) cutting. Even the fact of live music (“Rikudim umecholos”) is a late poskim addition. Why add to it ?? people get into a twist for any music, a chumro that is not in the spirit of the original minhag. “hovu delo lossif olov”
oomis 1105- you were well taught !
rabbaim- hebrew (in english) is actully “ivrit”. Th quintessential name for our ancestors was “ivri” (see jossef) so that language too “announces’ itself as being “jewish”, with apologies to Rav Oshri but his view is inaccurate. and BTW- “cholent” is “chaud lent” – hot, slowly.
patri : source, please????
according to the gemoro and shulchan aruch , the reason for not being able to listen to a woman singing is because you may be tempted by her. Kind of difficult with a CD, don’t you think?
Just to clarfiy matters and side with sam2 and oomins1105- the gemara speaks about “kol be’isha ervah’ without specifying what “kol’ means but in the shulchan aruch it says ; ” jesh lezoher mishmyas kol ZEMER isha be-shaas kerias shemah””. It is clear that the shulchan aruch spoke about song (zemer) and not just talking. Additionally, the original prohibition dealt with hearing the “kol isha’ during “Krias shema” but later acharonim have expanded it to include any song, even not at krias shema.
See also be’er heitav on siman 75 (3)
stuck: popa changed it after my comment. It was there-clearly as I wrote it.
Has anyone noticed the small print after Popa’s name? “Mildly retarded, Eccentric Jewish Woman.” THAT says it all…..
jungerman1- The “hetter’ of cooking from jom tov to shabbos is based on “ho-il” (pesachim 46B). This means that you can cook on jom tov because you may have “orchim” -guests coming unexpectedly and they want food. so you cook in the antcipation of their arrival. (BTW- this is why many rishonim will say that you cannot cook this just before night because there will be no time for guests to arrive) The idea of eiruv tavshilim is that you started cooking before yom tov and hence you are only concluding your cooking on jom tov. basically ,it is a “hekker”. see Shulchan aruch 527).
toi and Sam2- I like your answers because you may get guests woh eat “gebroks” and they have to have food too.
Interesting discussion. As far as the “matirim’ to make kneidlach before Yom tov- our “hetter’ to cook from yom tov to shabbos is based on the possibility of receiving guests before shabbos (“dechozo le-orchim”) and so, if you cannot eat those kneidlach on shevi-i shel pessach -as per your minhag- why whould you be able to prepare it for shabbos? (Eiruv tavshilim is a “hekker”)
The only good diet is a full change of eating habits. It is a long, arduous route and any of the quick loss diets will not work ultimately because you gain the weight back. Slow and steady is the only way. The drawback is that you need lots of patience and it doesn’t show right away but it will after a few weeks- and you will learn to be healthier ! You might try to become a vegetarian- it is a good start to eating differently.
sushe- great advice. A talis is not ‘tashmishei kedusha’ but only ‘tashmishei mitzvah’ and does not have the same kedusha as tefillin.
unfortunately=zahavasdad is exactly right. just because divorce is not an option does not mean one is happy. social pressure and the society you belong to is very powerful- and again- as avhaben says- it is their option to conduct themselves as they wish and let those who are not gerrer thank their lucky stars.
I have been bewildered by the discussion on this matter. Clearly, the specific ‘hanhogos’ go way beyond what is expected of couples and , if someone , i.e. gerrer chassdim, or anyone else for that matter, wants to follow it- it is their option. What i do not understand is why this is considered more “kedusha and taharah”. Are you telling me that the tanai-im, rishonim, going all the way to the avos, had less “kedusha and taharah”?
Without going into detail, tevilat ezra was instituted for a modicum of restraint and yet, it didn’t succeed as a halacha- did all the talmidim of that time have less kedusah and tahara? certainly not- kedusha and tahara are not measured by chumros.
in answer to the posters who write that “they should discuss it in advance’. are you serious? do you know what those “hanhogos’are? who should discuss it- the parents? it doesn’t concern them. the boy and girl? you can’t be serious!
my advice would be- don’t get involved in something you may regret! and, by the way, itchesrulik is right- these are very recent ‘takonos”.
I just went on the Haaretz website and found the article (actually by Tamar Rotem) that describes the above questions pretty extensively, in a study by Nava Wasserman (a chareidi woman, by the way). I will not detail them here but suffice it to be said that it has an approach that defies gemara and rishonim. However, if the people who follow Gur chassidus wants to do it, it is their option.
mdd- you better give us the place of this teshuvo, because it doesn’t make sense. Mecitzos are for davening and- maybe- for festive meals.
Just a realistic question: virtually all medicines are way smaller than a “keza-is’ (or a revi-is) which makes any ingestion of such medicine (even real treif) ‘chatzi shiur’ . So, why shouldn’t we be maikel,especially as it is as a refuoh and the person has no “hano-oh’ (pleasure) swalllowing them?
chassidischer gatesheader- I cannot question your quote from “joods.nl” of 2005 (!!) and I will check that. I still don’t believe that 9 out of 10 commemorations are about the Holocaust.
On the other side, you say that “quite a few’ and “some people’ have affirmed that they don’t keep nor do they want to keep the chagim.
I fully suscribe to that- there are way too many jews in Europe and America who are estranged from the Jewish people and religion- this is why I cherish Chabad’s work so much and this is why I support the medinah with all its warts, because the jewish people will be safeguarded there.
chassidischer gatesheader- your comments are just plain false. not even in germany (of which i know a lot) do you have “9 ot of 10” remembrances about the Holocaust.
And, the secular do indeed celebrate all the chagim, maybe not like you but they celebrate them quite well.
RSRH : Again, I do not know you from the taxi driver in the street but your views come dangerously clsoe to the ones expressed by the author of that despicable piece. The Holocaust was a special catastrophe, as the Churban Habays was a special event. Never since the churban and never again will you have such a destruction of jews.
And you are wrong in so many ways- did you know that many Polish jews still have a fast day to remember the Chmilniecky era?
In addition, your comparables are totally false. the civil war is indeed still considered the biggest catastrophe in american wars and commemorated everywhere. Same for Dec 7.
For you- ostensibly a frum jew- to fall in the trap of the Holocaust minimizers (let us be charitable) is denying the whole lesson of that terrible period.
Wolf- I don’t know you except by your contributions on this website but I love how you sign yourself “who hates all jews because he is a zionist”. It shows the absurdity of some poeple’s ideas.
Not being a reader of the New York Post, I had to check their webpage. The story clearly indicates that there were major problems in their marriage from day one. Maybe it is time to reconsider the ‘arranged’ marriages when the two sides meet for the first time on their wedding day.
who binyamin reich is I do not know, but he is so far off the way on the Holocaust that I do not know how this piece was ever published in a Jewish newspaper. We have been remembering two Temple destructions, various pogroms through ther centuries (see kinot and other local fast days) and also our triumphs for over three thousand years. And Mr. Reich just wants us to throw everything out?
“kol echod keminhogo “. I am an ahskenazi so I have never followed this minhag- although I do not mix fish and meat (as per sakonoh). BTW- this is why one has whisky/brandy after the fish on Friday nights.
The one genuine news I learned is that (from besalel) the sefardim eat swordfish! Now ,how about sturgeon? Would love to eat caviar once in my life….
In their “wisdom”, the moderators routinely omit to print my contributions. So be it- but I have to be “moiche” (in the language of some of the posters) on this “alilas dam” (for the unitiated, it means blood libel) at what some posters routinely decry the fact that more jews have been killed in Eretz Yisroel than elsewhere in the world. Conveniently, they start the clock after the medinah was founded- conveniently omitting the Holocaust, the Russian pogroms under the czars and the Communists, the many persecutions in all countries-including the Arab nations, for centuries.
It is fatuous to look at the Jewish position in the West now- this is only for the past few decades- before that, jews were killed and persecuted all the time. And if you think it cannot happen here, look at Argentina and venezuaela- where jews are being persecuted right now.
Only by having our fate in our our hands -as we do now in Eretz Yisroel- can we, with the Almighty’s help, fight our enemies.
Long ago, I decided never to enter into this discussion of Eretz Yisroel as the beginning of the geulah. The ‘health’s of this world will continue in their way and the ones who do believe in Erets Yisroel as the embodiment of the coming geulah will show to their accomplishments. History will prove one of the sides right and let’s hope we live so long.
Just to correct a comment by nisht…..(cant spell his name): There IS a MAJOR diffence about the length of life left as far as “retzicha’ goes. If one kills a ‘treifa” one will not be convicted of “retzicha”. And someone who is clinically dead is certainly a ‘treifa” that will not live a year. This is not to say that one can hasten death ,clearly, you are not allowed to do that. However, you cannot equate “jaharog ve’al jeavior’ to the last minutes of a living person.
to longerekel and others:
Prove to us that what you are proclaiming is true. Show us that this novel idea of “daas torah” in every nook and cranny of life is indeed what was practiced for generations.
It was not. The possuk of “lo sossur’ deals with halachic matters, not ‘milei d’alma’. You will not find in Shas or poskim a concept that a Posek knows all. Even in halachic matters, there were many arguments. ‘al achas kamma vekamma” on matters of everyday custom.
No one prevents you from asking advice or following a certain rebbe (I do, by the way) but it is a fiction to say that it is torah and thatwe must check our brains at the door and follow someone blindly. Infallibility is part of another religion.
Feif un’s question is relevant and arises out of the fact that, in recent decades, we have conflated psak halacha and ‘milei d’almah”.
Clearly, when it comes to halachic issues, there is a well documented way of accepting the psak and , most of the time, “puk mo amo diber”, see whom the populace follows and indeed, R’moshe “psakkim” became the norm because the people accepted him as the possek of America.
The problem arises with “milei d’alma”-matters that are not ruled by halacha. On that, there is absolutely no compulsion to follow the “gedolim’ all the time.
You can certainly ask advice, you can obviously follow the opinion given but there is absolutely no “daas torah’ on that. This is a modern invention .
There are a few translations of the Moreh (written in Arabic) with the most recent one by R”Josef Kappach.It is a wonderful translation (Kappach spoke Arabic fluently) and he has excellent footnotes. You are forewarned,however: It is a difficult sefer to learn because it deals in pure logic, something we have forgotten to do.
Try it in small doses, it is best absorbed slowly.
The one blatant ommission in this whole discussion is so obvious that it throws the whole “stting next to a different gender” out the window. To all those who do not want to sit next to a woman, STAND !!!!! Do not force your beliefs on other people !
to HaKatan and others: please tell me where it says that we should “lay low and not fight esav or yishmael ” ‘at bias goel zedek”.
The rambam clearly disagreed with this (see hilchos melichim”…the tannaim clearly disagreed with this (see rabbi akiva and bar kochva”) , and going back to ezra and nechemia clearly disagreed with this….
“Bekisso,bekaaso,bekosso…..” health- you qualify for all three….
To ‘health’ and all the other Eretz Yisroel deniers, please explain to me the Rambam in hilchos melochim concerning Moshiach (based on the gemara, by the way). If you cannot do that, please give me at least an answer to what i wrote earlier concerning “sholosh shevuos”, showing that it obviously lapsed at the beginning of the second bais hamikdosh.
I am happy to see that Hakoton had no answer on what I wrote in rebuttal to his fatuous arguments. Still waiting.
As far as all thid talk and discussion who was what and when did how ,it is TOTALLY IRRELEVANT. Eretz yisroel exists today as medinat Israel and-nothwithstanding the evil extremists wish- will exist forever, IY”H.
To argue historical issues on what might have been, how would it have been is sterile discussion because no one knows.
If hakoton and health are so concerned about Eretz ysroel ,let them go live there and demonstrate with their NK brethren. Then, at least, I would have some respect for them (as long as they don’t don nazi garb)
hakatan ,masquerading as another rational being, does not answer my question. Jirmijohu spoke these pesukim that what we call now the “sholosh shevuos”. How did ezra, nechemia and all of the jews of that era circumvent the words of jirmijohu???
secondly, the ‘sholosh shevuos’ are not mentioned in ONE sefer halacha. Even the rambam, who writes about anything in his Mishe torah does not mention it. And this is HALACHA??
Thirdly, if you would have learned Kiddushim perek asoroh jochsim, you would have seen that the jews who left “bovel” were not exactly all “mizrach vant” yidden. They were no different, maybe worse, than the “reshoim’ that you call zionists. I call them idealists.
By the way, Nechemia ,for sure, was not a novi. On Ezra, there are different shittos but the return to Eretz yisroel was not talked about by any novi or the subject of any nevuoh.
I’ll ldet Avi k and haleive answer for themselves.
Most of the comments about what and how the Jews would live now if- chas vecholilo- they were under Arab rule is irrelevant. The medina israel is here to stay,never to disappear.
I want to point out that the so-called “shalosh shevuos” were breached long ago…with the second bais hamikdosh!! The “shalosh shevuos” quotation comes from Jirmijohu hanovi (27-22) and YET , Ezra, Nechemia and all the Jews who left Bovel DID IT ANYWAY. Why didn’t THEY worry about it?? It was not halacha then and is not halacha now. End of story.
omitted: I have the edition mentioned
tums- well, we must have different editions of the “kol sifrei chofetz chaim”- edited by Rav Mendel Zaks in 1960. I do not have “tiferes odom” at all. I’ll try to get my hands on your edition.
tums=I have the sefer in front of me (Kol sifrei chofetz chaim) and the sefer “chofetz chaim” deals with loshon horah. I quickly perused chapter 6 and there is no mention about “lo jilbash” or shaving one’s beard. Can you substantiate your quote? (about lo jilbash)
actually, I am 96 and still going strong….well, if the Almighty gives me years !
In truth : “puk mo amo diber”. Regardless of some of the quotes from previous Poskim (out of context, by the way) it is clear that shaving one’s beard by permissible means is allowed. This has been the custom of millions of jews in the past centuries and this would not have been allowed if it was indeed an “issur d’oraisa”. In addition, as some posters have written, only the removal of the beard by means of “hashchossoh” (destroying the roots)with a knife is an issur de’oraisa, but any other way clearly is not ossur. Even the ones who question the use of electric shavers fully accept that you can use depilatory creams and remove the WHOLE beard. So, there cannot be a question of “lo yilbash”. ravshalom is right in saying that the shaving of a beard (in a permissible way) is a matter of Kabbalah and minhagim. The shulchan aruch also allows trimming mustaches (see hilchos aveilus).
farrockgradma= thank you for the quotation, this is exactly what I thought and what I wrote.
popa-I said thay you should put it “right next to the flame” – which by the way, should be covered by a “blech”.There is no “nireh ke-mevashel’ at all.
happym19- No one is chas vecholilo denigrating your parents but they may have confused putting kugel (and other dry foods like chicken) on TOP of the oven- actually right next to the flame- and putting it IN the oven. The latter would not be allowed on shabbos in contrast to just warming up the food on the stove which is permissible. The yad soledes bo issue would not apply with dry food as it would be “bishul achar bishul”.
the latest comment by “toi” compels me to comment and make a “macho-oh”. He asserts that in Telz, they did not say Tehillim when Rav Kook zz”l was ill. First, I do not believe this for one millisecond. this is a “canard” that is not true and is only stated to make an indecent point. But, secondly, the whole concept is irrelevant. we have the medinah today that is home to millions of Shomrei torah umitzvot and thousands of yeshivos. The establishment of Israel has proven, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that we need our own medinah, with all its problems.
it is pretty obvious that the moderators do not know yiddish…otherwise the comments by kilo bear and mms601 would not have passed their watchful eye…..
Ich darfen yiddish -95
DELETE DELETE DELETE any unknown emails….(by the way, how did you know it was “from the opposite gender”?)
Thank G-d that charliehall lives in these United States. He must have been hallucinating when he wrote this comment…..Fayad suddenly is the responsible person? Can you believe anything he says? The answer is simple to the OP- give nothing back!
HaLeiVi-according to the person who wrote about the Arizal on “google” (wikipedia), the Arizal came to Tzfas in early 1570 and died on July 25,1572, making his stay in Zfas about two years.