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Phil The statement “Meanwhile, Joseph, a public school aide, whiles away his life in his mother’s basement” is the definition of trolling. And a simple yid referred to rabbi lau as a non zionist source, pointing out that he is very zionistic, evidenced by how he got his position is perfectly legitimate. And using zionist sources to back up zionist propaganda is much like using statements from the govt of china about origins of coronavirus.
@n0mesorah “Learning is not democratic” If you mean it’s not something you can choose whether or not you want to do, I agree. I don’t see what that has to do with the kollel system.
“One has to learn according to their capabilities” Which is why people join kollelim or chaburas in kollelim that correspond with their capabillities.
“We cannot afford the kollel for all mentality take over the torah” I don’t see it as kollel for all, and it definitely isnt taking over the torah. But it does strengthen torah when so many people are learning.
“If one does not have a chavrusa or his chavrusa is not up to snuff it is not an excuse” Correct, but people will learn better with chavrusas, and there are sources in gemara for that. (cherev al habadim)
It comes down to finances because people wont learn well, (or do anything else well) when they are homeless.
Im convinced of my opinion, your convinced of yours and im pretty sure you want the last word so I’m done here.Joseph, in response to your first comment, thank you.
Just, in response to your 2 comments, I agree with them, and I also agree with you in the recent discussion regarding minyan.
I think my opinion on this matter is very much along the lines of CTL that we live in echo chambers for most of our lives with family members who generally share our values, and we often choose friends based on their similarities to ourselves. This is a rare opportunity to have discussions with such a wide swath of personalities and viewpoints.If you would read the transcript you just posted you would see that noone suggested doing anything yet. He was thinking out loud if there was a possibility of using a form of disinfectant in a healthy way to combat coronavirus. No mention of ingesting spraying injecting or anything of the sort. Just a simple query that perhaps the professionals look into a way to use it safely. It is typical Trump fashion, like how he spoke about how he would run the military or reform healthcare while he was running for president, and clearly sounded like he was way in over his head.
As Salena Zito famously said about his campaign “The press takes him literally, but not seriously; his supporters take him seriously, but not literally.” The same rings true here.
As for your thoughts about my sanity………….I’ll leave you in suspense@n0mesorah you seriously think that because people feel they will do better learning as part of a klal they are better off serving hashem by selling insurance? And for the record most decent sized kollelim have different options and different limudim that allow people to choose what they want to learn. The kollel infrastructure isn’t there to direct anyone what to learn or to arrange chavrusas. It’s there because throughout our history we learnt in yeshivos, not alone. The reason we didn’t have this particular setup untill recently was because few married learnt full days until recently. And how would you take care of the financial aspect if everyone is learning in his basement? If your agenda is that everyone should go to work than say it outright, but if not I totally don’t get you.
@common To answer your question I come across it on a daily basis (pre covid)@commonsaychel Your comment that going into klay kodesh is something to express horror suggests you had a fundamental lack of understanding of the kollel system. That being said I only pointed that out in response to you questioning someone elses participation. I understand the dif, was just pointing out the irony.
@n0mesorah I dont really understand what you are calling the kollel system, I assumed it was the yeshivos and communities that are centered around those yeshivos. If by system you mean high end cars and sheitels, I dont think that has to do with kolleliim. To your point that people in previous generations did it without anything in place, very few people nowadays would be able to learn and not have any worries about parnassa. But very few in previous generations did it too. The expansion of people sitting and learning is directly related to the fact that we have a system. Would it be more ideal for people to do it your way? Perhaps. But we cant, so this is the next best thing.I bet if you ask most people why bleach wouldn’t work they either wouldnt know or would give some vague answer like “it’s lethal.” Well so is chemo and lots of other meds and he was simply thinking out loud that maybe there is a way to modify it and use it. But as normally happens, the media had a collective freakout and the sheeple started walking around as if they had medical degrees talking about trump being unstable because he suggested drinking bleach.
@Milhouse My mistake in regard to yom hashoah. But we should be poresh min hatzibur?!?! Is the majority secular non shomer shabbos tzibur that instituted the specific day a tzibur we should be joining? And i would posit that there wasn’t nearly as much hisnagdus to yom hazikaron as yom hashoah because most chareidim understood that yom hazikaron was celebrating an army which institutes practices and espouses ideals antithetical to torah judaism and there wasn’t much need to counter it so heavily. Whereas yom hashoah was a day that any relative of a victim of the holocaust would logically want to observe but because of it being a zionist holiday and inevitably becoming a propaganda tool for zionism, in addition to tisha bav already being a more proper day (and possibly not wanting to mourn in nissan,) the rabbonim were against it.
@commonsaychel your comment about horror of horrors people might thinks about leaving kollel and going to work as clay kodesh shows just how much you know actually know about the yeshiva/kollel system and leads me to question why you are spending your time commenting on it.
@n0mesorah a system is “a set of things working together as parts of a mechanism or an interconnecting network.” People who are not working for a living but instead learn for most of the day need something in place to allow them to have chavrusas, discuss what they are learning with peers, and have all requisite seforim vichulu. They also need a financial support system which includes an institution that is raising money and allocating it. And your yeshiva friends are surprised to see working men learning all day on legal holidays because they are few and far between.Qutoted from the official israeli ministry of tourism website.
“Yom Hazikaron was formally decreed by law in 1963, but the practice of commemorating the fallen on this day started in 1951 to mark the connection between Independence Day and the people who died to achieve and maintain this independence.”
Sounds to me like it”s about a massacre in Kfar Etzionmihouse I dont recall seeing anyone say rabbis objected yom hazikaron. He was referring to yom hashoah, which we “observe” on tisha bav as it is a day to mourn all jewish tragedies. Even by the logic that I should mourn fallen soldiers defending a country I dont live in and ideas I dont believe, are they more deserving of their own day than the kedoshim of the holocaust? If we would want to choose an arbitrary day to commemorate, we would choose tisha bav, but this is about extending yom haatzmaut, and commemorating a state, not about any fallen soldiers.
@ctlawyer you are correct while it is not a knockoff, I was responding to his comment that they were european, not chinese. As far as price control, i didn’t say it was illegal or unprecedented, just complicated and unproductive. If the government would seize all masks imported by the private sector, the private sector would stop importing masks. You, I assume went the costs and effort to arrange shipments because you wanted to help your local community, but I doubt most people would do that for their masks to end up in Indiana. In a capitalist system, it is the private sector that will have to do alot of the heavy lifting and your idea will strongly discourage it.
You have any tips for cutting your own hair?
@commonsaychel though it may be of similar quality the kn95 is a chinese knockoff of the n95.
@ctlawyer China is able to price control because they don’t operate in a free market system. While doable, it would be far more complicated in US. Additionally, if there would be enough supplies in US people wouldn’t be willing to pay through the roof for them. There may be ample supplies in china but there is a shortage here. Price stabilization won’t solve that. And the masks have been seemingly fine but there have been reports of other chinese products being defective, tests, drugs, vichulu.Mustv’e been a real close friend in Beijing. 80 cents a piece is a steal. Complaining about price gouging at $3.80 when local pharmacies are charging 10-15 dollars sounds remarkably out of touch. Assuming of course you are talking about surgical masks. If they are standard masks you raise a good point. Please clarify.
@mistykins It’s called Covid 19 because it started in the year 2019,
Sorry if you took that personally, im pretty sure everyone else realized that was a joke. And you dont make 300k but you own multiple properties, I know im beating a dead horse but all i was doing was differentiating between you and the average guys views on a tax raise. If federal income tax would go up $500 across the board joe shmo would be hurt more than you. perhaps sales taxes and sin taxes should be progressive just like income tax. And i would be more than happy to take the blue label off your hands!!
chris christie???? why not just keep rudy??
lawyers are twice as likely as regular people to be alcoholics, maybe hes a recovering addict and cant have alcohol at home.
CTLAWYER
Based on your statement that your taxes went up 27k because of new tax cuts, and your property being valued at the highest at 900k (meaning you pay max 17k in property taxes of which 10 is still deducted, and 20 in state income tax, which at the highest rate would be 7%) your yearly income in my humble estimate is over 300k a year. Like I said,it’s easy for you to not worry about a tariff on scotch.CTLAWYER
None of us would care about these tarrifs if we were making 550-825 an hour. How bout a regular guy on a $15/hr wage who wants a shot of scotch between the fish and the meat?