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To Seichel
Where do you see Resh Lakish’s opinion in the Gemara under discussion. The answer is nowhere. You take lying to a different dimension. If you had a quarter of a brain you would know that R Simai wasn’t the one who said that most Jews won’t be redeemed by Moshiach that was Rava. Again the reason you lie about that Gemara is because it proves that your dead god was a Kofer and a liar. And how do you explain that Kofer rejecting the Gemara which says that there is no Nevuah until Moshiach comes?
To coffee
Can you cite the Gemara which says that Yakov is god. I asked my Rov and he said there’s no such Gemara. It’s possible that he made a mistake. I need the Mesechta , blatt and Amud.
To philosopher
That’s a big part of the book. My guess is that the Gedolim are afraid to start with Chabad because that would be playing into their hand. It would end up in court and Chabad would win. They’d have Dershowitz, Lewin and others supporting them. Frankly, I don’t understand why they don’t just make statements like Rabbi Belsky that Chabad is a cult and it doesn’t represent normative Judaism, but the last time I checked the Gedolim weren’t asking for my opinion..
To Seichel
I just want to repeat a point I made. You’re telling me that the Rabbis you cited all say that every Jew has a Cheilek in Olam Habo. That wasn’t my question. I asked you how your Rebbe could argue on the Gemara which said that Moshiach will save a small percentage of Jews. You’re mixing up subjects.
To Sechel
I acknowledged, when I came on this site last year that I’m not a lamdan. I stated that clearly. My strengths are that I write well, I’m logical and I tell the truth. My Rav, who’s a giant Talmid Chacham told me that I’m capable of arguing with anyone because I tell the truth. On the other hand, you are a liar. You said that there’s a Gemara which states that Yaakov Avinu is god. I checked with my Rav and no such Gemara exists. Next, I asked you to provide a proof against the Gemara in Cheilek which said that almost no Jews will be redeemed by Moshiach. You give me quotes about every Jew getting into Olam Habo. You’re mixing apples and oranges, which means that you’re stupid and/or lying. I mentioned today that the anti-Lubavichers have a strong triumvirate. You guy also have an interesting threesome, you, Shmei and Lostspark. I call you the Three Stooges.
To yankel berel
You’re right as always and I say this because I mean it. I’m not a Michanef Chas Vesholom. The problem is that there are a host of Chabad “useful idiots” prominent Rabbis who go out of their way to praise the movement. I won’t name them but Hameivin Yavin. I think we now have a “trinity” on this site. Three powerful anti-Chabad voices, you, philosopher and yours truly(I don’t mean to slight the others we fully value your contributions). Maybe a better term than “trinity” is that we are a three-ply cord which isn’t easily severed. We are right. Hashem knows we’re right and with His help we’ll eliminate this cancer which has invaded Judaism’s body and now threatens to metastasize. To be sure we don’t wish any physical harm to Chabad and I want Chabad to continue doing its great work. But the deification of the Rebbe must end.
To cs
Welcome back and Mazel Tov. We can and will fight to defend Hashem’s honor but at the end of the day we must remember that Hitler, Hamas and all our existential enemies wouldn’t distinguish between us. So let’s keep the hate out as much as possible.
To always
I think I understand your reticence about criticizing Chabad. You’re a follower of Rabbi Miller and he endorsed Chabad. Well he was wrong. And he was wrong about a number of things. I used to be part of the Miller world but I rejected it. A person has to discover the truth for himself. You can’t rely on someone to think for you. That’s the problem with Chabad.To Seichel
Please give me the proofs from the Rabbis you quoted that they reject this Gemara. I don’t read original Hebrew or Yiddish sources.To always
I don’t disagree that Chabad has done and is doing excellent things. And I’m not so cynical as to believe that every Lubavicher is trying to be Mikarev Yidden in order to convert them to Chabadianity. What I and all the others in the thread are saying is that Chabad is no longer a valid expression of Judaism since it posits that the Rebbe is god. Your argument is similar to the popular Chabad refrain, “How can you criticize us? What happens if you’re in Mozambique and you need a Kosher meal?” So that excuse being an idolater?
To philosopher
I don’t know if you read Dr. Berger’s book but he spoke extensively about the refusal of Gedolim to do anything despite all the evidence. He said that one Godol told him that we’re waiting for them to do something really bad. My guess is that they’re afraid to act because it could lead to a lawsuit and Chabad would probably win in court and in the court of world opinion.
To philosopher
I had an argument with a mainstream Jew on VIN. He believed that only a handful of Lubavichers believe that the Rebbe is Moshiach and no Lubavicher believes he’s god. It took me about 5 posts to get him to watch the Cunin video. With that he disappeared. As Paul Simon wrote, “A man hears what he wants to hear and disregards the rest.”
To the group
Menachem Shmei is resorting to Chabad’s favorite ploy. “Let’s see what you say about Chabad if you need their services.” Right. I attend a Chabad shul so that means I have to convert to Chabadianity. Chabad does great things. But it’s an idolatrous religion. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.
To Menachem Shmei
You don’t give up. A question is 10 words. Why is it so hard for you to humor an old man(me) and write a lucid 10 word or less question? We both know why you refuse to do so. It’s because the question will expose your Christian leanings.
To always
I’m not clear what point you’re making. I assume you have a question or challenge. I’d love to see it and respond to it.
To Lemayseh
I saw Telushkin’s book. He devoted a chapter near the end about the Rebbe being Moshiach. He said that this is the one problem with Chabad. Using his incredible Lomdus and Gaonis he paskened that the Rebbe completely rejected the idea he’s Moshiach.
To coffee addict
Bob Dylan wrote, “We all see the same things we just start out from a different point of view. ” Seichel will read that Maharsha
and convince himself that it’s saying his Pshat. I call the Rebbe. a Kofer because he rejected open Gemaras. One such Gemara is Sanhedrin 111A in which R Simai said that most Jews won’t be redeemed by Moshiach just as most Jews who left Egypt didn’t enter the land of Canaan. The Rebbe rejected this and said that Moshiach will save every single Jew. A few years ago I saw a Lubavichers saying this Gemara on line. First he stated the plain Pshat but then he added, “Of course that isn’t the real Pshat. He quoted some Rashi out of context to”prove” that every Jew will be saved. Such is the power of idolatry.To Lostspark
Please don’t misrepresent what I said. What I said is that Chabad as a whole is Amalek. As I explained, one function of Amalek is to instill doubt as to whether Hashem really runs the world. Since Cunin openly declared that the Rebbe runs the world and no one in Chabad has challenged him including you, this means that the entire Chabad entity behaves like a spiritual Amalek. Don’t you agree with me?
To philosopher
Once people allow the Yetzer hora to capture them the result is inevitable. I have a friend who learned at Aish Hatorah. He asked one of his Rabbonim why Lubavitchers are so successful financially. The Rabbi didn’t blink, ‘because they’re agents of Satan.” The Gemara says that the way a person wants to go Hashem leads him. Lubavitchers want to be idolaters and spread this around the world, so Hashem assists them. What they don’t understand is that ultimately, they’ll be driven out of both worlds. We warn them and warn them, but everything we say falls on deaf ears.
To the group
For two weeks Seichel pestered me to “reveal” which Mesechtas I’m learning insinuating that in fact I don’t learn at all. I finally told him it was Avodah Zarah, Berachos and Shabbos. That wasn’t good enough for him. Next he wanted to know what Daf I’m up to, so I told him Berachos 33a. Today he writes that I refused to tell him what I’m learning and this is proof that I don’t really learn. But Menachem Shmei is even worse. He continually challenged me to answer his holy question calling me a liar for ducking the question. I told him several times that no such question was ever asked so he should ask me again. Like the coward he is, he dropped the subject. The Gemara teaches that those who accuse others are invariably guilty of that act. Back in my youth there was a slogan, “You don’t have to be Jewish to love Levy’s(rye bread)”. You don’t have to be a lying, psychotic idolater to be Chabad, but isn’t it amazing how many Lubavitchers fit that description?
To the group
AFAIC, it’s all over but the shouting. Yes the idolaters will continue their nonsensical babbling, but it’s quite clear that no real Jew is buying this garbage. So what’s next? On Tisha B’Av I went to my Shabbos Shul(non Chabad). I saw one of my friends and I wanted to show him this thread, particularly Seichel who openly states that the Rebbe is god, on my phone. His reaction? “I can’t believe you can say such Loshon Hora on Tisha B”Av.” What he meant, of course, is that I refuse to look at any criticism of Chabad. So why is that? He’s a very fine person. A Ben Torah, Baal Chesed. However, many people aren’t interested in the truth. There are many reasons for this but I’d like to focus on Kiruv. Now Kiruv is a wonderful concept and I fully endorse it, but there’s a downside. Those involved in Kiruv are eternally optimistic. You’re a Mechallel Yom Kippur. No problem. Give him an Aliyah. There’s no such thing as criticism. Now that may be a necessary approach, however there is such a thing as right and wrong. We have this travesty called, “Every Yid a Big Tzaddik.” That’s a complete lie but it dovetails with Kiruv. Just be positive at all times. It’s a corollary that Kiruv workers get so caught up in their work that they forget that Hashem is watching. Not everything goes. There is right and wrong and Chabad idolatry is definitely wrong. But from my experience, most people simply don’t care about Chabad’s excesses. They excuse all Chabad’s excesses. I don’t have a solution except that we have to keep on fighting.
To yankel berel
Everything we say goes in one Chabad ear and out the other and that’s why they make jokes about it. They’re convinced that the dead heretic is god so no argument has any effect on them. As you see, I never argue with them. I simply state the facts. There’s no hope for an idolater and so it’s Bittul Zman to try to show them the error of their ways. I write to encourage others to write and to convince those who are on the fence of the Chabad menace. Boruch Hashem we are succeeding.
To the group
Seichel wrote, “i don’t call you guys any bad names cuz I beleive Hashem and the Rebbe don’t want me to do that.” Now that’s interesting. Seichel actually put Hashem before the Rebbe. But wait, when he spelled believe he put the e before the I and so maybe he did this as a code to reverse the order of two of his three gods(Yaakov is the other.) Or perhaps we should follow the Gaon who said that the simplest answer is the truth and the simple answer is that Seichel is an idiot in addition to being an idolater.
To philosopher
You write beautifully and your arguments are compelling. Welcome to the thread.
To the group
Seichel uses classic Chabad “logic.” If you want to understand how the Rebbe became God study Chabad seforim. Boruch Hashem more and more people are waking up to the truth about Chabad. Hopefully the Gedolim will soon follow.
To Philosopher
One picture is worth a thousand words. I’ve been saying this for two years since I started writing for YWN and VIN. Cunin is an idolater who not only believes the Rebbe is god but he’s devoted his life to spreading this idolatry. He’s the ultimate Choei Umachtei.
To the group
I repeat what I said this morning. Menachem Shmei has never asked me a compelling, tangible question. Don’t pay any attention to this worthless liar. The reason he won’t ask me his magical question is that he can’t do so without exposing himself as an idolater like Cunin whom he refuses to denounce.
To Menachem Shmei
Who do you think the group will believe, a liar like you or yours truly? Checkmate
To the group
When most think about Amalek, Haman immediately comes to mind. Those anti-Semites who want to eradicate us physically are one manifestation of Amalek. But Chazal note that Amalek and Safeik have the same Gematria and so there’s also a spiritual element, the enemies who want to sever our relationship with Hashem. If we look at the 20th century, Hitler represented physical Amalek while Stalin presided over the spiritual realm. I would assert that in our generation Chabad is a spiritual Amalek. Yes, these “innocent” young men and women who travel the world putting on Tefilin on disenfranchised males and giving candles to such females. Now that’s a beautiful thing and it should be encouraged however, when it comes times to talk about Judaism Hashem is never mentioned rather it’s all about the Rebbe, and sometimes the other Chabad Nesiim.
Menachem Shmei is a bright guy. He reminds me of a lawyer who knows his client committed the crime but tries to get him off by introducing reasonable doubt. So we have Rabbi Cunin who said that the Rebbe runs the world and he’ll take us out of Golus. Now this implies that Cunin believes that the Rebbe is god. So Shmei responds that we don’t have absolute proof that Cunin thinks the Rebbe is god. Here’s the flaw in that argument. For Amalek all that’s needed is a Sofek. So Shmei won’t say what Cunin actually believes. And that’s Amalek.
So Shmei will answer, “But according to Qwerty’s “logic” Kalev was Amalek, and the rabbis who attributed god-like qualities to Rebbes are also Amalek. So let’s address that challenge. Kalev was part of the Dor Hadeiah. The Midrash tells us that even a slave woman had a greater perception of Hashem than Yechezkel Ben Buzi. So there was no thought of anyone thinking that he meant that Moshe and not Hashem performed the myriads of miracles. He spoke about Ben Amram because he was piggy backing onto the words of the Meraglin to shut them up. So too the Rebbes who made statements that could sound like Kefirah, C’V, were addressing Yirei Shamayim who would certainly understand their context. In contrast Chabad’s minions know absolutely nothing about Judaism and so when they hear that the Rebbe is god they take it literally and this is Amalek. I’ll end with a story. I was in my Chabad Shul’s Sukkah last Sukkos. Two fellows looked at each other and one said, “Everything we have in our lives is from the Rebbe.” The other said, “Of course. We live in the shadow of the Rebbe.” The Rabbis of the shul don’t intentionally brainwash the congregants, but they only speak about the Rebbe and never Hashem so this is the outcome.
To the group
This morning I made a simple request to Menachem Shmei to actually formulate a question which I’ll try to answer. Shmei cites my request and continues to call me a liar for not answering his non-existent question(s). This is bordering on schizophrenia territory.
To Menachem Shmei
The moderators and myself are Yirei Shomayim. We understand the gravity of denigrating a Godol B’Yisroel. Therefore I would never say the things I’ve said about Oso Harebbe unless I was absolutely certain that my contentions are correct. In addition I have spoken to my Rabbonim and they are in complete agreement with me. Moreover, the moderators obviously agree with me or they wouldn’t print what I’ve said. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, the Rebbe rejected open Gemaras because they were at odds with his agenda.
To Menachem Shmei
I looked at the post and I don’t understand your question. I don’t read Yiddish. You have a very good command of English so formulate a question and I’ll try to answer it.
To coffee addict
Welcome to the club. Shmei will never give up. He’s like his Rebbe very smart but very Meshuga.
To the group
In case you didn’t hear Cunin’s quote he said, “Make no mistake. The Rebbe runs the world and “HE” will take us out of Golus.”
So now you’re interpreting what he said as, “Hashem runs the world and He will take us out of Galus through His shliach the Rebbe.” Now that’s obviously a forced Pshat but for argument’s sake, we’ll accept it. So here’s the question, “Does any other Jewish group(Chassidish, Litvish Sfard you name it) declare their religious leader G-d’s partner?” And the answer is checkmate.To Menachem Shmei
You’re pretending not to understand “Always Ask’s” point by taking your perfunctory shot at Misnagdim. Always was comparing Chabad’s slavish devotion to Oso Harebbe. Despite his lies and Kefirah they call him a Novi, the only perfect person who ever lived, still alive despite having died etc. In contrast, Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest man who ever lived was assailed on numerous occasions, as the Torah attests. So yes, Chabad’s insane devotion to that Kofer is far more fanatic than the respect that Moshe was accorded. And therefore Yankel Berel’s point is confirmed. You can’t compare Chabad to any other Chassidic group. No Bobover thinks Reb Shlomo is still alive. No Satmar thinks that Reb Yoeli runs the world. And no Gerrer thinks that the Sfas Emes is god or that the Imrei Emes was a Navi. And if you try your shtick and say how do I know what they’re thinking the answer is simple. No Chossid of any such groups ever promoted their Rebbe as all of those things which Chabad does ad nauseum. Well, actually there was a group like that and they started a new religion about 2000 years ago. Checkmate.
To the group
In case you didn’t hear Cunin’s quote he said, “Make no mistake. The Rebbe runs the world and “HE” will take us out of Golus.”
Anybody hearing that understands that he meant that it’s the Rebbe and “NOT” Hashem. And if that lunatic didn’t understand how his words would be interpreted then he should be removed for being an idiot. Try again, liar.To Menachem Shmei
You’re pretending not to understand “Always Ask’s” point by taking your perfunctory shot at Misnagdim. Always was comparing Chabad’s slavish devotion to Oso Harebbe. Despite his lies and Kefirah they call him a Novi, the only perfect person who ever lived, still alive despite having died etc. In contrast, Moshe Rabbeinu, the greatest man who ever lived was attacked on numerous occasions, as the Torah attests. So yes, Chabad’s insane devotion to that Kofer is far more fanatic than the respect that Moshe was accorded. And therefore Yankel Berel’s point is confirmed. You can’t compare Chabad to any other Chassidic group. No Bobover thinks Reb Shlomo is still alive. No Satmar thinks that Reb Yoeli runs the world. And no Gerrer thinks that the Sfas Emes is god or that the Imrei Emes was a Navi. And if you try your shtick and say how do I know what they’re thinking the answer is simple. No Chossid of any such groups ever promoted their Rebbe as all of those things which Chabad does ad nauseum. Well actually there was a group like that started a new religion about 2000 years ago. Checkmate.
To Menachem Shmei
You have an annoying habit of accusing me of not answering your questions when in fact no questions were actually posed. You’ve been doing this since I joined YWN, in a feeble attempt to impugn my integrity. I have answered every question sent to me by any poster. So tell me exactly what you want to know. But I have a question for you, “Why do you keep on writing? Everybody on YWN including the moderators is now squarely anti-Chabad. Do you think that your sophomoric proofs are impressing any real Jews?
To Menachem Shmei
When you address Cunin’s statement. I’ll respond to your “questions.”
To always
I’m happy to see your response. My target audience are Jews like you who aren’t sure what to make of Chabad. Those in this thread like Yankel Berel, myself, DaMoshe et. al. have clearly made the case that Chabad is an idolatrous religion which has nothing to do with Judaism except that they perform the same rituals, Shabbos Kashrus etc. Their belief system, which is the Ikkar of Judaism, is completely different because they believe that the Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. It’s my goal to wake as many Jews up to the truth as possible.
To the group
I come to praise Menachem Shmei and to bury him. Menachem is a bright guy and he writes well. He debates well and in his mind he wins all the arguments. That may be true. However there’s a referee for all these contests and He’s in Shomayim. He’s not impressed with Shmei’s tricks. We know Him as Hashem and He’s a jealous G-d.
To Seichel
Berachos 33A. Are you going to show me that you know some Pshat that I’m not familiar with? That’s possible but I don’t care. I spoke to my Rav on Shabbos. He’s Baki in Shas and said that there is no Gemara which says that Yaakov is god. You are a liar as are your landsmen. Checkmate.
To the group
Let’s just bang another nail into Shmei’s theory that Chabad is no different than Bobov and Satmar par examples. We exhibit 1 million Rabbi Shlomo Cunin who publicly stated that the Rebbe alone runsa the world. This means that he holds that the Rewbbe is god. There’s no other way to spin it. Since the Chabad machers and psycho Rabbis refuse to denounce Cunin they are endorsing his view. Therefore the Chazakah is that all Lubavichers are idolaters. Case closed. Ok, checkmate. Go back into your bunker Shmei. No one’s interested in the garbage you’re peddling.
To the group
I don’t go to the Chabad shul davka to spy on the movement but when the opportunity presents why not? Last year one of the Rabbis read a letter from the Rebbe in which he described what sets the Chabad Nesiim apart from all other Rebbes. He said that every Chabad Nasi is the Nosi Hador, the Moshe Rabbeinu Hador, and the Moshiach Hadot. So there you have it, all other Gedolim need not apply. Oso Harebbe already decided. When we combine this with Dr. Berger’s statement that the Rebbe envisioned conquering the world and the Chabad song to that effect, everything is quite clear. When the Rebbe was a tot, he dreamed he was ruler of the world. He then spent his entire existence trying to make that dream a reality. And now his braindead followers continue on that path to destruction, even denying the existence of Hashem who was replaced in a coup by Oso Harebbe. This is the truth and no one is buying Shmei’s feeble attempt to portray Chabad as an innocent Chassidic sect no different than the others. There are plenty of fools like Efrem Goldberg who happily drink the Chabad Kooolaid but more and more people are waking up to the truth. We owe a great Hakaras Hatov to YWN for allowing us to speak the truth. When I got close to a breakthrough in VIN Chabad ordered the thread to not only shut down but also to disappear. Boruch Hashem that’s not the case with YWN.
To coffee addict
I accept what you wrote and let’s focus on the task at hand exposing these lying idolaters.
To yankel berel
As usual you nailed it.I expect that Cardinal Shmei will demand that I answer his challenge and I’ll simply direct him to your post. I’d like to piggy back on to something you said last week ie that Chabad wants to eliminate mainstream Judaism and replace it with their pseudo religion. It’s far worse than that. Several years ago I spoke to Dr. Berger. He told me that the Rebbe often spoke about conquering the world. When Lubavitchers are tots they’re taught this song, “From 770 we are marching out, on to victory there is no doubt, one by one nations we are conquering. ”
To coffee addict
We can add not being Dan Lkaf Zechus to your sins. Keep messing with me. I can be very nice but I can go the other way too if I’m provoked.r
To Coffee addict
It’s interesting that all three Lubavitchers in the thread have praised me. When I started writing last year Menachem Shmei said that I have excellent writing skills. This year Lostspark said that I’m entertaining. And Seichel wants to be my Chavrusa. Now they have legitimate reasons to hate me. You, on the other hand, have no reason to dislike me. We are on the same side of the issues. And I’ve praised you. You are guilty of violating Veahavta Lereiacha Komacha and Sinat Chinam. You’re in serious trouble dude.
To coffee addict
You stated that I praised your comments regarding Chabad. In addition I noted that your moniker was very clever. So you admit that I never said anything negative about you, yet your life revolves around convincing Hashem that I’m evil. Again you’re sick.
To coffee addict
You’ve now stated that we are in total agreement on the only two issues I’ve discussed on YWN, Chabad and watching TV i.e. con on the first and pro on the second. This said let’s try to understand why you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a cross between Hitler and Stalin. Following the Gaon’s dictum, “The simplest answer is the truth.” We must conclude that you are insane and/or insanely jealous of me. Checkmate.To coffee addict
So you say that you weren’t part of the group that tried to lynch me over watching TV. I have no intention of going through that thread so I’ll take your word for it. So that means you agree to with me that watching TV is perfectly acceptable. So let me ask you, “How big is your TV and in which room(s) you keep it?
To coffee
So you agree with me that Chabad is an illegitimate religion and that the Lubavitchers, at least in this thread, are liars. Well, midvar sheker tirchok teaches us not only to stay far from lying but also from liars and so I won’t address any of the comments from the Lubavitchers, except to say checkmate.
To the group
No group in the history of Judaism has ever had its adherents state openly and unequivocally that their Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. I take that back, because I don’t want Coffee addict to accuse me of lying. There was a group about 2000 years ago. You probably heard of them. And what a coincidence each group thinks its dead leader is god. Checkmate.
To the group
Lostspark and Coffee both deny that they hate me. As my mother used to say, “Siz lacht tze redden.” Talk is cheap. What sets me apart from those individuals is that I’m not a one-trick pony. Yes, I can be critical and I have an acerbic wit. I’ll quote Jason Maoz, former editor of the Jewish Press, “You write very well, but the reason we print you is because people hate your guts, and hate sells.” So I admit that my writing elicits venom, however, I can also be pleasant and complimentary as evidenced by my exchanges with yankel berel, always ask and others. The two I mentioned, on the other hand, are always nasty and condescending. To say you don’t hate me means nothing. I’m a writer so I pick up nuances. If you learn to speak to me with respect I will respond in kind. Unfortunately, as the expression goes, “You can’t teach an old dog new tricks.”
To Lostspark
I feel the same about you. It’s a frightening thought there are Jews who don’t believe in Hashem. Amazingly, you and Sechel don’t even pretend to believe in Him. That’s how devoted you are to your god.
To coffee
Let’s say you’re right and I’m a hypocrite for calling Lubavichers idolaters and attending a Chabad shul. So which D’Oraysa or Rabonon have I violated? The answer is none. But that’s never stopped you from attacking me. Last year you tried to have me taken off YWN because I said I watch TV which, as my rav said, isn’t even Rabbinically forbidden. On the other hand, you refuse to criticize the Lubavichers who have openly stated that their Rebbe is god. That makes you a supporter of idolatry, and according to Rabbi Akiva, you have the Din of an idolater. Ok. Chillax, I know you don’t agree with Chabad. Your problem is that you’re so obsessed with proving that I’m a goy you’re no longer rational.
To coffee addict
Do you think I wrote that mind-numbingly stupid text? That was another Lubavicher doing what he could to get rid of me. As for your question, I believe it’s been answered. I attend a Chabad shul because I have no other choice if I want to Daven with a minyan. Does the shul have the status of an idolatrous temple? Obviously not. For that to occur the Gedolim would have to issue a Psak. Is it idolatry when Lubavichers state that the Rebbe is god? If you can’t answer that question you’ve got a problem. Now tell me what you want me to answer. Unlike the lying Lubavichers, I address every question that I’m asked.
To Benedict Addict
As yankel berel explained my hatred of Chabad is not Sinas Chinam, because I have valid reasons for hating them(again I have no personal animosity for them I just reject their idolatrous religion. In addition, those Lu8bavichers who hate me aren’t guilty of Sinat Chinam, because I mock and disparage their dead god. On the other hand, you are guilty of Sinas Chinam because you have no reason to hate me, but you do. So I challenge you to explain your hatred. Checkmate.
To the Group
When Rabbi Shachter’s comment was introduced to the thread, to wit that many Lubavichers daven to the Rebbe and not Hashem, Lostspark categorically denied it and asserted that anyone who does so is an idolater. Now, just a few weeks later, the liar does a 180 and supports Seichel’s thesis that the Rebbe is god because Yaakov Avinu is god C”V. Lubavichers, by definition, have no shame because their god is in a box. Therefore they lie indiscriminately. Shakespeare wrote, “Vanity the name is woman. If the Bard lived in these times he’d likely say, “Insanity thy name is Chabad.”
To yankel berel
It’s interesting that the Lubavitchers don’t ever concede a single point. We readily admit the truth e.g. the Rebbe was a gaon, many Lubavitchers are nice people. But Chabad only attacks. They behave like Doson and Aviram when Moshe tried to talk sense to them They treat us like we’re Christians trying to push our religion on them. They can’t acknowledge that we’re right in any way as that would lead them to question whether their religion is true or not.
To Menachem Shmei
You wonder why the moderators print my “calumny.” The Vilna Gaon, Chabad’s favorite Rabbi provides the solution. The greatest Rabbi of the last 300 years said, “The simplest answer is the truth.” The simple truth is that the moderators agree that Chabadianity is idolatry. And why not? You’re clearly stating that Oso Harebbe is god.
To Lostspark
I see. So you don’t think that Hashem will question those Lubavitchers who say that the Rebbe is god. For your sake I hope you’re right, but I highly doubt it. Actually I bought a set of Urim Vtumim from eBay. They really work and so I do know G-d ‘s thoughts.
To yankel berel
Thanks for defending me, but it’s not necessary. Look I might be wrong for davening in that shul but I have no other choice if I want to daven with a minyan. And if I davened at home my wife would kill me.
To Benedict Addict
Hashem will deal with you. And unlike the Lubavitchers you believe in G-d(probably).
To the whole thread
I’ll share something interesting. I just finished Maariv at the Chabad shul. Between Mincha and Maariv the Rabbi spoke about Shema. He said that there are 10 Mitzvahs in Shema and started enumerating them T he first Mitzvah is to believe in Hashem The second is to know that there is only one god. Sounds nice, but his brother said that Hashem and the Rebbe run the world together. I never challenge any of the brothers, there are three, but they’re totally mixed up.I don’t say anything because they can’t hear the truth. But they are truly nice people.
To the Jews in the Group
It’s amazing that we have the Zchus to see Chazal’s words come to life for us, Growing up I thought that idolatry was a superstition. Now we see how real it is. These Lubavichers are so lost(spark) that they don’t even realize how hopeless they are. Hashem took away Paroah’s free will, their god robbed them of their ability to recognize truth. Rabbi Miller said that Gehinnom is the world of regret. These Lubavichers will be shown these posts and Hashem will ask them why the messages didn’t get through to them. Like Korach who ultimately said that Moshe is Emes, they’ll realize that Qwerty and Yankel Berel and all the others were Emes, but by that time it will be too late.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
To Seichel
I’d like to address the point you made about Yaakov Avinu being god. Clearly you believe that esoteric statements should be understood literally. What’s interesting is that your Rebbe/god didn’t agree with that position. The question of the age of the universe is debated in Rabbinic circles. Most Rabbis don’t accept the literal view of “six days 5784” but the Rebbe did espouse that opinion. When asked about the Midrash which said that there were many worlds which existed before ours he famously answered, “those were spiritual not physical worlds” and so they don’t contradict the classical belief. It would follow that he would also explain the Midrash regarding Yaakov being god in a non-literal fashion. BTW you said there’s a which says that Gemara that Yaakov is god. Please cite that Gemara because I’m not familiar with it.
No one should pay attention to qwarty 613,He is really crazy and hates Lubavitchers because he couldn’t do the semicha by them.That is the reason and not anything else.
To Lostspark
I’m so full of anger I just can’t respond to Seichel’s unimpeachable sources. You, on the other hand, are the voice of reason. So why don’t you explain what it means that Yaakov is god? Did he create the universe? Of course, you’re a lying coward like your landsman Shmei so you never answer any question that the real Jews ask.
To coffee
Shame on you for siding with the idolaters. You’re still angry at me because I said last year that I watch TV
To Lostspark
You use the term “Sinas Chinam” inappropriately. Sinas Chinam means baseless hatred. The implication is that if one has a justifiable reason to hate another Jew(s) he is permitted and probably obligated to do so. Was Pinchas wrong for what he did? Quite the opposite. I have clearly proved that there is a substantial element within Chabad who are overt idolaters. Sechel has stated clearly that the Rebbe is god. Rabbi Cunin stated publicly that the Rebbe and not Hashem runs the world. This isn’t Korov to idolatry it is outright idolatry and since you refuse to condemn such statements one must conclude that you agree with them. If you don’t then answer my challenge and say that Sechel, Cunin and his adherents are idolaters and I renounce them. Of course you won’t do so because you’re too busy attacking YU and Touro. As for my position vis a vis the Rebbe. He was a Kofer and I’ve offered clear-cut evidence. One of my closest Rabbeim said, “The Rebbe’s Gaavah was so enormous he convinced himself he was god.” I know that you want to portray as this wild-eyed zealot who hates Lubavichers. If you saw me interact in Shul you’d have a very different picture. Everyone welcomes me when I come to shul in the morning because I daven for the Amud every day. Look most of my patients are Christians does that mean that I hate them because we have a different religion? I like most Lubavichers that I know as people but their religion isn’t Judaism AFAIC.
To Coffee Addict
Their are only three shuls in my neighborhood with daily minyanim. Two are Chabad and one is a YI with a Chabad Rabbi who I can’t stand. I won’t give up davening with a minyan and so I attend the shul I go to. I didn’t say that all Lubavichers are idolaters. What I said is that since no one repudiates those who openly state that the Rebbe is god it would seem that they should be judged as idolaters. Of course that’s not my call. Hashem has to make any such decisions and until our Gedolim pasken that one can’t daven in a place with Lubavichers I’m certainly permitted to do so.
To Seichel
Congratulations you’re now officially a Christian since you believe in the Trinity, Hashem, Yaakov Avinu and Oso Harebbe.
To Lostspark
Are you ready to disassociate yourself from Seichel or are you too busy trying to shut down YU and Touro for producing doctors and lawyers? Whatever, it’s case closed, Chabad is idolatry. To Menachem Shmei checkmate dude.