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To ARSo
You make a lot of points so I’ll try to deal with them one by one. I asked you to name a living non Chabad Rabbi who says Yaakov is still alive and you refuse. This means that you are on an island with lying Lubavitchers against all real Jews. Second, when I said that you think philosopher is Chayav Misah I was kidding like yankel berel was kidding when he implied that I think Lubavitchers aren’t Jews. Sadly, you have no sense of humor which is another reason you’re jealous of me. As for Rav Gigi’s comment I found it on line and he quotes the Ohr Hachaim as understanding Yaakov Lo Med non literally. If I found it you can find it. In addition, I found a Dear Torah from Benjamin Rose who quotes the Ksav Sofer and he also learns Yaakov Lo Mes non literally. Next, your statement about Dr. Berger. A little lomdus. Rabbi Sacks said that the Rebbe studied Hitler. If he studied him it was for a reason(s). Chabad considers themselves superior to all other Jews. In addition the Rebbe’s goal was to conquer the world. I have spelled that out in several posts. Dr. Berger personally told me that the Rebbe spoke on several occasions about conquering the world. So why is it so difficult for you to understand that Dr. Berger would agree that the Rebbe picked up ideas from that Satan? Now let’s end with two points. You admit that Shmei brings phony sources to prove the Rebbe is Moshiach. Doesn’t that Posuk him in general. Second please tell me where Artscroll says that Rashi holds Yaakov Lo Mes literally. I will certainly check it out and if you’re correct I’ll acknowledge as much.
To philosopher
Obviously he does. Lubavitchers are very Makpid on such ethereal concepts as Sinas Chinam Ahavas Yisrael when they see their religion falling apart. Old fashioned stuff like idolatry isn’t important however.
To coffee addict
Let’s focus on your statement that Hashem doesn’t attach His Name to someone who’s dead. So Shmei answers that regarding Yizchok the term Elokei Yizchok was used even though he was alive. So Shmei speculates that “perhaps” we can say the same about Yaakov, to wit since he seemed dead we can say he was dead sort of. So now we need Shmei to invent his own Torah to prove the insanity that Yaakov is still alive. The Gaon said that the simplest answer is the truth. And the simplest answer is that When Rashi said that Yaakov is alive he meant alive as per Maharsha and/or Ohr Hachaim, that is not literally alive. Surely youRashi wasn’t following the Pshat of a lying weasel like Shmei who needs to believe that Yaakov is alive to convince dummies like ARSo that the Rebbe is still alive. Why doesn’t ArSo see what’s obvious to all? Because he’s insanely jealous of me and can’t deal with the thought that I beat him Nebach.
To ARSo
My Rav confirmed that Rabbi Alive said that a supporter of idolatry is considered an idolater but he didn’t remember off hand where it’s found. As for my comparing the Rebbe and Hitler you’re getting bent out of shape for nothing. I’m not equating them. Everyone who knew the Rebbe says he was a very nice person. What I said is that the Rebbe learned two things from Hitler, how to create brain-dead followers and how toto conquer the world. If you had an eighth of a brain you’d see I’m right. Maybe you need to be checkmated.
To coffee addict
You scored a direct hit with your two questions. Great job .ARSo the Shmei puppet can’t answer either question so he says, We don’t die from a question..” When we add my two questions is why do Maharsha and Ohr Hachaim not accept Rashi’s statement literally. So now there are 4 powerful challenges to the ridiculous notion that Yaakov is still alive. So you don’t kill yourself if you have a question but when you have 4 powerful questions that all prove that Rashi’s Pshat isn’t meant to be literal a rational person realizes he was wrong. As for Shmei’s bubba maasehs, pay no attention to them..I caught the lying Kofer in my previous post where he falsely represents a statement of Rav Yochanan. We have two liars. One ARSo whos unable to admit that he was fooled by Shmei. And Sbmei who pushed this Yaakov alive garbage to fool people into believing that his god Rebbuh is still alive.
To the group
Maharsha explains Yaakov Lo Meis to mean that his soul is immortal. So Maharsha and Ohr Hachaim don’t learn the Gemara literally. More good news. This time Shmei got caught with his pants down As I’ve said on many occasions Schneersohn’ is a lying Kofer because he rejected the Gemara in Cheilek. Again, Rava said that the events at the final redemption will mirror what happened at Yetzias Mitzrayim, meaning that only a small percentage will be redeemed. Since the Rebbe rejected this Gemara, all Chabad has to excuse his Kefirah. This is what Shmei came up with. He quoted Rav Yochanan saying, “It’s not satisfactory to Hashem that you said this about them is according to Resh Lakish most of the Jewish people will be doomed to Gehinnom. rather even if one learned only one law he has a share in Olam Habo. Very nice. Here’s the problem..That quote has nothing to do with Rava’s statement which comes 30 lines later on the Amud. Another failed attempt by Shmei to cover up for the Kofer in the box.
To coffee addict
Harav Baruch Gigi has an excellent Dvar Torah on the subject. He quotes the Ohr Hachaim who explained that Yaakov Lo Meis means that his mission continued because he left over 12 sons who were all Tzaddikim. We know they were righteous because they told Yaakov Shema Yisrael Hashem Elokeinu Hashem Echad. Enough of Shmei’s lies and ARSo’s stupidity.
To ARSo
I quoted Rabbi Plutchok telling me,”Everything you say about Chabad and the Rebbe is correct.” This means I have his Haskomah. But no I didn’t check the Hitler comparison with him, but Dr. Berger agrees with it so that’s reliable. I did quote Rabbi Plutchok saying that the Rebbe’s gaavah was so enormous he convinced himself that he’s god. That says it all As for the question I asked you. There’s actually two of them both on 9/17 at 20:49 am. One is a question and one is a challenge. The challenge is for you to name a living non-Chabad Rabbi who says Yaakov Avinu is still physically alive. The question is based on your statement. You said that if the discussion was Menachem’s belief in the LR and Moshiach you would disagree with everything he wrote. I asked you why you would disagree with him. I’m sure he has phony sources for this garbage. As for the Rabbi Akiva quote, bli Neder I’ll see my Rav tonight and get it. If I’m wrong I’ll admit it. Finally as I’ve said numerous not all Lubavitchers are idolaters and even those who are largely keep it to themselves so there’s no problem davening with them
To coffee addict
Very nice but Shmei will squirm out of it, ignore or change the subject like the pathological liar he is. Let the “goon” ARSo answer the question. He’s a total moron believing that Yaakov is alive because Shmei said so. I
To the group
I tried to engage in a discussion with ARSo but he’s acting like a jerk, so AFAIC he’s persona non grata. If he wants to end up with Shmei, gezunterheit.
To yankel berel
I didn’t understand your point. Are you implying that I don’t consider Lubavitchers to be Jewish? I certainly do and therefore Lostspark will be held accountable for yesterday’s despicable statement. He violated several Lavin and Ashes. Despite what L Rebbe said. Gehinnom still exists.
To always
I brought up the Halacha of studying Kabbalah after 40 because ARSo was insinuating that philosopher was Chayav Misah for learning Gemara. Interestingly he has no problem with Lubavitchers who violate the Kabbalah at 40 edict. In addition he won’t criticize Lostspark’s anti-Semitic trope directed at a Godol Byisrael. The Gemara says that anger is a form of idolatry. BA’s jealousy of my superiority has turned him into a supporter of Chabad idolatry.
To Lostspark
A grosse yasher koach. You did more, with your insane rant, to damage Chabad’s cause in this thread than all the anti- Lubavitchers combined. Great job.
To Benedict ARSo
Do you still want to be on Shmei’s team? Well as far as Hashem is concerned you’re accepting what Lostspark said. You better think long and hard as RH approaches. Hey coffee addict was also angry at me but he wished up and realized who the real enemy is. It’s your call dude.
To the group
This fellow gave a Yahrtzeit Kiddush for his mother last Shabbos. The Rabbi said that he never met the woman but he knows her because she must be like her son(he’s a great guy.,) We can say the same thing for the Rebbe. The 3 Stooges in this thread reflect perfectly on him.
To the group
I knew that my comparing the Rebbe and Hitler would raise some eyebrows but I won’t back down. Rabbi Sacks said that the Rebbe studied Hitler and said that he wanted to kill every Jew I’ll save every Jew. Sounds nice, but it’s just a sound byte. The Gaon said that everything a person says is a lie. What that means is people say what they think others want to hear. That’s why politicians tell their constituents that they’re going to clean up corruption and you know the rest. The Rebbe studied Hitler for two reasons. First he wanted to copy him and create a Chassidus of brain-dead followers. Mission accomplished. Next he wanted to conquer the world. Shmuel Boteach wrote a piece about 12 years ago in which he advocated razing 770 and replacing it with an international think tank. He said, “This will allow us to fulfill the Rebbe’s dream of global domination. When I discussed this with Dr. Berger he said that the Rebbe often spoke about conquering the world. Then we have the Chabad song From 770 we are marching out on to victory there is no doubt. One by one nations we are conquering. Then we have the Rebbe’s dream. When he was three or four he had a dream in which he was king of the world. Now the Shmei’s of the world will tell us that the Rebbe wanted to conquer the world with Torah. No one with a brain is buying it. As the Gaon said ,”The simplest answer is the truth. When the Rebbe announced in 1962 that he’s god clothed in human form, it was his coming out party as ruler of the universe.
To the group
Yemach Shmad takes duplicity to a new level. I wrote, “These are the rules AFAIC complete honesty and respecting the opposing viewpoint etc. To this Shmad wrote, “Qwerty thanks I laughed so hard when I read that ” Now there was nothing funny in that statement. If Shmad laughed it’s because he felt my statement was hypocritical. Therefore he must believe that I’m a liar and I don’t show respect to my opponents. As for the latter part that would be correct I don’t show respect to lying idolaters like Shmad, psychos like Lostspark and dirty traitors like Benedict ARSo. On the other hand, I am quite respectful to always even though we’re not on the same side. Now what’s left is for Shmad to address his insinuation that I’ve lied. He won’t because he knows I never lie. So to Menachem Shmad checkmate. To Benedict ARSo. I’m waiting for an answer or to see how you try to squirm out of the question.
To the group
Don’t be surprised by Lostsparks rant. From 2003 -2009 I attended a YI whose Rabbi was and is militantly Chabad. I used to speak at Shalosh Seudas. One Shabbos I decided to say something from the Gaon. I began by saying that he was the greatest Rabbi of the last 300 years. The Rabbi exploded, “Let me quote the Rogatchover Gaon, people think that the Vilna Gaon was a Gaon. Feh. There was only one Gaon, the Baal Hatanya.” This Rabbi also put down the Chofetz Chaim. I never heard them insult Rav Moshe but they tell a number of stories in which.he accepted the Rebbe as his superior.C’V.
To Menachem Shmei
You mocked my recent post calling for honesty in the thread and implied that I’m a liar. Please provide an example of a lie I’ve told. Give post number date and time.
To the group
Something else to consider. My Chabad Rabbi said that Gehinnom no longer exists. The Rebbe eliminated it when he became god. It was one of his campaign promises. Therefore according to Chabad a Jew can sin and he faces no consequences.
To always
It’s also Halacha that one doesn’t learn Kabbalah until he’s forty years old and has mastered Nigleh. That hasn’t stopped Chabad from encouraging children to study the esoteric. The phony ARSo will excuse that because he’s afraid to anger his new Bestie Menachem Shmad.
To ARSo
“I’m sure that if the discussion was Menachem’s belief in the LR and Moshiach I would disagree with everything he wrote.,” Please explain why you would disagree with him. I’m sure he has Chazal to back him up.
To ARSo
So in addition to being a traitor and a male chauvinist pig you’re also a moron. I’ve told you that everything I say I either heard from Rabbi Plutchok or I checked it’s veracity with him. So now I’m supposed to ask for his opinion. He calls himself a strict Maimonidean which means that he holds that Hashem never violates natural law. I’m not telling you to agree with him, I don’t agree with him o100 percent on that point. I just mentioned him to show you that there are great Rabbis who reject your stupidity. Menachem Shmad accepts that Yakov Avinu is alive because it fits his agenda, but only a numbskull like you also believes it. I challenge you to name a non Chabad Rabbi who takes that Chazal literally. I will Bli Neder contact him to verify that it’s true
To the group
Menachem Shmei claims that he answered my assertion that the Rebbe is a Kofer because he rejected the Gemara in Cheilek. Here’s the problem. The Rebbe rejected the Gemara without any reference to it. A Lubavicher taught me the Rebbe’s Sichah on the subject and there’s no mention of the Gemara at all. Rather he wrote as follows, “In the Haggadah it says, we tell the wicked son that had you been there you wouldn’t have been redeemed, but the Diyuk is that in Yemos Hamoshiach you will be redeemed.” Total nonsense. Then we have that Chabad Rabbi who rejected the plain Pshat because he claims to have a Rashi which contradicts the Pshat. Finally Menachem Shmei contradicts the Pshat by stating that R Yochanan disagreed. With it. So we have these 3 stooges who all reject plain Pshat because it goes against Schneersohn’s agenda. Why make up three different forced explanations. So Shmei will answer that the three approaches compliment each other. Good. So why can’t Chabad agree as to whether the Rebbe is alive or not. And why can’t they agree as to whether he is Moshiach or will be Moshiach. The Vilna Gaon said that the simplest answer is the truth. Chabad makes everything up. Last year when ARSo was in his right mind he argued forcefully and correctly that before Gimmel Tammuz there was no suggestion of Moshiach coming from the dead in CH. A day after Gimmel Tammuz part of Chabad, changed it’s mind. This is a made up religion which stinks from its head. That would be their god in a box. Checkmate.
To philosopher
Look how beautifully we get along. We respect and listen to each other’s opinions. Unfortunately Shmei and ARSo are always in attack mode. This is because they know their positions are indefensible. Let me clarify something. I’m from the LES but I no longer live there. However I spend an occasional Shabbos in the neighborhood. The main shul in the community is the Bialystoker. On Shabbos a certain Rebbitzen gives a class for about a dozen women. She’s exceptionally knowledgeable, and no one looks askance at her. Baruch Hashem on the LES no one pays attention to labels. All denominations of Jews get along with each other. ARSo is playing the woman card to push you off. I have him trapped now because he “dared” me to ask Rabbi Plutchok for his views..I obviously know what Rabbi Plutchok holds.because he’s been my Rav for over a decade. I think it’s time to checkmate ARSo which is the proper fate for anyone who chooses to associate with a primordial serpent and idolater instead of a real Jew like myself.
To the group
Menachem Shmei and ARSo are constantly demeaning Philosopher and yours truly by calling us ignorant and arrogant. Ignorant in Torah as we concede, and arrogant in that we deign to argue against such self-impressed luminaries. One can imagine that their ancestors were equally bombastic so let’s play out the following. A fellow arrives in the Bes Medrash some two thousand years ago. He doesn’t know very much and he asks a lot of seemingly childish questions. Shmei and ARSO senior complain to the Rosh Yeshiva to throw out the newcomer but their pleas fall on deaf ears. We all know the rest of the story. That “interloper” was Rabbi Akiva. Last Shabbos I came to shul(not Chabad. I don’t go there on weekdays because they start too late). I had a question for one of the Rabbis, “I left a piece of paper in my pants that I’d like to look at on Shabbos. Are my pants Muktzeh because they have money in them?” He told me they’re not Muktzeh and spent ten minutes explaining his reasoning..Later that day I returned for Mincha and the Rabbi thanked me. You know I liked your question very much and we spent our Shabbos meal discussing it. This is how a Jew acts. Not like Shmei who calls philosopher an ignoramus or ARSo who says she’s a shiksa for learning Gemara. (Of course Benedict ARSo now condones idolatry because he believes in anything and anyone who’s against me) All the Rabbis with whom I associate act like this. Their constant encouragement helped me advance. Now let’s consider Shmei. He’s a member of the Chabavich sect. They consider themselves the kings of Kiruv yet he maligns philosopher because, in his psychotic mind, she misunderstood Pshat in a Rishon. Surely a capital offense. Is this the attitude of a Kiruv worker? That’s a rhetorical question. By definition Chabad doesn’t do Kiruv since they don’t believe in Hashem. They try to put Tefilin on male Mechallels and give Shabbos candles to female Mechallels all the while hoping to indoctrinate them into the cult.
To philosopher
You made a very important point about Tanach being written ambiguously and I’d like to expand on it. The Gemara in BK says that man is a searcher. The Diyuk is that he isn’t necessarily a finder. Hashem wants us to keep looking. When the Midrash tells us that Yisro studied every form of AZ it was meant as an encomium. He never stopped looking. Let’s contrast that with Chabad. The Gemara in Cheilek 111a says that events at the final redemption will mirror what occurred at Yetzias Mitzrayim. This is anathema for Chabad because the Rebbe rejected this Gemara. I once heard a Lubavicher say over the Gemara. First he said the accepted Pshat then he added, “We know that this Pshat is wrong because there’s a Rashi in Devarim which says that Hashem will take each Jew out of Golus.” So here’s the point. The Rashi in question says Hashem will take the Jews out one by one., but it doesn’t say everyone. Now if Chabad said that it’s possible to learn this Pshat, I could hear it, but that’s not what they say. What they say is that the Rebbe ‘s Kefirah is the only Pshat. You keep on learning. Hashem far prefers your Torah then the garbage from liars like Shmei and close minded jerks like ARSo.
To ARSo
Rabbi Plutchok is about as far from an Apikorus as one could be. I stand by ever thing I said about him. Go visit him. I can’t give you his phone number because I have no Rishus. Instead of calling me name find out the truth, but you never will because it will make you rethink your position. Btw thanks for lauding my joke. It was pretty good. Maybe there’s hope for you
To ARSo
Hey bigmouth. If you question that I’m telling the truth go to the Five Towns and look up Rabbi Plutchok. Ask him his opinion of Chabad. Then tell him you can prove from a Siyum in the Rif that Yaakov Avinu is still alive. He’ll fit you for a straight jacket.
To philosopher
I would add that Benedict ARSo should also be excluded from the Bes Medrash. Look at his quote, “Perhaps this is the reason that Chazal said that Gemoro should be restricted to men and not women.” If you say it’s restricted to men don’t I know that women are excluded? So we add idiot to your resume. Or maybe you should exclude Lubavitchers because liars and idolaters have no share in Hashem’s Torah
To philosopher
Mark Twain wrote, “When you keep your mouth shut I only think you’re stupid, but when you open it, you remove all doubt.” I can’t believe that Benedict ARSo is now playing the worthless women card. Elke Bentley just finished Shas. She started at 16 finished at 18..She also attends Harvard. The problem with ARSo is that he’s so angry it’s made him a raving lunatic. Don’t you think it’s time he was checkmated?
To ARSo
You’re so deranged that you’re making insane accusations. I never said you’re Chabad. Rabbi Dovic Hollander, you probably heard of him, told me the following, “Don’t try to understand a Tasha, because you aren’t a Rasha.” If you gained some composure you’d realize how close I am to so many great Rabbis. There are two reasons. First we show each other the utmost respect . They know I’m a Johnny Come Lately in Torah but my writing skills are a match for anyone and they love my weekly Diver Torah. But the second reason is more important. I say what I mean and I don’t change my position unless I’m proven wrong. Shmei paid you a compliment and you did a 180 so that you’re now defending the Christians. Hashem sees everything. But at this point it’s questionable if you still believe in Him. Rabbi Miller said that Emunah means loyalty. Baruch Hashem philosopher and Yankel berel are true to the cause, but you’re a traitor. If you had a brain you’d be very afraid .
Philosopher
You’re doing a great job. When Shmei is reduced to name-calling his end is near. Again make believe he doesn’t exist because in Hashem’s eyes he’s yemach Shmei
To yankel berel
As I told philosopher, there’s no point in dealing with Shmei. You’d have a better chance of getting through to the concentration camp commandant. The analogy of Chabadiam and Nazism is.striking. In each case the adherents are slavishly devoted to their leader.
To the new and disproved ARSo
I can’t ask Rav Dovid what he thinks because he was Niftar. You probably assume that East Siders communicate with their dead Rabbis like Chabad does but you’d be mistaken. Let me quote Rabbi Plutchok, “The Rebbe’s gaavah was so enormous he convinced himself he was god. “A second quote, “Every thing you(referring to me) say about Chabad and the Rebbe is absolutely true. Rav Dovid’s son in law is also in lockstep with my views. As I said recently I am a Yirei Shomayim. I would never say these things if I had any doubt of their veracity and if my Rabbinim disagreed with me.
To philosopher
It’s human nature to assume that all people are basically the same. You therefore fell into the Shmei trap assuming that he’s interested in the truth. Many years ago I read that German and Austrian Jews who were brought to the camps showed off the medals they won in the first war. They thought it would save them Obviously they were dead wrong. Shmei is exactly the same. He doesn’t care about any valid arguments that we make. When he agreed with BA(Benedict ARSo) I couldn’t figure it out. Now we know it’s more Chabad fraud. DaMoshe wants me to treat these vermin like Heilege Yidden. They are Amalek. Nuff said.
To ARSo
I’ll answer your question, but with one proviso. Are you the same person who beautifully attacked Chabad last year in Menachem Shmei’s thread?
To the group of real Jews
I spoke to a Rav yesterday and he clarified the position I took last week. As stated Rambam’s approach is to eschew the phantasmagoric. Therefore we are enjoined to look for Hashem in the rational world. This Rabbi added the following, Hashem can and has transcended natural law, however we only say that this happened when we have clear-cut proof to that effect. Therefore if a Rishon said the following, “For Yaakov to be alive after 2000 years plus violates natural law, but I have definite proof that it is factually true then if no other equal authority challenges this we would have to accept it” If however, Rishonim are making ambiguous statements then no, we don’t dismiss Rambam. And, of course, adding to the equation is that Chabad has a Negias in the matter. If they can con people into believing that Yaakov is actually alive it allows them to sell the garbage that the Kofer is also alive. Any way you slice it, the question is closed unless you’re a lying, psychotic Lubavicher.
To the real Jews
I think you’ll find this interesting. The FJJ devotes a page to Rabbi Miller each week. It presents questions and answers from his famous Thursday night shiurim. About a year ago this was one of the questions, “Why do Lubavichers think they’re better than other Jews? He answered, “Every Jewish group should think that they’re the best. That they learn the most etc.” Clearly, the person who asked the question was attuned to the Chabad attitude that they are the “Master Race of Judaism” an idea that Schneersohn picked up from Hitler. This query was posed in 1975 so we see that Chabad didn’t become a problem just because of the Rebbe’s death. As for why Rabbi Miller gave that answer, I won’t speculate.
To philosopher
Your points are spot on, but I’ll just add one thing. The same Lubavichers who make these claims will say the opposite in other post(s.) if that suits their agenda. They have no shame because they don’t believe that Hashem exists. Last year I was arguing online (VIN) with this Lubavicher who was trying to convince me that the Rebbe runs the world, “How do you explain Tzaddik Gozeir Vhashem Mikayem?” he asked. I answered, “How do you explain Hashem Echad, Veain Od Milvado?” Let’s do our best to ignore anything said by the stooges. Hashem’s seal is Emes and so He despises them. BTW, they also believe, as Yankel Berel stated, that their dead Kofer is god. DaMoshe is angry at me because of the tone of my rhetoric. When dealing with idolaters we are enjoined to be as vicious and/or sarcastic as possible. They are Hashem’s enemies and their end is coming.
To ARSo
I ignored your question above because of its stupidity but now I’ll respond, “I don’t answer questions from Christians. Philosopher theorizes that you’re Chabad. She may be right, but even if you aren’t you are now a supporter and Rabbi Akiva said that a supporter of idolatry is an idolater.”
To Philosopher
I apologize for assuming you’re a male. I will reiterate that you write beautifully and are a tremendous asset to the team of those who believe in Hashem. Now that you’ve stated your gender let me add some Torah. The mistake that Chavah made is that she conversed with the snake. I have intentionally referred to Shmei as the primordial serpent because he follows that MO. He never makes a definitive statement, rather whatever his opponent says he twists. It was particularly important for Shmei to engage you and the others in that idiotic discussion as to whether Yaakov is still alive because he felt the heat from the Candace Owens question. There are many ways to checkmate Chabad, but Owens accidentally hit on a very powerful approach. What’s interesting is that Boteach does not believe the Rebbe is Moshiach. He was interviewed by Zev Brenner years ago and he stated that Judaism does not accept any suggestion of a second coming. Checkmate.
To the group
Shmei has protested my posts and perhaps he has a point. I’ve been calling him a liar but that’s unfair. As all can attest I’ve consistently stated that Schneersohn is his god and not Hashem and he has never contested that contention. Therefore he’s Modeh Al Haemes and not a liar. Congratulations Shmei you checkmated me.
To the group
Shmei is surprised that the moderators print my posts in which I call him a liar and his mentor a Kofer. As I stated in an earlier post the reason they print it is because it’s true and they agree. The GRA said that the simplest answer is the truth. That’s the simplest answer. By printing what I write they’re telling Shmei that they’re not fooled by his tricks. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence and intellectual honesty, to exclude ARSo, saw through his refusal to address the Candace Owens question because it exposed the lie called Chabadianity. Checkmate.
To philosopher
Again I remind you that arguing with Shmei is an exercise in futility. He’s a proven prevaricator so who care what proofs he brings you? He just wants to steer the conversation away from Chabad’s idolatry. You’re a bright guy and a good guy, but I fully understand Chabad and how to deal with them and that’s why they focus their attacks on me. But I won’t stop.
To the group
I see that ARSo has several comments this morning. I assume he was energized by having his favorite breakfast, “Eggs benedict.” Okay that’s my last flippant comment, now let’s get serious. I enjoy healthy debate but both sides must play by the rules. These are the rules, AFAIC, complete honesty and respecting the opposing viewpoint as well as the opponent are required. Shmei doesn’t meet the first criterion and so I refuse to engage in any further discussion with him. As for the second, ARSo ignores the points I’m making and simply looks to find some way to shoot them down as well as attack my character. As I’ve explained, I am a rationalist as are the Rabbis to whom I cleave. We categorically reject statements which violate natural law. Genesis 6:3 sets the human life span at a maximum of 120. Therefore when we have Chazal which says that Yishai lived to 400 I don’t accept that literal interpretation. Are there others who do accept it? Absolutely and I would never try to change their minds. Eilu Veilu Divrei Elokim includes respecting other people’s views. Some believe in six days, 5784 others don’t. It’s not Kefirah to be in the second group. As I noted, my Rabbis include Rav Dovid Feinstein’s son-in-law, and Rabbi Moshe Plutchok. They are both iluim, but most of all they are strict Maimonideans. They would consider anyone who believes(Seichel why can’t you learn how to spell this word) Yaakov Avinu to be physically alive to be a nut job. And the same applies to the god in a box in Queens. As for ARSo’s suggestion that I am a kofer because I reject the concept of miracles. I definitely don’t reject the idea of miracles, what I reject is the concept that a miracle must involve Hashem suspending or violating natural law. I certainly agree that He is able to do that if He chooses, but as a rule He chooses not to. Are there exceptions to this rule? I’m not sure. The problem with viewing statements in the Torah and Chazal literally is that you end up like Chabad and make completely insane assertions. If anyone is willing to discuss any matter with me in a civilized manner, I’m always at the ready, but if you simply want to prove that I’m an atheist and a Kofer, I’ll reserve my comments for the reasonable Jews in this thread.
To always
The Gemara says that idolaters are davuk, slavishly obsessed with their getchke. Most, if not all Lubavitchers will not accept the real Moshiach. The question is what they’ll do when he comes.
To philosopher
Don’t fall into the trap of engaging in a discussion with Shmei. He’s a consummate liar and phony like his worthless Rebbe/god. It’s interesting that Benedict ARSo stated that in his first posting on this thread he asked the Lubavitchers to definitively state if they believe the Rebbe is physically alive but no one has answered him. Someone with a quarter of a brain would understand that the reason they never answer any question is because they know that they’re going to change whatever they said at some later date. An intelligent person would write them off, but this fool is sucking up to them while attacking me. It’s truly an upside down world. At least coffee addict straightened himself out, but it appears that Arso is lost
To the moderators
My bad. I wanted to end my last post with the following, “A Chassidishe Rav who lived on the LES once told me, “If you believe in everything you’re a fool, but if you believe in nothing you’re a Kofer.” A person has to develop his own “truemometer” to recognize the truth. This can only be accomplished if one has the desire to see the truth, a quality that’s totally lacking in Lubavichers and its acolytes.
To the normal posters(you know who you are)
The debate is over because Shmei couldn’t and/or wouldn’t answer Candace Owens’ question. Let’s take a step back and break this thread down. The Lubavichers aka the Three Stooges use the phantasmagoric as fact to substantiate their idolatrous beliefs and Benedict ARSo appears to be joining their ranks. I saw the following:(on YWN OR VIN?) Why can’t the Rebbe commute between the Ohel and 770? Rebbe visited his wife after he died. Aside from the Chuptzah of comparing some Rabbi to a Tanna, these stories aren’t factually understandable and they certainly can’t be used as a paradigm to elicit similar incidents. ARSo is now convinced that Yaakov Avinu is still alive. Let him tell that to his Rav. The Rav won’t ask if he took his meds, he’ll have him put away. Yes, the Torah(Tanach, Gemara, Midrash, etc. is replete with references to the supernatural, but it’s our job to discern the truth within. Generally speaking, we’re expected to eschew the fantastic in favor of the mundane. Hameivin yavin.
To coffee addict
That’s what Shmei is implying but he will never give you or anyone a straightforward answer because he wants to be able to reverse himself when the need presents.
To DaMoshe
I assume you’re taking a shot at me because I attend a Chabad synagogue and therefore you’re implying that when I go there I engage in theological discussions with Meshichistim. Nothing could be further from the truth. I come there for a minyan and that’s all. We’re friendly but I don’t push my beliefs on them and vice versa. Try again
To ARSo
Your comment is beyond the pale. It’s in the style the Lubavichers use when they try to delegitimize me. Are you so jealous of my writing ability that you insinuate that I’m mentally ill? Continue developing your budding friendship with Shmei. You deserve each other.
To yankel berel
When Christians approach a Jew on the street politely asking for a few moments to discuss their theology, he’s trained to demur and hightail it out of there as fast as possible. We don’t engage in discussions with Christians. The same applies to Chabad. They have nothing to offer except distortions of the Torah aimed at obfuscation. ARSo seems to have forgotten that basic principle and so he’s now in the sewer comparing notes with that sewer rat Shmei. I can’t believe that Shmei’s attempt to butter him up worked. The power of Shochad. Rav Reuvein Feinstein(we lived in the same building on the LES years ago) told me the following, “Judaism is pretty simple. Just keep the Mitzvohs as best as you can.” Look at these Lubavichers twisting themselves into pretzels to reinvent our pristine religion just to convince themselves that the Rebbe is god. And ARSo is falling for Shme’s trap. You see that Shmei won’t address the Owens question. When he comes to the next world he’ll be told that her question checkmated him.
To yankel berel
It’s not enough that vermin like Shmei (that’s right DaMoshe) show contempt for real Jews by lying to us and thinking that we can be fooled but they’re not afraid to lie in Hashem’s face in Elul.The reason they have no fear is because they don’t believe He exists. That’s the power of idolatry.
To DaMoshe
Yes, I said those things and I would say much worse if I could. Shmei is not only an idolater but he’s a Chote U’Machte as he’s trying to fool others into believing the Chabad lies. Therefore we are obligated to treat him and others of similar mind as Hashem’s enemies. Case closed.
To the group
I spoke to Rav David Feinstein’s son-in-law. He’s my biggest Mashpia in Torah and I told him that posters are arguing if Yaakov Avinu is still alive. You can imagine what he said. Being a Torah Jew doesn’t require one to replace rationality with voodoo logic. To that point my other Mashpia Rabbi Moshe Plutchok says that we follow Rambam who rejects any violation of natural law even Bilaam ‘s talking donkey. The Gemara says ,”Lama Li Kra, Sevara He?” Judaism is a rational religion. This is the point that philosopher and yankel berel are making and obviously they’re right.
To the group
Let’s take a step back and try to explain why the Owens question is such an anathema for Shmei. You’ll recall that he ignored the query for three days and yesterday he tried to fool us by inventing a different question. To reiterate, she asked Boteach why Chabad rejects Christianity but believes that the Rebbe will have a second coming. Seemingly Shmei could have answered that the Rebbe’s return isn’t a second coming because he’s still alive like Yaakov.,(obviously Boteach couldn’t say such nonsensical garbage) So why didn’t Shmei say this? Some years ago a Chabad Rabbi explained why there’s a split in CH as to whether or not the Rebbe is still alive. As ARSo said last year, before Gimmel Tammuz all Chabad held that Moshiach can’t come from the dead. After Gimmel Tammuz they had to recalibrate. Some refused to change their view about Moshiach coming from the dead and so they “paskened” that he’s alive. Others understood how ridiculous that sounds and so they accepted that he’s dead and relied on the Gemara which said that Moshiach can come from the dead. The point to understand is that when Chabad says something it’s never based on Torah or logic. They simply make everything up. And then the lying phonies like Shmei hit us with Rishonim and Achronim to make their opinions appear legitimate. It’s all a cover up for their lies, just as their dead Getchke made up his “Torah ” Therefore it’s checkmate, no Tiyufta D’Chabad Tiyufta.
To ARSo
Thank you for proving the words of Chazal on the power of shochad. Shmei pays you compliments and now you’re siding with him. You made an excellent point in an earlier post that you didn’t understand what Shmei said. The reason you didn’t understand it is because it’s a complete lie. He refuses to address the Owens question because he knows it’s checkmate. But you’re too busy trying to prove I’m arrogant to recognize that he’s a filthy liar. At least we still have philosopher yankel berel, and coffee addict who can’t be fooled. If I left someone out I apologize.
To ARSo
You’re claiming that I’m arrogant. I don’t disagree with that statement. What I wrote is that I may be seen as arrogant when I write but those who know me would agree that I’m extremely humble. In other words, my writing persona is 180 degrees different than my actual personality. It’s not hypocritical at all. As I’ve stated I have many Chabad friendships. If I came to shul and told them what I thought of the Rebbe would they tolerate me? For Darkei Sholom I keep my mouth shut. YWN affords us the opportunity, in an anonymous setting, to tell the truth. Next, you asked Shmei to explain what he wrote. I asked him a simple question, a question that was posed by Candace Owens to Boteach, “How can you insult Christianity because it believed in a “second coming” when you’re part of the Chabad sect which also believes in a second coming?’ Boteach didn’t answer the question, so I presented it to the 3 Chabad Stooges, particularly Shmei. For a few days he ignored the question but today he tried to pull the wool over our eyes by rephrasing the question, which had nothing to do with what Owens asked. He knows he can’t answer the question and so I’ll arrogantly write CHECKMATE.
to NyetMoshe
I changed your handle because you’re annoying me. I asked you to give me a specific reference that you find offensive but you answered with platitudes. Yes, let’s all be nice to the idolaters who say that the Rebbe runs the world. I’m more than willing to discuss the matter, but people are so afraid to debate with me because they know I’ll win and embarrass them. If you have something to say, say it, don’t quote me Chazal. We’re dealing with idolatry, you don’t play nice with them.
To the group
Menachem Shmei takes lying to a dimension that I’ve never seen. Yankel Berel and I asked Shmei to answer the question that Candace Owens asked Shmuely Boteach in their debate. Just to repeat. The question was, “Why do you(Rabbi) reject Christianity because of its belief in a “A Second Coming” yet your sect(Chabad-Lubavich) also believes in “A Second Coming?” We’ve asked Shmei to respond and he ignored our request. Today, out of the goodness of his heart, he answers, by rephrasing the question as follows, “Why do Lubavichers reject Christianity?” That was not the question. If Shmei thinks it was then he can add retard to his resume. Shmei likes to refer to me as arrogant and ignorant, and now he’s adding philosopher to the club. I admit to being arrogant when I write(although not in real life) and as for ignorance, I’m the first to say that my Torah knowledge is limited. This said, I am an Ish Emes. I agree that Shmei is bright and an excellent writer, however, among his manifold flaws is that he assumes that those who challenge him are stupid. As I pointed out in a previous post, Lubavichers were trained by their Rebbe. who took the idea from Hitler, to believe that they are the “master race” of Judaism, and so they view their opponents as untermenschen. No one, except Lostspark last week, has ever called me stupid and there’s a reason for that. Shmei is cornered. He’s like the person in chess who has one pawn left while his opponent has all its big guns. His end is coming it’s only a matter of time.