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To Yaakov Yosef A
Apparently, Shimon’s Mussar got to you and your last post was written in a civilized manner and so I’ll respond in kind. Let me state, up front, that the YWN Coffee Room isn’t a court of law nor a Bes Din and so my only obligation, as a Torah Jew, is to speak the truth. Whether you choose to accept what I say doesn’t concern me. With that preamble I’ll address your points. You say that you’ve never seen in Chabad seforim the story of the Rebbe deciding that he was Moshiach after a dream he had when he was three years old. That may be so, but this is what that Rabbi told me and he’s part of a very Chashuv Chabad family. I’ll add another point that this Rabbi told me. The Rebbe had an ongoing correspondence with Zalman Shazar, a Lubavicher who became President of Israel. In one letter, Mr. Shazar asked the Rebbe why he doesn’t address him as Nasi Yisroel, so the Rebbe told him it’s because he had a dream as a child of who the real Nasi is and so he can’t give anyone else that title. The implication is obvious. Mow do I think the Rebbe was a Novi? Obviously not. But I know that the Chazakah in CH is that he was. How then would you explain why Chabad came to that insane conclusion? As for Manis Friedman. A Godol Biyisrael named Rav Aharon Feldman said he’s a Kofer and presented the video in which Manis states that a Jew can do any sin he wants and nothing will happen to him. Manis also said that today Mizvahs are optional. Rabbi Efren Goldberg told him that this is Kefirah and Manis laughed in his face. If you want to know what Manis meant, then you can call him. I know a Kofer when I see one.
To Shimon Katz
Let me say, at the outset, that I like you and I like your style. You’re the first person to call out YYA. He’s a totally despicable liar. He accused (Dec 4th) me of stating that the Rebbe committed horrible crimes for the basest of motives. Absolute sheker. What I said is that the Rebbe’s goal in establishing Chabad houses was not Kiruv (that might be a side benefit) rather it’s to conquer the world. Why do I say that? Because Dr. Berger told me this about 10 years ago and I trust him. I have more proof, but my main issue is with the Kofer Manis Friedman, who said that any Jew can do any sin and nothing will happen to him and that Mitzvahs are optional. I gave you the site, it’s up to you to view it, it’s all there. Now I’ll address your point. I call Chabad a different religion because their emphasis is on the Rebbe and not on Hashem. That’s why Rabbi Cunin stated that it’s the Rebbe and not Hashem who runs the world. As far as my Davening in a Chabad shul. As I told YYA, it’s not a Chabad shul. There are three Chabad brothers who run the shul but only a few of the congregants are Chabad. I’ve been friends with these Rabbis for twenty years and they are definitely not idolaters although they do believe the Rebbe is Moshiach and that he’s a Novi. If you need further clarification of my position, I’ll be happy to provide it. As to your other point, by no means do I believe that Lubavichers act as missionaries. I’ve been to Chabad houses at various locations, and I was treated beautifully. So no I don’t think that when one accepts Chabad hospitality it comes with strings attached. Again, I’ve been studying Chabad for about 25 years so my positions are very clear cut. Since you’re a Mensch and you’re not trying to catch me in a lie like that lowlife, I will gladly answer your questions. I have nothing to hide. The only thing wrong with Chabad is Schneersohn, but they won’t give up on him because they were taught that he is their world. As one fellow in my shul said, “We live in the shadow of the Rebbe.” Finally, I harbor no delusions about changing your mind. I simply want the opportunity to present my proofs without being unmercifully and unfairly attacked and insulted for telling the truth.
To Yankel Berel
Let’s take a closer look at YYA’s latest post. He asked, “What is Shimon Katz being Mechadesh that I wasn’t?” With this YYA is saying that he endorses the positions of Shimon Katz. This means that he agrees that that the Rebbe isn’t Moshiach or a Novi. Of course, now that YYA has joined the team the insults will end. Let’s develop the subject of the Rebbe being Moshiach. According to actual Jews, the person who will be Moshiach will be the one who meets the criteria set forth by Rambam. Chabad follows a different system. They hold that G-d told the Rebbe that he’s Moshiach. I’ll explain. I asked the Rabbi of the Chabad shul I attend when this Moshiach business started and he told me, “When the Rebbe took over in 1951, he announced he’s Moshiach.” Then I asked him why Chabad thinks the Rebbe is a Novi and he told me that when the Rebbe was three years old, he had a dream in which Hashem told him he’s a Novi and he had a vision of himself sitting on a throne with millions of people bowing down to him. Now that YYA has joined the fold of real Jews he can add some clarifying points. Isn’t it great to work together?
To 25TQ9lm5B
So, it was the Rebbe himself who made that guarantee, and since he’s a Novi it obviously came true. So, explain how Menachem Mendel Litzan was able to kill himself, explain the murder of Rabbi Kogan and the Mumbai massacres. The answer is simple; the Rebbe wasn’t a Novi and so his promises, including that he’s Moshiach and he will save every Jew, mean absolutely nothing.
To Shimon Katz
Go to Musings of a Litvish Yid May 25, 2025 and you’ll see the video in which Rabbi Feldman calls Manis a Kofer for stating that no Jew today can be punished no matter what sin he commits. As for Friedman’s statement that Mitzvahs are optional. AFAIK that’s a Youtube video when he was interviewed and challenged by Rabbi Efren Goldberg. I can assure you that I don’t make things up. That’s why the “sicko’phant is so afraid of me, it’s because he knows I’m telling the truth. I see that you’re somewhat interested in the truth and so I laud you. One point for you to consider, “Why hasn’t the Chabad leadership called out the crazies?” The answer is simple, “Shtikah Kihodaah.” The fact that there’s a treasure trove of great Torah from Chabad doesn’t change the facts that YB and I are presenting. If you enjoy the Rebbe’s Torah, by all means study it. And people who like Chabad should avail themselves of Chabad hospitality but make no mistake their religion is not Judaism.
To yankel berel
I’ll just add one point. Until Gimmel Tammuz it was universally agreed in CH that Moshiach can’t come from the dead. When the Rebbe died, they did a 180 and followed the Gemara which said that Moshiach can come from the dead. However, a significant percentage of Lubavichers never changed their original view and so they maintain that the Rebbe never died just like “Yaakov Lo Mes.” Shakespeare wrote, “Vanity thy name is woman.” “Insanity thy name is Chabad.”
To YYA
When you were asked a question, by YB non-political and yours truly, you adamantly refused to answer, but I have no problem responding to your query. At no time did I ever say that “every” Lubavicher is an idolater and a Kofer. The Chabad Rabbis in the shul I attend, (the congregants, with a few exceptions,) aren’t Chabad are definitely not idolaters or Kofrim. You know, for someone who writes well, you’re kind of stupid. Checkmate dude.
To Shimon Katz
YYA, the Chabad “sicko”phant, gave you another warning, that you shouldn’t accept any “Loshon Hora” from me about Manis the Kofer. I assume you saw the video in which Manis stated that no Jew, no matter what sin he commits can be punished today. He thus gave a blanket Heter for any Jew to violate Shabbos, eat pork on Yom Kippur etc. In addition, YYA left out a critical point, “I’m not the one who declared Manis a Kofer, that was Rabbi Aharon Feldman, a recognized Gadol who said it. (that’s in the video) YYA said that he isn’t interested in Rabbi Feldman’s opinion. This makes sense given how slavishly the “sicko’phant defends Chabad. Rabbi Feldman has consistently called out Chabad. And he knows whereof he speaks.
To Shimon Katz
I’d like to thank you for ignoring YYA’s warning and responding to my post. You’re a mensch, unlike that Chabad “sicko”phant. Reading your post, I don’t think we’re that far apart. You agree that there are Lubavichers who think the Rebbe is “god clothed in human form.” And you agree that there are Lubavichers who believe that the Rebbe is a full-fledged Novi i.e. G-d spoke to him. Where we disagree is that you think that such Lubavichers not the norm or even represent a small percentage, rather they’re just a handful of crazies. From my perspective the crazies are quite common. The other point of contention is that you want to dismiss the Kofer Manis Friedman as a YouTube Rabbi. That’s disingenuous on your part. He’s perhaps the most influential Chabad Rabbi in the world, or at least in the top five. Just consider this. When the Rebbe died, mainstream Jews were told that the belief in the Rebbe being Moshiach was limited to the crazy Meshichists. That was a lie from the start. Chabad tailors its propaganda for the people it’s trying to fool. In any case, I thank you for your post and if you’d like to continue the discussion the ball is in your court. I have plenty of anecdotal evidence to prove my contentions.
To Shimon Katz
You’re a popular person. The last three posts all directed their comments to you. So the ball is now in your hands. Will you accept what Yankel berel and I said or will you follow the primordial snake who goes by Yaakov Yosef A? As you see, YB and I are in lockstep and there are several other posters who also agree with us on all these points. What about YYA? He comes to warn you about how evil I am. You’ve read my posts. Do I sound like a “raging bull”? Of course not. As I’ve stated on numerous occasions, I’ve been a dentist for forty years (still practicing) and I write a weekly Dvar Torah over the internet which has many fans including a number of great Rabbonim. It’s ludicrous to suggest that I’m dangerous. But YYA is a Chabad shill and he’s deathly afraid that people like you will come around to our side. Several months ago the question about Chabad’s dubious belief system came up in a different thread. YYA claimed that he could answer all the challenges against Chabad but he chose not to because it would lead to Bizui Talmidei Chachomim. In this thread he again said that he can answer the challenges but he doesn’t want to get into a discussion with a crazy hater like me. I declared in a post that I would stay out of the discussion if he’d answer the questions, but he ignored my offer. When I call YYA a liar it’s on merit. When he calls me a deranged hater, he’s just hoping to fool people like you. Now let me add two points. Recognizing that the Chabad belief system is flawed doesn’t mean that one has to reject Chabad. I attend a Chabad shul six days a week(Shabbos and Yom Tov are the exceptions). I get along beautifully with the Chabad Rabbis I know with one exception. Second, you challenged my contention that Manis Friedman said that Mitzvahs are optional because Chabad has Mitzvah campaigns. I didn’t say that Chabad rejects the term Mitzvah, rather Manis doesn’t accept that a Mitzvah, is a commandment of Hashem. He holds, instead, that the Mitzvahs are good deeds and so they’re optional. Rabbi Efren Goldberg from Boca interviewed Manis and challenged him, but he doubled down and repeated that Mitzvohs are optional. Again, as opposed to YYA, YB and I offer facts and sources that are easy to find. Now it’s up to you to determine if you want to follow the truth or that snake in the grass.
To Shimon Katz
I will be most happy to respond to your post. Let’s consider point number four. This opinion has been expressed by Rabbi Manis Friedman. He believes that Mitzvahs are optional. He rejects calling them commandments. In his “opinion” G-d has “needs” and when we perform His Mitzvahs, we are fulfilling those needs, but we’re under no obligation to do so. He further stated that no Jew today, no matter what sin he commits can be punished, because of the long, bitter exile. I personally saw the videos in which he made those claims. To see it yourself look up Rav Aharon Feldman calls Manis Friedman a Kofer. Obviously, he was not censured by Chabad and so we can assume that they agree with him. As for the Rebbe being a deity. Dr. Berger, in his book, stated that 8 senior Rabbis from Chabad’s flagship Yeshiva, Oholei Torah, declared that the Rebbe is “god clothed in human form.” To what extent this is accepted in CH I can’t say, but it’s out there. One Lubavicher on YWN wrote to me, “In 1962 the Rebbe announced that he’s “god clothed in human form.” Rav Moshe didn’t protest and so we see that he accepted it. I responded that no one on the LES ever heard such insanity so why would Rav Moshe say anything. More on this point. There is a YouTube video of Rabbi Shlomo Cunin, who is chief Chabad Rabbi of California, stating that the Rebbe runs the world and “HE” will take us out of Galus. The date of the video is Dec 10, 2008. Finally. the question of the Rebbe being a Novi. This is universally accepted by Chabad. I will share what is being disseminated by Chabad to unwitting Russian Jews. Usually, these cards are in Russian, but this one was in English. “Baruch Hashem. We must publicize to all people of the generation that we have merited that G-d Almighty has chosen and appointed a man, a person possessing free choice… to be your judges and your advisors as well as the prophet of the generation. This includes publicizing the main prophecy the prophecy of immediately to redemption and at this very moment, behold this one (Moshiach) comes.” Obviously, the Rebbe’s picture is on the card and at the bottom we get the Yechi invocation. There’s a reason that YYA is fighting so hard to suppress these facts. He’s their shill and he’s desperately afraid that this information will come out. But he knows it’s all true. That’s why I call him a liar. Just like someone who has testimony and refuses to testify is called a sinner. Please feel free to ask me or the others like Yankel Berel any questions you might have. Everything is out there. We have no reason to attack Chabad. In fact, we don’t attack them. We praise the good things they do, but there’s an idolatrous element to their religious beliefs and it must be called out. I would ask you one question, “Do you have any interactions with Chabad? I live in a community where there are about 30 Chabad Rabbis, so I have extensive dealings with them. Plus, I have their reading materials, (unfortunately most are in Russian) but enough are in English for me to get a full picture of their religion. Watch how YYA tries to counter what I’ve written. He’s more fanatic in his defense of Chabad than the Lubavichers. Sadly, for him, if he says I’m lying there are plenty of others on YWN who will confirm whatever I’ve said. As YYA noted, my name is Yaakov, but unlike that Yaakov I don’t lie.
To chaim_baruch
Beautifully said and I have nothing to add.
To ujm
Please explain how they misguide others.
To Shimon Katz
Your point is well taken. We all agree that Chabad does, or at least tries to do, much good. The term “low benefit kiruv” was an unfortunate choice.
To yankel berel
As is often the case, you hit the nail on its head. No one is challenging the fact that Chabad serves a valuable function(s). We’re just calling into question its dubious religious beliefs. Liars like YYA will only look at the former, because he can’t, as the expression goes, “handle the truth.”
To the group
YYA sinks to a new low by suggesting a commonality between those who criticize Chabad and those who support Neturei Karta. The differences should be manifest, but YYA is a talented wordsmith, and he may have fooled some into sharing his point of view, so let me debunk his theory. NK posits that Zionism is the root of all evil. Fine, but they never advance any cogent arguments to that point. They simply regurgitate this nonsensical mantra. In contrast, critics of Chabad clearly articulate our issues; the belief that the Rebbe is a deity, that he was a Novi, that he is Moshiach, that the Torah laws are no longer obligatory. The second major divide is that Neturei Karta calls for the elimination of the State of Israel. Having been labeled the “most strident anti-Lubavicher”, I can categorically state that I wish no harm to Chabad. In fact, I encourage all their activities and would like to see them grow exponentially. My problem is with Chabad theology which is not a valid representation of Judaism. Unlike the coward YYA who hides in his bunker when challenged I will respond to any challenges against my position.
To ujm
What would you say about Rav Hershel Shachter Shlita and Rav Mordechai Willig Shlita
To Yedl
I think you misunderstood what Haimy was saying. He tried to make it clear that he wasn’t equating all Chabad houses, rather he was speaking of those centers that are in far-flung places. Let’s explain. If someone is a Shliach anywhere in Israel, as an example, he will have ample opportunities for Kiruv since every secular Israeli is a viable candidate for Kiruv. Similarly, there are cities which are major hubs for Jews, e.g Chicago, Paris etc where there is a large Jewish population base to work from. Haimy agrees that there’s no issue with Chabad operating in those places. The question arises in countries like Korea, Malaysia Phillipines etc, where there are no Jews except an occasional traveler or someone who has seasonal work. Or in cities like Cheyenne Wyoming. Anchorage Alaska where the only Jews there are intermarried. So, they’ll come to the Chanukah party with their gentile spouse but a week later they’ll go to the X-Mas party. Again, Kiruv really isn’t possible in those places. But that doesn’t matter to Chabad because their real goal is “global domination.” as I’ve explained. As for your grandfather, Chabad was different at that time. It was seriously interested in Kiruv, but things have changed.
To yankel berel
I hope you now appreciate how deceitful YYA is. Rather than engage in honest discussion, he attacks us as being unwilling to talk. He better hope that the Kofer Manis Friedman is right and Hashem no longer punishes, because the G-d I believe in doesn’t like liars.
To Gadol Hadofi
Thanks for responding. You said that you chose me because I’m the most stridently anti-Chabad. That’s probably true. But then you quoted me, “Chabad’s goal isn’t Kiruv, it’s global domination.” – dude, seriously? Apparently, you think I’m off kilter. Did you not see my proofs for this contention? Rabbi Moshe Plutchok, perhaps the ilui of this generation told me, “The Rebbe’s gaavah was so enormous that he convinced himself he’s god.” Please tell me which of my proofs you don’t accept. Just because I make “outlandish” statements, according to some, doesn’t mean that I’m wrong.
To Yaakov Yosef A
You have every right to ignore the nameless, faceless posters on social media and follow the “useful idiots” you call Gedolim. However, by refusing to answer the questions posed to you, you demonstrate your cowardice and duplicity. I’m sure you thought of playing the “Chabad has a few crazies in Tzfat” card but decided against it because you knew I’d hit you with Manis Friedman who’s a mainstream Chabad Kofer. As for your comment that I should open some equivalent of a Chabad House to “prove” that I care about my fellow Jews. Who said that Chabad Houses serve any real Kiruv function? What they do, and it’s a valuable service, is provide kosher food for travelers and sometimes Minyanim. Coming to the city today I was learning Gemara on the train as is my wont. A fellow saw me and started up a conversation. He asked me if I’m learning Daf Yomi and I told him that I’m not a fan of Daf Yomi because it moves too fast. He told me that he agreed and we exchanged contact information. That’s my idea of Kiruv, but of course you can disagree. Obviously, I could care less what a liar like you says.
To Yaakov Yosef A
Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. I know exactly what I said and I stand behind it. The Rebbe’s and now Chabad’s true goal by spreading around the world is not Kiruv, it’s world domination. That’s not my opinion, it was told to me directly by Dr. Berger, who unlike you, is a mensch and his word is reliable. Moreover, we have the proof from the fact that every Lubavicher is taught that song in the cradle that Chabad will conquer the nations of the world one by one. Now it’s a free country and you don’t have to accept my proofs but don’t try to depict me as crazy, when all my Rabbonim. and unlike you, my Rabbis are alive, agree with me. As for your second point, it’s certainly true that mental illness is found in any denomination, and I probably shouldn’t have mentioned it. Unlike you, if I make a mistake, I will admit it. It’s the third point that I want to focus on. You said, “There’s no point talking to you (or anyone else with you around) about Chabad.” Several months ago, non-political and yankel berel politely asked you to discuss the issues that were raised about Chabad. You stated that you’re quite capable of doing so but you choose not to. I then chimed in and said that I would stand down and not comment if you’ll answer them. Again, you refused. So, I’ll repeat my offer. If, as you’re saying today (which of course you’ll change tomorrow) the only reason you refuse to discuss Chabad is because of my intransigence, I will stay out of the discussion. My name is also Yaakov, but the truth means everything to me so if I make a statement, I will definitely keep my word. Unlike you and Chabad I fear Hashem. Just as a reminder, you were asked if you agree with Chabad that the Rebbe is Moshiach, is a Novi and runs the world? Since we both know you won’t answer, checkmate you turkey.
To Lemayseh
I’m happy to see that you called out YYA. He’s a shill for Chassidus particularly Chabad. You can tell when someone is a liar when that person never acknowledges any point made by his adversary. That’s YYA to a tee. Anything he says should be taken with a quarter grain of salt. On the other, hand I don’t believe, as you seem to be implying, that eventually Chassidus will disappear. Of course, you’re right that the main problem with the Chassidic world is Chabad. On a personal note, I was very close to a Chassidish Rebbe, who was a Gadol. He and Rav Moshe were best friends, and I consider him far and away the greatest person I’ve ever known. He knew Shas by heart with every Tosafos. I’m partial to Rebbes who are great Talmidei Chachamim like the Sfas Emes.
To Yaakov Yosef A
On November 24th you wrote, “The Rebbe also famously promised that he takes personal responsibility for the children of the Shluchim.” Is that promise still in effect now that he’s six feet under? Schneersohn “prophesied” that Moshiach will arrive in “this” generation. Since more than a generation passed can he ask for backsies? Waiting for your answer but since none will be forthcoming let me give you a Thanksgiving checkmate. By the way, why haven’t you chosen a new Rebbe since your first one died? Checkmate sheini
To the Group
I wish I knew why so many people on YWN are obsessed with me. qwertyqwerty? How long before I’m accused of killing Charlie Kirk? I’m one of the better writers on YWN, I’m extremely logical and unlike a certain you know who I always speak the truth.
To GadolHadolfi
Before I respond to your post, I’d like to ask you a question, “Why did you address your comment to me? SQUARE-ROOT, Philosopher and Yankel Berel, to name three, and there are others, see eye to eye with me. We all agree that Chabad is an idolatrous religion, that Manis Friedman is a Kofer and that the idea that the Rebbe was a Novi or Moshiach is preposterous. Now as for what you wrote. I certainly agree that Chabad does much good. I have been consistent in praising them for these services. However, I would be remiss not to bring it to the attention of the public that the Chabad religion is not a valid expression of Judaism. Again, please answer my question. But since I know you won’t, Checkmate.
To SQUARE_ROOT
I would love to hear the story. Please share it. You never know, maybe YYA will convert to Judaism. Actually, that won’t happen. Shlomo Hamelech already warned us about that Chabad shill, “There’s more hope for a fool than one who’s wise in his own eyes.”
To YYA
Why don’t you take you own advice and stop posting? Nobody is interested in your nonsense. You try to convince yourself that people are about your worthless opinions, because you’re a pompous fool.To the group
On Nov 23, 2025 YYA wrote to Haimy, “If you’re seriously interested in hearing what the Shluchim themselves have to say about this you should ask them.” Sounds logical right? But not so fast. Several months ago YYA wrote, in a different thread that he can answer all the challenges to Chabad, but he decided against it. Yankel berel and non-political, who are on very good terms with this cretin, politely asked him to respond but he adamantly refused. So we make a Kal Vchomer, “If YYA, who isn’t Chabad refused to discuss the matter because he knew that he couldn’t defend Chabad’s idolatry and Kefirah, will an actual Lubavicher give any honest answers?” Unfortunately YYA won’t understand my argument because only someone who learns Gemara would be familiar with the concept of Kal Vchomer and clearly he spends all his time on YWN writing drivel.
To Haimy
A few weeks ago, a Lubavich boy who’s the son of shluchim in Korea killed himself. There’s obviously a problem but Chabad sweeps all its bad publicity under the rug.
To yedl
Even though I feel much closer to the Gaon than the Besht, in fact my origins are in Chassidus since all of my grandparents were Galicianer Chassidim. Growing up, my family wasn’t fully frum and so our Chassidic origins weren’t discussed, but it became a subject as I got older. A certain Rabbi told me that my paternal grandmother was Rav Meir Premishlan’s granddaughter. This made sense because my Bobbi had a brother named Meir. In any case, I’ll share a story. About 30 years ago I had an idea for a Dvar Torah on Parshas Yisro. I told it over to a Rabbi that I’m friendly with and he said it sounds familiar. Later that day he told me that Rav Meir Premishlan had said the same thing(his idea was much deeper than mine but I was close.) That Rabbi didn’t know that I might be related to him. I’d like to believe that I am an einekel, but I never checked because I’d be disappointed if it isn’t so. I’m very fond of Chasidishe Torah but not so much for Chassidic maasehs. Thanks for starting this thread. It’s a nice idea.
To chiefshmerel
Your post reminds me of a story I read many years ago. (if memory serves it involved the Chasam Sofer.) A local priest took a little Christian boy and taught him the basics of Yiddishkeit and how to daven in Hebrew. He then brought the boy for a “farher” to the Chasam Sofer. The Gaon was duly impressed and commented, “If the boy was Jewish, he would have a great future.” The galach asked the Chasam Sofer how he knew that the boy wasn’t Jewish and the Gadol answered, “He davened so fervently but there wasn’t even one shuckel.” You state that Chabad is devoted to Messianism. That’s not exactly true. They’re devoted to Rebbianism. They would never accept any Moshiach except the Rebbe. As I wrote in an earlier post, they have been brainwashed into believing that Schneersohn is Moshiach.
To Haimy
I know you mean well, but Lubavichers are not rational functioning human beings. I’ll share a story that came out from the recent Kinus Shluchim. A shliach in Israel had a two-year-old son whose legs were amputated due to an illness (this happened about ten years ago). He and his wife were plunged into a deep depression, as would be expected. A local psychologist offered to treat them for free, but they refused saying, “Our entire existence depends on the Rebbe. He gives us our strength and we’ll get through this.” They are idolaters so there’s no point in offering logical advice.
To SQUARE_ROOT
I understand your frustration, but the reality is that no Lubavicher can be reached. I found a card in the Chabad shul I attend. Let me share what was written on it, “We must publicize to all people of the generation that we have merited that G-d Alm-ighty has chosen and appointed a man, a person possessing free choice … to be “your judges” and “your advisors” as well as the prophet of the generation… This includes publicizing the main prophecy, the prophecy of “immediately to redemption” and at this very moment “Behold this one (Moshiach) comes.” (Shabbos Parshas Shoftim 5750). Yaakov Yosef A is one of those useful idiots that you mentioned. In a different thread he explained that he defended Chabad because his late Rebbe held of the Rebbe. I am certain that neither his Rebbe nor any Admor or Rosh Yeshiva would countenance the notion of the Rebbe being a Novi. As you, and many others including myself, have noted, Chabad does much good and their efforts deserve to be praised and encouraged. On the other hand, their belief system is totally at odds with normative Judaism. As Rabbi Ahron Feldman, a leading Gadol said, one of Chabad’s leading Rabbis, Manis Friedman is a Kofer for having publicly declared that no Jew will be punished no matter what sin(s) he commits. When this point was introduced in a different thread YYA said that Rabbi Feldman should’ve called Manis to find out what he meant. When Mandani says that we have to globalize the intifada, we know what he means. Just like the Lubavichers, their useful idiots refuse to be swayed, even when the truth stares them in the face.
To Haimy
I think the premise of your question is incorrect. Chabad’s goal is not Kiruv, it’s global domination. I’ll offer three proofs. Not long after Lubavich tots leave the cradle they’re taught the following song, “From 770 we are marching out, on to victory there is no doubt, one by one nations we are conquering.” Point two, about ten years ago I spoke to Dr. Berger, and he told me that the Rebbe often spoke about taking over the world. Final proof. About 15 years ago I attended the Jewish National Retreat. This is Chabad’s annual convention. It was held that year in Fairfax VA, right near Washington DC and so Rabbi Levi Shemtov. On Thursday night he spoke, “People think that we’re a Kiruv organization but they have no idea of our power. The Ambassador from Bahrain to America is Jewish and Chabad has already made contact with her.” I was laughing to myself because the Ambassador was my wife’s distant cousin. She was replaced some years ago. Your question then should be, “Is Chabad sacrificing their youth in the quest to rule the world?” And the answer is a resounding yes. About 20 years ago a Chabad Rabbi told me, “The Rebbe is the reason the world was created.” This is their worldview and so the individuals are essentially irrelevant. Chabad, as it presently operates, was formulated in the Soviet Union and it has the same basic philosophy. Everyone and everything were subservient to Mother Russia, everyone and everything is subservient to the Rebbe.
To Haimy
Kudos for a thoughtful post. We don’t arrive at the truth by combing through Chazal to find a statement that supports our preconceived point of view. The problem is that very few posters are interested in the truth. They just want to impose their opinions as if they’re Torah Misinai.
To yankel berel
You know how much I like and respect you and it’s to that point that I reiterate my suggestion that you don’t waste time arguing with SJ. Nebach, he’s another lost soul. As to your claim that you want to save others who will be misled, no one is interested in their insanity.
To somejew
To your credit, you have good Middos and don’t resort to name-calling like YYA. Unfortunately, I and almost every other Jew, completely reject everything you stand for.
To the group
I agree with Yaakov Yosef A that this discussion serves no purpose. The State of Israel exists, and Jews have two choices, support it or keep your mouths shut. Threads like this one encourage lunatics to vent and no purpose is served other than to add some coals to their eventual Gehinnom.
To ZSK
No, he doesn’t know it. When people become consumed by some issue all rationality falls by the wayside.
To yankel berel
You’re absolutely right. I don’t get angry at AAQ because he’s pleasant, but he never takes a stand and so my best advice is just to let him make his comments and ignore them. He’s part of a long list of people who aren’t interested in the truth.
To the group
You’re not going to get through to these people. They see Zionism as the root of all evil. They’re likely nice people who keep the Torah so let them be.
To the Group
On Nov 6th, Sam Klein wrote, “Will we NOW FINALLY accept Hashem’s wake up call for serious Tshuvah and Achdus together as one loving nation so Hashem can send Moshiach already Bikarov?” The emphatic answer is that it’s “never” going to happen, because the overwhelming majority of people are loath to make changes in themselves. For the last 40 years have been duped into believing that their wealth, political connections etc. will protect them. Yesterday, someone on VIN wrote, “Richie Taylor will save us from Mamdani.” Hashem looks down and says, “If you’re so confident in your askanim and your Rabbis’ Daas Torah you don’t need Me. It’s particularly difficult for people in affluent communities to see that Hashem is warning us, because for too long their only concern was trying to decide which country to go to for Pesach. If, as I think and hope, Hashem is getting ready to send Moshiach we’ll all have to do almost a complete mental makeover. But that’s not realistic since most view themselves as perfect.
To Always
I was speaking to a Holocaust survivor. The last thing I intended to do was upset her. The point I was making was that it’s illogical for someone to say that they used to believe in G-d but not anymore.
To Anonymous Jew
I’m going to come to your defense because your point is well taken. When we say that Torah protects, we don’t really know what that means, because as you said, throughout the millennia countless Tzaddikim have been martyred. Now we must understand that we can never reject a Torah principle and the belief that Talmud Torah is a shield is certainly such a principle, but it could mean that one who studies is guaranteed Olam Habo. That’s why the people who ridicule the IDF are fools. A Jew must live rationally. Dovid Hamelech didn’t tell his men to sit in the Bes Hamedrash. They fought. It’s quite possible that some stayed behind and learned, certainly learning helps, but this idea that some have that if everyone sat in the Bes Hamedrash Israel could dismantle its armed forces is insane. So, I somewhat agree with you, however, we must be clear that every Chazal is true, but how it’s understood isn’t necessarily clear cut.
To 5TResident
Your post reminded me of an incident that occurred about 35 years ago. I was seeing someone whose mother was an Auschwitz survivor. One time I called the home and the mother answered so I started a conversation. I’m curious. Before the war were you religious? “Of course I was. So, was everyone in my town?” Then I asked her if she believed in G-d at that time. Again, she answered in the affirmative. So, I threw her a curve, “What happened? Did he die?” I didn’t pursue this any further, not looking to put salt on old wounds, but we can discuss this here. G-d didn’t die, obviously, what died is that woman’s concept of G-d. And that’s understandable. We’re constantly told how much Hashem loves us, and it’s easy to believe it when things are going well, but it’s more of a challenge when we face difficulties. We have to realize that Hashem and people don’t operate on the same playing field and so when untoward things happen, we can’t allow them to shake our faith. I acknowledge that this isn’t easy, but it’s part of why they say, “It’s hard to be a Jew.”To the group
I must apologize for an error in yesterday’s post. I meant to write that when the mass grave was opened the Rebbe’s body was intact, but obviously he wasn’t alive. My fault for not reading what I wrote before submitting it.
To Coffee Addict
Let me clear up the confusion. On October 30th, 741 wrote to me, “I’m just wondering, do you consider every Lubavicher a Kofer? Rather than wait for me to answer, he shared the story, in the same post, about the Shliach whose body didn’t decompose. In other words, he took it upon himself to decide that I consider every Lubavicher a Kofer and this was his proof that I’m wrong. The problem is that I never said, nor do I think, that every Lubavicher is a Kofer and so his entire post is completely ridiculous. But then what would you expect from a Kofer. I can call him a Kofer because he refuses to answer my question, to wit, “Do you agree that Manis Friedman is a Kofer?” Obviously he’s dodging my question because he agrees with Manis and he probably also agrees with Cunin that Schneersohn runs the world.
To the group
Since 741 refuses to answer my question, I’ll answer it for him. But first let’s address his moronic proof. I happen to know the case of a Rebbe, I think he was the Chernobler, but I’m not sure, who was killed by the Nazis along with his shtetl during the war. After the war that mass grave was opened by the order of the Soviet government because they wanted to film it as proof of German atrocities. They found the Tzaddik’s body alive and intact with the hair behind his ears still wet because he had just come from the Mikveh. I know the story because it was told to me by the grandson of someone who was there and witnessed the event. Therefore, it is certainly possible that this Chabad shliach’s body did not decompose. Now let’s deal with my question, “Do you agree with Rabbi Feldman that Manis Friedman is a Kofer? Since you won’t answer the question, it’s Shtikah Kihodaah. Moreover, any Lubavicher who agrees, even in part with that statement is a Kofer. Finally, any Lubavicher who agree with Cunin that the Rebbe runs the world is an idolater.
To yankel berel
He knows that the story is irrelevant. It’s classic Chabad. Ignore the subject and focus on nonsense. We understand his point. If this Shliach’s body didn’t decompose that’s proof that he was a Tzaddik. Okay, so what does that have to do with the fact that their religion, in our time, promotes Kefirah?
To 741
The answer to your question is, no I don’t think that every Lubavicher is a Kofer. Now I’ll ask you a question, “Do you agree with Rabbi Feldman that Manis Friedman is a Kofer?
To coffee addict
Are you suggesting that a Lubavicher would lie? Lol.
To Uncle Ben
I laud your attempt to support AAQ, but you failed miserably. Neither he nor I mentioned the word Machlokes, but you made that the centerpiece of your argument. AAQ posited that even though there are Lubavichers who espouse Kefirah, that’s not such a problem because they care for other Jews. Please cite where in Novi we find that Hashem is pleased with an atheist like Manis Friedman, who teaches that Mitzvas are optional and that G-d is no longer able to punish even willful sinners. Checkmate.
To Always
I’ll rephrase your basic point, “If you have to choose between a Jew who has confusing theories about Hashem and one who doesn’t care about other Jews whom would you choose?” You then say that Hashem would choose the latter. So let’s understand your implication. Yes Chabad has some questionable ideas about Yiddishkeit, but at least they care about other Jews and this is most important to Hashem. Could you please support your thesis? I, for one, care more about every Jew than any Lubavicher, because I’m not only interested in their Olam Hazeh but also their Olam Habo. The fact that you think otherwise means that you’re accepting Chabad’s propaganda.
To yankel berel
I know about the “other” Qwerty. Suffice it to say, it isn’t me. Let’s leave it there.
To square root
Dr. Berger made the same point in his book. The Gedolim do not want to get involved. That’s why we have to come to the plate. It’s not our place to challenge the Gedolim. We just have to do whatever we can do.
To Always Ask Questions
Manis Friedman, probably Chabad’s most influential Rabbi declared that no Jew can be punished on matter what he does, because of the long, bitter exile. Translation, G-d no longer exists. This is the normative Chabad belief. The Rabbi of the Chabad shul I attend said that there is no Gehinnom any more. You should speak to more Lubavichers. They’ll confirm everything that I and the others in this thread have said. Obviously the Brisker Rov is greater than any of us but he wrote many decades ago. Things have gotten far worse.
JUST SHUT UP ALL OF YOU,EVERY ONE WRITS HERE SOON WILL SUFFER FROM AN ILLNESS REALY BAD TILL HIS DEATH UNTILL REALIZE WHAT CAN DO LOSHON HARA
JUST SHUT UP ALL OF YOU,EVERY ONE WRITS HERE SOON WILL SUFFER FROM AN ILLNESS REALY BAD TILL HIS DEATH UNTILL REALIZE WHAT CAN DO LOSHON HARA
To Always Ask Questions
Your latest post reminded me of a story. There were two secular Israelis who were hanging out together. One of them had a life-threatening experience and he was saved, and he immediately became a BT. But his friend wasn’t affected. When asked why he wasn’t moved this fellow answered, “My life wasn’t saved.” I’m therefore not surprised that the posts from critics like Yankel Berel, yours truly and others didn’t win you over. You needed a personal event. That’s fine, but you can rest assured that the ‘attacks” directed at Chabad are simply aimed at telling the truth. Some months ago, Seichel 83 spoke about a Psak from CH. He’s right. I saw it. Over 100 Chabad Rabbis “Paskened” that the Rebbe is Moshiach, that he’s a Novi and that he’s still alive. Their religion is a dangerous distortion of Judaism. It’s as simple as that.
To Yankel Berel
I most definitely agree with you that Chabad’s endgame is global domination. Dr. Berger told me privately that the Rebbe often spoke about taking over the world. Let’s not forget their anthem., “From 770 we are marching out on to victory there is no doubt. One by one nations we are conquering.” This is certainly the goal of Chabad’s elite, but I’m trying to reach out to the masses, many of whom are confused. Didn’t Lostspark drop out after being one of their most vehement propagandists. As Hashem prepares the world for the true Redeemer, the Chabad lies will become more apparent. We must continue to speak the truth so that people like Always, who are on the fence, will come over to our side, while some, if even only a handful, of Lubavichers will realize, like the Bnei Korach, that they have to divest themselves from their leaders’ false ideology.
To yankel berel
I don’t know if you’re correct or not. I met two women who each left Chabad and married normal Jews. One left because her father told her to get out before he died. He was a BT but when he saw how Chabad deified the Rebbe after his death, he realized that he had chosen the wrong religion. I don’t know why the other woman saw the light, but I had one exchange with her in which I asked her in front of her in-laws if it’s true that Lubavichers are taught that they’re better than all other Jews. They thought I was crazy for suggesting this, but she confirmed it. My son was at a gathering and two OTD Lubavichers showed up. They each described their Yeshiva experience. Every morning their Rebbes asked them how they connected to the Rebbe the day before. Lubavich is Judaism without G-d. It’s hard for me to believe that every Lubavicher believes their religion is flawless. I think they’re psychologically trapped. Chabad developed in the Soviet Union and that’s how they learned to control their minions. Lemayseh, I’m not arguing with you. Yes, every Lubavicher will spout the same garbage, i.e. that the Rebbe is infallible, but I think there are Lubavichers who can be reached. On VIN there’s a decent guy who argues with me. He posits that there’s just a few crazies and all the others fall in line, because they’re afraid to act. That’s wishful thinking on his part. Let’s continue the discussion and continue welcoming Lubavichers to join us. I, for one, don’t bite.
To the group
I’d like to compliment every poster, because your comments are all spot on, but let me take this in a different direction. For many years I was part of the Rabbi Miller world. Eventually I was turned off by some of his comments. That wasn’t the problem. The problem was that I wasn’t allowed to express my point of view. The Rosh Yeshiva, who I loved, would say things like, “When you’ve gone through Shas 10 times and Mesillas Yesharim 50 times like Rabbi Miller, then you can argue with him.” This didn’t sit well with me because I’m a Lower East Sider and the Feinsteins never stifled anyone from expressing his opinion. The point is that Lubavichers face the same problem. I’m sure that many recognize the issues that we’ve brought to the fore, but they feel that they can’t say or do anything or they’ll face ostracism. I’d like to offer an olive branch(Parshas Noach) and welcome Lubavichers to express their concerns. No one will attack them. It’s totally anonymous. The reality is that Chabad does a tremendous amount of good and the Rebbe was a visionary with his far flung Chabad houses, but there are serious concerns with their belief system. For Manis Friedman to state that no Jew can be punished today because of the long bitter exile is but one glaring example as to how far they’ve strayed from our Mesorah.
To Lemayseh
President Trump isn’t a Chussid. He is, as Square Root said, one of Chabad’s useful idiots. The point is that Chabad doesn’t listen to anyone. They are completely in the clutches of the Yetzer hora who sold them a bill of goods that the Rebbe runs the world.
To the Group
Clearly Chabad doesn’t care about anything that real Jews say. What’s interesting is that if we look at the comments coming from CH in the aftermath of this incident, the Lubavichers are aware that there’s a problem, but they won’t do anything about it. Ultimately, Hashem will take matters in His own hand(s.)
To the Group
I’m waiting for the apologists. Tzfatim don’t represent Chabad. And Cunin and Manis Friedman don’t represent Chabad. And the Meshichistim don’t represent Chabad. And the fellow(s) who put up Messiah is Here signs doesn’t represent Chabad. President Truman famously said, “The buck stops here.” Who, if anyone, does represent Chabad?”
To the Group
I’m waiting for the apologists. Tzfatim don’t represent Chabad. And Cunin and Manis Friedman don’t represent Chabad. And the Meshichistim don’t represent Chabad. And the fellow(s) who put up Messiah is Here signs doesn’t represent Chabad. President Truman famously said, “The buck stops here.” Who, if anyone, does represent Chabad?”