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To RebEmes
I agree with you that most Jews are hopelessly lost, and the Gemara in Sanhedrin also agrees with us. What do you say to the Chabad belief that Moshiach will redeem every single Jew?
To ashergg
You almost have it, but I’ll fill in what you’re missing. When Nevuah showed up about three or four months ago he called himself rescue. At that time his Kefirah was blatant. What he said is that G-d doesn’t want “sheeple” who blindly follow what they’re told in the Torah, rather He wants people to use their free will and only keep those Mitzvahs that make sense. I then challenged him to explain the logic of one being put to death for carrying his keys in the public domain on Shabbos. He refused to answer which likely means that he does so. When he says that he isn’t an atheist he means that he accepts the concept of a G-d, but not a G-d who commands us to follow the Torah. That’s why he danced around the words Har Sinai in his last post. He probably accepts that G-d gave the Torah to Moshe, but now he thinks it’s our job to interpret the Torah according to our logic. Clearly, he’s a Kofer and so there’s no point trying to continue this discussion. He’s also a total idiot and so he’ll probably play the Qwerty take your meds game. My suspicion is that he’s been diagnosed with serious mental disabilities and so he’s projecting his infirmity on me.
To Always
Thank you for this submission. Obviously, there’s no way to get through to the haters like ujm and Hakatan, just as there’s no way to get through to the atheist nevuah. I know you didn’t believe me initially about that kofer, hopefully you now see that I’m right.
To always
You make a good point, but let’s not lose sight of the fact that the Tinok Shenishba card is overplayed. Jews who grew up frum and left the faith are not Tinok Shenishba. They may have a reason for having gone lost, but to say that they’re Tinok Shenishba makes no sense. Troubled yes. But let’s not take it any further. RebEmes lies to write on VIN. He’s the typical hate filled Yeshiva junkie who looks for ways to convince himself that all Jews except for himself are going to hell.
To ashergg
Do you see my point now? The kofer can only respond to me by playing the “take your meds” game. I get no pleasure from the fact that he destroyed his life. That means nothing to me. I simply want this atheist to get lost. He has stated that he writes on non-Jewish sites. He should continue. He needs all the therapy he can get. If you’ll notice. He can’t (won’t) use the word Hashem so we get the generic G-d. Now he writes that the Torah is true not because it was given at Sinai. Why is he saying that? Because one who accept that the Torah was given to Moshe at Sinai also accepts that it has been passed down seamlessly for over 3000 years by our Sages. When Nevuah showed up initially as Rescue I asked him to name his Rabbi(s). He ignored the question, because he follows no one. He believes in whatever he decides to believe in. That’s why the Rabbis don’t want him coming near his children, because they’re afraid, he’ll turn them into Goyim. He is seriously disturbed and that’s why he constantly imputes that I’m crazy. It’s projection. Don’t waste your time with him. He’s irretrievably lost. He hates me because he knows I’m right.
To the group
This is a meaningless argument. Hashem knows every person’s life story and so only He can decide. Someone asked Rabbi Miller to comment on Tinok Shenishba and he sort of pushed it off. I think the reason he did so is because this is one of those subjects that only Hashem is privy to.
To ashergg
He’s a hardcore atheist and will never budge. As someone wrote in a different thread, he left the religion when his wife divorced him and his Rabbi sided with his wife. He thus blames G-d and Judaism for all his problems. I’ve been needling him to come clean and admit the truth, but he keeps offering his koferdig platitudes. I’ll follow this thread because I like you and your writing style, but he’s a lost cause, IMHO.
To Nevuah
The Gemara reaches that when someone accuses another of something it’s because he himself is guilty of that same thing. Therefore, since you try to impute that I’m crazy, it’s because you’ve been given that title. Obviously, your wife and your Rabbi, who know you well, came to that assessment which is why custody of your kids was awarded to your spouse. Checkmate. I’ll leave you alone if you come clean. Everyone know that fakenews is right about you. We just want to hear your side of the story.
To rebEmes
Are they honoring him or is he performing. There’s a difference.
To nevuah
I haven’t said anything contradictory. As fakenews said apparently the reason for your Kefirah is the raw deal that you got in your divorce proceedings. Now you see yourself as an expert in many areas, but my expertise is relatively limited. One subject that I do know is music. Meatloaf had a hit with “Two out of Three Ain’t Bad.” I would suggest that title applies to your marriage. You got screwed up while your ex and your children are celebrating their freedom. Am I right?
To asherrgg
Beautifully said, but you’re wasting your time talking to this atheist. He has stated that G-d has no right to tell us how to live our lives because that’s an infringement on our personal freedom. You’re assuming that he’s young because he writes like a stupid spoiled brat, but he’s an adult who just went through a nasty divorce and he’s angry at Judaism because he blames his Rabbis for getting a bad settlement. Ignore this Kofer. If you read his posts you’ll see that he says anything that’s Torahdig.
To nevuah
Shadchanim are very wary of dealing with “people” like you who ruined their first marriages. Generally, the recidivism rate is very high. You’re probably viewed as damaged goods.
To ??coffee addict
The last thing on the mind of the Kofer who started this thread is listening to the Torah. He’s already expressed on other threads that people should only keep those Mitzvahs that “HE” thinks make sense.
To SQUARE_ROOT
Rav Moshe Feinstein of course. His position was that he wasn’t necessarily in favor of establishing the State, but once it became a reality, he said that it has to be supported because of all the Jews who live there. I don’t know if this statement is in writing but growing up in his neighborhood that’s what I always heard. Therefore, this idea that every Gadol is anti-Israel is total hooey.
To rebEmes
You’re absolutely correct. Many groups, particularly Chabad, like to use the Tinok Shenishba card to excuse every sinner. Manis the Kofer Friedman stated that no Jew today can be punished no matter what sin he does because of the long, bitter Golus. Let me share a story. In 1991 I called up a very good secular friend and fellow dentist and asked him to consider becoming observant. He got angry at me and said that if I ever mention religion again our friendship is over. Then he added, “I was on my way to work this morning and two Lubavitchers tried to get me to put on Tefillin. I got rid of them by telling them I’m not Jewish.” So, think about it. This guy was about 35 at the time. The last connection he had to Judaism was at his Bar Mitzvah. Now, on the same day, Hashem sent him two wake up calls, but he ignored them. I spoke to him recently and reminded him of this story, but he had no recollection of it. I hope Hashem judges him as a Tinok Shenishba because he’s a very nice guy, but Hashem sends warnings all the time, and people pay no attention.
To Nevuah
So, what’s the name of the Rabbi who stabbed you in the back during your divorce proceedings? Inquiring minds want to know. Before your divorce were you Shomer Shabbos or did you leave the faith even when you were married?
To the group
I would take this warning very seriously. The Gemara says that Nevuah was taken from the prophets and given to children and shotim and there’s no bigger Shoteh than this worthless Kofer.
To @fakenews
I wasn’t sure if you were correct about Nevuah/rescue but now I’m convinced because he ignored your post and continued his stupid rants on other threads. It’s the Kofer’s MO to mach nish vissidik when his position is refuted. I thought he was just an angry OTD, but your depiction is a better fit. If you’ve been paying attention most of his insults are directed at me. Last week he started a thread, “Qwerty is Ill” implying that I’m crazy. And on several occasions, he wrote that I need a psychiatrist, an obvious case of projection. So why am I his whipping boy? He’s insanely jealous of me because he thinks my life, unlike his, is perfect. In fact, I have plenty of problems really serious ones, but I consider them tests from Hashem and so I try my best to deal with them. This kofer, on the other hand, reacted to the mess he made of his life, and yes, it’s his fault, even though he probably blames the entire world, by rejecting the Torah and Hashem.
To SQUARE_ROOT
Many years ago, I attended a Gemara shiur given by Rabbi Miller. He called on his two best students to say it over, but they weren’t able to do so. The Gaon remarked, “If these two Tzaddikim don’t understand the Gemara, I didn’t explain it properly.” I blame myself for not being clear in my post. What I meant is that if we follow the NK lovers’ belief that the only Mitzvah of the Torah is to destroy the State of Israel then if Hashem will ask me at 120 why I didn’t act like Boruch Goldstein i.e. the NK’s concept of Dr. Goldstein a Jew hating madman I’ll answer that Rav Moshe supported the state. Hopefully this clarifies what I meant. As for your statement that you aren’t attacking me, I don’t mind being challenged, it gives me the chance to elaborate on my position. Hey, we’re on the same side and it’s the right side, it’s Hashem’s side. We’re good.
To IMHO
I absolutely love this topic so let me offer my two cents. The Gemara says that the Beis Hamikdash was destroyed because the people kept the Torah. The Gemara then asked the obvious question, “Was that a reason for the Temple to be destroyed?” It answered that the people didn’t go “Lifnim Mishuras Hadin” beyond the letter of the law. So, what does that mean? Let’s say you walk into shul and find someone in your seat. According to Halacha you can ask that person to move, but menschlichkeit speaks otherwise. You must assess if the person will be upset, and or insulted before acting on the Halacha. Yesterday, I was in a thread on VIN which discusses the Mitzvah of rebuking another Jew. Some people wrote that it’s a Biblical obligation, but I noted that it should only be done if one is relatively certain that the subject will listen to him. Let’s look at Tinok Shenishba. About two years ago I debated this point with a Lubavitcher on VIN. He blanketly said that according to the Chazon Ish every nonobservant Jew today is a Tinok Shenishba. I said that’s ridiculous because only Hashem can decide who falls into that category. He wouldn’t budge so I cited Alan Dershowitz who publicly announced that when he was 29, he walked away from Yiddishkeit because he didn’t want his children’s potential to be stunted by its rules. The guy wasn’t interested. People latch on to some statement by a known Rabbi and apply it as one size fits all. As for Dan Lkaf Zchus this only applies if you don’t know the religious status of the person in question. If, on the other hand, you know that the person is observant than if you see him step into a car on Shabbos you must assume that it’s to perform a Mitzvah. And if you know he isn’t frum then you can assume the worst. It’s when you don’t know about the person that you have to give him the benefit of the doubt. Yasher Koach for starting this thread.
To simcha613
The definition of insanity is doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. How many times will you try to reach these NK’s before you accept the fact that it’s hopeless. Some “people” are hopelessly lost. They’ve crossed the 50th level which is the point of no return. Only the crazy Lubavichers believe that every Jew will be redeemed by Moshiach, but the Gemara takes a very different approach.
To @fakenews
This jerk has decided that he’s the moral compass for YWN. First, he decided which Mitzvahs of the Torah people should keep, and now he wants to tell parents how they should raise their children. He’s OTD and instead of getting help he rewrites the religion in his image of Kefirah. He’s single with no prospects for marriage and so he compensates by telling normal successful people how they should live.
To DaMoshe
Many years ago, I started attending a certain shul. The Rabbi approached me and said that I should start going to the Mikveh on Erev Shabbos, my minhag is to go only of Erev Yom Tov. Not long after, I discovered that this Rabbi is a notorious thief. I’ve come to realize that people who tell others what they should do generally do so as a defense mechanism because they have no desire to address their own weak points.
To Koifer
If, at 120, Hashem asks me why I didn’t go Baruch Goldstein and blow up the Knesset, I’ll tell him that Rav Moshe, the Gadol and Posek Hador supported the State once it came into existence. Checkmate.
To Keith
I don’t know what you mean by Fox, but I’ll address your post. Rabbi Miller said that Gehinnom is the world of regret. At 120 each person will be shown his life, and he’ll see all the mistakes he made. What will hurt the most is that he’ll be shown the opportunities that Hashem arranged for him that he passed on. Just this past Shabbos I ran into a family of secular Israeli tourists as I was about to enter the Synagogue. I gestured to them to come in, but they politely demurred. Such occurrences are constant and Hashem has them all recorded for those who’ll try to excuse themselves that they were Tinok Shenishbas.
To SQUARE_ROOT
This thread really gets it. Rabbi Miller said that a person can keep the Torah and still not have any idea as to what Judaism really is. A person has to think about what Hashem wants from us and not only what He tells us.
To Chaim87
Thank you for the kind words. If there are posters who write vile things about each other, they must be balanced by posters who say nice things to each other. I have a reputation for being a hater, but it’s so untrue. I simply speak what I view as the truth, and I listen to the opinions of others.
To Keith
When all of us come to the next world, we’ll be shocked at how far we strayed from the Torah and I include myself. BTW, several months ago I wrote a Dvar Torah on Loshon Hora and explained that it’s the one sin that people transgress which provides no actual benefit and so it’s a real feather in the Yetzer hora’s cap when he ensnares us.
To pure yiddishkeit
I certainly agree with you that he’s a Kofer as well as a worthless lowlife and he should be banned from any Torah website. He showed up several months ago demanding that people respect his oppion, that’s how the retard spells opinion. To be fair, he does show respect to other people’s points of view. When that crazy Lubavitch woman said that Schneersohn is G-d’s physical son, several posters took her on, but this “Tzaddik” came to her defense attacking us for bullying her into accepting our position. And when he’s called a Kofer for rejecting our Mesorah, he argues that his oppion has to be respected. Sadly, AAQ has decided that this nut job is a latter day Rambam and Ramban put together since he can explain the reasons for the Mitzvahs. He can explain the reasons for Mitzvahs like Mandani can become Moshiach.
To keith
Are you implying that I’m the example of a Jew hater? I’m asking because I’m the only person you mentioned by name.
To Chaim87
I completely agree with you. Unfortunately, very few people are willing to even consider Mussar. Let me share a story. I used to be friendly with a Chabad Rabbi who was and is totally obsessed with money. He told me about a Lubavicher who went into business and became fabulously wealthy. This Rabbi went to his house to see how much money he could schnorr from him. The Rabbi told me that he was shocked at how this Gvir was living. He said, “If I had his money, I’d have the biggest mansion in the world.” And then he added, “The most incredible thing is that I could see that his wife is happy.” This Rabbi’s wife is even dirtier than he is. The point is that this Rabbi went to the mogul to see how much he could take from him, but Hashem gave him a mussar lesson that living for wealth isn’t the way to achieve happiness. Obviously, he just walked away thinking that the tycoon is a fool.
To HaKatan
Because then he’ll just get his answer, but here he’ll start a fight, as is the case with almost all of the threads.
To ?? coffee addict
I do ignore most of his comments. I’ll try to heed your advice and ignore him completely. Unlike most posters, I accept Mussar if it’s appropriate.
To ?? coffee addict
I would think that you’d follow the advice you gave me and not try and engage him in discussion. Everything he writes is meaningless gibberish and empty platitudes. Moreover, he’s psychologically incapable of acknowledging that he can be wrong, so he ignores all refutations to his position.
To always
To put Ramban/m in the same sentence with rescue is quite questionable to say the least. Of course, that nut job thinks he’s smarter than both of them put together. We wouldn’t call Rav Moshe a Rishon but you’re according this Kofer that honor.
To user176 and simcha613
Logical arguments don’t work on brainwashed and braindead cult followers. When I arrived at YWN in 2023 Lubavichers were spouting their Rebbe garbage. One of them “proved” that the Rebbe was Moshiach, and a Novi by citing a Psak signed by over a 100 Chabad Rabbis who added that Schneersohn is still alive. You’re both good guys, what do you hope to accomplish? Those NK supporters are way past the 50th level of Tumah.
To mobico
The Gemara says that the reason for the Churban Bayis Sheini is that the people kept the Torah. The Gemara asked the obvious question, “If they kept the Torah, why was there a Churban?” The Gemara answered, “It’s because they didn’t go Lifnim Mishuras Hadin.” So, what does that mean? In Yiddishkeit there’s following Halacha and there’s also following what Hashem wants. While there’s no Issur in going away for Pesach, there is a question if that’s how Hashem wants people to spend that Yom Tov. I’m not one to Pasken or tell others what to do, but there’s no question that the frum world is obsessed with gashmius. Again, you’ll probably dismiss this argument by saying that critics of those who indulge themselves are just jealous of the haves. Ramban said that one can be a Minuvel Birishus Hatorah. That’s a very valid argument and sadly there are people who are living extravagant lifestyles, and they can’t even afford it, but they feel obliged to keep up with the Schwartzes. If you’d like to discuss this further just write, but I suspect you’ll just dismiss what’s been said and go back to making plans for your next extravaganza.
To mobico
It’s far worse than a criticism of frumkeit. The fellow who started this thread is a maniac who now calls himself Nevuah, but he showed up at YWN about three months ago with the handle rescue. It makes no difference. He keeps posting the same Kefirah, such as only brainless sheeple(that’s his favorite word) follow the Torah blindly, but G-d wants us to use our free will and only follow those laws that are based on common sense. He’s a kofer in Hashem and in the Torah and obviously the Gemara etc. He’s announced that he alone knows which laws of the Torah people should keep. He’s totally insane. He used my name in this post, because I was the first one to call him out and I’ve been doing so consistently. You’re right to ask why the moderators allow him to spew his trash, but it’s our job to drive him out by calling him what he is a Sonei Hashem.
To SQUARE_ROOT
Most people focus on Chabad’s insane belief that Schneersohn will have a “Second Coming,” but any false belief spawns collateral falsehoods. In Chabad’s case it’s the lie that Schneersohn invented that Moshiach, meaning himself, will save all Jews, even total Rashaim like Nevuah. In fact, the Gemara states the opposite, that only a small percentage of Jews will be redeemed, which is one of the reasons that there were Amoraim who said that they don’t want to live in the period of Moshiach. Now people look at that Gemara and assume that it’s talking about the irreligious Jews, and that may be so, although only Hashem can judge them, but who said that all the frum will get a ticket to Olam Habo? There’s a Midrash which teaches that before the Mabul Hashem gave the people everything they could want in Gashmius. We can understand that Midrash as alluding to the last meal that one gives a condemned prisoner before he dies. Today there are many thousands of Frum Jews who have generational wealth. Now this doesn’t mean that they have to flaunt it, and some don’t, but for the majority, that is exactly what has happened. They’ll argue that it’s their money and they have a right to do what they want with it. Actually, they’re wrong. One must view his wealth as a gift from Hashem and then ask himself if he’s using it in the way that Hashem wants him to. Sadly, very few people think that way and they fall under the umbrella created by the Ramban who said that a person can be a Menuval Birishus Hatorah. Yes, the food at these events and the Pesach vacations and the and the etc is perfectly Kosher, but the way they live is not in line with Hashem’s wishes. But if they aren’t doing anything wrong Halachically what’s the problem? The problem is that their actions have a ripple effect and induce others, who aren’t in their stratosphere to try and keep up with them. Not only does this create undue stress, but it takes people away from their true purpose in life which is studying Torah and doing Chesed. I’ll finish with the point I introduced at the start. Chabad tells everyone that they have nothing to fear because the Rebbe is running the world and he will accept everyone when he claims his throne. Nothing could be further from the truth. While Jews today are worried about anti-Semitism and it’s a real concern, there’s also a threat for so many to lose their Olam Habo if they devote themselves to Gashmius. The problem is that there’s nothing we can do about it. The Rabbis won’t discuss this issue because they rely on these Machers to pay for their Mosdos. All we can do is keep our minds focused on the truth and stay close to Hashem while ignoring these fools who think they have it all. I’m sure that Nevuah agrees with everything I said. He’s such a Chassid of mine that he even started a new thread to honor me. Of course, he spelled my “name” wrong, but what can you expect, no one’s ever accused him of being a rocket scientist. LOL.
To the group
Last week I issued a simple challenge to the atheist who calls himself Nevuah. He claimed that my religion is false. I responded that my religion is Judaism and its adherents keep all of G-d’s commandments, I then asked him which religion he follows. As expected, he didn’t answer but he did say that my religion is fanatacism stop taking things so literally. So, there you have it. He calls on the posters to pick and choose those parts of the Torah that are in line with his viewpoint.
To rescue
You are correct that Happy can’t prove that his version of the Torah, which is also the version that has been accepted for over three thousand years, is true. However, he and all those who agree with him, which includes every Jew who is practicing the true form of Judaism have a Chazakah. It comes from the first Mishna in Pirkei Avos which says that Hashem gave the Torah to Moshe who transmitted it to the elders and so on to this day. We believe that this is an unbroken chain of transmission. You, however, reject this and so you believe that all our prophets, Tannaim, Amoraim etc were in on this great big coverup that only you unearthed. Perhaps,(lol) But the principle in Judaism and in life is that if one side has a Chazakah, to overturn that Chazakah one must have a very strong counter suit. What’s your proof that we should reject what has been taught from time immemorial and trust in you? Well actually you do have a proof. The Gemara says that Nevuah was taken away during Bayis Sheini and given to psychotics, so you might have a case, because you certainly fit that bill, but it doesn’t say retarded psychotics, so again it’s checkmate you worthless moron.
To user176
Actually, you understate their level of depravity. They consider every Jew living in Isarael except for the handful who carry Palestinian flags the enemy. In addition, they consider all Jews in Chutz Laaretz who refuse to denounce the state as Zionist idolaters. What follows is that they only believe that a few hundred Jews in the world are Kosher. As the Gemara says, “It’s an upside-down world.”
To the group
There seems to be individuals on YWN who aren’t convinced that nevuah/rescue is a kofer. Let’s present what he wrote on May 3. We have a choice between blind obedience to Hashem’s laws and living as we choose which makes us happy. To that point one must strike a balance between the two. This means that a Jew should keep some of the Torah’s laws, but those which he considers too restrictive he should reject. Sounds like Kefirah to me.
To nevuah
Anyone whose mother is/was Jewish is a real Jew. However, if they think and act like you, they are not practicing real Judaism
To Haleivi
NK’s and their supporters would certainly be happy if, Chas Veshalom, “Israel’s enemies” were beaten, because it would prove, at least in their demented minds, that they’re right. So, they can say that they don’t want any harm to befall the Jews in Israel rather they just want the country destroyed, but they’re full of it. I’m not including you in the discussion because I’m not aware of your leanings in this matter.
To SQUARE_ROOT
I’d like to comment on your two points. First, Rabbi Miller said that Rasha and Raash(noise) have the same letters and this teaches us that Rashaim make a lot of noise. I would add that the reason they do so is because they know that what they’re saying is garbage and so they try to drown out any dissenting views. As for what you said regarding the moderators, you’re right that they won’t step in, but we don’t need their help. What we should do is when one of the Rashaim insults someone who’s speaking the truth, we have to defend that person. This throws them off.
To recue/nevuah
Yesterday, in a different thread, you said that I practice a false religion. My religion is Judaism, and its adherents accepts all of Hashem’s commandments. Which religion are you part of?
To SQUARE_ROOT
Let’s take a look at the sheigitz’ last post. “False religion. Funny joke coming from you. Your religion and way of thinking is false.” The atheist called nevuah/rescue was referring to my comment about Chabad. In his opinion my religion AKA Toras Moshe is false, and it should be replaced with his religion in which people decide which laws of the Torah make sense and only keep those. He has proudly stated that he doesn’t observe Shabbos because its prohibitions don’t make sense.
To SQUARE_ROOT
Take a look at Nevuah/rescue’s latest post. “Let’s unpack, qwerty watches tv but thinks difference of oppion is Kefirah.” First off, the only reason anyone has an issue with watching tv is because of Rabbi Miller’s lie that TV is considered sefarim chitzonim. What this dirtbag calls difference of oppion is his belief that one should only keep those Mitzvohs that make sense to him. Therefore, he proudly admits that he doesn’t keep Shabbos because its laws are illogical. I’ll just add a word. I assume you remember the Chabad Rabbanit who said that Schneersohn was G-d’s actual physical son. This atheist who now calls himself Nevuah defended her position as being valid. As he said, “She was expressing her oppion and she shouldn’t be bullied.” His mantra is that one has the right to argue against any law of the Torah that he thinks is illogical. He’s running scared as evidenced by his name change and now, he’s trying to play the tv card as if any Jew other than the idiots who follow Rabbi Miller think there’s a problem with TV. Just a point, I watch Jeopardy once in a while and a ballgame on Sundays, but I learn at least seven hours a day. This jerk spends his life online watching YouTube videos so he can feed his obsession with secular humanism. He’s an atheist far worse than Chabad, because Lubavichers at least keep Mitzvohs. Not only does he violate any law that he considers unjust, but he also tells others that they should emulate him. He’s a Chotei Umachtei and that’s yemach shemo.
To Nevuah
I am not confused. You are either retarded or a liar and I would say both. “We” didn’t establish that the person was put to death for carrying wood. You established that. While it happens to be true, it has nothing to do with my point. The punishment for carrying keys on Shabbos in the public domain is Kareis or death. And the same punishment applies for all the 39 Melachos and their Toldos. Do you have a problem with that? Checkmate you Christian moron.
To anso
Your point is well taken, and it follows logically because I don’t believe that nevuah/rescue is Jewish.
To always
Why are you defending this Christian missionary? Do you agree with his oppion that one should only keep those laws that make sense to him? He’s now trying to escape my checkmate regarding Shabbos. The only reason we keep Hilchos Shabbos is because the Torah said so. Unfortunately, you’re a contrarian and so you’re agreeing with him.
To user176
I have a wonderful actual example to make your point. Rav Aharan Lichtenstein was one of the leaders of Religious Zionism. When he passed away one son took over as Rosh Yeshiva of Har Etzion and another son became a Rosh Yeshiva in Torah Vodaath. Obviously, they love each other even though one is Yeshivish and the other is Zionistic. So yes, there’s no reason that two people with different Hashkafahs can’t get along as beautifully as they do.
To simcha613
I usually don’t get involved in threads involving Zionism, because the NK supporters come out and there’s no point in arguing with them. All that happens is that it leads to name calling.
To the group
In the post which began this thread, rescue/nevuah cited the Golden Rule, “Do unto others etc.” Only one problem; that’s the Christian version. For Jews it’s “That which you find detestable don’t do to others.” The reason they’re similar is because the Christians stole the idea from us. Am I making a big deal out of nothing? Definitely not. Al Pi Shnayim Adim Yokom Dovor. A second proof. When rescue appeared about three months ago, the infamous “Chabad Rabbanit” declared that Schneersohn was G-d’s physical son. She was correctly taken to task by several posters, but one person came to defend her neo- Christianity. That’s right, rescue AKA the artist now known as Nevuah. But we have another Posuk, Devarim 19:15 which says, “Al Pi Shnayim O Sheloshah Adim” So we see that sometimes we use three proofs. If we look at the various posters on YWN, we are Torah Jews and this comes across in our writing. We cite Gemaras, Midrashim and Posukim, but not rescue, rather he follows the New Testament of Secular Humanism. Yes, he’ll offer a verse like “Love Your Neighbor Like Yourself” but that’s one of the classic verses that Christian missionaries have seized on. I’ll even add a fourth proof at no extra cost. Not long after rescue started spouting his trash, I asked him to name his Rabbi(s) but he ignored my request. I assumed, at the time, that he was OTD and so he had no Rav, but the evidence now points in the direction that he is a Jew for J or cheeses if you will, or perhaps he’s even a full-fledged Christian. Whatever the case may be, no one should endorse, in any way, anything that he has, or will say. And, of course, checkmate.
To SQUARE_ROOT
After you straighten out Hakatan, you can convince Lubavichers that the Rebbe isn’t Moshiach. We’re talking about full-fledged idolaters. By definition, they can’t be reached. They’ve all crossed the fiftieth level of Tumah but they think it’s a joke because Schneerson told them that he’s going to save every Jew.