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To ujm

Please explain how they misguide others.

To the group

YYA sinks to a new low by suggesting a commonality between those who criticize Chabad and those who support Neturei Karta. The differences should be manifest, but YYA is a talented wordsmith, and he may have fooled some into sharing his point of view, so let me debunk his theory. NK posits that Zionism is the root of all evil. Fine, but they never advance any cogent arguments to that point. They simply regurgitate this nonsensical mantra. In contrast, critics of Chabad clearly articulate our issues; the belief that the Rebbe is a deity, that he was a Novi, that he is Moshiach, that the Torah laws are no longer obligatory. The second major divide is that Neturei Karta calls for the elimination of the State of Israel. Having been labeled the “most strident anti-Lubavicher”, I can categorically state that I wish no harm to Chabad. In fact, I encourage all their activities and would like to see them grow exponentially. My problem is with Chabad theology which is not a valid representation of Judaism. Unlike the coward YYA who hides in his bunker when challenged I will respond to any challenges against my position.

To Yedl

I think you misunderstood what Haimy was saying. He tried to make it clear that he wasn’t equating all Chabad houses, rather he was speaking of those centers that are in far-flung places. Let’s explain. If someone is a Shliach anywhere in Israel, as an example, he will have ample opportunities for Kiruv since every secular Israeli is a viable candidate for Kiruv. Similarly, there are cities which are major hubs for Jews, e.g Chicago, Paris etc where there is a large Jewish population base to work from. Haimy agrees that there’s no issue with Chabad operating in those places. The question arises in countries like Korea, Malaysia Phillipines etc, where there are no Jews except an occasional traveler or someone who has seasonal work. Or in cities like Cheyenne Wyoming. Anchorage Alaska where the only Jews there are intermarried. So, they’ll come to the Chanukah party with their gentile spouse but a week later they’ll go to the X-Mas party. Again, Kiruv really isn’t possible in those places. But that doesn’t matter to Chabad because their real goal is “global domination.” as I’ve explained. As for your grandfather, Chabad was different at that time. It was seriously interested in Kiruv, but things have changed.

To yankel berel

I hope you now appreciate how deceitful YYA is. Rather than engage in honest discussion, he attacks us as being unwilling to talk. He better hope that the Kofer Manis Friedman is right and Hashem no longer punishes, because the G-d I believe in doesn’t like liars.

To Lemayseh

I’m happy to see that you called out YYA. He’s a shill for Chassidus particularly Chabad. You can tell when someone is a liar when that person never acknowledges any point made by his adversary. That’s YYA to a tee. Anything he says should be taken with a quarter grain of salt. On the other, hand I don’t believe, as you seem to be implying, that eventually Chassidus will disappear. Of course, you’re right that the main problem with the Chassidic world is Chabad. On a personal note, I was very close to a Chassidish Rebbe, who was a Gadol. He and Rav Moshe were best friends, and I consider him far and away the greatest person I’ve ever known. He knew Shas by heart with every Tosafos. I’m partial to Rebbes who are great Talmidei Chachamim like the Sfas Emes.

To Yaakov Yosef A

On November 24th you wrote, “The Rebbe also famously promised that he takes personal responsibility for the children of the Shluchim.” Is that promise still in effect now that he’s six feet under? Schneersohn “prophesied” that Moshiach will arrive in “this” generation. Since more than a generation passed can he ask for backsies? Waiting for your answer but since none will be forthcoming let me give you a Thanksgiving checkmate. By the way, why haven’t you chosen a new Rebbe since your first one died? Checkmate sheini

To GadolHadolfi

Before I respond to your post, I’d like to ask you a question, “Why did you address your comment to me? SQUARE-ROOT, Philosopher and Yankel Berel, to name three, and there are others, see eye to eye with me. We all agree that Chabad is an idolatrous religion, that Manis Friedman is a Kofer and that the idea that the Rebbe was a Novi or Moshiach is preposterous. Now as for what you wrote. I certainly agree that Chabad does much good. I have been consistent in praising them for these services. However, I would be remiss not to bring it to the attention of the public that the Chabad religion is not a valid expression of Judaism. Again, please answer my question. But since I know you won’t, Checkmate.

To SQUARE_ROOT

I would love to hear the story. Please share it. You never know, maybe YYA will convert to Judaism. Actually, that won’t happen. Shlomo Hamelech already warned us about that Chabad shill, “There’s more hope for a fool than one who’s wise in his own eyes.”

To the group

On Nov 23, 2025 YYA wrote to Haimy, “If you’re seriously interested in hearing what the Shluchim themselves have to say about this you should ask them.” Sounds logical right? But not so fast. Several months ago YYA wrote, in a different thread that he can answer all the challenges to Chabad, but he decided against it. Yankel berel and non-political, who are on very good terms with this cretin, politely asked him to respond but he adamantly refused. So we make a Kal Vchomer, “If YYA, who isn’t Chabad refused to discuss the matter because he knew that he couldn’t defend Chabad’s idolatry and Kefirah, will an actual Lubavicher give any honest answers?” Unfortunately YYA won’t understand my argument because only someone who learns Gemara would be familiar with the concept of Kal Vchomer and clearly he spends all his time on YWN writing drivel.

To Haimy

A few weeks ago, a Lubavich boy who’s the son of shluchim in Korea killed himself. There’s obviously a problem but Chabad sweeps all its bad publicity under the rug.

To chiefshmerel

Your post reminds me of a story I read many years ago. (if memory serves it involved the Chasam Sofer.) A local priest took a little Christian boy and taught him the basics of Yiddishkeit and how to daven in Hebrew. He then brought the boy for a “farher” to the Chasam Sofer. The Gaon was duly impressed and commented, “If the boy was Jewish, he would have a great future.” The galach asked the Chasam Sofer how he knew that the boy wasn’t Jewish and the Gadol answered, “He davened so fervently but there wasn’t even one shuckel.” You state that Chabad is devoted to Messianism. That’s not exactly true. They’re devoted to Rebbianism. They would never accept any Moshiach except the Rebbe. As I wrote in an earlier post, they have been brainwashed into believing that Schneersohn is Moshiach.

To Haimy

I know you mean well, but Lubavichers are not rational functioning human beings. I’ll share a story that came out from the recent Kinus Shluchim. A shliach in Israel had a two-year-old son whose legs were amputated due to an illness (this happened about ten years ago). He and his wife were plunged into a deep depression, as would be expected. A local psychologist offered to treat them for free, but they refused saying, “Our entire existence depends on the Rebbe. He gives us our strength and we’ll get through this.” They are idolaters so there’s no point in offering logical advice.

To Haimy

I think the premise of your question is incorrect. Chabad’s goal is not Kiruv, it’s global domination. I’ll offer three proofs. Not long after Lubavich tots leave the cradle they’re taught the following song, “From 770 we are marching out, on to victory there is no doubt, one by one nations we are conquering.” Point two, about ten years ago I spoke to Dr. Berger, and he told me that the Rebbe often spoke about taking over the world. Final proof. About 15 years ago I attended the Jewish National Retreat. This is Chabad’s annual convention. It was held that year in Fairfax VA, right near Washington DC and so Rabbi Levi Shemtov. On Thursday night he spoke, “People think that we’re a Kiruv organization but they have no idea of our power. The Ambassador from Bahrain to America is Jewish and Chabad has already made contact with her.” I was laughing to myself because the Ambassador was my wife’s distant cousin. She was replaced some years ago. Your question then should be, “Is Chabad sacrificing their youth in the quest to rule the world?” And the answer is a resounding yes. About 20 years ago a Chabad Rabbi told me, “The Rebbe is the reason the world was created.” This is their worldview and so the individuals are essentially irrelevant. Chabad, as it presently operates, was formulated in the Soviet Union and it has the same basic philosophy. Everyone and everything were subservient to Mother Russia, everyone and everything is subservient to the Rebbe.

To yankel berel

You know how much I like and respect you and it’s to that point that I reiterate my suggestion that you don’t waste time arguing with SJ. Nebach, he’s another lost soul. As to your claim that you want to save others who will be misled, no one is interested in their insanity.

To somejew

To your credit, you have good Middos and don’t resort to name-calling like YYA. Unfortunately, I and almost every other Jew, completely reject everything you stand for.

To ZSK

No, he doesn’t know it. When people become consumed by some issue all rationality falls by the wayside.

To the group

You’re not going to get through to these people. They see Zionism as the root of all evil. They’re likely nice people who keep the Torah so let them be.

To Always

I was speaking to a Holocaust survivor. The last thing I intended to do was upset her. The point I was making was that it’s illogical for someone to say that they used to believe in G-d but not anymore.

To Anonymous Jew

I’m going to come to your defense because your point is well taken. When we say that Torah protects, we don’t really know what that means, because as you said, throughout the millennia countless Tzaddikim have been martyred. Now we must understand that we can never reject a Torah principle and the belief that Talmud Torah is a shield is certainly such a principle, but it could mean that one who studies is guaranteed Olam Habo. That’s why the people who ridicule the IDF are fools. A Jew must live rationally. Dovid Hamelech didn’t tell his men to sit in the Bes Hamedrash. They fought. It’s quite possible that some stayed behind and learned, certainly learning helps, but this idea that some have that if everyone sat in the Bes Hamedrash Israel could dismantle its armed forces is insane. So, I somewhat agree with you, however, we must be clear that every Chazal is true, but how it’s understood isn’t necessarily clear cut.

To the group

I must apologize for an error in yesterday’s post. I meant to write that when the mass grave was opened the Rebbe’s body was intact, but obviously he wasn’t alive. My fault for not reading what I wrote before submitting it.

To Coffee Addict

Let me clear up the confusion. On October 30th, 741 wrote to me, “I’m just wondering, do you consider every Lubavicher a Kofer? Rather than wait for me to answer, he shared the story, in the same post, about the Shliach whose body didn’t decompose. In other words, he took it upon himself to decide that I consider every Lubavicher a Kofer and this was his proof that I’m wrong. The problem is that I never said, nor do I think, that every Lubavicher is a Kofer and so his entire post is completely ridiculous. But then what would you expect from a Kofer. I can call him a Kofer because he refuses to answer my question, to wit, “Do you agree that Manis Friedman is a Kofer?” Obviously he’s dodging my question because he agrees with Manis and he probably also agrees with Cunin that Schneersohn runs the world.

To yankel berel

He knows that the story is irrelevant. It’s classic Chabad. Ignore the subject and focus on nonsense. We understand his point. If this Shliach’s body didn’t decompose that’s proof that he was a Tzaddik. Okay, so what does that have to do with the fact that their religion, in our time, promotes Kefirah?

To Uncle Ben

I laud your attempt to support AAQ, but you failed miserably. Neither he nor I mentioned the word Machlokes, but you made that the centerpiece of your argument. AAQ posited that even though there are Lubavichers who espouse Kefirah, that’s not such a problem because they care for other Jews. Please cite where in Novi we find that Hashem is pleased with an atheist like Manis Friedman, who teaches that Mitzvas are optional and that G-d is no longer able to punish even willful sinners. Checkmate.

To yankel berel

I know about the “other” Qwerty. Suffice it to say, it isn’t me. Let’s leave it there.

To square root

Dr. Berger made the same point in his book. The Gedolim do not want to get involved. That’s why we have to come to the plate. It’s not our place to challenge the Gedolim. We just have to do whatever we can do.

To Always Ask Questions

Manis Friedman, probably Chabad’s most influential Rabbi declared that no Jew can be punished on matter what he does, because of the long, bitter exile. Translation, G-d no longer exists. This is the normative Chabad belief. The Rabbi of the Chabad shul I attend said that there is no Gehinnom any more. You should speak to more Lubavichers. They’ll confirm everything that I and the others in this thread have said. Obviously the Brisker Rov is greater than any of us but he wrote many decades ago. Things have gotten far worse.

JUST SHUT UP ALL OF YOU,EVERY ONE WRITS HERE SOON WILL SUFFER FROM AN ILLNESS REALY BAD TILL HIS DEATH UNTILL REALIZE WHAT CAN DO LOSHON HARA

To yankel berel

I don’t know if you’re correct or not. I met two women who each left Chabad and married normal Jews. One left because her father told her to get out before he died. He was a BT but when he saw how Chabad deified the Rebbe after his death, he realized that he had chosen the wrong religion. I don’t know why the other woman saw the light, but I had one exchange with her in which I asked her in front of her in-laws if it’s true that Lubavichers are taught that they’re better than all other Jews. They thought I was crazy for suggesting this, but she confirmed it. My son was at a gathering and two OTD Lubavichers showed up. They each described their Yeshiva experience. Every morning their Rebbes asked them how they connected to the Rebbe the day before. Lubavich is Judaism without G-d. It’s hard for me to believe that every Lubavicher believes their religion is flawless. I think they’re psychologically trapped. Chabad developed in the Soviet Union and that’s how they learned to control their minions. Lemayseh, I’m not arguing with you. Yes, every Lubavicher will spout the same garbage, i.e. that the Rebbe is infallible, but I think there are Lubavichers who can be reached. On VIN there’s a decent guy who argues with me. He posits that there’s just a few crazies and all the others fall in line, because they’re afraid to act. That’s wishful thinking on his part. Let’s continue the discussion and continue welcoming Lubavichers to join us. I, for one, don’t bite.

To Lemayseh

President Trump isn’t a Chussid. He is, as Square Root said, one of Chabad’s useful idiots. The point is that Chabad doesn’t listen to anyone. They are completely in the clutches of the Yetzer hora who sold them a bill of goods that the Rebbe runs the world.

To the Group

Clearly Chabad doesn’t care about anything that real Jews say. What’s interesting is that if we look at the comments coming from CH in the aftermath of this incident, the Lubavichers are aware that there’s a problem, but they won’t do anything about it. Ultimately, Hashem will take matters in His own hand(s.)

To the Group

I’m waiting for the apologists. Tzfatim don’t represent Chabad. And Cunin and Manis Friedman don’t represent Chabad. And the Meshichistim don’t represent Chabad. And the fellow(s) who put up Messiah is Here signs doesn’t represent Chabad. President Truman famously said, “The buck stops here.” Who, if anyone, does represent Chabad?”

To non-political

No problem. I know you are a decent person. Non Lubavichers, like YYA, who defend Chabad are impossible to deal with. They somehow think that they have a Heter to say anything they want. The laws of Judaism also apply in forums such as ours. There’s still a Mitzvah of Veahavta Lersyecha Komacha. Lubavichers attack us because they don’t like what we say, but we’re just trying to expose them to the truth. Something they won’t find in CH where a 100 Rabbis declared that the Rebbe is Moshiach and that he’s still alive.

To yankel berel

Just one more point You’ll notice that while YYA asserts that no one in this thread is capable of rendering judgments, he Paskened that I’m in immediate need of psychiatric therapy I guess his late Rebbe gave him a medical degree Obviously, I could care less what he says, but he has absolutely no mensclichkeit I don’t get angry at Sechel because he’s defending his dead god but why is this jerk so devoted to Schneersohn? Baruch Hashem you and I have had a wonderful relationship on YWN, because we converse with each other This dirt bag refuses to address me because he knows what I’ll do to him Worthless coward who ran away to start another thread He can run but no one can hide from Hashem

To the group

Yaakov Yosef A abandoned a thread in which he was heavily involved because he couldn’t(wouldn’t) answer the challenges of Yankel Berel and non-political So instead he starts his own thread and criticizes the moderators because they don’t follow his bidding While he accuses others of attacking the Lubavicher Rebbe, he fails to admit that when Rabbi Aaron Feldman, who called Manis Friedman a Kofer, was introduced to the thread he said he wasn’t interested So calling the Rebbe names is a problem for YYA but it’s okay to brush off a Gadol As Bob Grant would say, “He’s a phake, phony phraud”

To the group

If the reason YYA doesn’t want to respond to yankel berel and non-political because he’s afraid of my comments I give my word that I’ll stay out of the discussion. That’s provided of course that he doesn’t bring me into the fray. Checkmate to that dirt bag who uses the Torah to fool people.