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Thank You Matisyahu28!
coolest,
What do they do any worse than Jimmy Carter? Yes, Jimmy Carter does no good. And he is the laughing stock of the nation. But what harm is ultimately done?
Itzik,
Indeed as Feivel pointed out, my language was rhetorical. I don’t literally expect someone to say pork is kosher, or even that tznius is inapplicable (to use that example) in such blatant language. Our misguided brothers may be off the Torah reservation, but dumb they are not. They know posting something in such stark language will be laughed away. So they tend to be more sophisticated in their attacks on our Holy Torah. Instead of saying tznius is no longer applicable, they will start yelling “Taliban” when the topic of tznius comes up. Then they will justify themselves with the sophistry of leftist ideology propogated in the university’s.
And it is comments like those, that will cause any Ben Torah to nausiate and jump up in defense of our Holy Torah, and sometimes get carried away with the choice of language in response to such sophisticated, yet blatantly anti-Torah ideology.
David, not only are they not your words, but they were taken completely out of context by cherrybim if you read the dialog that the quote was made in.
Leider/cantoresq, I too agree malkus, i.e. 39 lashes, is a better solution to much crime than imprisonment.
squeak,
On behalf of the oilem, I hereby convey the recognition that you are rightfully due, but were wrongfully denied:
You are hereby deputized YWN comic genius and intellectual giant.
My advance apologies if the writing style of my last post was objectionable.
yes feivel.
tis is true.
and its a good thing for sure.
may it always remain this way.
sometimes people forget themselves and type things they would never say in person.
sometimes people are to quick on the send button.
sometimes people are upset at an untruth or an untorah saying; and word their response too strongly.
but feivel, tell me.
if someone sees a comment that is so wrong, unacceptably so.
say, a comment says pork is kosher; or chillul shabbos is not so bad.
what should the response be?
The Rebbe ZT’L never said that.
All the Rebbe’s mekor’s are brilliantly recorded in V’Yoel Moshe. Highly recommended.
Itzik,
On what basis could they be put into cheirim?
I’ve seen some comments that they are “rodfim”, but I see no halachic basis for that.
Is Cholent the only cross-denominational Jewish delicacy?
Anyone know the history of cholent and how it came about in Yiddishkeit?
the good yeshivos still hit. the ones that did away with itare the ones that have teens atrisk as they have hefkeiros.
cantor,
A good definition of a Godol is someone who other Rabbonim, cross-denominational (within Orthodoxy), seek guidance and responsa from. i.e. Rav Eliyashiv, The Skulener Rebbe, and the Babi Sali (to pick 3 names) all did all of this for Jews of Sefardic, Chasidic, and Litvish (to pick 3 denominations) persuasion (meaning all of the 3 Rabbinical examples were sought by all of the 3 denominational examples). The names you mentioned did not. i.e. Rav Schachter is a big talmid chochom, but his halachic decisions is not generally sought as binding guidance outside of YU/MO circles. (Some of the other names you mentioned, were even more pronounced in this regard.)
And Rav Svei is sought after cross-denominationaly (as much as YU may not like this). So he would certainly fall into this category.
Dear Jent1150,
I hear you. And holding your adult daughters hand in public is okay as well? (Since, as you point out, it can’t be seen as affection like if someone would hold a wifes hand in public Chas’Veshalom.)
Deat Jent1150,
You are correct of course that a man can kiss his daughter, as he can his wife. But the Even Ezer simon 21 siuf 7, isn’t matir doing it in public, even if everyone knows its his daughter, just as he couldn’t kiss his wife in public even though everyone knows she is his wife. Presumably you agree a man cannot kiss his wife in public even though everyone knows its his wife. The daughter in this case was not a koton (…going to seminary), they are over 12. Hence it is not permissible to do it in the street (or the airport).
(Pashute Jew, you are despicable. Just in the other thread I saw you wrote off Shulchan Orach as inapplicable these days and merely a “good idea”. Suddenly for the first time you are a fan of jent when he says something fitting your bill of goods. I refuse engage with a character as yourself.)
Editor, Another good idea would be to add more than 20 threads on the main coffee room page, since there are now just about more than 20 active discussions, and some get “lost” (you have todig it out) and it loses comments. I’d suggest maybe 30 threads on the main coffee room page.
rabbiner, the choson/kalla also hold hands at the mitzvah tantz and after the chupa. do you hold your wifes hands in public? If you do, there is nothing left for us to talk about.
insuranceguy, I’m sorry to hear that you are ashamed to be frum and duck under your desk everytime you see someone with a yarlmulka passing by. If thats what embarrasses you and (or if you think thats what breeds anti-semitism) you need to stop being a caveman, come out and breath the fresh air.
Sorry to have to be the one to bust the bubble here (but someone has to defend the Torah), there is no defense for the father who put his hand on his daughter IN PUBLIC. That is a breach of tznius. (Yes, even father/daughter. In public.)
mariner: My advance apologies for bursting the bubble on your new-liberal religious views, but Geirim today break off their ties to their birth family as much as ever
Its best to filter out these new age modern religious philosophies.
proud mother,
You are NOT stealing ANYTHING tangible. In fact, you are not “stealing” altogether. The issue is “Taking away business” since you would’ve bought the product otherwise.
And according to Rav Eliyashev, you are not even violating dina Dmalchusa Dina, since Dina does not apply between two Jews, just between Jew and State.
PashutehYid:
I am literally sickened to the core at your sick reference to the Merkaz boys and the Hesder boys being Nazis.
And I don’t care for your excuse about making an example, relaying a message, talking about others opinions, your a big Zionist so your okay saying it, etc. Fech.
So halacha as paskened by the Rambam allows a husband to hit his wife (in certain circumstances)?
I also hadn’t heard that a wife is mechuyiv to serve her husband, wash his hands, pour his drinks, etc. This is halacha l’maaisa?
Wow, I wasn’t even aware that a wife was halachicly OBLIGATED to wash his face, hands, and legs, pour his drink, makes the bed, and serve him.
“rabbi”ofberlin, are you really a Rabbi? What denomination?
And why do you constantly replace the Yud with a Jay?
Torah Moshe:
Wow that is new to me that Rambam. I have to look up the mekoros you quoted. I guess times change but halacha always stays the same and relevant. Is it halacha l’maaisa that if a wife doesn’t clean her husbands feet (or serve him properly) he can beat her with a stick?? (Or at least deny her food/clothing per the Rabad.) That is really striking. Most people don’t know this Rambam obviously…
anonymouse, you certainly ask a very valid question. The answer may depend on the circumstances. Indoors or outdoors? Necessary or optional?
Nevertheless, there is one thing certain. The folks around here opposed to any tznius standards will jump on your throat and call you a fanatic for even asking a tznius question. Brace yourself.
The minhug of saying it quitely is legit.
The reason for the minhug is because saying gual yisroel loud requires an amen, and most people in the minyan cannot say amen, since they are holding immediately before shemoneh esrei.
cherrybim sounds like he wants all the women on the blogs to see him as their protector to come to. lol
I agree with suraschier.
The frum people online have lower standards than the Klal, since the frummer someone is the less likely he is to be online. So the silent majority is not represented (since they don’t come to blogs) and the lowest common denominator dominates the frum forums.
So much of what we read here (be it tznius, be it dress, etc.) represents a lower standard than what the frum Klal represents.
There are MANY reasons why the goyish practice of chivalry is incorrect. When you open a door for a woman to go in first (as is practiced in a chivalrous society) you are walking in behind her. Not tzniusdik. And like someone pointed out previously, when it comes to saving lives halachicly we are obligated to save mens lives first, if its an either/or situation (unlike how it would be done in a chivalrous society.)
lgbg, anyone can call anyone “choshev.” You need a ROV to decide (like rrgirl told you.)
The “Divorce Crisis” is a byproduct of the “Tznius Crisis.”
Address the root before the symptom.
No halacha is ever a “mans issue” or a “womans issue.” Keeping the Torah and halacha is always “everyones issue.”
If copying media (intellectual property, dina dmalchusa, etc.) is a machlokes between poskim, everyone should just follow thier own posek.
What is there not to agree with such a fact anyways (that Yidden are the best)?
Its like “agreeing” that 1+1=2.
If the CHOFETZ CHAIM already saw the tznius problem in his time, uch un vay how much worse it is today!
what is wrong is when bnei torah turn a blind eye towards the prevalence of pritzus amongst our people. this problem is epidemic. and someone must stand up and yell “enough!” it is every mans call of duty to bring this pritzus to an end. you are very wrong. when some of our sisters are sinning like this, and causing our brothers to sin with their sinning, we MUST become obsessed in our continuous and unending struggle to eradicate this plague.
I just took a look in the cited Mishna Berura and Shulchan Orach. And what everyone’s been saying (ujm, Zalman, etc.) is correct! It does say that a Yid should wear a jacket by davening!
So why don’t you two bigshots (cherrybim and jphone) OPEN A MISHNA BERURA AND START LEARNING!
Yanky:
Rabbi Tendler also stated that Reb Moshe ZTV’L did not choose him as a son-in-law. So what he did at his chasuna, is hardly a reflection upon Reb Moshe.
mariner:
If you had even a clue what you were talking about, it would demonstrate a sad state of affairs on your part. Since you don’t, its hardly even funny.
Like some people mentioned earlier, some Litvish Roshei Yeshivos, like Yeshiva ChaimBerlin/Hagoen Rav Ahron Schecter, hold that Choson/Kallah must hold hands after the Chupa. So all your tainos regarding the mitzvah tantz listed, would apply no less to these Litvish Roshei Yeshivos. You display simple ignorance.
Secondly, the mitzvah tantz DOES shtam from the Machzor Vitri, despite your demonstrated lack of knowledge thereof. Machzor Vitri holds from the mitzvah tantz based on the Gemora of keitzad mirakdim. Those Yidden who’s minhig includes a mitzvah tantz, do so based upon the machzor vitri.
Thirdly, Minhug K’Halacha. Your comments reek from ignorance. The minhigum Chasidim maintain, by and large have been practiced for many centuries prior to the Baal Shem Tov. Mitzvah Tantz, Upsherin, Shmini Atzeres out the Succah, No tefillin Chol Hamoed, Nusach Sfard or Nusach Ari Hakodesh, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on.
These holy minhugim have been established by Chazal long long ago. And your trash talking of these helige minhugim is a reflection of you, not of Chazal who established these practices.
Instead of everybody offering THEIR own opinion, why not rely on the gedolim’s opinion on the matter?? If the gedolim took an opinion, who is anyone else to differ??
Frankly if you look at either the quality or quantity of the Rabbonim, you will see that they lean heavily in opposition to zionism. I don’t mean whether to participate or not in Israeli elections. I mean zionism itself.
rabbiofberlin,
1. Torah Jews were in Eretz Yisroel LONG before the tziyonim. Torah Jews started (And kept continiuing) to settle Eretz Yiroel as far back as the late 1800’s. The tziyonim get not thanks for the Torah in Eretz Hakodesh. They have only been an obstacle.
2. The tziyonim are losing. Their philosophy is dying. Their adherents are leaving. Zionism is rotting and dying from within.
Thank You Feivel.
Now that we have the Mishna Berura, this debate is over. Put on your jackets and hats, please. (And if you don’t, please don’t spread your rebelliousness to others by commenting AGAINST Mishna Berura.)
Jewess, you still are somebody. 🙂
irhakodesh, If someone is dressed INAPPROPRIATELY in SHUL by davening, it is unlikely he is having kavana.
Its befersh. Whats the argument? A converts relationship to his biological parents is the same as his relationship to his non-Jewish next door neighbor.
He is considered to have been born at the time he became a Ger. And his previous life is disregarded. He doesn’t site shiva for his bio parents death.
Pashuteh Yid-Some people find a shirt very bothersome, so surely you’ll be maskim I can daven without one.
I love how some modern folks will make every kula necessary to get what they want. To daven without a hat and jacket in shul is disrespectful to oneself, disrespectful to the shul, disrespectful to the mispallelim, and disrespectful to the RBS’O.
An even more prevelant problem is when people come to daven in a shul without a hat or even a jacket.
Yes, sometimes it may be it was unavailable or some other legitimate excuse. But it happens far too commonly for this to be the norm. Not to say chas vshalom it is very common, but it does happen far too often.
mdlevine:
I think you are wrong, and here is why. Firstly, like you correctly indicate, kanuis has its place and who are we simpletons to judge if someone is a kosher kanuy like Pinchus?
But the thing I must disagree with you is, that any comment on this blog could constitute ‘kanuis.’ Kanuis must constitute an action, not a blog comment. The negatively throwing around the term and calling anyone you disagree with a kanuy, is grossly overabused to the point it loses all meaning.
Now what a comment could constitute, is tochahcha. And unless you think the person cannot be influenced for the better, tochacha is a good thing.
What kind of question is WHY Yidden are the best?
We just are!
We are G-D’s CHOSEN NATION!!
I’m not asking ’bout the tznius but ’bout the trendiness.
Trends from Paris?