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There is a widely available video of Gavin McInnes from March 2017, in which he says “I felt myself defending the super far-right Nazis just because I was sick of so much brainwashing and I felt like going, ‘Well, they never said it didn’t happen. What they’re saying is it was much less than six million and that they starved to death and weren’t gassed, that they didn’t have supplies,”
He also uploaded a video titled “10 Things I Hate About Jews,” which was subsequently retitled as “10 Things I Hate About Israel.”
@som1
You literally just copied and pasted the very first definition of “authoritarian” that comes up on Google. If you had to google the term, perhaps you should re-do first grade with me.As you’ve proved yourself so capable with Google, may I suggest you search the term again, and actually read up Wikipedia’s full page on Authoritarianism and it’s variations?
@SyagLchochmim
Sure I know what dementia is and how to recognize its onset.You’ll see symptoms like semantic paraphrasia (“I hope they now go and take a look at the oranges, the oranges of that investigation”), phonemic paraphasia (“Betanyahu”, “bigly”), tangential speech (careening from one thought to the next in a parade of non sequiturs, frequently interrupting oneself, ), confusing people and generations (“Tim Apple”, “My father is German. Right? Was German. And born in a very wonderful place in Germany”), finding a MoCA test “very hard”, periodically struggling with basic mobility (like walking down a ramp or drinking a glass of water)…. The list goes on and on.
The occasional gaffe like using the word “million” instead of “thousand” is not a sign of dementia.
Who cares? He moved the embassy…. He commuted Rubashkin’s sentence…
Lets enable authoritarian rule, and ravage the democracy this country once was, all because this particular authoritarian occasionally does something to please the Jewish voter.
Biden has a stutter. But yeah, lets tell the world he has dementia instead.
How very honorable…
A friend of mine has a child with a stutter. Am I to recommend he send the child to dementia care?
No idea where you get your “facts” from.
But according to a 2017 study by the Brennan Center for Justice, the rate of voting fraud overall in the US is between 0.00004% and 0.0009%,
A voter fraud database collated by Arizona State University between 2000 and 2012, found 491 cases of postal ballot fraud out of hundreds of millions of votes.
In April 2020, a 20-year voter fraud study by MIT University found the level of fraud “exceedingly rare” since it occurs only in “0.00006 percent” of instances nationally,
Oregon has held postal elections since 2000 and has only reported 14 fraudulent votes attempted by mail.
So although voter registration databases not being up to date is an issue, abuse of this and voter fraud has not been been “a problem for years”
@1 @Health Both of you and so many people on here seem convinced it’ll be subject to mass electoral fraud, all because Trump said so.
Mail-in voting has had bi-partisan support for some time now, and works in just about every other first world country, No, it is not ripe for abuse. It works fine in Colorado where verification checks are in place to prevent voter fraud. Ballot papers are also kept for 2 years evidence does arise of voter fraud and a recount necessary.
And yes, there may be the odd case of someone passing the verification checks and vote on behalf of a deceased relative. But this isn’t a practical way for any party to garner additional, fraudulent votes on a large scale. Nor would anybody in their right mind think it worth the risk, with the upside being their favored party receives just one additional vote, but the downside being if caught, can be fined $10,000 and a sentence of up to 5 years in jail.
Colorado for example has had just 9 instances of voter fraud since adopting mail-in voting in 2013.
The upside of mail-in voting is it’ll give fairer access to millions to their constitutional right to vote. It’ll also likely make vote counting easier, as counting will not all need to be done the evening of the election.
So please stop peddling this nonsense. Trump is only peddling it to preemptively de-legitimizing the election if he loses.
@SyagLchochma
First you say:
“Not so. In the begining it was stated very clearly thst we cannot prevent exposure and deaths, ”
But cannot source that.You also say
“the plan was to slow it down to keep the system from getting overwhelmed and buy time for more knowledge on how to treat it.”
But also… “Nobody was stupid enough to claim we were holding off til a vaccine or cure. ”Which one is it?
@ProudRepublican
Why are you so sure another leader would have done a worse job managing the pandemic?And just because the past was Hashem’s will does not mean those involved should not be held accountable for their actions.
@SyagLechochma
When were we ever actually told 2% of the population would die? Can you point me in the direction of a credible source for that?Given these comments were made in reference to Trump’s actions, Trump actually claimed until mid-March were that it’s a couple of cases and will all go away soon.
After which, his administration soon adopted the projections of the IHME. Whose models were at the time suggesting a death rate of 60,000.A few facts about vote by mail:
• Americans have used vote by mail/absentee voting since the Civil War
• In 2016, 25% of voters voted by mail
• Vote by mail does not favor one party over another
• Colorado uses universal vote by mail and is considered to have the most secure elections in the country.
• Mail-in ballots have bar codes to prevent duplicates, and every ballot requires a signature that is checked in a database to prevent fraud.
• To receive a ballot, you must be a registered voter.
• Mail-in voting creates a paper trail that can then be audited after the election.
Vote by mail is secure. Trump is lying when he says it isn’t. Even the RNC is mass mailing their supporters absentee ballot request forms.
@Proud Republican
Contrary to your misinformed beliefs, voter fraud is not rampant in the UK.
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585 cases were investigated by the police. Of these, two led to a conviction and an individual was given a police caution.
@SyagLchochma
As you say, flattening the curve was to slow the spread until a cure or vaccine is found. So exposure and deaths are certainly preventable. The flatter the curve, the less deaths by the time a cure or vaccine is found.
But regardless, @interjection’s point doesn’t stand. Because the Trump administration has not done an incredible job of handling COVID and “only” 170,000 are dead rather than 2% of the population. As every single country in the world seem to somehow be fairing better.
@interjecrion
2% mortality rate of COVID cases. Not 2% of the population. So the more transmission of the virus was suppressed, via lockdowns, social distancing measures etc, the less deaths.South Korea for example had their first case the same day as the US. Jan 20th. And by mid Feb had more case then the US
Yet by swiftly implementing measures, only had 306 deaths out of a population of 51 million.
The 170,000 is testament to a terrible handling of the pandemic.
@1
What’s the contradiction?
The Democrat’s position is voting should be universally accessible. So mail in votes should be available for people that cannot make it to polling stations, and voting without ID should be allowed for people that don’t have a state ID (other means of verification like SS card would still be used)Both mail in votes and voting without ID are the norm in many first world countries (the UK for example). None of which seem to have a problem with fraudulent voting.
@ProudRepublican
Don’t assume my preferred sources of media information. Nor my political loyalties. I also did not ever mention anything about Biden. You seem to assume quite a lot.I simply question your undying support of Trump, the man responsible leading the country for 4 years, a country so obviously worse off than it was 4 years ago.
@ProudRepublican
Trump 2016: Things are bad, vote for me and I can fix them.
Trump 2020: Things are even worse, vote for me or they’ll get much worse.@SyagLchochma
How very funny. Please stop. My sides are splitting.I’ve yet to see you make a verifiable point to counter anything @charliehall has said though.
@ProudRepublican
Calling someone a liberal is hardly a counter-argument.@ProudRepublican
There are 35,000 new cases and 490 deaths today alone in the USA, and you say the pandemic is over?So your saying because everything happens because Hashem wanted it to, nobody should ever be held accountable. Right
@Particpant
Because a government exists to serve and protect its citizens.
Yes they may not tell you to bundle up in the cold, but they sure do implement curfews in inclement weather.The DMV, OSHA, FDA and many others government departments exist to protect the country’s citizens. People cannot be expected to be informed and make sound decision on matters outside of their expertise. And it’s the government typically inform them.
Trump’s government though was in complete denial and actively suppressed preparation for a pandemic. Whilst during February, other countries were implementing lockdowns, competent testing regimes and encouraging mask wearing, Trump was waffling on about how well he understands this medical stuff and how the virus will go away like a miracle.
But the truth is your entire comment is a none starter. Millions of people didn’t have a choice to simply stay home and wear a mask (you know, the masks Trump for months discouraged). What were people in nursing homes supposed to do? People that had no healthcare and sithout any stimulus, simply could not afford to stay home. There was so much that could have been done. So much that other countries did do, yet Trump failed to, and now America is “Great” again, albeit in its number of COVID cases.
@ProudRepublican
This discussion isn’t about minyanim, voting, daas Torah or what a “liberal” would have done.It’s about Trump, and whether his actions or lack thereof, are responsible for 160,000 dead and counting.
Trump’s own words from January 22 until March 13 when he finally called it a national emergency.
January 22: “We have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China. It’s going to be just fine.”
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “CDC and my Administration are doing a GREAT job of handling Coronavirus.”
February 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? They’re politicizing it…they have no clue…they dont have any clue…this is their new hoax.”
February 28: “We’re ordering a lot of supplies. We’re ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn’t be ordering unless it was something like this. But we’re ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
March 2: “A lot of things are happening, a lot of very exciting things are happening and they’re happening very rapidly.”
March 4: “If we have thousands or hundreds of thousands of people that get better just by, you know, sitting around and even going to work — some of them go to work, but they get better.”
March 5: “I NEVER said people that are feeling sick should go to work.”
March 5: “The United States… has, as of now, only 129 cases… and 11 deaths. We are working very hard to keep these numbers as low as possible!”
March 6: “I think we’re doing a really good job in this country at keeping it down… a tremendous job at keeping it down.”
March 6: “Anybody right now, and yesterday, anybody that needs a test gets a test. They’re there. And the tests are beautiful…. the tests are all perfect like the letter was perfect. The transcription was perfect. Right? This was not as perfect as that but pretty good.”
March 6: “I like this stuff. I really get it. People are surprised that I understand it… Every one of these doctors said, ‘How do you know so much about this?’ Maybe I have a natural ability. Maybe I should have done that instead of running for president.”
March 6: “I don’t need to have the numbers double because of one ship that wasn’t our fault.”
March 8: “We have a perfectly coordinated and fine tuned plan at the White House for our attack on CoronaVirus.”
March 9: ““The Fake News Media and their partner, the Democrat Party, is doing everything within its semi-considerable power (it used to be greater!) to inflame the CoronaVirus situation, far beyond what the facts would warrant,”
March 10: “It will go away. Just stay calm. It will go away.”
March 13: National Emergency Declaration
March 13: “I don’t take responsibility at all”
And people like @participant are just unable to admit this lack of foresight and reluctance of Trump to act lest it spook the stock market, is the reason there are 160,000+ dead.
@akuperma The internet may be a replacement for some mail but far from all.
I’d hardly be able to get my meds sent to me monthly via the internet.
And unfortunately the US is so far from making internet a universal entitlement, quite the contrary. Its far more expensive that much of Europe and Asia.
The USPS predates the constitution itself and was in later years was expressly granted a monopoly in order to provide for universal access to postal services for all citizens. So even if a a route is running at a loss, the postal service will provide for it’s services at a loss.
This service is a service as such. To say it is running at a loss and it needs to be privatized is like saying the armed forces run at a loss…
Trump’s appointee of US Postmaster Loius DeJoy is (unsurprisingly) a Republican Party donor and (again, unsurprisingly) a shareholder with $70 million of shares in companies that directly compete with the USPS.
Companies like UPS and XPO Logistics. It is within his interest for the USPS to fail.
And within Trump’s interest for people not to be able to mail in their votes.
Bonus question:
If Trump recommends playing Russian Roulette, and says it is safe, would you play?@akumperma
1- The same scientists that you believe when they say cholera isn’t transmitted via airborne particles, are telling you COVID-19 is.
2- What we can learn from cholera is rabbanim follow the advice of science and the information we do have, even though it may be wrong.What would have been so bad about letting Brooks get away that it was preferable to shoot him?
So what you are saying is Hashem created a person, gave them the choice of doing something, did not tell them making said choice would be wrong, and now despises them for making that choice?
Sorry mate but that hardly seems a fair and just God.
He probably just despises it being done by people whom have been told not to do these things. Much like a tinok shenishba.
Barber school- 1400 hours of training
Police academy in the US- 840 hours of trainingPolice in the UK- 2000 hours of training
Unfortunately he’s too busy breaking up peaceful protests with rubber bullets for photo ops.
January 21st:
USA- 1st confirmed case, 3.6% unemployed
South Korea- 1st confirmed case, 4% unemployedMarch 3rd:
USA- 9 deaths, 4.4% unemployed
South Korea- 28 deaths, 3.8% unemployedMay 11th:
USA- 81,285 deaths, 14.7% unemployed
South Korea- 256 deaths, 4% unemployedWhilst South Korea dealt with the virus with testing, tracking and early introduction of social distancing measures, Trump was too concerned about spooking the stock market and touting unproven treatments and non existent vaccines.
Those deaths were avoidable.
Pompeo talks of enormous evidence the virus originated in a lab, but so far has provided for none.
Meanwhile, there are countless studies that conclude otherwise. For example See https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-020-0820-9
@ayaZogger
Your points 1-3: its debatable what “point of no return” is. And at what point is the loss of lives is preferable over the potential economic fallout.I find it difficult to believe anyone is truly qualified to make that decision.
As for points 4-8, reopening the country prematurely will likely leave the country in an even worse state. If numbers rise sharply again, lockdown will have to be implemented to curspread of the virus.
@milhouse
Oh and as for your big light, that kills viruses is UVc light. Sometimes used to disinfect. It works by damaging the virus’s DNA to stop it replicating.Treating a person with such light would cause massive cell damage, resulting in cancers.
You’d be better off trying to kill the virus with a sledgehammer. The patient wouldn’t suffer quite as much.
@Milhouse
To call needless 58,000 deaths light is abhorrent. 58,000 family’s in mourning, that did not have to be. Much like this disease. Would you be saying the same if it was your loved one?The current death rate may be comparable to a flu season but has happened in a matter of weeks rather than an entire flu season. And this is with lockdown measures in place.
To rely on immunity is preposterous. There is no proven immunity as of yet. There’s no proof it cannot be caught twice.
Lockdown measures absolutely have worked. The earlier they were implemented, the more effective they were. Much like Israel, Taiwan, Vietnam and Mongolia. Unlike the US, which had Trump completely silent on the matter throughout February, for fear of spooking the stock market.
I you want to get political, here is what the Great Leader said on the matter through February:
February 2: “We pretty much shut it down coming in from China.”
February 24: “The Coronavirus is very much under control in the USA… Stock Market starting to look very good to me!”
February 25: “I think that’s a problem that’s going to go away… They have studied it. They know very much. In fact, we’re very close to a vaccine.”
February 26: “The 15 (cases in the US) within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero.”
February 26: “We’re going very substantially down, not up.”
February 27: “One day it’s like a miracle, it will disappear.”
February 28: “Now the democrats are politicizing the coronavirus, you know that right? They’re politicizing it…they have no clue…they dont have any clue…this is their new hoax.”
February 28: “We’re ordering a lot of supplies. We’re ordering a lot of, uh, elements that frankly we wouldn’t be ordering unless it was something like this. But we’re ordering a lot of different elements of medical.”
March 2: “You take a solid flu vaccine, you don’t think that could have an impact, or much of an impact, on corona?”
And if you’re going to defend Trump’s medical knowledge, here are some of his tweets that are somewhat relevant:
03/28/14-
Healthy young child goes to doctor, gets pumped with massive shot of many vaccines, doesn’t feel good and changes – AUTISM. Many such cases!04/13/12-
Many many people are thanking me for what I said about @autism & vaccinations. Something must be done immediately.10/22/12
Autism rates through the roof–why doesn’t the Obama administration do something about doctor-inflicted autism. We lose nothing to try.09/04/14
“@OnlineOnTheAir: My friend’s son, immediate #autism after #vaccines 10 yrs ago. So sad. Keep up good work Nay-sayers will understand soon
Israel can re-open because the lockdown measures have worked so well. It slowed the spread of the virus, and with the use of the intelligence services to track and trace further spread, the country can re-open and any hotspots lockdown as and when necessary.
The US on the other hand has little to no control over the spread at the moment, no reliable testing already overwhelmed hospitals. To suggest lifting lockdown measures and allow the virus to run rampant once again is laughable
@MosheFromMidwood My comparison to Vietnam is the Vietnam War is a major event and dark stain in US history with countless unnecessary deaths. With a casualty count that is pretty similar to the US COVID-19 death rate.
Yet people are flippantly suggesting we go back to normal, due to the pressures of “mental health cost and missed education” at risk of another Vietnam War sized casualty count.Special care to protect the most vulnerable is already in practice yet doesn’t entirely help. Nursing homes need medical staff to come and go, staff have families and homes of their own and many of these people are receiving treatments etc outside of these homes.
As of today there have been 56,820 reported deaths in the US, of COVID-19. To put that into perspective, there were 58,220 US casualties in the entire Vietnam War.
It’s a pretty huge number, which would be growing exponentially if not for the lockdown measures in place right now.To lift these measures prematurely, even with social distancing will only cause the virus to propagate once again. Necessitating another lockdown, likely for an even longer period of time in order to stem the spread.
To argue that the economic impact is not worth the lives saved, is to put a price on life itself.
The sort of person to argue otherwise is will also tell you the whole thing will go away “like a miracle”, to inject disinfectant, put a light inside patients and that a big flu shot should help.
As for children, in the UK they are now reporting an uptick of what is a seemlingly COVID-related inflammatory syndrome with children.
The Republican is all for calling abortion murder, but as soon as that child is born, offers no help to assist in it’s upbringing.
You not what may actually reduce abortions? Better welfare.
It’s the people with the least access to birth control and education that need these abortions the most.
But no, SNAP, healthcare, rent assistance is cut every year in the budget and people wonder why women don’t want to carry their children to term.
Republicans, so quick to take the moral high ground, “morals” often guided by religious influence and are all too quick to call abortion murder. But suggesting welfare to help these mothers raise their children? Suddenly morals and religion’s guidance on charity all goes out of the window.
It’s not like these programs are all that expensive either. In 2017, the average taxpayer paid $91.29 of taxes towards SNAP (formerly Food Stamps)
And $3,044.79 of taxes towards funding the military.
Those numbers look pretty immoral to me.
Trump. The “very stable genius l” who once gave this speech:
“Look, having nuclear—my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, OK, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart—you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, OK, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I’m one of the smartest people anywhere in the world—it’s true!—but when you’re a conservative Republican they try—oh, do they do a number—that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune—you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged—but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me—it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what’s going to happen and he was right—who would have thought?), but when you look at what’s going on with the four prisoners—now it used to be three, now it’s four—but when it was three and even now, I would have said it’s all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don’t, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years—but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us”.
@Avi K
Ever wonder if these policies of his are politically motivated to buy your votes and curry favor with organisations like AIPAC?
Unfortunately, he seems to have a history of making politically motivated foreign policy decisions rather than motivated by national interests.In a similar vein, his presidential pardons show a pattern of political motivation. So whilst historically presidents would avoid pardoning their allies; (Bill Clinton’s pardon of Marc Rich, was a massive controversy), Trump has pardoned Conrad Black (Billionaire and author of a book called “Donald J. Trump: A president like no other.”) Dinesh D’Souza, Joe Arpaio, Patrick J. Nolan…
Just look at how many Yidden support Trump simply because he pardoned Rubashkin.
@Rightwriter
The term all natural is unregulated and meaningless. Typically used by marketing folk to mislead the gullible.Anthrax, botulism, asbestos, snake venom, tobacco and water hemlock are also all natural.
@Gamanit where are you pulling your statistics out of?
Uk Goverment did a study on the environmental impact of the production of various bags. The results of which concluded, based off emissions alone you’d need to a reuseable bag use these alternatives this many times to make it more environmentally friendly then a single use bag:
Paper Bags: 4 Times
Polypropylenes: 14 Times
Cotton: 173 TimesThis doesn’t take into account the waste impact of multiple bags vs single, reusable bags.
There is no need to trial it when bans on plastic bags have been implemented successfully all across Europe and people get by fine. Yes, it’s even been brought into law by governments that aren’t leftist (like the UK Conservative party) and no, people aren’t dying of all the germs apparently festering in these reusable bags.
I think many Jewish people refuse to make changes to help the environment because, (possibly subconsciously) we’re tuned to not worry about tomorrow because Moshiach is coming today.
Democrats: * begin depositions *
Republicans: WE NEED OPEN HEARINGS!
Democrats: Okay.
Republicans: * unanimously vote against open hearings *
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Democrats: * issue subpoenas for documents and witnesses *
White House: * refuses everything *
Republicans: There’s no evidence!
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Democrats: * begin open hearings *
Republicans: It’s all hearsay!
Witnesses: I heard it straight from the President’s mouth.
Republicans: Ukraine hacked our election!
Witnesses: That’s a pro-Russia narrative that holds no weight in truth.
Republicans: CHALUPA!
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Republicans: Trump isn’t being given a chance to defend himself.
Nadler: Now is your time. Come present your case.
Trump: Ha ha nope.
Republicans: Trump still isn’t being given a chance to defend himself.
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The Do Nothing Democrats…
a) Source for this?
b) No idea what you’re argument is here. You have two healthcare systems, one a majority of users are happy with and another most aren’t. Why would anybody champion the latter? And I’ve no idea how you manage to bring Torah into this, these are contrasting healthcare structures, not ethics.
c) I wouldn’t say vastly more limited. And if we’re to bring anecdotal evidence into this argument, I too have some firsthand experience. A friend from the UK suffered a rare condition, and the NHS paid to put her up abroad for a couple of months and receive neutron therapy.
d) These countries may be small, but they also eat a lot of meatballs. How size (or meatball consumption) makes any difference to why their economic model wouldn’t work in the US is something you haven’t explained.
e) If they’re failing, it’s only because they aren’t broad enough. Welfare eligibility rules are designed to encourage independence have achieved the opposite effect. For example, many states impose strict work requirements, states which loosen these rules actually see recipients move to higher wage, higher benefit work, presumably because they have the breathing room to search for a good job rather than take the first one that comes along.@Anonymous Jew
How is ensuring the aid money is spent on aid, not Trumps vanity project (The Wall) politicizing the bill?And the Democrats were right to insist on those measures. Considering a month after the bill was passed Trump diverted $3.6 Billion of military housing funds to pay for border wall. That is 127 projects the president canceled would have improved the quality of life at work or home for military service members and their families.
@anonymous Jew
You’ve mis-represented the facts.The Democrats delayed voting on the $4.5 Billion of aid until the bill included several strict rules setting out that the funds can be used for humanitarian aid only, and “not for immigration raids, not detention beds, not a border wall”, (House appropriations committee chair Nita Lowey)
@Ben L
Ugh your NHS comment is bothering me too much.
You’ll never find a Brit that says they’d prefer the American system. Because for every person you do find that is waiting for dialysis, you’ll find a million not concerned about how to pay for their insulin or epipen, going to the emergency room just in case without the worry of a huge bill, wondering how they’re to afford having a baby or stuck with a bill because their doctor is no longer covered by their insurers.
The american health system is a failure, don’t even bother defending it.