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“Be Proud that you’re a Jew” I don’t know where it’s from though
Anyone remember where “Together, together” is originally from?
Don’t you know your never alone…Wherever you go H-shem goes with you. – Avraham Fried. Forgot what it’s called but the “…” is “it doesn’t matter who you are. There’s nothing in his eyes more precious than you.” (Maybe it’s called You’re never Alone?)
stop the desecration no more violation
preserve the city’s sanctity – “Shabbos Yerushalayim” – MBC
as countless names are called out, desperately by family, will it ever end? – “Smile Again” – Mendy Wald?
so right – Your post that mentions me is a perfect example of why I usually just read things I didagree wwith and don’t respond. Here, I wanted to give an opinion from a current Yeshivish girl saying there is no problem with the boy opening the car door, and you just went and twisted my words.
The boys who opened the door for me on dates were no less Yeshivish than those that didn’t, and were often more Yeshivish (my husband for instance is more yeshivish than a lot of other boys I dated and as I said – he did open the car door for me. Now he opens taxi car doors for me…)
The ones who did not open the door were not really doing it because their Rosh Yeshiva sais not to but rather because their friends told him its not the done thing. It’s a similar equation with whether girls should wear seatbelts on dates (v’hameivin yavin).
bjjkid – as a girl no longer in shidduchim but who was for a while and is now married to a Brisker – I wouldn’t have said no for a boy opening the door or I wouldn’t be married now 🙂
Many yeshivish boys do open the door, many yeshivish boys don’t. Some are told specifically to, some are told specifically not.
So I also wouldn’t have said no if a boy didn’t the door because chances are he’s just following what he was told, and not being impolite.
(and yes I have friends from BJJ too, and they felt/feel the same way)
monseygirl
Yes – Hadar has uniform – It’s blue shirts (I think light blue but I’m not sure – when I was there we just had to wear any button-down) and blue pleated skirts. Many girls wore black and “got away with it”. I remember hearing the rumors before I was applying but I knew a few girls older than me that I really admired and figured I don’t mind turning out like them if that’s what a Rebetzin is. Also – while I was waiting for my interview and looking around at the other girls I got reassured that it wouldn’t be suppppper yeshivish. I was thinking – I can’t imagine all these girls coming out next year like Rebetzins…
I don’t know about not going to relatives on Shabbos. You aren’t allowed to go to certain areas because of security reasons and I think you can get permission if you are going to family.
I remember waiting the whole year for Mrs. Orenstien to say something really controversial in Hashkafa so I’d understand where all the rumors came from at least. We asked the madricha and she said – oh just wait till she talks about tznius.
I asked why – does she say to “close your top button” or you have to wear long sleeves and not 3/4s or something?
She said – no she just tells you what needs to be covered and how it’s not just about clothing and inches. Now, I’d been hearing the same thing throughout school – especially high school so I didn’t find anything new – I think the madricha came from a school that never mentioned tznius, so I didn’t see where she was being controversial…
It’s a big school so we did feel sometimes like there were 2 Hadars and you couldn’t manage to know everyone but I personally am the type that even if I wasn’t friends with everyone – I could shmooze with anyone and now if I meet anyone from my year I really feel a connection. With staff – if you want to be I think you can get close to some of them (not all) but I was not the type to so I can’t tell you for sure.
iluvhashem –
truthfully I didn’t go to seminary for the hashkafa – I had all my hashkafos down pat from high school. I didn’t go to learn Navi either. I went mostly for a year in Eretz Yisrael together with like-minded girls. But did I learn new things in the hashkafa class – based on my high school experience if you listened in high school you really weren’t hearing anything new. But then its the norm to think the high schools don’t answer questions and are scared of discussions about hashkafa. I felt differently.
I personally loved the Navi & “Gemara” classes but that could be because I love learning and reading meforshim – I almost decided to go to BJJ…
I can’t imagine by the way what reason there could be for more Hashkafah classes – did you think there was many more times she could’ve said “Torah is the be all and end all?” 🙂
monseygirl –
The classes are different from what you’re used to (as are all seminary classes) it’s a different style from high school. I enjoyed the classes and also the prep becuse I like looking into the meforshim and figuring them out. They aren’t intense but if you are the type that drives yourself nuts before a test – you can stress yourself out. Most girls study a little bit before each test at least and it’s nothing to BJJ pressure-wise. There are many classes in Iyun/Meforshim as well as once a week Hashkafah class. I don’t know which school you are in but if you’re coming from BYM you should find them easy without being too easy. Don’t worry about being more Yeshivish than your family. I am as well and it took going to Hadar to realize how many values and Hashkafos I had learned from home – it really taught me to appreciate my parents even though they may not look like the “typical” Hadar parents or so I thought. Mrs. Orenstein will look at you for you, and not care about how yeshivish your parents are.
Most of the girls my year came with pretty strong /hashkafos, they were Tzniusdik without being nebby, and knew they wanted their husbands to be learning. When I visit Hadar these days – it looks like pretty much the same crowd.
If you have any more questions I’d be glad to answer.
I tried to answer everything you mentioned but I’m not sure I got everything because unlike the Chacham I didn’t do “al rishon rishon v’al achron achron”… I hope it’s clear 🙂
I loved it when someone would say “In Hadar Mrs. O says such & such” and I would say “Actually I heard that was Rebbetzin David”
bymeidel – as I said ppl. seem to think the girls in Hadar are “ultra Yeshivish”. While I agree that it’s a Yeshivish seminary I know many of my friends from families just as Yeshivish went to Bnos Sara and Bnos Chava which are the two schools you are asking about. Therefore I was just pointing out that Hadar is Yeshivish but not “very very” as I think Smile E. Face called it.
I’ve been reading the CR for a while and wanted to register every time someone mentioned “how ultra Yeshivishe” Hadar is to put the record straight. As iluvhashem said – it’s a mix of girls and there has always been many many “normal” girls there. I’ve been out of Hadar a while and don’t think it actually changed all that much except that some of the more Yeshivish have left to the newer seminaries. A girl from Hadar usually has her head on straight and is a BY girl that isn’t just frum ‘because’ but because she puts thought into what she does.
That being said – most Hadar girls do want long-term learners or at least short-term but not because they were brainwashed in Hadar. Rather most of the girls come in with that value from their families and high schools.
I was actually thinking Hadar would be a great place for monseygirl because Hadar girls are known for being full of personality and real ‘tochen’ as my husband puts it.
I also live in Eretz Yisrael now so I’ve seen the recent Hadarlings and they seem like great girls and also a lot of fun. 🙂