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poppa, zeiur gut gezokt, teire yingele
haleivi, your first post was very cute, your second needs some work.
sam2, perhaps neither can be considered a shliach, one needs to be holding the get to be believed as a shliach, and both of their strongholds are questionable and incomplete, perhaps similar to shnayim adukin bshtar. So, actually, neither are bchezkas shliach, to assume that their bfan”n is that of a shliach. One needs to be a shliach to have that neemanus. Kein nireh.
I think it is a good get because each are b’chezkas eid kasher, therefore, regardless of their being a shliach they are believed as two eidim (unless of course they are krovim or nashim). I don’t think the sugya of shtei kitei eidim is applicable.
veltz, how about “he would often engage in tikun hanitzotzis shebmaachal, specifically gefilte fish”.
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Just to add something I once heard from one of my rebbeim. It is completely unfair to compare bachurim, and even young kollel men to 60 year olds in regards to tfilla btzibur. While, yes, ideally someone who spends their whole day learning should obviously be davening btzibur, a young man often has not yet learned enough discipline in his life to do something consistently. After having a couple kids who wake up at 7 and need to be fed, taken to school etc.. a father will naturally become more scheduled out of necessity. Therefore I wouldn’t be overly concerned.
i think something very relevant which has not been mentioned, and especially missing from pfs arguments are the following. PF ridiculously suggests that being that Joe Hershkowitz and Steve Cohen are different in their talent levels, we can assume that Rashi and Rabbeinu Tam were as well, and from that natural difference stemmed all their further differences, whether in writing style, brevity, or actual psak.
Let me ask you this: would you say the same thing about Ravina and Rav Ashi? Beis Hillel and Beis Shammai? I hope not.
Why indeed not? Because we believe that just as tora shebiksav is m’sinai, so too tora shebaal pen is misinai, meaning yes, both shitas bees shammai and bees hillel are misinai. Therefore, there is no contradiction to the fact that bzman hazeh we follow b”h, and l’osid lavo we will follow b”s. Shivim panim ltorah, each are different expressions of the tora and of ratzon hashem, bzman hazeh we are in a world most befitting the interpretation of b”h leosid lavo, the world will be on a level compatible with the explanation of b”s. Both are absolute and correct.
What about the rishonim. The chida (and Ibelieve R”C volozhiner as well) are both quoted as saying that there is no way the Rambam intended all the things that were explained by the mefarshim in Yad. But they are nevertheless valid. Why? Because the words of the rishonim were (wait for it) written by ruach hakodesh. Hashem himself orchestrated these words to be written and studied for generations. The Rambam was so oseik in torah up to the point that the rambam himself became wholly connected to the torah, and the words that he wrote were the words of torah themselves.
This is not to say that anyone who lived in the 1200s is automatically of status. But I’m pretty sure rashi, rabbeinu tam, ramban , and the rishonim who comprise what has klal yisrael has studied for generations are included. We do not study Ramban’s interpretation of the Torah, we study the torah OF the ram ban.
I am afraid your viewpoint, pulsating flower, comes from your John q jew comparison. The rishonim (and for that matter all gedolim) were not john q, just better. They were representatives and mouthpieces of Hashem himself.
charlie hall, not sure why you assumed by sefardi leadership I meant sefardi politicians. Rav Shalom Cohen, probably the representative of sefardi Roshei Yeshivah today, echoed my exact sentiments at a meeting prior to the march r”c adar.
Back in Varshaw where I come from, ve vould eat a meal by the vealthy R Heshel Varshaver every Motaei Shabbos. ve vould call it Hesh teg. Are you perhaps an einekel? Can you direct me to any other frum descendants?
akuperma-good post.
A couple points: The charedi conscription issue is viewed by many as simply monetary i.e. how severely will they fine and how many benefits will they take away, but not viewed in the context of will charedim actually go to the army. With Ashkenazi Israelis this is probably the case for the most part.
The Sefardi leadership is genuinely scared though. Many of their bachurim come from traditional, irreligious homes. The fear is that while they already suffer lack of support from their families, if you add to that the pressure of the state and the monetary losses, these boys might feel that they have no choice but to enlist. Speak to the sefardi rabbanim in Israel. They see this as an existential threat.
Unfortunately, if the above scenario plays out c”v, the government will have done quite a job.
As heard from a friend. Rav Malkiel saw someone on a smart phone during davening and was very perturbed. Someone suggested that maybe he was davening from it. Rav Malkiel reponded “no, he would have just scrolled to the bottom and press send.”