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popa_bar_abbaParticipant
popa: Let me rework that: Domestic violence rates (and divorce rates to a slightly lesser extent) can provide a fairly good *comparative* guide to which communities have better successful marriage rates.
Disagree.
Two communities with equal marriage success could have wildly variable rates of divorce depending on how much the society looks down on divorce, and could have wildly different rates of domestic violence depending on how violent the cultures are.
It’s like if you’d try to prove that catholics have happier marriages because they have less divorce. They aren’t even allowed to divorce. (You weren’t actually talking about catholics, were you?)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIt’s not just that, you’re styles are just so similar.
Because it’s my wife.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantA happy marriage is where you eat the last piece of cake because you know she’d want you to have it.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think divorce rates in fact are a good indicator of a communities rate of successful marriages. Another good indication is the domestic violence conviction rate reflected in the local court records or police blotter.
I don’t.
Both of those things have many other factors also involved. Probably you can say a marriage that ended in divorce was unsuccessful, but you can’t really get any more data than that out of it.
And probably we can imagine domestic abuse is not compatible with a successful marriage. But if you think it is a natural corollary of an unhappy marriage, that is very concerning.
October 5, 2014 1:04 pm at 1:04 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061288popa_bar_abbaParticipantDepends on the type of sickness and how sick you are and the type of medicine.
The chofetz chaim was a fan of slabodka.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDoing as many aveiros as possible in order to maximize the value.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhat if you’re in the same room as someone who was hypnotized to plant wheat every time someone says “bread”. Can you say hamotzi in his presence?
popa_bar_abbaParticipant99% pure
In your quote PBA the ahavas zion is directed to Hashem! But I’m sure you know that already!
I actually DON’T know that. I suspect it might be the case, but the tefilla reads fine according to either interpretation. And even a third: maybe we’re asking Hashem to remember tzion’s love of Him.
But even according to your reading, presumably if Hashem loves tzion it is to show us that that is the proper way to feel. Hashem doesn’t actually have emotion. He expresses Himself in human terms in ways that show us how we are supposed to live. Mah hu rachum, af attah rachum. Mah hu oheiv tzion, af attah ehov tzion.
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October 5, 2014 1:52 am at 1:52 am in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061286popa_bar_abbaParticipant?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??????
That’s ok. I’ve never heard of a yeshiva that does it more than half hour a day.
October 5, 2014 1:01 am at 1:01 am in reply to: Forgetting to close the fridge light before Shabbos #1039261popa_bar_abbaParticipantEven if you hold that opening the fridge is assur, lichora there is a loophole. If you ask someone else to open the fridge and he doesn’t know that there is a light that will go on, he is misasek.
This happened to me a few weeks ago, and I had that same theory, and I asked my rav. He disagreed. He said it was not misasek. Misasek, he said, is when you don’t know you are doing something. Unlike here where my sister in law would have known she was opening the fridge.
I didn’t really understand what he was saying though. Seemed to me that my sister in law would not know she was turning on the light.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI thought this would be a discussion of the shabbos app that I invented.
It automatically turns off the screen, and the typing, and browser, and email, and twitter, for shabbos.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAnd to eat creep-lach
October 3, 2014 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061281popa_bar_abbaParticipantYah, I’m pretty sure kovno and kelm won that battle already.
October 3, 2014 6:11 pm at 6:11 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061279popa_bar_abbaParticipantNo, def you are the only one who actually learns mussar (mussar seder).
popa_bar_abbaParticipantlol great usage.
Everyone, yevamos starts next monday. J’challenge.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAre you really skeptical that we are experiencing a high rate of population growth? I think even popa accepts that, FWIW
I don’t.
I accept that most yeshivish couples have more than 2 children. But that doesn’t necessarily prove that there are more babies this year than last year. Because some people become non-yeshivish, or become chasidish, or go to jail for running MLM’s and other scams, and some people don’t have any kids r”l, and some people don’t get married r”l.
You want to change the world? Do a study.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBut the number of students in grade 5 in 2005 should equal the number of students in grade 2 in the 2002 study. It does not equal. Not for any grade in the study. Enough said.
October 2, 2014 7:27 pm at 7:27 pm in reply to: If you think the R word is offensive you are retarded #1199761popa_bar_abbaParticipantGood bump!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantwhat’s farkoift?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI don’t get that math.
Year 0: 10,000 babies.
Year 1: 10,250 babies.
Year 2: 10,506 babies.
Year 3: 10,768 babies.
7.68%
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI knew you’d put the shidduch crisis ahead of torah, again.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m pretty sure we don’t have a 12% population growth every three years.
I thought you were suggesting you could prove population growth by measuring enrollment in Lakewood schools. I was pointing out that people also move to and from Lakewood. The city.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIm sure we don’t have 12 percent annual population growth.
And I meant movement from outside lakewood into lakewood and the opposite.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantmoney
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Hakatan, I think you are mistaken here.
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantThat depends what info you’re looking for. If you’re looking for alternate side suspensions, you’re right. If you’re looking for population growth info, it’s pretty good.
Disagree. You’re ignoring population movement.
It definitely doesn’t get at boys vs girls.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIn think the question is – why haven’t the yeshivos switched over to an Israeli/European yeshiva model where the boys start shidduchim earlier since this will solve the problem.
What problem? How do you know there is a problem?
Why will that solve it? How do you know?
Don’t you see: there are no facts, no data, nothing.
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantAgreed.
J’challenge DY to join for nashim nezikin.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHow about take one quick look at how many new schools/classes open every year in Lakewood, and realize that you have your answer right there.
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That gives very minimal info.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhy no study? 1) Nobody who is willing to pay thinks it’s necessary
This is the old mantra. A million dollars for solutions but not one cent for figuring out the problem. I think that’s how the saying goes?
2) Too hard to get a precise number, especially since it’s hard to precisely define what is the yeshivish community that this affects.
Did they try? Did they hire consultants to figure it out? Did they try for a second best solution? How about pick 30 yeshivish boys schools and 30 yeshivish girls schools from the elementary school classes graduating in the 90’s and track them? That wouldn’t control for unequal numbers coming in, but would get us some info at least.
How about take every high school in lakewood from the 90’s? That would get us somewhere.
We don’t have a shred of evidence. Even a box of spaghetti has more info relevant to shidduch crisis than 500 weeks of NASI ads in the yated.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIn it, he agrees to age gap theory. So, if he says that the roshei yeshiva understand the issues, he means that they agree to age gap.
Please. The two choices are that I agree to your interpretation of what he said the roshei yeshiva agreed to based on what he holds in the rest of the article, or that I’m accusing him of lying?
The roshei yeshiva agreed that it is hard for girls to find guys they want to date who are willing to date them. I also agree. Nobody could possibly disagree.
popa_bar_abbaParticipant“Do schools educate their students on what a true marriage is all about?”
I hope so.
I don’t hope so. I don’t think there should be a school curriculum on what marriage is.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantEvery one of them clearly understands the issues
That’s what I said. He is telling us that the roshei yeshiva clearly understand the issues and told him that it is naarishkeiten until someone brings forward some real data.
Frankly, this is getting funny already. For 10 years they’ve been shrieking about this. If they haven’t managed to bring forward their data yet, you can bet that it doesn’t show what they want it to show.
I’m calling garbage on them.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think the roshei yeshiva probably told him something along the lines of what I wrote in the OP: first go figure out what the problem is, and then we can work on a solution.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantcinderalla: I think the answer to that is highly clear from the first post. I tried to post it even more clearly, but apparently that was too much for the mods.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI googled and found a thread on YWN.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPopa, yes, sometimes different approaches for different roles. Has a rosh yeshiva ever given you advice for yourself which is different than the overall approach in yeshiva? It’s happened to me, and I know of incidents with others as well.
That is not the same.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantMaybe GAW’s question answers mine. As leaders of klal yisroel they say the boys should date younger so they sign the kol koreis, but as roshei yeshiva they say they shouldn’t so they don’t tell the guys to.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhat exactly is the need for/purpose of “ahavat Eretz Yisrael” that you tout it as a benefit of seminary?
Moshe Rabeinu sure seemed to be into it.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m pretty sure everyone on this thread is an apikores, even without reading it.
September 29, 2014 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: Things people in the CR find offensive #1038551popa_bar_abbaParticipantI don’t believe anyone is an older single before they are 30.
If you aren’t old enough to learn kaballah*, you aren’t old enough to complain about who was called out 40 days before you were born.
*Popa is clearly not old enough to learn kaballah or nigleh, v’duk.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantGAW: If that is the case, then I am going with my rosh yeshiva, TYVM
September 29, 2014 6:42 pm at 6:42 pm in reply to: who knows what "HIPPA" stands for ? (no googling it before) #1033439popa_bar_abbaParticipantLol. What you mean is that you weren’t aware that there is a HIPPA also.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI eat hot peppers and I say “ahhh ahhha haahh cough cough”
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHe adds the opinion of someone who has made a lot of money being correct. People tend to take his opinion more seriously.
September 28, 2014 9:00 pm at 9:00 pm in reply to: who knows what "HIPPA" stands for ? (no googling it before) #1033435popa_bar_abbaParticipantHealth information privacy protection act I think. Or maybe patient protection.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI know way more American singles than English ones.
there are way more americans than british
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIt is more than a sevara, and the numbers are clear, even taking into account that there are more boys than girls born (which I grant is true). and that’s without the strong anecdotal evidence if more girls around than boys.
The numbers really aren’t clear, unless you assume that the “system” gains and loses at the same rates for boys and girls–which is very much not clear.
And the anecdotal evidence could have myriads of other reasons, as I and others have expounded on this forum.
Look, bima klop or aguda convention speech, the roshei yeshiva are not lining up behind him on this. I have heard from a reliable source of a certain rosh yeshiva who does support NASI but I’m not aware that he speaks publicly on it, or that he even speaks within his yeshiva on it, which just confuses me.
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