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PAA: Well to me megayeir hundreds of thousands of people who have no interest in yidishkeit en masse, would be passul for more basic reasons of there being no kabalas mitzvos.
If that’s where Lipman is going with this, he’s got even bigger issues than I thought.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI generally do not take Popa’s comments seriously
That’s ok. I generally take your comments seriously anyway. Even though see e.g. this thread.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantzdad: Of course you are correct, it was not the fault of the geirim. Which is why it is so important that we protect them from this, and stop all geirus immediately.
Well, I suppose we could still allow men to be megayeir.
And now we’ve even solved the shidduch crisis…
popa_bar_abbaParticipantoomis, I don’t agree. I think you have an authority problem
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI have even a better solution. End all geirus, like the Syrians do.
I know that we really are supposed to be mekabeil geirim when they come, but we see it has led to problems like what happened in D.C., and what happened in Monsey. In such a shaas had’chak, I think we can be meikil to stop being mekabeil geirim.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWell, that’s solved then. We now have the opinions of Lipman AND ROB that it is muttar.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantROB: It was in the Jerusalem Post 3 days ago. Unless you mean you can’t find an actual article written by him.
And we may not be able to dismiss a valid opinion. But we’re more able to than Lipman is to pasken based on it.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantwritersoul: I’m not sure I get your question. It quite practically is an ethnicity, and has in fact stayed so for 3000+ years.
Because there are relatively few converts.
The same way any other ethnicity occasionally absorbs outsiders but retains its identity.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOnly if the chosson hasn’t learned it yet.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIt means you pretty much act like MO, but you don’t hold of MO hashkafos like zionism and torah u’maddah etc. Some might say, no torah or maddah.
MO machmir means you pretty much act yeshivish, but you DO hold of MO hashkafos like zionism and torah umaddah, etc. They are known for the mitzva of hajj, the annual pilgrimage to the SOY sefarim sale.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAnyway, geirus policy is mili d’alma, so who cares what Rav Moshe said.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantSo I theorize it’s because they’re uncomfortable with the ethnic/racial element of Judaism. That is, that Judaism is an ethnicity, and holds that G-d chose that ethnicity above the other peoples of the world.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThanks, yes, that is what it says
popa_bar_abbaParticipantGentlemen, there are two teshuvos from rav moshe. DY, can you link the other which allowed a tevilah b’dieved where only one dayan was present?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHee hee. I looked up Katz’s bittul torah.
It starts:
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You see that? She has what to be someich on, he says.
What has this got to do with her? She doesn’t have any chiyuvim. She isn’t a giyores yet.
The beis din has chiyuvim! The question is whether the beis din has what to be someich on in allowing it!
We have chiyuvim! The question is if it is muttar to marry her!
(This is what happens when a daf yomi rabbi decides he’s a groisseh gaon.)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThat’s a decent limud zchus that he wasn’t lying. Thanks sam.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI should mention: you should also remember the Lusitania.
I meant the title to read as a question, but forgot the question mark
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantAs to the DC story – that is clearly 100% relevant. The individual in question was not only the “manager of the Mikva” – he was the lead Rav in a number of conversions. As such (and particularly given the publicity that story has received), the whole idea of a man or men watching the Tvila of a woman for Geirus makes a number of sincere want-to-be female converts more than a bit squeemish. If you can’t understand the relevance of that incident to addressing a woman’s feelings about Tevila, I’m sorry – it seems to me to be quite obvious.
1. It isn’t so relevant–he could have done the same thing regardless of if he was in the room for tevilah. It’s like trying to kill a fly with a hammer–not only is it overkill, but you probably won’t kill the fly either. The solution is better oversight.
2. They’re squeamish? So let them not convert if they don’t want to. The men are also squeamish about the bris and hatafas dam bris. What mitzva is there to make geirus more attractive?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBoy, what a liar this Lipman dude is.
The nerve of him.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantROB:
There is no problem with that. Rabbi Lipman wants to stop that practice, though.
Also, Rav Moshe paskens at the end that after all the tzedadim lehatir, we are machmir b’dieved. He calls it a safeika d’dinah.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantSam: they do? Doesn’t seem very ambiguous..
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantWere you researching that for the past year?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantMakes no sense. The only problem is on shabbos, and moshiach cannot come on shabbos.
Rather, he holds like the lunatics today who want to rebuild the beis hamikdosh before moshiach.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantLol I bet he did.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantLF: what do you mean? your username is only a month old!
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/profile/utter-silliness
(click on your username)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantGet semicha?
November 30, 2014 2:30 pm at 2:30 pm in reply to: Contact info for Mrs. Peska Friedman (This is not a parody.) #1044390popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf I knew, I certainly wouldn’t post it online. If she wanted it public, she’d have put it in the book.
Now we can consider the thread closed.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHappy Cranniversary!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantyah yah, we think you’re a moron also, and a rasha too!
November 30, 2014 3:32 am at 3:32 am in reply to: Is it ever appropiate to talk back to a Rebbi? #1046158popa_bar_abbaParticipantI agree with syag.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantagree with rebyidd.
Sometimes I think rebyidd is the only sane person in the CR
November 30, 2014 2:36 am at 2:36 am in reply to: Is it ever appropiate to talk back to a Rebbi? #1046153popa_bar_abbaParticipantI agree with Rebyidd.
If a rebbe is verbally or otherwise abusing the kids, he is not a rebbe at all, and does not deserve the respect that comes with the position. The kids are entitled to, and should, do and say whatever they feel is necessary to protect themselves–certainly including talking back.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantthere were other things on my list I won’t mention here
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popa_bar_abbaParticipantActually, it would help if you know something about your own.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantRandomex is my daughter in law. She can answer any questions about me.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThere is a third reason: It is pretty much unheard of for a prosecutor to let a grand jury see any evidence other than what is favorable for an indictment. For whatever reason, that was not what was done here. The grand jury naturally saw the conflicting evidence and declined to indict.
We all know why that was done here. Because the prosecutor didn’t believe there was evidence to convict.
In an ordinary case where the prosecutor doesn’t think there is evidence to convict, they drop the case. But he couldn’t do that here, because public opinion was so strong. So he figured he’d show it all to a grand jury.
In an ordinary usage of the grand jury, the prosecutor has already made the decision to indict, and the grand jury is just confirming it. Here, he was asking the grand jury to make that decision.
This wasn’t the ordinary usage of a grand jury. Hence they didn’t follow the ordinary procedures.
This is all good. Everyone says “a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich,” but we all agree that ham sandwiches should not be indicted. Rather, only people who the prosecutor believes there is evidence beyond reasonable doubt to convict should be indicted.
That is why not everyone in America is on trial–right? If prosecutors were supposed to indict everyone they could, and it is so easy to indict, then all of us should be on trial. But that isn’t how it works, because there is supposed to be someone deciding whether this person actually should be on trial.
Get it? Prosecutor decides who should be on trial, and (in some states) a grand jury then approves the decision based on some minimal standard. In this case, the prosecutor expanded their role to making the decision also.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNot you and ahmadenijad
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPlease read the quote I left and tell me it’s not disturbing
Oh it’s disturbing.
And it’s totally convinced me that the terrorists are right to be killing us!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantLF: what is the source of that hebrew phrase you posted?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantu could go on and on but I think you get my point
That you hate Hashem. We get the point. We got it before you started babbling.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNot at all what?
Not all worse than being oiver on the three shevuous? That’s an interesting opinion. Do you have any source that we kill people that are oiver on the three shevuous (besides your support for terrorism, I mean).
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOh, I didn’t realize his house was robbed. But if it was after he sued them to put his kids in the school, so then he’s already a moiser-no?
And being a moiser is certainly much worse than being oiver on the three shevuos. There is no source that we kill someone who is oiver on the three shevuos.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThat was ridiculous what they did to him and his family
You mean that they allowed them into the girls school. Yes, they should stop taking government money so they won’t have to do that.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI told them “moron.”
You mean boron?
No, I mean you.
A different time I told them farlium.
Why?
Because I know you wouldn’t know it wasn’t a real element.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDoing something which Hashem hates is not the same as hating Hashem.
I’m alleging that they hate Hashem, because they hate the Jewish people.
Everything done is mekadesh sheim shmayim
Well, everything eventually leads to kiddush Hashem. In their case, when we are eventually yatzu v’ra’u b’pigrei ha’anoshim haposhim bi, ki solaatom lo samus v’isham lo sichbeh
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWell, if they believe they are doing ratzon Hashem, but really they hate Hashem and that is what is driving them, then doesn’t it follow that they’d also be driven to do other things against Hashem?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantFirst step is finding someone to marry.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantReally? Tell me how you know that.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOf course my response is applicable here.
It’s one thing to do aveiros because you struggle with a tayva, like most of us. And it’s even one thing to do aveiros because you are a kofer like the choveveiniks.
But these guys do aveiros because they hate Hashem. If you hate Hashem, you’ll try to do bad things whenever you can, just to be moreid.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantSo, 006, how many pages of the grand jury evidence have you read? 10? 50? 100? 500? All of it?
You’re already holding at anyone disagreeing is “silly,” so I assume you must have read all of it. Is that correct?
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