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thank you ramateshkol.
I was going to say the same thing, but much more caustically.
Westcoast: you’ve got to be kidding.
I’m guessing this is just out of curiosity.
they still exist?
has anyone ever gotten a helpful answer from them, which they could not have gotten from google sms?
yes, and I just want to bring irrelevant definitions
Rationalism- The intellectual principles of Rationalism are based on architectural theory. Vitruvius had already established in his work De Architectura that architecture is a science that can be comprehended rationally. This formulation was taken up and further developed in the architectural treatises of the Renaissance. Progressive art theory of the 18th-century opposed the Baroque beauty of illusionism with the classic beauty of truth and reason.
Twentieth-century Rationalism derived less from a special, unified theoretical work than from a common belief that the most varied problems posed by the real world could be resolved by reason. In that respect it represented a reaction to historicism and a contrast to Art Nouveau and Expressionism.
Source- Wikipedia
Rationalism- a design movement principally of the mid-19th century that emphasized the development of modern ornament integrated with structure and the decorative use of materials and textures rather than as added adornment.
source- Dictionary.com
A cleaning lady on yom tov to do the dishes.
(Hmmm. Or a husband on yom tov to do the dishes)
and I thought you were giving away free shnitzi
Lets change the title to:
“Why are parents so insensitive these days?”
Then instead of answering, everybody can just be demonstrating.
Wellinformedyid:
that is some good informed
sm29: That’s a great idea.
Ummm. Are we assuming that we have that “awe and joy”?
Should I pretend to have it so my kids can see?
Can we change the title of the topic to
“The application of the laws of shmiras halashon to shidduchim”
It is not a balance, it is the law of shmiras halashon.
Done.
yes. also, what is dual enrollment?
lomed mkol haadam:
Are you trying to conclude that any older single guy has “real issues”?
Really?
Where are all those boys hiding… No one seems to be able to find them. Sure there are some older boys around but where are the masses and masses of non center court boys you talk about.
AZ: What are you talking about?
I am willing to grant that there is an age gap and that it could be a contributing factor.
However, there are many, many, older single guys. I see them every day. Denying that puts you in an odd position in this discussion.
What’s the issue here?
Now we all vote who won.
I vote Kraus wins.
Make the regular yontif foods. However, get or bake whole wheat challah. Also, make sure to serve salad and vegetables with every meal. Also, decide that you will never snack between meals.
Gosh! What makes all you people think that this is not calculated as a direct insult to us?
Or that moderate Muslims don’t understand that?
Go build a German cultural center in Auschwitz!
Yes, but it is not illegal to oppose it.
It is not illegal to mount legal challenges against it.
Perhaps I ought to be the legal scholar.
Hamelech Shlomo:
There is quite a difference between my speaking out against the mosque versus if I, as a judge or legislator, prevented it from being built.
There are many things I speak against that I would perhaps have to allow as a judge. For example: KKK marches and strip clubs.
Likewise, there is quite a difference between YOU wringing your hands and saying, “we can’t legally stop them”, versus your saying “there is no reason to stop the mosque from being built”.
You sound almost as if you want it to be built.
Also, why are you making as if my opposition is to their religion? As if I don’t like mosques? My opposition is to the deliberate undertones of this one.
Also, I never made any comments about your legal knowledge; I said “most of us”, meaning myself and most of the commentators on this forum. My point was that the legal side is irrelevant to most of us. If you happen to be a first amendment scholar, you may be very interested in debating the merits of their case. By all means, just please don’t confuse it with an evaluation of the worth of their cause.
Hamelech Shlomo:
Why are you only focusing on the legal aspect; a discussion most of us are not trained to take part in to any meaningful degree?
There is another far more basic issue. That is: Is the building of this mosque intended as an insult to us and a monument to their success in attacking us?
The answer is clearly, “yes”.
So I oppose it. Using all the means in my power. Including legal challenges.
(And I even hope that if my legal challenges are unworthy, that the court will overrule me.)
The comparison to those who hatefully try to block shuls in incorrect. The difference is the intent in blocking. The intent is anti-semitism; my intent is in no way racist or homophobic.
Oh. I though you were looking for a minyan that “really moves”.
charlie hall:
I disagree with your assessment of their intentions. There is plenty of evidence, from their statements, from the circumstances, and from their unwillingness to meet with the governor to discuss alternatives.
And I think strip joints are preferable.
And even if I am wrong and they do intend nothing untoward, it does not make me anti-Muslim nor my intentions bad.
This has nothing to do with their having an objectionable religion. It has to do with their attempting to memorialize their attack on us.
charlie hall:
I don’t see why using legal means to attempt to stop this is un-American, or at all similar to anti-semites using the courts to attempt to block shuls.
Anti-semites who block shuls are wrong because they are doing it for anti-semitic reasons.
People who are against this mosque feel that way because it is a deliberate provocation and intended to monument the success of the 9/11 attacks. We should try to stop it through any means. It’s for the courts to decide what the law is.
It stands for Large Ox Lips
Bnos Malka in Queens. Conveniently right off the Van Wyck.
It is really an excellent school. The principal is super nice and the teachers are great. My niece will be starting there this year, and my brother really does his homework about schools.
I think you should call them. (718) 268-2667 (I can’t confirm the phone number, so if it doesn’t work, call around for it)
Anything by Mark Twain is excellent light reading. Best is Life on the Mississippi
Now, my opinion on those two issues.
A. The legality. “I’m on a need to know basis and I don’t need to know.”
B. The public response.
There is no question in my mind that this building is specifically intended as an insult to us, and a monument to the success of the 9/11 attacks.
The entire Moslem world is laughing at us.
I condemn the planners and supporters of this mosque in the strongest terms.
If I were a judge on the case, I would judge it only on the legal merits, but my criticism is not meant to block it legally. It is meant as opinion on the character and intentions of the people involved.
I’m joining the thread just now, but here is my take.
There are two unrelated issues.
A. What are the legal (perhaps constitutional) issues involved.
B. What should be the public response.
I don’t think the public response is related to the legal issues. There are many things which are legal and I speak out against them. I’m not necessarily criticizing the legality, but I am criticizing people who practice it.
An example would be potching your kids. It is legal. I would not support a statute which prohibited it. I criticize parents who do it.
(BP totty: you can use the example of the KKK’s Skokie march. It was legal and most Americans think it should be legal. Yet- of course most Americans would speak out against it.)
BP totty:
I do not intend to minimize your concerns regarding the dangers inherent in the Israel year, particularly among the yeshivos which attract kids directly from high high school.
I have 2 points.
A. I went to yeshiva in Eretz Yisroel. I know many people who did. Largely, the people involved are not acting in a way which deserves any censure, while there or upon their return.
Particularly, if your comment is aimed at those who go several years after high school, the vast majority are being extremely productive. While it is true that there is often little oversight, it has not been shown to be a large problem.
That was the intention of my comment, “do you know these people?”. What I meant to say is that despite the risks, the facts show that it is a good idea.
B. I would actually argue that the lack of oversight is what allows the kids to grow. Again discussing the immediate post high school yeshivos, they have tremendous success turning kids into responsible adults with a new found appreciation for Torah and Judaism.
1. Shlomo Carlebach
2. Shlomo Carlebach
3. Shlomo Carlebach
“( and verified as non jews i.e african americans)”
is completely and utterly a WRONG attitude.
i expected better from the cr.
I don’t know. We do follow “rov” in many circumstances. If it makes a difference whether the man is jewish (I am not aware either way),
It is possible we would follow rov in this case.
I don’t know why any Jew of African descent would even find that offensive. There is no slight being intended nor delivered.
Wow! That’s pretty harsh on the boys. A shallow child.
I infer that you have sons since you mention not having daughters.
Are your sons like that? Their friends? Do you know any yeshiva guys in their mid-twenties; are they like you describe?
Oddly, those with shorter dating have longer marriages.
I wish to add that it is nearly impossible to prove that dating for a shorter amount of time is an indicator of a better marriage.
Since the groups who date shorter have many sociological differences, the disparities would need to be controlled for. That would be impossible, unless people from each group agreed to be part of a massive social experiment, and since the people who agreed would be self selecting, it would still be inaccurate.
It is possible that if frum Jews were to date for several years and then have a multi year engagement, it would result in even better marriages. (I am not advocating it.)
Oddly, those with shorter dating have longer marriages.
Well, they have longer to be married.
Hmmm. What is the real purpose of this thread? Mod 80?
popa_bar_abba – “Aside: NK is guilty of much worse than burning Israeli flags. They are guilty of strengthening the position of our enemies. It is probable that they have been indirectly responsible for the murder of Jews.”
Meaning, a large part of the battle for jewish lives in israel is the PR war. Every mission conducted by the IDF is weighed in PR terms. Every security action by the border police likewise. Bad PR does indeed result in jewish military and civilian casualties.
The NK, by presenting skewed facts and arguments to the media regarding the practices of our brothers in the military and government of israel, weaken our standing in the world. The media even gets to paint them as jews who claim that we are murderers and illegitimate occupiers.
MUST FOCUS ON WHAT OUR CHESRONOS ARE!!!
The second proposal being made is that people compensate shadchanim after a certain number of dates for having produced a “good potential”. The effect on the age gap is said to be that older girls will pay more.
I will respond based on my three points.
A. I am not convinced this will have an effect on the current age gap.
I am a guy, and I have dated. I always had multiple people I could go out with. I went out with whoever I thought had the best potential to lead to marriage. If a shadchan had bad ideas, I ignored him/ her and spoke to a different shadchan. If I felt a shadchan was being misleading, I would never deal with them again.
But really, the premise is faulty. If younger girls began to feel they were being ignored by shadchanim, they would also pony up the cash! Do we want to turn this into a bidding war?
B. This idea is achievable. Girls could start offering shadchanim money. But, as stated, it may not have the hoped for effect.
C. This idea is very dangerous. If singles are to pay shadchanim after a certain amount of dates, it would cause a pressure to not go on those further dates. A so-so third date would often result in a rejection if the fourth date will cost money. Witness how different the dating dynamic is when the parties are traveling to meet.
To summarize, the benefits are questionable, while the danger is real.
Great! Now we are talking business.
Here are the issues I am having with this idea.
1. I am not convinced it is possible to pull this off. I am not aware that BMG is interested in making such a rule.
2. Currently, most BMG students begin dating upon arrival in America and leaving the “freezer”.
However, this is because they delay their return to America until they wish to begin dating. There is little reason to think that a mandated early return would translate into earlier dating.
I didn’t mean to compare the two.
I meant to compare the idea of debating philosophy with a group which would clearly be wrong even were their philosophy to be correct.
This was the just first example to pop in my head.
Aside: NK is guilty of much worse than burning Israeli flags. They are guilty of strengthening the position of our enemies. It is probable that they have been indirectly responsible for the murder of Jews.
Perhaps we should raise the age that girls start dating to 20 or even 21?
I refer to my 3 conditions.
A. This would alleviate the age gap.
B. This is not very feasible. How will you convince a girl of 19 to not date in the midst of a shidduch crisis? Who will decree this and be accepted?
C. I don’t see any dangers. Some people might.
who is he and what is he trying to change??
See if you can find someone who is doing it and ask them. Also, search for job postings and see if people are hiring.
I doubt it.