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GAW: Not sure what that has to do with Ernst & Young, but I agree with the sentiment.

Rebbe yid: Yes, it is possible.

The reason he can’t say that is because it isn’t politically correct? There is no place for cowardice in Halacha.

Unlikely. They’ve said far more unpopular things.

Either of

Okay, I may have misunderstood you. I thought you were trying to distinguish between halchic vs. non-halachic issues. Now it seems that you are not. Unless your question actually was whether or not Modern Orthodox people agree with you that there is no difference between halachic and non-halachic issues.

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Also, I think you first need to ask whether Modern Orthodox people agree with you that the reason to follow the psak of a Rav in actual halacha is “v’asisa…”

I suppose I’m asking either one. I don’t have a preconceived notion of the way others may disagree with me.

That isnt realy what we are talking about. I am strictly using this example to point out how based on “Daas Torah” people accept all sorts of (non-halachic, barely even hashkafic) nonsense simply because somebody chashuv said so

That’s a pretty arrogant statement.

Maybe you should sometimes consider that something can be true and that you are just too stupid or ignorant to understand it.

I suppose either one.

PBA: DaMoshe basically answered your question. “MO” Rabbis won’t think their “Hashkafic” advice is Halachically binding and will often only give it B’Toras Eitzah Tovah.

Sam, that means something else than how I’d assumed DaMoshe meant.

If they don’t think their hashkafic advice is ever binding and will only ever give it b’torah eitzah tovah, then no, they don’t believe in non-strawman daas torah.

Writersoul: to your first question, of course we asked them that. I believe the answer is that to the contrary, the kesubah makes it harder to divorce and so stregnthens the marriage.

To your other questions: I don’t think I’m assuming any of those things.

It doesn’t matter if the YU roshei yeshiva are recommending this specific item on hashkafic grounds also. That doesn’t prove anything about the culture generally, since it is only one example and the students who are following may happen to personally agree.

I’m not aware of anyone who disagrees with my strawman assertion. I don’t know everything, but I know at least what the majority of the yeshivish community thinks. I don’t think even chassidish hold of the straw man type.

I don’t know what you mean by objectively. If you mean as opposed to it depending on personal circumstances, that is part of what you would ask the rabbi… If you mean that Hashem in fact does not care, then we aren’t talking about those items.

Ivdu: techeiles is halacha, and is not part of this discussion.

Why do you care? What difference does it make? Noone on this blog is authorized to speak on anyone’s behalf other than their own ( even assuming the anonymous writer is MO )

Why do you care why I care?

It is interesting.

I’m not asking anyone to be anyone else’s lawyer. Just to give an opinion.

Why does this yank your chain so bad?

OurTorah:

I think that is a slightly different topic: whether our schools could do more to prepare kids for those that will end up in the outside world.

However, that isn’t really our discussion here, unless you think it is actually possible to prepare them such that the danger is materially gone.

And judging by other communities’ success (or rather lack thereof) in keeping their kids frum in college and in the IDF, I’d say nobody has quite figured that out yet.

Oh, and trivia question for you: What’s the MO/RZ standard greeting on Yom Ha’atzma’ut?

I know.

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A hesder yeshiva guy bumped into a chraedi yeshiva guy in Bet Shemesh and they began to talk, The Yeshiva guy asked if the Hesder guy recognized the protection of the learning does for the state, The hesder guy said he would, but then he asked the yeshiva guy if he recognized the protection the army does for the state (and the yeshivas) . The yeshiva guy walked away.

Is that the best you can do? A made-up propaganda story that makes just as much (or little) sense the other way?

I heard a widely reported incident yesterday.

A hesder yeshiva guy bumped into a chraedi yeshiva guy in Bet Shemesh and they began to talk, The hesder guy asked if the yeshiva guy recognized the protection the army does for the state (and the yeshivas), The yeshiva guy said he would, but then he asked the hesder guy if he recognized the protection the learning does for the state (and the army). The hesder guy walked away.

When you are down to telling propaganda stories, you should look yourself in the eye and realize that you’re being closed-minded.

To be clear: I wasn’t asking if you can do this on shabbos. I was asking if you can build a mishkan like this and the mishkan is kosher.

Because then I would write a YCT/conservative teshuva that you can do any melacha on shabbos in the ordinary way since it is not assur to build a mishkan on shabbos.

Bumped in honor of the people who went loony on my first sincere thread since tisha b’av.