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March 25, 2011 6:13 pm at 6:13 pm in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759906popa_bar_abbaParticipant
“..Affixed to the billboard is a small glued on sign, “Warning, Do not post pictures of women of else they will be spray painted.””
I wonder if the posting of this sign is a violation of the hate crime law. Women are a protected group.
Well, if it says “of women of else”, then it can be read to not post pictures of anyone.
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March 25, 2011 6:02 pm at 6:02 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753629popa_bar_abbaParticipantWell, that is odd. I thought out of town usually had fewer people in kollel, because the don’t have major kollels.
March 25, 2011 4:52 pm at 4:52 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753626popa_bar_abbaParticipantOOT schools have a problem with too many kollel types. How is that?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNobody liked my story that wasn’t with the chazon ish
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYes, tell you mother he tried to assault you.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’ll look into it.
However, soap does not make the taam pagum in itself. It just makes sure that the taam will be pogem whatever you mix it into.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI don’t know. But whichever it is, it still does not transfer into a right of the other party.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantSJS: I’m not suggesting that a house be the norm; I’m just highlighting the stupidity of spending so much money on a meal that everybody leaves before it is served.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDY: Why would detergent help us when eino ben yomo won’t?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantof course: yes, that is what the OP said. “A small wedding in the shul”.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBut what if they serve onions and you use your fork and knife that were in the dishwasher?
Ok, here are my newer thoughts:
???? generally does two things:
A. It makes ???? as if it is not.
B. It makes ??? ??? into ??? ?????.
Now, there is a dispute over what is ????. We are ????? that even onions are.
The ?????? ??? ???? says in 96:3 that we will not say both chumros of charif in a case where the charif is only an onion.
So that would solve our issue.
Also, there is a ?? 122:2, which I hope to talk about later.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m afraid that passed over me.
I understand some people have a giving relationship as well. (But respect is not limited to where there is a giving relationship.)
So maybe you are saying the hakaras hatov creates a right?
Firstly, that would only apply where there is a hakaras hatov element.
Secondly, I would still say the same thing, that where there is hakaras hatov, the person is just a cheftza for your personal mitzva of hakaras hatov.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think you should tell your mother that you do have a crush on him, so that she will not tell you to go.
I think your mother will understand, and will not be upset at you, or respect you any less.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m afraid I don’t understand what you mean by the “relationship”.
I just don’t see where the “right” comes from.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBut what if they serve onions and you use your fork and knife that were in the dishwasher?
I asked my people. One of them pointed to ??? ????? 447:134 http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=14169&st=&pgnum=52
He is quoting from ?”? that if a food absorbs issur which is pagum, and then the food becomes ????, it does not reinvigorate the issur.
Perhaps the same applies here, even though it is a bit different.
popa_bar_abbaParticipanthope this becomes the norm after i get married!
I hope it becomes the norm just after you take out a 5th mortgage to marry off your last kid.
Hee hee.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantRight, so we disagree.
I say that the mitzva of kavod for someone is for my benefit, not for their benefit. The fact that it inures to them is incidental, as far as they are concerned.
If I have to have kavod for a sefer torah, the sefer torah should not feel slighted.
A parent or rebbi is just the cheftza that my mitzva is chal on.
Accordingly, I think that if a parent or rebbe is insulted, it is their bad middos. (and in the case of the rebbe, maybe he is not really worthy of respect anymore, but lets not get sidetracked.)
I’m not really sure where you get from there being a mitzva to respect, to the object of respect being able to be ???? it and be insulted if it is not offered.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think it should be.
I think weddings should be in the shul’s social hall, with the meal in your house for immediate family and grandparents.
March 24, 2011 7:30 pm at 7:30 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753598popa_bar_abbaParticipantMDG:
I also agree with you.
Many kids do take out loans. But most are also single.
Parents who appreciate grad school see it as an investment.
Parents who appreciate learning see it as G-d’s will.
Posters who do not appreciate learning, or more often, have a different hashkafa about the primacy of learning versus secular education or other money earning pursuits, do not see learning as worth supporting.
All of this is fine.
The only thing which is not fine is when people inject their own hashkafos into someone else’s decision, and decide they are therefore being victimized.
March 24, 2011 7:16 pm at 7:16 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753594popa_bar_abbaParticipantGAW: I agree
popa_bar_abbaParticipantFor two years in a row, we all put our garbage in our cars, and dumped it on the steps of city hall. They finally got us our garbage pick up.
You can see the local story here:
March 24, 2011 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm in reply to: Married Lakewood kids want a down payment now! #753591popa_bar_abbaParticipantI agree with Charlie. Kids should be self sufficient. Most of my friends who are learning are self sufficient- the wife works and they live cheap.
That said, this problem is not really endemic to learning couples. Who do you think is supporting 22 year olds who get married and are going to graduate school?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe girl in Grapes of Wrath is called Rose of Sharon.
????? ?????
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWasn’t there a story without the Chazon Ish or Steipler with this guy who settled and then had a horrible marriage and messy divorce and his kids hate him and aren’t frum?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDerech:
You are not agreeing with me.
I recognize that there are rules that a parent can be mochel on his kavod.
But, that is still all in the realm of bein adom lamokom. If the parent is mochel, there is no longer any tikkun hamidos to do the honoring.
However, that does not mean that the parent has any right to even feel slighted by not being honored.
It is like a kohen being insulted because you don’t separate teruma.
Or teffilin being insulted because you didn’t wear them.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantFascinating.
You really believe that.
Would you even do it? If you were the older woman?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDeal. But I realized they will probably take until 710, since tomorrow is thursday.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhat exactly was wrong with the woman expecting the younger woman to accommodate? Nothing.
See. This is why I cannot take your other points seriously.
Because you think that the older woman was actually in the right here.
So of course you think esther was wrong.
But that is crazy. You don’t have a right to go around bullying people just because by some accident of nature you happen to have been born earlier.
Their obligation of respect has nothing to do with you.
Please see my other thread. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/chutzpa-is-not-a-%D7%91%D7%99%D7%9F-%D7%90%D7%93%D7%9D-%D7%9C%D7%97%D7%91%D7%99%D7%A8%D7%95
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m confused. Doesn’t my answer make sense?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf you know where it is, just show up however many minutes before 648 that it will take you to get to shmone esrei.
and assume they will finish about 700.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf Rav Moshe clearly assumed a clearly incorrect fact, then presumably we could ignore the psak.
However, I am not aware that any of the 11 reasons which were brought to argue with him at the time, and which he answers in Igros moshe, OC 5:28, were that his facts were wrong.
As it happens, it had to do with the total number of people living in Brooklyn, since he held that if there were usually 600k people on all the city’s streets combined, during times that people are in the streets, then the whole city is a R”H.
But, I am sure this thread has discussed that, and I am no expert on this at all. I just started reading his teshuvos 5 minutes ago.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantand see my thread about chutzpa.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI made my points earlier, and don’t need to repeat them.
Aries is way over the line.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAries: you are far more over the top than I am.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantthere are people who can afford to do things that other people can’t. People choose to go to hotels and others choose to stay home.
And this little piggy went wee wee wee wee all the way home.
(Sorry, I had to.)
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAlso, what does CIAO mean?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHashem gave us all one nose and stuck it on our face and that’s where it belongs, not in other peoples business!
My nose is long enough to be on my nose, and in other people’s business!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWho actually goes to one of these things?
The eirev rav.
Heh heh. Was that over the top?
March 24, 2011 2:18 am at 2:18 am in reply to: Bochrim Spray-Paint Over �Not Tzniyus� Advertisement #759795popa_bar_abbaParticipanthow did they know its not tznius w/o looking?
That doesn’t exactly make sense. How are they supposed to know to not look without knowing it is not tznius without looking?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBut what if they serve onions and you use your fork and knife that were in the dishwasher?
Hmmm.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYes, since it’s not a ben-yomo, the food is muttar b’dieved anyhow.
That is a good point.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOk, as long as we can guillotine him if we get annoyed at him.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantJust please tell me my house didn’t move from where I left it this morning.
Is it too early for a Japan joke?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf you have 23 kids in a class at $10K tution each, thats $230K in tution per class.
If they are each paying that much. They are not.
pay the teachers $50K and you are left with $180K per class
Is there only one teacher the whole day? You want to pay all the day’s teachers a combined 50k? Does that include the cost of their benefits and the school’s share of their FICA?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCut the Sem. Cut the Sem. Cut the Sem. Cut the Sem. Cut the Sem.
Totally.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIt makes sense for either North or South to be the focal point.
Mostly because both ends are not inhabitable, so they are natural endings.
But also because there are magnetic poles which make natural endings.
It makes more sense to look north, since most of the world is in the North. So our world is really only the top half, with the natural end being the North.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWell, suppose you date 10 guys.
You could easily assume that your next guy has a less than 10% chance of working out.
So then you would never date.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantQuinoa is a berry
No. Strawberries, Blueberries, Cranberries, Raspberries, Blackberries, Elderberries, Snozberries, Salmonberries, Gooseberries, etc. Those are berries.
Quinoa is not one of those.
March 23, 2011 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm in reply to: younger sublings getting engaged before older #752032popa_bar_abbaParticipantIt is not true.
And there was no point.
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