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popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Ok,. menchie is also on same page.
@DY, I count anyone as on same page if we essentially agree on the theory, even if they have different facts.I don’t have to be on a different page just bec someone is ignorant.
popa_bar_abbaParticipant#fakenews
You can clearly see this is my thread. If you want a thread, so start one. There’s a button for “new topic”.
“Topic” is like a thread.
You can start it about anything you like. Some people like to make funny ones, like asking if you have to wash your kitten negel vasser after it eats a mouse, and whether cats have the same shmoneh shratzim as people do, or if they have different ones. And what’s the shiur?
You’d probably be best off speaking to your attorney before saying anything else regarding this topic.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOh, you’re asking if the gemara applies to EMTs and medics? Let’s analyze.
Achzariyus: Maybe. Unclear. They don’t really do the same things doctors do.
Gaava: Unlikely.
Maharal: Unlikely.I guess I’m not sure. I’m not too big of a baal gaava to say I don’t know, unlike all you doctors and wanna be doctors on this thread (DY).
popa_bar_abbaParticipantUbiquition, I think we’re on the same page. You can feel free to keep on champing at the bit if you want.
Menchie, I distinguished from hatzala in my very first post on this thread. I don’t know why you are so anti hatzala, but you can always join ezras noshim if it’s itching you so much.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCan you repost a tldr version? Is hard to read the 5 words of tape buried in the insults.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantMods, I meant to put a comma in the title. Please add.
It should read sleep, ingdo sand purity
popa_bar_abbaParticipantEven if don’t bill for it?
July 18, 2017 6:39 am at 6:39 am in reply to: Out of the box ideas to solve the shidduch crisis 🚫🥊👰🤵 #1319460popa_bar_abbaParticipantOr, could drive some of the girls OTD.
I mean, more than we already do. It feels like we try harder with boys to drive them OTD (probably to reduce competition for paying kollels), and maybe that’s the real problem that causes age gap.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHow is that dabeir davar?
I ask you if I’m allowed to dump vials of blood by hand into a river. You say yes it’s fine.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOk, so a couple fit my narrative. All y’all ok with R’ Akiva Eiger calling you achzarim?
Is it muttar to answer questions on litigation strategy on shabbos? Or to answer questions on corporate law?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhy assur? Fine, you tell us what they could do.
Also, nobody on this thread’s objection was to the application of the gemara, They’re just mad that the gemara says it at all.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe problem with you folk is you get so hung up on defending your uncle’s brother’s friend who is a doctor, that you can’t see your right elbow from your left ear. Forget that, you probably can’t even touch your right elbow to your left ear.
Here’s the bottom line. It is totally accepted that doctors do residencies and shifts that require them to treat shabbos like a regular day, even though there is zero pikuach nefesh need for them to do that. And while I’m sure they’re correct that it’s muttar min hadin, it is definitely wrong.
And it’s a bushah on the frum medical profession that they let it happen. Consider that no other profession has allowed their work to intrude on shabbos, even in ways that are probably muttar. Would it be assur for a biglaw lawyer’s associate to come to their house, and show them some changes in a document, and then go execute based on his advice? I don’t know–I bet there is something they could do that would be muttar. But every other profession drew a hard line around shabbos, and didn’t go looking for heterim.
And then there are the people who agree that there is something wrong with it, but won’t discuss it. They won’t raise the topic themselves, and will tell anyone who raises it that they are being a hyperbola or a hypotenuse so that they can shut down the discussion (instead of just discussing it minus the quadratic equation, because they trying to bury it). What drives those people? If the internet had existed in the time of the gemara, would it say tov sheb’internet l’gehenom?
Aside: All you arguing with the gemara are basically kofrim. If you don’t like what it says, too blasted bad. It’s the gemara. You should try learning it someday, and maybe you could have made a siyum today on baba basra.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYou think I’m implying that?
Implying that?
Really?
I don’t know any clearer way to say it much.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantUbiquitin:
Am I correct, or incorrect, that most frum doctors do not do a shomer shabbos residency, and do not even try to?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYour fantasy about this is getting a lot of people irritated. Is that your goal?
Goal? No. Maybe a side benefit.
Why is everyone up in arms over the king of the trolls and his/her comments, as outlandish as they may be.
Obviously, because they are my trolls and I’ve called them to arms. To arms! Attack! KILL THEM ALL!!!!!!!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWow, and Dr. Nat manages to take an internet discussion to the level of advocating letting someone die, who he has never met.
If I were to generalize, I would now say that all doctors are sociopaths, but I have no proof that Dr. Nat is in fact a doctor. Probably a phlebotomist.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantof course. let’s all stop generalizing.
I’ll stop pretending that all doctors don’t keep shabbos just because most don’t, and you’ll stop pretending that all do just because you’re uncles cousin knew someone who he thinks keeps shabbos because he wears a yarlmuke and is making a siyum on baba basra today.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOh, now we’re calling it a “challenge.”
Like, it’s very hard to not talk lashon hara, or to not have kaas, or to have kavana during davening. It’s challenge. We all try to work on our challenges.
Yeah, it’s a “challenge” to not take a residency which means you won’t keep shabbos for the next 3 years.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWho are all these ppl saying ridiculous stuff?
You don’t get to change the facts because you have a friend who is a doctor.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAmen!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNot to take away from DY’s post.
Hatzalah guys wear a radio, and go to shul, and daven, and go home, and eat a seudah (and yell at their kids and swill scotch and fall asleep on couch). Albeit perhaps also run out on a few calls.
Doctors put on their work clothes, go to their regular job. While their kids sit at home and mother yells at them.
I posit that choice A is shabbos, and choice B is not.
Accountants keep shabbos. Lawyers keep shabbos. Mechanics keep shabbos. Laundry chute sweepers keep shabbos. Elephant trainers keep shabbos. All jobs that are 7 days a week you can keep shabbos and you just don’t do the shabbos shift. Except doctors don’t keep shabbos.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe bottom line is that if you become a doctor, you will probably no longer keep shabbos. Whether that is muttar or not, you can ask your rabbi. But it’s not shabbos.
And no, it is way different from for example being in hatzala where you regularly do melacha on shabbos for specific pikuach nefesh situations. Doctors treat shabbos like any other day.
As the gemara says, they go to gehenom.
popa_bar_abbaParticipant“What does it look like when they need to enter an internship program and live as a frum Jew at the same time? Are there certain areas where on has to compromise on? ”
Shaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaboooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooosssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYour wife should know this type of stuff
popa_bar_abbaParticipantHealth,
You can’t start an IV en route, while the ambulance is moving. Maybe at a red light.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhat is sterile gashmiyus?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantLiar. You have no idea if you would.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantRule is half your age plus 7.
So 34 year old man can marry 24 and up. So it’s fine.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYwn seems to have a lot of snags lately. Maybe that’s why
popa_bar_abbaParticipantGiven the fact the OU is a recognizable name and would destroy their reputation if they declared something kosher when it was not and they did the actual painstaking research, their opinion must be given promimance – See more at: http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/kitniyos-expansion#sthash.VR8FS9dL.dpuf
Like putting their symbol on the outside of a package with treif food inside? Or putting OU Pareve on something that contains milk? http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/ou-kashrus-is-not-reliable
April 5, 2017 2:02 pm at 2:02 pm in reply to: The “Defend Something You Are Against” Challenge #1251195popa_bar_abbaParticipantThis is a great thread
Good things about other YWN posters:
1. They read my jokes
2. They say stuff for me to make fun of
3. They include Squeak and Dr. Pepper. Or used to.popa_bar_abbaParticipantInshidduchim’s serial story is the jewish way
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOU is not reliable.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI heard today that you know why one leitzanus is docheh meah tochachos?
Bec ketzas mehaor is docheh harbei meihachoshech
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf he really feels that it would be a problem for him, it is assur for him to knock on the door, and a bigger Mitzvah to skip putting on Tefillin. In this case, putting on Tefillin would be a “Mitzvah haba al yidei aveira”.
No, that’s not correct.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantIs this thread about tznius or about safety? Those aren’t the same.
Syag, I don’t think we’re reading the same thread.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDy, I hope your single daughters apt isn’t broken into br said creepy guy after she leaves her keys in the door, and because some frum guy was too frum to knock on her door.
So I guess the question is, are we talking about the creepy guy or the frum guy.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYes, you are in fact wrong. Because you can’t avoid doing mitzvos just because you don’t feel comfortable.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThat enough ideas? You aren’t pattur from mitzvos just because you’re frum. It’s a common misconception, but even frum people are chayav to keep the Torah.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPull the fire alarm. He’ll notice on way back in.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantTake the keys, go outside, tape them to a rock with duct tape, throw the rock through his window.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCall a shadchan, ask them to set you up with him, on the date, tell him there are keys in his door.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantKnock on door and run away. If he doesn’t notice keys, do it again and again until he notices.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCall your brother, knock on door and hand him phone.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCall his rav.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCall hatzala to his house, they’ll notice the keys and tell him.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWear a sheitel so he thinks you’re married.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWear a facemask when you knock on door, so even if he likes you, he won’t know who you are.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantOr, or,
Run back out, buy a megaphone, stand in your apt and start broadcasting “apartment 2b, your keys are in the door.” And do the screechy sound so it masks your voice and he doesn’t know it’s you.
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