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i guess when u come back to the dorm at 3 or 4 am
Reminds me of my first date.
So my two roommates and I had been teasing each other the entire year about who would be the first to go on a date. Then we started making bets.
Finally around the end of June, I proposed the following bet: Whenever one of us would go on a date, the others would have to go on a date within one week.
One of my roommates agreed to the bet, and one did not.
Now, I was willing to make the bet because I already had said yes to a girl and was going out in a couple of days.
So I go out on Tuesday night, and come back at midnight. I walk into the room, turn on the light, say “Ploni, wake up! You have a week.” He says, “I already said yes to someone before we made the bet. I’m going out sunday.”
And the guy who wouldn’t bet- he had gone out two days earlier, but slept at home that night so we wouldn’t know.
I just saw this. It is shockingly anti-semitic.
charlie:
I was not one of the posters. I don’t even recall seeing the thread. And if I had, I probably wouldn’t have clicked on it, since I can’t imagine there would be any content I would have anything to add to.
I am very happy that we are able to visit Yerushalayim and the Kosel.
I do love Yerushalayim.
You should not accuse me of not loving it.
don’t care about Jerusalem.
I find that comment rather offensive. It is false, and there is no reason to accuse us of that.
if she has any reason to refuse
Hee hee. Like let’s say, if he’s a rapist?
That’s a really good point. There should be.
mir guy: That is my humor; that’s what I do. I do it to friends, family, whoever. See also http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/lying-on-ywn
I make up stories about buildings, fields, cars, people, anything I see.
Wolf: I don’t think you have a problem. You never clicked on these terms, and browse-wrap contracts are really not enforced.
As far as a right of action against YW if the won’t take down a submission, I don’t think there could be any action, since the owner of the copyright posted it, so the publication was done by the owner.
charlie: Are you serious? Because I might understand now how you think Obama and other liberals are reasonable on Israel.
Internet contracts are what is known as a “click-wrap” contract. (It’s a play on words of shrink-wrap contracts, which are contracts printed on the shrink wrap of software.)
Click wrap contracts are always enforced when they can prove that you clicked on an “I agree” button which had those terms.
Since some of the terms may have been added after some people made their accounts, the contract would not be binding unless there was some sort of system whereby every user had to click “I agree” again.
If there would be a notice on the screen that all usage of the website was subject to terms and a link to those terms, that would be called a “browse-wrap” contract. These are occasionally enforced, but are much shakier.
When the content belongs to the website they are no longer just an “Online Service Providor”
Are you saying that because you know?
IANAL but such a policy could put YWN in legal trouble if a user posts copyrighted material.
IANAL= If Anyone Nags A Lord
Huh?
In any event, I don’t think it would cause legal trouble if someone posts copyrighted material. The DMCA (Digital Millennium Copyright Act) generally protects websites from liability on account of user posted material.
PBA I’m not interested in hearing yet again…
That’s me! PBA is me!
I for one choose to believe I am not going to marry a donkey.
Me too. We just disagree on what is human and what is donkey.
I will explain. Donkeys have tall ears. And are kind of funny if they are the one from shrek.
I wouldn’t do it. I don’t think I could kill someone.
what about Hitler (Ym’s)
He was able to. I’m not.
I wouldn’t do it. I don’t think I could kill someone.
i heard in the name of the Chafetz Chaim that it means to not get worried about past failings
Best advice I ever got about that is: You need to take your past and put it in your behind.
-adapted from the Lion King
Statistics say I would not.
Most people who are not observant Jews do not become so.
Even most highly intelligent people. Even most well adjusted people. Especially most well adjusted people.
So I can safely assume I would not.
PBA, why would you think that was directed at you?
It is irrelevant whether it was directed at me personally. It was directed at people who do the actions you describe.
And this is not about being offended. It is about your assuming that people who only keep halacha some of the time are doing it for bad motives even when they are keeping it.
aries2756
Smartness runs in my family.
I will ask my question again. For those who do NOT hold the door open for a date since that is halacha and are NOT allowed to walk behind a woman are they careful NOT to walk behind a woman while getting on a bus, train, elevator, entering a store, etc. Or does this only apply to dates?
My point being do not be a jerk on a date and be machmir on a halacha just because you are on a date. If you are ALWAYS machmir on that halacha then by all means be yourself. (emphasis added)
By all means, you should retract the word jerk, and I will not hold it against you.
Always wondered why some schools do not participate in the parade.
Because they love jews, and love ??? ?????, but have little affinity with the governmental entity called “Israel”.
aries: I’m starting up with you because you are calling me a jerk.
Even if my actions are inconsistent, why do you assume it’s because I’m a jerk?
Why are you so hypercritical of people who aren’t like you?
but had I been a Jew in Europe I would have davened for a German victory.
This is the advantage of hindsight, that we now know what the Germans are.
My point being do not be a jerk on a date and be machmir on a halacha just because you are on a date.
aries: Just what do you think is motivating us to not walk behind our dates? You think we are being a “jerk”?
You think that if I don’t walk behind my date, but I do get on a bus without waiting all day for no women to be at the bus stop, it means the reason is I am a jerk?
You’re accusing us of being mean people for following our rebbeim and keeping halacha.
So now who’s a jerk?
this chumra is to prevent a ????? of a knot in a single hair, very difficult to discover when combing even with a fine-tooth comb
Interesting. (That was why I appended (“I think)”.
In any event, it is not a chumrah which is brought in the shulchan aruch, rema, shach, taz.
Oh, I didn’t realize you were asking only on your behalf and not on behalf of your husband.
This would be a very big deal to your husband, I think you should let him decide. Tell him you are willing to do it, (if you are), but I would say to only do it if he really wants to, not if he is only willing to accommodate you.
Oh I see, you are actually English. My bad.
Well, in any event, in the former empire, it is much more common to have guys on dates who open the door and walk away.
In fact, until recently, I think that was standard practice even among the highly yeshivish. And some of the highly yeshivish still do.
(I know, my relatives have excellent highly yeshivish creds, but I’m not calling them out on this forum. But trust me, you’d agree.)
Difficult question.
Are you bacon or are you eggs?
The chicken is involved, but the pig is committed.
Really though, here is my question for you:
I personally find it odd to tell a litvish woman to shave her head, since it is not a din, or even a chumrah, but merely a minhag of the chassidim (I think).
But, if you trust this person, and trust his daas torah, and he thinks it is a good idea for you to do it, then I reckon you should do it.
If you don’t, I don’t know why you go to him.
Maybe I’m wrong, maybe it is more nuanced than that. But it’s a starting point for thinking about it.
From what I’ve seen there are only two situations, either he opens and closes it for her or he doesn’t open it for her altogether.
Actually, everyone in my circles opens the door and walks away. It is quite common and normal.
I don’t mean to be confrontational, but just how much have you looked into this that you say “from what I’ve seen”?
When you go to a restaurant and order sweetbreads, or go to a Simcha and are served sweetbreads you are getting the Thymus Gland.
Actually, you get whatever they decide to serve you. Since they know most people don’t know what it is anyway, they just take the mushy stuff from when you cook ground turkey, and add potato starch to make it a little more jellish, and some other junk, and roll it on out.
I see what you are saying.
I will agree that this halacha is probably something that would be balanced in halacha against other considerations.
I will disagree though, that the considerations you raise are valid. To whatever extent it is considered proper etiquette to allow a woman to walk before you, that is not a torah hashkafa, and is indeed anti-torah. And not because of tznius, Manoach (shimshon’s father) was criticized for walking behind his own wife. It is because men are more chashuv, they are supposed to go first.
Popa: What part of my post exactly was ignoring halacha?
True, a man should not walk behind a woman. However, when this concept gets so warped to point where it interferes with proper manners and respectful behavior, one really has to make a level headed decision and think about what REALLY is important.
Hmmmm. When “true…” is followed by “However…”, one is not following halacha.
aries:
For blazeds sake, what is wrong with him going in and holding the door for her behind him?
(And if you recall, I am in favor of opening the car door, but then walking away while she gets in.)
Middlepath: What you are proposing is not the middle path. It is ignoring halacha.
There’s a story on Yahoo News right now about a guy who has been living with diabetes for 85 years. He just turned 90.
The gemara disparages men who walk behind women. Manoach is called an am haaretz because he walked behind his wife.
In any event, it is completely normal on dates that the guy opens the door and precedes the girl in, holding the door.
Maybe you can consider changing the title of the thread and then have fun with your car stories.
But this terminology really fits much better to cars than to kids.
So probably we should just stop calling people who stop observing the torah “going off the derech”.
When fathers come home from the kiddush stone drunk, what do you expect?
Somehow I don’t find this thread amusing!
I don’t think anyone’s taking the tragedy of someone c”v stopping to be shomer Torah umitzvos lightly.
Or maybe aries doesn’t think jokes about car accidents are funny.
Sweetbreads are the Thymus Gland.
Please don’t tell me that’s what brains are for. (knowing that)
YD 103 http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=9147&st=&pgnum=265
It says: If you see someone wearing shaatnez doraisa knowingly, you are supposed to jump on him and rip it off him, even in the marketplace. Even if it is your Rebbi.
But, if he does not know, then you can wait to tell him until he gets home, because of his dignity. (not because of tznius -popa)
But if it is only shaatnez drabonon, then you can wait until you get home.
Gatkis. Right in the middle of the beis hamikdash. (unless you are a kohen doing avoda and the shaatnez is in your bigdei kehuna. Also unless it is your tzitzis.)
Shlishi:
Where are you getting these halachos? As I recall, you have to take it off wherever you are, right then and there.