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What if there’s dog feces for the men, and salmon for the women?
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1. If such occurred in real-life conversation, try, “could we please change the subject? I would really prefer to not talk about fecal bagels.”
Ok, but suppose I was serving them at a bris, along with lox, cream cheese, tuna salad, and rugelach. Is it ok for you to say, “dog feces bagel, ewwwwww”?
How do you think it makes me feel when people are talking about eating food that literally is so disgusting it makes me sick just to think of it.
Imagine that I was walking around telling you about how I’m going to eat a bagel with dog feces spread on it. If you’re gonna eat cream cheese-fine. But can’t you do it privately?
No seminary on the Bais Yaakov spectrum allows Internet access.
I think that’s right. if internet is a deal breaker, you will have problem. Why not just use when you visit home for shabbos?
Nu, anyone have any decent ideas? Which seminary is for frum yeshivish, some out of town, folks, that teaches strong yeshivish hashkafos, but isn’t an academic pressure cooker where you’ll have to write 1700 reports a week.
In other news, I have no idea how to help my sister in law with her report, so I hope she figures it out.
Come to a seminary in America. Beis yaakov half day.
I remember soliciting my Chinese boss to donate a prize for a yeshiva chinese auction (I gave him a pamphlet explaining what it was). He thought it such a good idea, that he wanted to do something like it at his own kids private school. He was not offedned at all by the name.
How do you say uncle tom in chinese?
Why not Hadar?
Wait, so when my wife asks me to buy her a set of fine China, she’s being racist?
When my wife says to buy China, she doesn’t mean Noritake or Mikasa.
Noritake and Mikasa are JAPANESE, NOT Chinese products. Your predjudice and/or ignorance now shines through.
I note they are called “china.”
I’m being a bit mean on this thread. I don’t know if it’s so bad for candidates to call. I once campaigned for a friend and we called houses on election day to urge them to go vote. Maybe the exception in the law is because many people would want to get those calls.
The calling list is the list of registered voters in the district. It is generated by the Registrar of Voters and contains the phone numbers given by people when they register to vote. This government provided list is not checked against a ‘no call list’ because calls to these numbers are not subject to that list.
If a voter does not want calls from candidates and political parties/pollsters, the voter does not have to provide a phone number when registering to vote, or can ask the Registrar to remove the phone number.
Oh but surely you could check it against the federal do not call list. And surely you are aware that nobody knows you don’t have to give the voter registrar your phone number, or that it means you get telemarketing calls from candidates.
So to me you’re deliberately calling people whom you know don’t want to be called, during dinner. Maybe you’re willing to do that–but own it. I happen to think a prospective elected official would do better than that, but I happen to think most elected officials are narcissists.
I’m willing to call a chinese auction “chinese auction.” I’m willing to do so because that’s what it’s called, and because I have seen zero evidence that there is any offensive origin. I’ll own it.
I no full well the wrath of callers, especially at dinner time. I am currently running for local office, and we call voters from 6-8:15 PM. People are quick to yell into the phone that they are on the no-call list, however charities and politicos are exempt under the law. Also any company you have done business with in recent history may call you.
So you deliberately call people who you know have asked not to be called, during dinner, and you think that’s ok because it’s “legal”? That’s not very nice.
Making Chinese auctions is also legal, you know.
Hakatan: Have you asked your LOR that inasmuch as RZ are ovdei avoda zara, is it ok to eat their kashrus? I’d like to hear the answer.
Also, out of curiosity is this this something you also heard from your own rebbeim, or just from reading gedolim stories?
I am, however, conveying that our gedolim have stated that MO and “RZ” theologies are against the Torah. But I have not seen them declare the adherents to be considered ovdei A”Z. So this is, again, a matter for one’s LOR.
That makes no sense. Why do you ascribe nonsense to our gedolim?
Most of the organizations use commissioned sales people to call for money and I have a problem with that.
Why?
They only do it because you’re too cheap to donate money otherwise.
DY: Eh. I don’t think “Jew” is any more offensive than “gyp/jip”, which I hear people say all the time.
I don’t say gyp. It’s highly offensive.
This thread is a bit over the top.
What is the origin of “chinese auction” anyway? Wikipedia doesn’t know. I doubt the origin is auctioning off african americans in the south, since then it would be called an african american auction. Also, people were auctioned as slaves throughout history–not just in the American south, so they may as well be called a paris auction, or an algerian auction, or, hey, a chinese auction.
I think frum chinese auctions are racist because the prizes are never things that are only used in discrete racial markets except frum markets. For example, have you ever seen an Indian product that they only use in India being auctioned at a frum chinese auction? Racists. That is why I will never give a cent to any chinese auction, except the one that I like to go to because my friends go and there’s separate seating so I get credit for a date but sit with my friends.
Also, if you call me during dinner, on my cell phone, I will either (a) not answer, or (b) answer. Those are the only two choices, and neither one leads to a contribution, except the chances are slightly higher if I answer.
Also, if you call me during dinner to tell me about your dinner, I only assume that someone else will call me during YOUR dinner, and how will I enjoy it anyway?
Also, once I went to a chinese auction, that served chinese food. But I’ve been told that in china they don’t eat what we call chinese food. They eat real chinese food (and mistama call it american food). So this was very confusing, and indicated to me that in china they also don’t have chinese auctions. They instead have regular auctions where you bid on stuff and the highest bidder wins and gives it to the rav, and they call it simchas torah auctions.
SDS: I’m sure if we keep saying pithy one line responses, we’ll eventually figure out what the other is talking about.
Here’s my contribution: time is relative.
PBA:
Your joking aside, I expected Sam2 to put forth an argument that would futilely attempt to defend the indefensible (MO/”RZ”). I did not expect grade school-type verbal attacks.
Yes, but can you really expect him to engage the argument that he and his rebbeim are ovdei avoda zara? Especially when it is obvious that neither you nor the people you are citing actually thought that (for example, if you did you could not use any major hechsher–do you not?)
sds: if someone has tens of thousands of extra hours to spare, why do you assume that studying Latin would not be at the expense of Torah? How could it not be?
Yet, not once have you explained why we don’t treat shomrei Torah umitzvos who believe in it as ovdei A”Z.
I’m actually machmir to treat everyone as ovdei avoda zara just in case.
Sam2:
With all your erudition and knowledge of both Torah and (lihavdil) Maddah, it’s sad that this is the best you can come up with when posting about me and what I’ve posted. Shabbat Shalom (in MO parlance).
What you expect from an oveid a”z?
No.
SDS: I don’t follow your question. Anytime you do anything it is instead of something else.
I’ve heard it explained like a beigel and tuna. Torah is the beigel, and the rebbe gives you tuna to put on it.
(Sorry Sam, I had to)
I think I’ve given up on Nadler.
Also saw it happen.
Only it wasn’t Rav Moshe-it was the creepy guy at work
And it wasn’t kugel–it was the lady he was carpooling with.
I do not believe the story about Rav Moshe zatzal.
I saw it happen. Only it was a little different how it happened.
It wasn’t Rav Moshe–it was my friend at shul.
And it wasn’t kugel–it was his 14th shot at the kiddush.
Charlie, the word “familia” is the same word we normally pronounce “pamalya” (see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/two-groaners) and is often found referring to the Heavenly Court, called “pamalya shel ma’alah”, and appears in the famous song “Kad Yasvun” attributed to the Vilna Gaon.
You might add: And is so widely known among bnei torah that VM used it in a joke.
Too bad I don’t also have a doctorate in old french.
“Was he unable to express his Torah without reference to literature?”
If you have to even ask that question you are clearly unfamiliar with his work.
“Or did he not care if people were able to understand it?”
His students were well-educated and he spoke in language that they could understand.
I’m a bit confused. First you seemingly take me to task for not being familiar with his works, but then you say that he spoke in a language that only his students could understand.
Also, for the record, his students were not well educated in literature. I’m friends with many alumni (alumnuses? alumnosouruses?) of Gush and they know less secular literature than I do.
I’m glad we found an example where studying latin for tens of thousands of hours can lead to figuring out one minor detail in a gemara.
I would like to posit that studying additional Torah for tens of thousands of hours would probably also lead to figuring out at least one minor detail.
popa- you are allowed to lie for Sholom, but not if it is a situation where you dont HAVE to do that specific thing. In this case he doesnt have to drive her.
Do you know that’s the halacha, or are you theorizing how you would make the halacha if you were Hashem?
you’re allowed to lie for Shalom.
That is incorrect. The story with Rav Moshe proves it. “If she doesn’t ask don’t tell”. That does not say “if she asks say I DIDN’T”. It’s more like ?? ????? ????? ???? ???
Good diyuk.
However, you’re allowed to lie for sholom.
Sure, same as any other Monday night.
When I was in yeshiva, there was an altah bochur who used to go to nightclubs every night, and would tell his wife that he was going to night seder.
He used to say that his whole life he was only able to tell the truth l’sheim shomayim, and now had finally found an opportunity to lie l’sheim shomayim–how could he not take it?
You’re allowed to lie for sholom.
PBA: I heard the Mashal he gave was like a bagel and cream cheese. The Torah is like the bagel. It’s the important part and what sustains you. But sometimes, if you have the other knowledge to use in conjunction with it, it tastes even sweeter. The knowledge of the natural world (and, to him, literature) was like the cream cheese.
That is very much worth discussion.
I’m more targeting the assertion that he expressed his Torah in terms of literature in ways that people without knowledge of the literature therefore will miss out on his torah.
Why do people need to come and complain, instead of buying ear plugs for 5 cents?
That is because the charedi community loses out in that they can’t understand the brilliance of the Torah of Rav Lichtenstein z’tz’l because they are unfamiliar with the literature he references.
Was he unable to express his Torah without reference to literature? Or did he not care if people were able to understand it?
Or did that not happen?
I went to a wedding on Sunday and the music was too loud. I decided to come on YWN and complain. So take that.
Is he jewish?
What if the woman is the sole support of her family and without this ride she has no Parnassah for her family
What if they’re both blind, and driving a google car, using google glass, and there will be other people in the car, but the other people are deaf?
Discussing yichud is a distraction to this conversation.
If you get dressed up and buy her flowers and take her for a candlelit dinner and a stroll along the Hudson River on the west side of Manhattan, that is also not yichud.
Your wife is correct. As a one time thing perhaps. But to spend 50 minutes alone in a car giving a ride to someone else’s wife every day for the next ?? Years is just a really bad idea.
But I have a better idea. You say both of you are married. So this is “shidduch crisis neutral,”. Why not both get divorced; you marry her and her husband marries your wife? Much more convenient since then you can commute with your wife! (That’s what this is headed towards anyway)
Popa, if you saw someone about to jump off a bridge, you wouldn’t be mechallel Shabbos to save him?
Not unless he had the din of a shoteh. You would?
Lets get it straight, you said it’s P.N., so anyone who is able to help – must! If he (the pt.) can’t or won’t, s/o else should. Many times pts. have to be restrained in order to treat them.
If this guy is committing suicide, I need to be mechalel Yom Kippur to save him? I don’t agree.
In fact you are chayav skila if you do not let him die.