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The fact that these people in said uniform assume that they have more Torah knowledge than a “pedestrian” out of uniform is, not only arrogant, but wrong.
Oh come on. The facts are true and based on very clear statistics.
There are more people learning for longer who dress like that. If we make the simple assumption that learning more is a good indicator of knowing more, we can easily say that a stranger has a better chance of being a talmid chochom if he is dressed like that.
That doesn’t mean it makes you a talmid chochom or is necessary to be one. It is just a siman.
Much like a fellow in a tweed jacket walking in Harvard Yard is more likely to be a professor than a guy in a suit in Manhattan. Wearing a tweed jacket doesn’t make you a professor, and wearing a suit doesn’t make you not one. It isn’t even a uniform. But if you’re looking for a professor, take my advice.
there are a tremendous number of people who wear Kippot Serugot who are also Talmidei Chachamim.
And there are plenty of civilians who know alot about the military. We can keep the moshol if we want.
It means fat.
(cshapiro, this is your cue to yell at me.)
Observanteen: Sorry, I do not understand your way of thinking.
You’re still seeing this from a perspective of what the other wants or needs to know. I’m seeing it from what I want and need (for myself) to tell.
I want to tell because this is supposed to be the person I can always tell.
I want to tell because I want her to understand what I’ve been through. To understand me.
I want to tell because I want a relationship where I’m accepted completely. With every aspect of my past present and future.
If the person changed, then they arent who they were in the past. That makes the past irrelevant to the present and future. Just like we dont hold against a person what they did as a child same thing if someone made some mistakes and learned from them and GREW from them then the past has no relevance.
This isn’t about blame or about holding it against them. You should want to be open with your spouse. You should want to share your struggles. You shouldn’t be afraid of rejection.
I dont know why you think a wife or husband has to know everything about their spouse.
I’ll put it this way: If you think your spouse would reject you if she knew things about you, then she doesn’t really love you or respect you, she rejects you. She is married to a phantom creature of her imagination. I don’t want my wife to marry a phantom; I want her to be married to me.
A healthy spouse only cares about who you are inside. They love you for who you are and what you have become.
Agreed. Which is why you should not be afraid to tell her. Because if you are afraid to tell her, it means you think she does not only care about who you are inside.
Besides, I don’t believe that things in your past have no influence on who you are. If you have overcome things and grown from them, they are part of you in that way.
<rant> I’m a bit surprised by some of the views in this thread.
I don’t understand how you can have a relationship with your spouse and be hiding elements of yourself from them. It doesn’t matter if it is in your past or in your future; it is part of you.
If you are afraid to tell your spouse something, that means she doesn’t have a relationship with you. She has a relationship with the person she thinks you are. I don’t want someone to have a relationship with ME.
I don’t see the purpose of such a relationship. You don’t get anything out of it, because you think that if your wife knew who you were she would reject you.
Well, why would you want a wife who rejects you? </rant>
Everyone is in the same boat.
You will fit in, like everybody else. You will be anxious, like everybody else. You will be happy and enjoy it, like everybody else.
Why do you think she has no idea. Probably if they have an open relationship he has told her. And she doesn’t discuss it with you because it is none of your blazes business.
And if they don’t have an open relationship, then they shouldn’t be getting married regardless of his past.
Is this from the machine where we pretend to get messages from kids with autism?
Because I don’t believe that stuff.
charlie:
I think there are different versions. I pulled those off the Maryland state website (it is still their state song?!).
The real lyrics, and these, are indeed offensive to anyone who loves this country. For example when it calls Lincoln “the despot”. And the stanza I quoted above which refers to “northern scum”.
(I have more to say about this issue, but it’s not for this happy thread.)
Does anyone know the deal with the KVH (Massachusetts)? The other hashgacha agencies have stopped recommending it in the past few years.
ummmmm
I don’t think it was right that everyone badgered Avigail until she told us her name.
Maybe. But I still think it’s a pretty name. Hee hee.
gal: A shayne coat is the best invention ever, and we wonder what took so blazes durn it long.
It is a long black raincoat made of thin plastic, which has a large hood which is big enough to cover a streimel or fedora.
Hmmmm. Avigail is close. Naval?
Give us another hint.
Is it in torah, neviim, or kesuvim? Or more than one?
Is it a good person or a bad person?
Isn’t that the name of a play?
I’m upset about people who claim to be upset about schools not taking English seriously who themselves can’t write a complete sentence in the English language.
Maybe he went to one of these schools and that is why he is upset?
Huzzah! Huzzah! Huzzah!
I’ve only heard that word in context of:
I hear the distant thunder-hum,
Maryland!
The Old Line bugle, fife, and drum,
Maryland!
She is not dead, nor deaf, nor dumb-
Huzza! She spurns the Northern scum!
She breathes! She burns! She’ll come! She’ll come!
Maryland! My Maryland!
I mean that I do not believe you are asking this question in earnest. I believe you are asking it to get an argument started which you will revel in.
I have done this myself a time or two hundred.
troll
my wife, who has a firm grip on hilchos tznius has just informed me…
A real tzanua wouldn’t allow herself to be quoted on the internet.
HaLeivi- I meant to apply it specifically here where Hashem praised Eretz Yisroel for this food. It would be kind of strange if Hashem showered the land of Israel with praise by calling it the land of bacon, because what kind of praise would that be for the Jewish People who can’t eat bacon? Similarly, Hashem is calling Eretz Yisroel the land of figs (among other things), what’s that supposed to mean to us if we can’t eat them?
I wonder also. The gemara is full of talk about eating dried figs. And drying them in the fields.
How the blazes did they eat them?
Probably it is speech therapy school, and it is a bit weird for a frum guy to be doing it anyway. In which case the guy might be just a bit odd.
And I’ll let someone else have the last guess. (Unless we each get three).
Wait! Maybe he was complimenting your last name. Is that a pretty name?
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Besides, if a girl is put together and is dressed in nice clothes i’d venture to say most Yeshiva boys do not get the difference between a shabbos to shul dress, shabbos afternoon dress, vort dress, motzei shabbos when you want to dress nice dress, etc.
I’d venture to say you’ve never been a guy. Why do you assume guys can’t tell the difference? Perhaps we don’t know by looking at an outfit which is which, but we sure can tell what looks better.
anyone with a basic knowledge of the Constitution would realize that such a law could never stand in this country if it was ever fought.
I’ll let you take that back. It was a 6-3 decision, and one of the votes was a concurrence, so only 5 justices agreed on why it is unconstitutional. Furthermore, the caselaw on which it was based was relatively new (the substantive due process caselaw for privacy which didn’t get rolling until like the 50s and 60s).
I think we can agree that the event as a whole is what calls for a mode of dress, and that we usually just dress the way everyone else does. I don’t think we need to disagree on that.
I am simply suggesting that the level of dress for girls on a first date should be higher than it is now. That’s all. So if it was considered normal, it would be that way. I don’t think you would look ridiculous dressing up on a date, any more than you do wearing a shabbos outfit to a starbucks.
Especially as some posters agreed that girls dress up for weddings to be noticed.
I recall once on a date the girl pointed out another couple where the girl was very dressed up. I wondered to myself why she was not dressed up as well.
I would have appreciated it. I bet most guys also would. I shined my shoes, and shaved and wore my best suit and nicest tie. I dressed far better than I do for a wedding. I did it for you. Do something for me.
Firstly, I do not know why you think that the nature of laws was significantly different in that regard.
Secondly, homosexual acts were indeed prohibited in many states until the supreme court struck them down in lawrence.
I understand that. But legalizing in those days meant accepting it as legitimate. In this case, the people have already accepted it as legitimate. The law is just acknowledging that. I’m not saying this is in any way better or different, I’m just pointing out that the signing of such a law might nit really make such a difference.
I do not understand what you mean. I don’t know what distinction you are drawing.
Popa, what about your second, that explains the first?
Hee hee.
42: Can you reinstate my first post on this thread please?
No, actually I was the second poster on this thread, and I called troll then. The mods deleted that post.
you don’t know much about girls it seems or dating for that matter
…you don’t know much about guys it seems…
mommamia22:
I’m not getting what you’re saying. You are endorsing dressing up at weddings to get attention from guys, but then not endorsing dressing up on dates to get attention from a guy you are actually dating.
If someone is the sister of the bride and she wears a gown to her sisters wedding, should she also wear the gown on a date?!?
Depends. Is her sister getting married on the date?
But I like that you agreed they dress up at weddings to be noticed.
Proofs you are a troll:
A. The question is ridiculous.
B. You never updated us with why it bothers you, which is highly relevant.
C. You also posted the thread about a 1st date who didn’t dress up. Then 2 days later you started this thread.
So in conclusion, you are a troll. Welcome. And goodbye.
Whats not believable about dressing appropriately for an occasion. weddings are fancy so girls dress fancy. hotel lounges or restaurants not so much.
DUH
That’s ridiculous. It is the occasion which is fancy, not the venue.
You would dress up for a wedding even if it was on the beach. You would dress up for an interview even if it was in a laid back office. You should dress up for a date.
+1
Our Gedolim, today, have ruach hakodesh.
Hmmmm. Mine don’t usually profess to have ruach hakodesh. And I suppose I really have no way of knowing.
And besides, they can only tell us through ruach hakodesh if Hashem decides to let them. So that may not happen.
Gimme a break. At least say you are dressing up to impress your friends. That would be half believable.
what are we, primitives, who look at natural occurrences and the entrails of dead animals to divine the mood of the gods?
Or are we modern people with a mature relationship with our Creator, whom we can trust to guide us more clearly?
Neither, we are Jews who follow the torah and the chachamim who told us that when bad things happen it is a sign we should do teshuva.
Blatant trolling.
Mods: You know this is a troll.
sorry, ronrsr, to call this a coincidence is pure apikorsus
Methinks someone doesn’t know the definition of “pure apikorsus.” Even if he’s wrong, being wrong != apikorsus.
I was thinking about this.
I’m wondering whether thinking apikorsus makes one an apikores. Just because you mistakenly think one wrong thing, are you an apikores? (That was my “Hmmmmm”)
you’ll come back at least purim time. And yom “ki”purim.
Hey look chayav is back
I see.
You NY-ers are such babies. Your rocking chair shakes and you call it an earthquake. The wind blows faster than traffic on the van wyck and it’s a hurricane.
Lemme tell you something. Where I come from, even the cars can drive 70 MPH
I honestly feel like the recent outpouring of “what is this trying to tell us” is both short-sighted and egocentric.
It is indeed egocentric, and it is just as correct. Chazal say the world was created for klal yisroel to learn and keep the torah. Everything that happens in the world is for the purpose. Indeed it is egocentric.
The gemara ?”? ? says that ????? ??? the goyim are going to come to Hashem and claim that all the things they built and did were all so we could learn torah. Hashem will call them fools. I have heard: Fools, not liars. They would not be able to brazenly lie to Hashem then. They are actually correct, it was so we would learn, but that was not their intent so they do not get schar.