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popa_bar_abbaParticipant
Is it feasible to say to a boy I need an answer in a week or the shidduch is off the table for after all you want the girl to go out with someone, not wait for someone to say yes, hopefully, eventually.
No, because it isn’t true. When he wants to date her, he’ll just call up a shadchan and say, “hey, can you call shprintza’s parents and tell them I want to date their kid?”
Would things be different if you mentioned the name to the girl first got her yes, and then went to the boy?
No, because it would change nothing. You would go to a boy, tell him sara wants to go out. He would say, “so does rivka, rachel, leah, bilhah, and zilpah; so I’ll think about it and get back to you if I’m interested.” And when he called you back, you’d better believe the girl would still be interested.
Would it force an answer sooner if he knew that a girl (not just a shadchan) was waiting for an answer?
That it would. In which case, he would say “yes” to bilhah, and “busy” to sarah rivka rachel leah and zilpah.
Really, when guys don’t say yes or no, it isn’t because they are being jerks. It is because the answer isn’t yes or no. It is, “well, it depends what my other options are. I can’t be expected to divide all girls into yes and no, and then go out with the yes girls in the exact order I find out about them.”
And if you don’t like it, become Modern Orthodox. I hear they can change the torah, maybe they can change nature also.
November 15, 2011 12:34 am at 12:34 am in reply to: Modern Orthodox people (and sometimes Popa) are stupid #1041202popa_bar_abbaParticipantThanks for bumping!
November 14, 2011 4:10 am at 4:10 am in reply to: What is the difference between a seminary girl and a cell phone? #825940popa_bar_abbaParticipantOkay, haha you guys had your fun. Now can you please knock it off before this turns really offensive? Thanks.
There they go again. Queen Bee, I don’t know much about you, and I am sure you either are or will be an excellent mother.
But, you will never be MY mother.
November 13, 2011 7:58 am at 7:58 am in reply to: Modern Orthodox people (and sometimes Popa) are stupid #1041181popa_bar_abbaParticipantI don’t usually sit down for davening at all. Or use a siddur.
I basically use a siddur only for:
A. long tachanun.
B. rosh hashana mussaf
C. Yom kippur
D. yontiff mussaf (the korbanos)
E. borchi nafshi
F. rosh chodesh mussaf (what, I don’t know it.)
November 13, 2011 5:46 am at 5:46 am in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847892popa_bar_abbaParticipantThere are already plenty of singles events. That is not a chiddush, or the solution.
November 13, 2011 2:12 am at 2:12 am in reply to: What is the difference between a seminary girl and a cell phone? #825929popa_bar_abbaParticipantbh: nice!
November 13, 2011 1:55 am at 1:55 am in reply to: Modern Orthodox people (and sometimes Popa) are stupid #1041169popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m not smart enough to understand what you just said, but it sounds to me like we agree.
How we perceive it irrelevant. And how it really is is also irrelevant.
November 13, 2011 1:10 am at 1:10 am in reply to: Modern Orthodox people (and sometimes Popa) are stupid #1041167popa_bar_abbaParticipantpopa: I’m confused. Your OP seems to be arguing in two different directions. Elucidate?
I don’t know what you mean by that.
I am making one point: It is not harder for G-d to do things one way than another, and therefore, everything we see as nature may be irrelevant in G-d’s view.
What two directions do you see?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPopa,
its been a while since you started a thread like this, what’s pshat?
Happy now?
November 13, 2011 12:16 am at 12:16 am in reply to: Modern Orthodox people (and sometimes Popa) are stupid #1041161popa_bar_abbaParticipantIf a tree falls in the woods, and there’s no one around to hear it, does it make a sound?
Ah, thank you. I was going to include that, but I forgot to.
Yes, if a tree falls in a forest, and nobody is around to hear it, I have absolutely no reason to think that it makes a sound.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantsmartcookie: you need to jump on these things.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’d like to see the guy get a job 10 years out of college. Good blazes luck with that.
November 11, 2011 7:31 am at 7:31 am in reply to: What is the difference between a seminary girl and a cell phone? #825925popa_bar_abbaParticipantcoffee, good notice. I do have my old subtitle back. But it’s missing the “occasionally WAY over the top” part.
You are all missing the point of this thread. I know the joke is about boys, that they don’t have a plan. I am saying that the girls who are marrying them also don’t have a plan. And it doesn’t matter that they know they will be a speech therapist- their plan should be what their husband will do, they are willing to marry a guy with no plan, which is the same as the guy having no plan.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNews flash: Being Jewish does not depend on some external mitzvas like tefilin and tzitzit.
As zeeskite rightly pointed out, mitzvos are not external. Maybe that is why you have trouble understanding this.
Being jewish is based on having a jewish neshama by being born to a jewish mother or converting.
What is a Jewish mother? Aren’t all mothers women? I don’t know what you are talking about.
based on the logic of your OP it would seem that baby boys until they are a few years old and capable of doing mitzvos are not jewish either. Why don’t they need geirus?
Because they have a bris.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI think you do it, and let the court and prosecutor decide what to do. That is their job, after all.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPopa,
its been a while since you started a thread like this, what’s pshat?
All my threads are like this. You just don’t even realize it anymore.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantPopa- Did you know that your screen name next to your post, it is a link to this thread?
Actually I didn’t. That is hilarious. I must have missed it when Charlie brown pointed it out also.
November 10, 2011 5:02 pm at 5:02 pm in reply to: You know you're not a yeshiva guy anymore when… #1197490popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhen earning an honest buck seems more honorable than sponging off the community.
That’s a stupid thing to say. Nobody is sponging off the community in America. The only people who contribute are those who value what they are doing.
Pathetic.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI see. So you have concluded that each is for a different reason. Well, I have concluded otherwise.
Why do you assume your conclusion is more correct than mine?
November 10, 2011 5:22 am at 5:22 am in reply to: You know you spend too much time in the CR when #1197298popa_bar_abbaParticipantYour wife asks you what your cousin’s name is, and you shriek “Joseph” and call the police.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNo, I agree with you. I am just pointing out that most of the people whom rabbi adlerstien would kick out of his tent, rabbi broyde would also.
November 9, 2011 2:46 am at 2:46 am in reply to: I can't believe what President Obama and Sarkozy said about Netanyahu!! #824883popa_bar_abbaParticipantJust because someone is critical of Israeli policies or Israeli leaders doesn’t mean they are unjustified or wrong.
Depends which policies. If for example, they are critical of Israeli policy of allowing toeva rallies, then they would be correct. If for example, they are critical of Israeli policy of protecting us and killing terrorists, then they would be- as you say- “unjustified” and “wrong”.
November 8, 2011 6:03 pm at 6:03 pm in reply to: I can't believe what President Obama and Sarkozy said about Netanyahu!! #824873popa_bar_abbaParticipantI wasn’t surprised in the least.
Sarkozy is a frenchman. We jews have experience with the french, and it isn’t good.
Obama has shown his colors plenty of times as well.
November 8, 2011 12:59 am at 12:59 am in reply to: Why I'm going to let my kids run around in shul #824483popa_bar_abbaParticipantThanks for bumping my thread. It really is an important message for everyone.
November 6, 2011 5:40 am at 5:40 am in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847775popa_bar_abbaParticipantYes, I agreed with that post from aries also, but I wasn’t sure what the point was.
We all know that girls mature faster than boys. But that is just the way it is. The 20 year old guy is not immature, he is a 20 year old guy. He is acting age appropriate.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’ll address the BTL part.
I guess your asking because you have some delusion of using it to go to law school.
If that is the case, it is a very bad idea. You will need to score in the top 1% of LSAT test takers to have a chance at a good school, and even that the good schools, half the graduates are not getting jobs in the big firms anymore.
And unlike other jobs, in the legal field, if you don’t get a job in the big firms, you make about a quarter the amount and still work the crazy hours.
Plan your own life, but yeshiva —> law school, is not a good plan.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantAries: So I take it you disagree with the story from Rav Yaakov also.
It seems to me though, that he is correct. If the behavior is age-approriate, then there really is nothing wrong with it. A 3 year old who climbs on tables is not making bad “3 year old decisions”, and a 7 year old who talks about human waste is not making bad “7 year old decisions”.
Baalsechel: As I have opined on these boards; I think there are enough times in life to teach kids lessons in situations where it actually makes sense. I don’t need to teach them in situations where it doesn’t make sense, just to get the message in. So if they aren’t doing anything wrong in this instance, I’ll wait for them to speak lashon hara and teach them that they can’t “say anything they want”.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI would do it for 150k.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantBecause, as you said yourself, kids who get used to dirty language will turn their “human waste” into four letter words. Which I don’t advise.
I suggested it might be so. I don’t know if it actually is. But even if it is, I suggested from the story with Rav Yaakov that it shouldn’t matter.
Also, I started this thread on friday.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantWhy don’t you advise it?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantmind over: But why?
akuperma: Agreed. Kids take after parents.
But usually, they take after what parents do, not what they “approve”. So, you should not speak like that, and they will also not when they are adults (they wouldn’t anyway).
Also, you are just saying to express disapproval. I agree, you should express disapproval- but you shouldn’t stop them.
November 6, 2011 1:12 am at 1:12 am in reply to: vehicles with Hatzala permits not moving during alternate parking #825006popa_bar_abbaParticipantAlternate side parking is also illegal.
No it isn’t. You are wrong. The DOT parking permit allows you to park in “No Parking” spots, without any condition that it be for a good reason.
November 4, 2011 9:27 pm at 9:27 pm in reply to: A Little Bird is Calling- wriiten by Malka Saks. #1048217popa_bar_abbaParticipantAlso, I heard a decently funny version of this song, with a bird hit by a truck and a homeless guy, and a turkey. I don’t think I know all the words though.
November 4, 2011 8:36 pm at 8:36 pm in reply to: vehicles with Hatzala permits not moving during alternate parking #825001popa_bar_abbaParticipantHey! Get a stinking grip!
These people leave their families during the shabbos meal, leave shul on yom kippur, leave their jobs, leave their bed, etc.- all so that you shouldn’t have to call a taxi when you get a broken arm or a cut that needs stiches.
I’m ok with them taking advantage of their legally granted perks. The DOT permit does not say it can only be used during an emergency, and that isn’t the law.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNo.
Is it safe to say that if one follows a psak of shammai hazaken that he is on solid halachic grounds?
November 3, 2011 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847708popa_bar_abbaParticipantpopa_bar_abba
It will not happen, but it is the only non-neis solution.
I agree with that. I am just surprised that you actually seem to think it is also a good idea.
November 3, 2011 1:32 pm at 1:32 pm in reply to: If you've read "NASI Project Responds", have you changed your mind? #847700popa_bar_abbaParticipantGAW: Wait, you actually think guys should get married at 19? I thought you were just saying that would be the only mathematical way to solve the problem, but I couldn’t imagine you were endorsing it.
Well, good luck with that one.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantCongratulations!
popa_bar_abbaParticipant(see http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/changed-topic-of-shiur-do-i-have-a-right-to-be-disappointed). I don’t think such behavior is ok, do you?
Wow. I missed that the first time around. This is some excellent mosherosing, and not at all consistent with his usual hit and run kanaus.
November 2, 2011 2:57 pm at 2:57 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #824009popa_bar_abbaParticipantNASI (AZ): You don’t really help your credibility, when you play games with us, pretending to not be who you are, and to not know what you know.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantYou can help by paragraphing often. I won’t read a paragraph if it has more than like 8 lines.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantNot meaning to change the topic, but another difficult question is how to interact at work with Jews married to non-Jews.
I once had a supervisor who was an African American man. We used to shmooze a lot, and once he asked me what our community felt about intermarriage.
After I answered, he tells me his wife is Jewish. Blazes!
November 2, 2011 2:18 pm at 2:18 pm in reply to: Nasi Project has a new approach, I hear. Is this a nasty rumor? #824005popa_bar_abbaParticipantheh heh. 19 year old guys.
We’d have a different shidduch crisis. Women not being willing to marry kids.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantphotegenic: I am very confused about what you are asking.
Do you mean because they are the other gender?
Or do you mean because they are non-jews?
Or do you mean because they are non-jews of the other gender?
popa_bar_abbaParticipantDid you try that first, before coming looking for other ideas?
🙂
popa_bar_abbaParticipantobservanteen: I don’t think Jothar said anything has changed. You should always be practicing internet safety.
Especially since we have our very own confirmed creep.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m with Team Jothar! Keep up the chessed!
popa_bar_abbaParticipantI’m with Team Jothar. Keep up the pressure.
popa_bar_abbaParticipant2) We thought the property was in the shul’s name. Get it now?
(in sing song voice)
I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you. I don’t believe you.
popa_bar_abbaParticipantThe landlord (whose shul we pay rent to)
We CANNOT be a part of this.
Dude: You’ve been paying rent to your landlord’s shul for years, and now you think maybe it’s a scam?
You’ve been knowingly part of this for years.
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