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If you lack an advanced degree in either medicine, epidemiology, or some other related public health field (mine is in biostatistics), you have no basis on which to claim that the medical advice regarding vaccines is inappropriate nor do you have the ability to even evaluate the anti-vaxxer propaganda.
Sure, if you agree to only have opinions in your area of expertise, I’ll agree to only have opinions in mine.
Is it a deal? I have semicha, so that means you can’t express (or even have) any more opinions about halacha.
So for example you couldn’t say: Not vaccinating your children also violates the prohibition of following in the ways of the sectarians: The State of California found that the school that had the largest fraction by far of unvaccinated children was the one run by the Berg Kabbalah Centre cult.
Nowhere near the danger from the disease. About a hundred people used to die from the varicella virus each year in the US. The vaccine for varicella was introduced in 1995; in a dozen years the number of deaths had been reduced to six. The number of deaths in the US from the vaccine has been zero.
Was there anything different about those 100 that you could predict who the chicken pox would harm and who it wouldn’t? Why not just vaccinate those people at risk?
But it’s to your benefit as well, according to conventional medical knowledge, which is what we accept l’halachah.
I don’t believe that’s the case. Certainly nobody is making that case.
That goes both ways.
How so?
Because you’re pushing medical intervention on me for your benefit that could be harmful to me. So you should also contemplate the moral issue of possible self interest vs. the potential to be the cause of harm to others.
It is an obligation to listen to the doctors (Maharik Shoresh 159, Shevut Yaakov 1:65, Yalkut Yosef Kitzor Shulchan Aruch Laws of the Doctor and the Obligation to be Cured 2). As this is a public health matter it would seem that he authorities should compel parents to vaccinate their kids.If they do not are their kids become ill they would chayavim b’dinei Shemayim (as it is gramma).
Presumably that is talking about where the doctors are acting responsibly and giving you medical advice that is appropriate to you. In this case, the doctors are giving you medical advice that is not appropriate for you (or at least they haven’t even contemplated whether it is), for the benefit of other people.
That’s without even contemplating the moral issue of possible self interest vs. the potential to be the cause of harm to others.
That goes both ways.
Chicken pox can be dangerous to some people, and a small percentage of people can get it a second time or after vaccination.
Vaccine can also be dangerous for some people.
Chicken pox?
That’s the big risk of not vaccinating now? The annoying rash that everybody in the world who is over 30 got as a kid?
coffee’s joke also works with a race between a zebra named tadir and a wolf named sheino tadir.
I am a 3L.
Graduating in 5 days. wooohooooo.
Because the Bostoner rebbe lives in Boston, duh.
So the maskana is that litigators are cheaters, but corporate associates are malachim?
These types of conversations and (what I see as) the resulting ethical dilemmas happen every day at every major firm.
Really?
I don’t say Tachanun on Yom HaAtzmaut. Don’t make sense to say it after Hallel.
Agree, if you were saying both, I’d think it would go before.
Two days later he showed up at my home schnorring for some bogus charity. He wouldn’t leave my wife alone (I was not home). She called him out saying the charity was bogus, as there’d been a notice in the shul bulletin about it. He wouldn’t take no for an answer or leave, she had to call the police to remove him from our property. Ever since then I don’t put my home address and/or number where unknown people can find them.
How do you know it was the same guy? Also, what would be the connection between seeing your name on tefilin bag and coming to your house? Your name was on the brass tack anyway.
I was at the mall last week, and they were announcing on the speakers that would the parents of some doofus come to customer service.
And I’m like, why not just tattoo your name to the kid’s cheek?
RTOTY award?
We could do other areas of law.
Suppose you’ve been engaged by operating business to do a public debt offering. You will work with underwriters’ counsel to draft several hundred pages of disclosures. What ethical issues arise?
Yehudi lo megareish yehudi
Thanks CT. I’m not sure I follow the theory of the case notion.
But I am going to push back on the not guilty plea concept. If the law viewed a not guilty claim as synonymous with stating that you didn’t do it, then they would not be permitted to ask the defendant to plea at all, since that is the same as asking him to incriminate himself.
Halacha only precludes a guilty plea in a capital offense. Other crimes the court can accept a guilty plea, per halacha.
What are you saying? If a person admits to a sin that is chayav malkus you think beis din believes him and gives him malkus?
If a client admits guilt to his attorney, the attorney cannot put him on the stand if the attorney knows the client intends to lie. The attorney also can not plead the client innocent and present an alternative theory of the case. The attorney can plead innocent because of mental defect, diminished capacity, etc. and attempt to win the case that way.
CT: But the lawyer can put in a plea of not guilty and make the govt prove its case.
Also, not sure what you mean they can’t present an alternative theory. The defense can still present true evidence and argue it indicates something.
CTL: If a potential client admits his guilt to a capital offense to any potential attorney he speaks with, no attorney can plead not guilty on his behalf?
Of course the lawyer can, and should. Pleading not guilty is not saying you didn’t do it; it’s just saying the government has to do its job in proving it.
If we required people to claim that they didn’t do it, that would be requiring them to testify against themselves. Which is illegal under the constitution, and under halacha also.
I refuse to get involved in this discussion.
How much would your opinion cost?
So explain that. You mean suppose the hedge fund managers are planning to break the agreement and take more money than they’re supposed to?
You think in that case they would tell the lawyers? Why would they?
And not sure what you mean that big investors would rip off the other investors. Hedge fund investors aren’t involved in running the hedge fund, so how would they rip anyone off. They’re usually like pension plans or insurance compainies or states or countries.
Sure so let’s take an example
You’re a lawyer and you work in a big firm in the hedge fund group. Your job is to write 100 page agreements that only lawyers can read and negotiate them with other lawyers. Sometimes you also represent the investors and negotiate the 100 page agreements that somebody else wrote. You argue about things like should the person running the hedge fund be required to devote “substantial time” or maybe “substantially all his business time” to the hedge fund. And whether the hdege fund should invest only in publically traded securities or also in some over the counter securities.
What halachic dilemmas do you expect to arise (other than shaving during sefira)?
You guys are all shkutzim and apikorsim, and when moshiach comes we’re gonna laugh so hard at you.
Civil and family lawyers also, often, knowingly make claims in court that are false, especially if they think it isn’t provable otherwise.
What is a civil lawyer? Of course they don’t. Why would they?
I don’t mish with you on shabbos.
No clients to rip off, no clients in need assistance in ripping off other people, no letting criminals go free, no locking up innocent people – and I haven’t missed a meal except for taanisim.
You’ve got to be kidding me. You don’t seem like you understand what lawyers actually do.
Being a lawyer is probably the most honest profession.
I learned today a mmnemnnic device from barbri.
Just remember TERJNKHUIPOKLJ!
Secondly, there are two distinct aspects to any kashrus organization; the Poskim, who set the halachic policy, and the Mashgicihm, who ensure that the halachic standards are actually being kept up. So even if I do trust the Posek of a camp/school to set the halachic policy, how can I be sure that that halachic standards are actually being upheld?
Because that’s the rav’s job to worry about that.
The kashrus in a camp is the job of the camp’s rav. Same in a shul.
Joseph, it’s incredible how you vacillate between strongly defending adherence to halacha, and then abruptly advocating positions that can only be defined as inventing halacha.
100 is higher than 39, so can overrule him.
I agree with WIY. Quite well informed, that one is. http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/website-daven-for-me#post-155082
Popa, I would definitely agree that that would be far more powerful, but it’s still very possible that thinking of someone else’s needs, even when your own are so pressing, is still a segulah along the same lines.
Yes, but why? Isn’t it because you are being selfless and prioritizes someone else’s needs ahead of your own, so Hashem prioritizes your needs?
So then if your real goal was to prioritize your needs, and you were just told that this is the best way to do it so this is how you’re doing it–does that still work?
I mean, aren’t you basically taking the gemara’s message, which is “be selfless and care about other people” and using it to promote your own needs?
Ubiquitin: I take your question well, but your answer doesn’t work for me. Why can’t the gemara’s message just be that the way Hashem works is that He wants you to prioritize other people’s needs above your own?
Also, DY should link the old thread about this, eventually.
A person can have two kavanos simultaneously, so the fact that she davened for the other person in order to find her own shidduch doesn’t completely negate the segulah.
I don’t know if I agree.
The segulah I understand is the fact that you davened for the other person and put their need ahead of yours. If you were doing that for your purposes, then I don’t think you’ve earned the segulah at all.
when a person davens for someone else (be it for a Shidduch or a baby or refuah etc…) you always get answered first. do you know someone who needs a Shidduch? then give her/him a list of other people needing shidduchim to daven for. it always works & the davener is always answered first
Well, in that case I guess we can prove that oilyhair was not davening for her partner, or oilyhair would have been answered first.
But wait, how could both be answered first?
Anyway, this is all narishkeit. It obviously doesn’t work if you are davening for the other person for the specific purpose of being answered first.
Will you go to the wedding?
Not only that, I’d even save her from the other shepherds.
How is it a problem in Israel? There are way more frum ashkenazim in Israel than in America.
(Frum includes not eating kitniyos. An ashkenazi who eats kitniyos is not frum)
Tons of places.
Bronx zoo, prospect park zoo, brooklyn acquarium, six flags in nj, etc.
Its not so easy to go to your Mother-In-Law and not eat her food and not let the grandchildren eat Savta’s cooking
People who are BTs do that all the time. They don’t say, well, my in-laws eat bacon and it’s not so easy to go to your mother-in-law and not eat her cooking.
It says in yirmiyah that he took the sefer and put it in a pot.
Quinoa has bugs.
The Gra is quoted by his talmid Rabbi Hillel Rivlin (“Kol HaTor”) as sayingthat just before Mashiach comes this sin will infect those who hold on to the Troah. Rav Teichtal says (“Em haBanim Semeicha”) that opposition to our return to EY is this sin.
So basically, you have so much emunas chachamim that if the talmid of the gra said it will happen several hundred years ago, then it must be what is happening now.
Very nice.
Today’s chachamim disagree. How about some emunas chachamim on dem apples?
You’re a sinner.