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shlucha, being mekasher to a Rebbe after he is deceased is not a Lubavitche thing. Yidden of all stripes and in all times davened and daven at the kevarim of our holy tzaddikim.
But the difference is that many Lubavitcher still think there Rebbe is alive often saying יחי אדוננו or יחי המלך.
Many Lubavitche think that the Rebbe runs the world.
Lubavitche have decided that there Rebbe is Moshiach.
These three ideologies all rolled into one are very similar to the cult of Christianity. Thinking that the Rebbe runs the world is pure apikorses.
Yeserbius, what to Moshiachisten mean when they say
יחי אדוננו?There’s the thread “Sleeping in the Succah” that spins off with Chabad. I will not repeat all here but you are invited to check it out and unfortunately what farbycoffe is saying is not true about many Lubavitchers.
I must say I am absolutely shocked how many Lubavitchers, hopefully not most, think and talk about their Rebbe. It definitely is very similar to Christianity. Check out that thread if you are interested.
I will say here again that no Rebbe runs the world in any shape or form and it is apikorerses to say that regardless of what sichos say what or excuses and explanations you want to give.
aposhitayid, I am not finding you harsh, on the contrary I hope I do not sound harsh, I am not looking to personally attack anyone. I’m sorry we are having this discussion and this is tsishukling me that frum Yidden would think like this.
I have had arguments with Christians and they would also try to put their beliefs “into context”. The verse means this and that and the trinity really means this or that… it’s all shtissim. Let’s get back to the basics, there is no context where we can say a Rebbe is running the world. No context at all. I’m telling you this sounds very similar to Christianity.
Even if HKB”H is mekiim what a tzaddik is goizer, whether it’s a bracha or a klala, it is one little teeny aspect in the bigger picture of reality. The universe and reality is so grand and beyond our understanding, only God can run the world and we cannot say otherwise regardless in which context you would want to frame it in. Hashem runs the world, period. This is the essence, the core of Yiddishkeit.
Another missionary family was just uncovered in Israel.
Avirah, you are so right, it’s very scary. The ideoligy of “frum liberals” is that they accept abhorrent behaviour as normal and that “they can’t help themselves and we need to accept them the way they are”…their children see this and internalize it and it has bought serious consequences.
aposhitayid, any “Rabbi” who says that their Rebbe runs the world is a fake rabbi, I don’t care if he has a large black hat and a frock and learns a lot. A real Rabbi has such fear and awe of Hashem, as much as he looks up to his Rebbe or tzaddikim, he knows good and well that אין עוד מלבדו and that his Rebbe, as great as he is, is only a בשר ודם and if Hashem wants or doesn’t want something there’s nothing a Rebbe can do to change that.
What are these stories supposed to prove? That Hashem כביכול runs to do the bidding of Rebbes even if it is against His will?! That Rebbes are subjugating the will of Hashem so that He does their bidding?! This is not what these stories tell us and it is absolutely apikorses to think like that. It is as Avirah says, that a tzaddik’s will is (usually) in sync with Hashem’s and in cases where it is not Hashem’s will to do what a Rebbe is goizer, it will not be mekiim.
Do you think that your Rebbe runs the world or not?
I blame Israel for staying in the UN where she keeps on getting bullied continously. There are many countries that are not part of the UN. By staying on as a member, Israel grants legitimately to these pack of wolves.
The problem with many secular Israelis, especially those in the political sphere, is that they constantly seek validation of other countries. This places them in a weak position and they are used as a punching bag by these UN terrorists to get the attention on Israel and away from the human rights violations in their own countries.
Avirah, the US government is spiraling out of control, the people are becoming dehumanized. If you think we are guaranteed safe here, think again. I hope Moshiach will come before the US collapses, because those days are imminent.
Yeserbius, well the time has come that now when so many members of the school boards, principals and teachers in public schools are perverts and self-hating racists and people who belong behind bars and mental institutions that parents must speak up.
If someone would say Moshe Rabbeinu runs the world I would consider him to be crazy. The Torah is clear on this and our real Rabbonim made clear: only Hashem runs the world!
Anyone who thinks a Rebbe runs the world is not being a God-fearing, frum Yid and their religion mimics Christianity. Christians believe in a god of three, the trinity, they together are considered one, this is avodei zara. Thinking that a Rebbe runs the world, that God does whatever the tzaddik decides should be done, is a religion of “twinity” or call it any other name, but it is avode zora 100%
God is One! Everything that happens is His will, if He wants to do what a tzaddik is goizer He will, if He doesn’t want to, He won’t! No tzaddik has the power to run the world, only God!
Arightwriter, you did say something similar but not exactly the same, virtual reality is only VIRTUAL but in the times of Moshiach it will be a reality that is REAL. It will more real than the physical reality which we are in now.
If the internet is an example of how technology is used by humanity I’m predicting that virtual reality will bring more tumah into the world than ever before. I daven Moshiach should come quickly and we should be exposed to the REAL reality of a world that knows Hashem.
Whatever financial gain Zuckerberg will have from Meta, I am predicting such a (fake) world will be the (virtual) reality despite that fact that people will rant about how evil it is (and it definitely be evil). People will become addicted to it and not be able to tear themselves away from the virtual reality while cursing it at the same time just like they do with Facebook, tick tock, Instagram, etc.
Novelty, the point is that you can’t refer to your becoming a BT over 15 years ago, which is not that long ago, but still there’s a huge difference from then to what is the reality today.
Novelty, you always take the conversation back to your personal history. I asked you when you became a baal teshuva. Perhaps I missed your answer somewhere, but I do not think you responded to me on that. Not do you have to. But you should know that if you became a baal teshuva 10+ years ago then your personal by history is not relevent to the topic being discussed here about making baal teshuvas nowadays.
aposhitayid, what are you trying to say that it’s ok to say tzaddikim, or in this particular case, the Lubavitche Rebbe, runs the world? That is a fallacy and sorry to be blunt but it is apikorses to believe that.
A tzaddik can be goizer and Hashem will be makayim but only if it His will to do so. Hashem is in full control, He is the One who runs the world. There were many great tzaddikim who were goizer things that never happened, ultimately everything is in the hands of Hashem.
The little I know, I never heard of anyone pushing anyone to enter a bad marriage. Nobody here suggested that. We are talking about continuing a marriage that has gone sour.
I don’t judge anyone for divorcing in such a situation, nobody should go through life feeling pressured to stay in a bad marriage.
I do admire people who try to stay in a bad marriage (of course as long as there is no abuse going on). I believe that choosing such a life is not in vain.
There’s another issue being discussed about hiding mental illness before marriage which is a terrible thing to do. However, no one is sating that people must get married to people with mental illness.
Of course, no one should hide anything. If people believe they have a mental illness they must discuss it beforehand. However, I must insert here that many people are being misdiagnosed with mental illnesses when most of the time it’s about middos and has nothing to do with mental illness. Technically all human beings can be diagnosed with mental illnesses in one way or another, none of us are perfect.
ujm, there’s arranged marriages and there’s arranged marriages. Today’s arranged marriages are not like like the arranged marriages of previous generations when it was almost given that the two people who their parents decided to get married would get married. Today the parents vet the buchar or girl and their families and decide if their children should meet but that’s where it ends. It is up to the boy and girls to decide if they want to get engaged or not. This is accross the board, in all sectors of the Chareidi world.
The higher rate of making a marriage work is not just how the marriages are arranged, but within the Chareidi world people generally want to make marriages work out and the key to that is to work on one’s own middos. In the MO world the drive is not so strong to make marriages work out for a variety of reasons.
So I listened to Cunin’s speech and it really sounds similar to Christianity, that speech should’ve been condemned. He clearly said that the Rebbe runs the world. I don’t care who wrote what sichah and what it says there if it says that a Rebbe runs the world then it is simply wrong. Hashem runs the world, period.
Glad to hear that.
Gadolhadorah, I think you are mistaken. TDS may hit you in full force when Trump starts campaigning in 2024.
Gold has actually been pretty stable, the value has not changed much over a year and the value it gained in previous years were pretty much in tune with inflation.
Haleivy, you have a point. Potatoes and I think corn as well seems like good commodities to invest in.
I am actually shocked to the core that Lubavitche whose Yiddishkeit seems to revolve around being mekarev Yidden do not marry BTs. I always assumed that they don’t have a problem being zich meshadech with BTs. I think this is extremely unfair.
Chassidishe are generally not meshadech with BTs unless there are issues in the family. Geirim often have an easier time with shiddichim in the Chassidishe world. But Chassidim don’t make baalei teshuvas. If you are not comfortable that your child marry a BT then don’t be mekarev them because you are obviously not comfortable with their yichus so how can you just bring these people in and drop them like hot potatoes as soon as they are frum and let others take care of their issues…that to me sounds horrible.
It is absolutely ridiculous to say say that it’s engaging in zenus if you don’t get along with your spouse. I am estimating that at least 20%, and likely more, of frum marriages, are with spouses who do not/or lose respect or liking to one another. Not only in this generation are there such marriages, but in all generations were there such marriages. With marriages that were completely arranged, I would not be surprised if the unhappy marriages were closer to 40%.
I say kol hakovod to those who MUTUALLY decide to continue to be married despite really wanting to divorce. To say such that people in such marriages engage in znus is not only ridiculous, but it’s a disgusting thing to say.
Gadolhadorah, agreed. A cure for all “mental ailments” is available for free in the CR.
I’m really confused why someone who knows that Hashem gave him life and everything in his life would ask such a question. Perhaps someone could clarify why a Yid would not answer with a “burach Hashem”.
CK, only a liberal can think of an average frum person making connections with someone who is wealthy that they should bail them out, take charity, a loan, etc. Most frum people work hard and earn a living honestly. Yes, charity is b”H given beautifully in this community but it is because so many give, not take! Our lives do not revolve around which rich relatives can bail us out! That’s why the frum communities are productive communities.
Candaleza Rice spoke out against CRT and says that blacks are not victims and neither is it productive to disparage whites based on their skin color which is what CRT is all about. Candace Owens, the black conservative says the same. As do many prominent black figures say the blacks are not victims and that CRT is garbage.
IMO the biggest pushers of BLM and CRT are liberal whites. White liberals feel virtuous that they are on the side of the “poor victims of racism” so they are pushing a narrative that is totally skewed.
Every time I hear the term “mental illness” it makes me mentally ill. Everyone has issues, we are here to grow. It’s ridiculous that everything and everyone has turned into a “mental illness”. The term “mental illness ” is for people whose brain cannot compute normally and they don’t talk and act coherently. Everyone else has challenges that they have to overcome. It’s so nausciating how the surplus of therapists, pshycotherapists and psychologists has created this illusion with everyone having some sort of diagnose.
This is due to the influence of the goyishe world. Now the overdiagnosed US population is getting their national “suicide prevention hotline”. The reason there are so many suicides is because everyone is diagnosed as a victim in one way or another instead of being taught that we are here for a purpose and that purpose is to use our God-given talents to make the world a better place. Instead, all these professionals do is hand tools to these poor victims to enable them to feel worse.
CK, who said I have a problem saying that whites have killed Jews and that many whites are racists? It’s the truth and I never said otherwise. I never said ALL blacks have murdererd people and and that ALL blacks are racist. I said that there are many racist blacks. And that blacks have murdererd Jews but Jews have not killed blacks. And btw, blacks do commit the highest percent of crime and murder. That’s a fact whether you like it or not. Blaming it on their circumstances is stupid. Look at the Jews’ circumstances after the Holocaust, our grandparents were not better off. Today blacks have more opportunities than anyone so with blaming their circumstances you are blaming the circumstances of their own making.
I never, ever said that I don’t like blacks because of their skin or even that I hate all blacks. I judge people according to their actions, unlike you who claim to judge people for their actions yet excuse them if they are black. I said there are many racists among them just like every race. They are not victims and if they want to live successful lives they have the possibility to do that according to many successful blacks who don’t kow tow to you liberals idea that they are victims.
How do you know I am affluent? I have no clue what members of my community are, I don’t look into their pocketbooks and if some of my friends are affluent I have nothing from that, I’m just happy for them.
Goodness, now I see who these white liberals are marching for blacks and with blacks who demand “justice” over nothing except that their own obsession and hatred of their black skin. Now I see who these naive white-skinned self-haters who are promoting CRT destructive classes are.
Naftush, of course, according to “the literature” everyone is a victim today in one way or another.
Novelty, actually I misunderstood. I didn’t realize you were talking about missionaries getting in
Novelty, indeed if a Jew wants to return Hashem will guide them in the right direction.
CK, you have some chutzpah. Blacks have killed Jews, many blacks hate Jews, I have personally had blacks displaying racism towards me. When have you ever seen Jews do that to blacks?! Never!
I have been in a very dangerous situation on public transportation where two blacks said they’ll kill me and described the way they’d do that. I played it cool like it didn’t concern me and went off the next stop. A frum Jew would never do that!!!
The reason so many blacks are in prison is due to their own violence and most often it’s against each other.
The chutzpah of you to say what you did about us! The only time we say anything is if a black person actually does something bad. Frum people treat blacks with respect. Go get help, perhaps by the blacks you so love, you don’t deserve our respect.
Crazykanoi, and talking about black vs white mobs, I have seen black mobs looting and rioting, setting fire to cities and businesses, setting fire to police stations AND FEDERAL BUILDINGS for months with no consequences whatsoever.
I feel it’s total hypocrisy and the blowing up January 6 out of proportion for political purposes by the Democrats, that’s how I feel.
crazykanoi, In liberal cities blacks are out a bit after they are arrested, many don’t get arrested for their crimes at all ( I’ve personally been witness to two such stories where the cops let the BLACK CRIMINALS off the hook without taking them in after commiting CRIMES that I, and my neighbors, were witness to in my neighborhood). Some serve a bit and are out on the streets again in no time doing their crime. More white people get killed by police than blacks but no one gives a hoot.
You talk about Trump supporters being delusional but you Democrats are totally delusional. And how do you call yourself a a kanuoi when the leftist Democrats are pushing agendas that are abominations? You are a kanuoi for the crazy leftist liberals, you gave yourself an accurate posting name.
Ujm, is that a joke? The Australian government is worse than the Israeli government.
ujm, where is it written the “deadline” that girls have to marry? According to halacha women do not need to get married.
The little I know, some girls feel ready to get married by 16, do you support that?
I don’t believe it was the previous Satmer Rebbe who bought the ALREADY FRUM Teimanah to America and Kiryas York, I think it was the current Satmere Rebbe. But it doesn’t matter which Satmer Rebbe it was, the Teimanah were already frum, there was no seeking to make them baalei teshuvas, only to give them an opportunity to continue their mesorah. I think the previous Rebbe bought some Argentinians to KJ, but again, they were frum people prior to their arrival in KJ as well.
Teimanah and Argentinians who didn’t shtell zich tzi to the Satmere rules, they couldn’t fit into the Satmer mold, weren’t welcome anymore. I’m not saying it in a way to bring out any negative aspects of either the Teimanah, Argentinians or the Satmere, I’m just saying that the Satmere are very on top of keeping out influences they don’t desire.
I also don’t think it’s a good idea for the US to send billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. At a time when the US is deep in debt (too much overspending by us politicians), it is not good for Israel to be taking these billions of dollars. Neither can the US afford it.
Is there a stable country that has frum infastructure, shuls, moisdos, etc. to invest in real estate at this time? I don’t consider Israel to be stable due to the government which is run almost like a dictatorship. The US is out of course. I don’t think it will last much longer.
ujm, how is that relevent to the conversation? The Teimani were 100% frum.
Novelty, your story is just proving my point. We need to protect what we have and not open the door to missionaries as is becoming more common these days. It is not about throwing out the baby with the bathwater, we need to protect our kids and our communities, not lower our defenses to a world that is looking to devour us.
And again, we cannot have people claiming to have Jewish grandmothers, and then becoming frum and integrating in our communities when they can just as well be equally non-Jewish or Jewish. And on top of that, kids who were bought up in the secular society of pro-lgtbq have serious mental and emotional issues that can be a virus c”v, and on top of that, frum families doing kiruv in today’s secular world is a danger to them. It is beyond our capabilities to do kiruv without endangering our own children and communities.
I have been talking against kiruv for years already. As time goes by I see more and more how right I am about this issue. And I’m right simply because I’m realistic. I don’t let people guilt me into changing the awareness of reality with the hype of “we need to love our fellow Jews”. There’s a place for that too in Yiddishkeit of course, but this is not what Hillel meant, to let the dangers in within our midst. We are not smarter than our gedolim of previous centuries when so many assimilated for many reasons and there was no mass kiruv movements. While 15+ years ago kiruv was doable for many reasons, today, outside of Israel, kiruv is not a viable option anymore.
ujm, we are talking about girls from our heimishe communities, not some hillbillies from the South who do not have normal functioning families and have extra-familial relationships. Just because these kind marriages used to work for them 100+ years ago does not mean that it works today. 95% of these marriages are a total failure with disfunctioning and broken families.
Today we need strong marriages. Girls and boys need to have an understanding of themselves and what they are looking for a spouse. Of course, working on our middos is extremely important, that is the basis for a successful marriage. But before that, it is important for bucharim and girls to know what type of frum family lifestyle they want and to be mature enough to marry.
Excuse me, if there’s systemic racism it’s against whites. Black businesses are promoted, not white, black history is promoted, not white, black artists are promoted, not white, blacks are admittied to university and college based on their skin color, not whites, I can go on.
The racism I have felt as a Jew was from blacks, not whites. So stop it with the systematic racism against blacks. It’s ridiculousl.
My comments are not meant to disparage blacks, I have had good encounters with black people as well.
All I’m saying is that racism exists within the black communities just as much as in the white communities. Blacks have just as many opportunities today , and oftentimes more, than whites. They are only victims of their own disfunction within their families of missing fathers and out of wedlock children.
There are many, many blacks who say what I’m saying; BLACKS TODAY ARE NOT VICTIMS AND STOP MAKING THEM INTO VICTIMS!
Novelty, I am all for sending a message to society that there’s a Creator of this universe and we cannot live a life of immorality. When I see Jews supporting politicians that are pro-toiava I become very upset because it defeats the purpose of our existance. It is our job to send a message to the world of the purpose of creation. I think we should protest immorality, whether it is through ads or protests. That is not the same as kiruv.
AviraDeArah, many years ago, when I was still a teenager, so we are talking over twenty years ago, a girl worked in my family business. She was from Russia and supposedly a baalei teshuva. But we found out later that due to an error she was really non-Jewish. So when I asked someone who knew about the case why she still dressed and acted Jewish and stayed within the community they claimed that they invested too much money to just let her go…thinking about this I get mad! I have no clue what ended up with that girl. This was over twenty years ago!
There was a story in Hamodia about a Russian teenage boy whose mother, who was an alcoholic, claimed that she’s Jewish and therefore was allowed to attend avJewish camp. He wanted to travel to a yeshiva in England but for whatever reason that I can’t remember now his mother didn’t give permission for him to go. However they had a yeshiva ready for him and would he be able to travel to England he’d be accepted into Yeshiva simply because his alcoholic mother claimed that she was a Jew. The article clearly enunciated that point that they had no way of verifying his Jewishness so they checked with a Rav who ruled that they could believe his mother…
Recently there was a story of a baal teshuva who found out after already having einklach that he was a non-Jew! Since he’s a make his family didn’t have to undergo conversion but can you imagine a believing he’s Jewish, wife wife marrying him as a Jew, bringing up a Jewish family… I have no doubt, as generations have moved further from their Jewish ancestry, that many people assume they are Jewish, whether due to adoption, or their grandparents converting through the Reform movement, that such stories will be much more frequent if this “baal teshuva movement” does not stop.
Whom are we trying to bring into our communities? The secular world today is worlds away from the society it was 15+ years ago. This has to stop.
We have unfortunately lost millions of nefashos throughout the millenias, Jews taken into slavery, forced conversions, the Enlightenment, assimilation, etc. The Jewish nation has survived and will continue to survive because Hashem promised us we will stay a nation despite losing so many of our people. We daven that Hashem should send Moshiach and return all the lost people to our nation. From our part, is not right to mess with a situation that cannot be rectified at this time
…I meant making the blacks feel sorry for their own ancestors selling their own people to slave traders…
I wish there would be an edit button to be able to edit mistakes…