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ubiquitin, Professor Sucharit Bkhadi, MD and a number of his colleagues warned about the danger of cerebral vein thrombosis from coronavirus “vaccine” shots. They said that these gene-based injections cana travel anywhere in the body including to the brain.

According to WHO, from March 12- April 21 there were 12 reported cases in the US of cerebral venous sinus thrombosis caused by the the coronavirus shots. There were many cases reported in Europe. You may say that is a tiny percent of the many shots given, however there are undereported cases and we don’t know the long-term affects of these shots. In any case, as I stressed repeatedly, I think that generally the initial two shots will not adversely effect the majority of those who received the so-called vaccine, however I believe that “booster” shots, especially if they will continously be given every few months when the eficacy of these shots will wear off ( provided they had any efiacy to begin with…) will definitely cause serious medical issues in recipients.

Talking about the Delta varient, most covid-19 tests do not read the Delta gemone sequence and all standard tests do not test for this varient. It is media and Fauxi propaganda that spreads talk about the Delta varient as if it’s a given fact that almost all cases today are the Delta varient. In any case, coronavirus cases today are definitely mutations from the original lab-created varient as coronavirus today is only 1% fatal compared to the 2% of last year.

rightwriter, I agree with you 100%. I wrote a long comment which was not posted, how we can learn from history of not so long ago regarding rights slowly being stripped while people closed their eyes to it until it was too late.

Reb Eliezer, first of all, my point here is that “vaccinated” people can spread the virus just as easily as unvaccinated people, with less likely spread from those who already have naturally developed antibodies after contracting the virus previously. So those who got the coronavirus shot should stop feeling so self-righteous for supposedly saving the world and stop bullying those who don’t want the so-called vaccine. These sham vaccines are not preventing the spread of the virus.

As far as these “vaccines” saving lives, for that you have to believe VAERS and the CDC to be entirely truthful. Which I do not believe they are. First the CDC claimed and misled people that the “vaccine” is 99% effective in preventing infections and spread of infections and the percentages keep on going down. I will also not get into VAERS numbers, the fake flu numbers as well as other major diseases dropping in unprecedented percentages which makes absolutely no sense while covid-19 numbers are “spiking”. As well as there being an average global death rate for 2020 despite millions of people dying of covid-19…The numbers do not add up.I Again, I’m not going into all of that, however I will again say that I do not believe any of that. At this point the covid-19 death rate is 1% and there are no studies at all how many of these were vaccinated. We do know that in Israel many of individuals who died of covid-19 were “vaccinated”. I would be surprised of CDC does a full investigation of how many people globally died from coronavirus after getting the shot. And formerly healthy individuals are complaining of serious side affects of this so-called “vaccination” but manufacturers are disregarding it with only myocarditis and mytosis being officially recognized as a potential serious medical condition that may develope in young people who got the mRNA coronavirus shot. As of yet, they are NO CONTROLLED STUDIES DONE AT ALL ON CELL BASED SHOTS so everyone will come to the conclusions based on whether they believe corrupt, inept governments and lying MSM or not.

On July 27 the CDC released a new study showing Delta infection resulted in similarly high SARS-CoV-2 viral loads in vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

2cents, I agree my beliefs need not be a concern of others. This thread is titled “covid vaccine for children” and the opening thread asks for opinions on this topic which is what I gave and I also explained how I arrived to this conclusion. Whoever is not interested in my opinion need not read my posts, I am not holding a gun to anyone’s head. I am simply responding to the title and opening post.

As for sources, I have not asked anyone posting on this topic to cite their sources and neither will I cite my sources. To find out this info you don’t need to run to the library and pour over numerous books on cell biology. If you are sitting at a computer commenting on TYW likely you can also access the vast amount of scientific information at your fingertips and research that info yourself. It is very simple, you can type in Google subject line, “mRNA transport into nucleus”. You can also research vRNA (virus RNA) transports into the nucleus and mRNA-proteins (mRNP) into the nucleus. There is no one source, there is a mountain of sources stating that RNAs and also proteins (which the coronavirus vaccine is supposed to make the cells produce) enter the nucleus. The key word to use is “transport” not “enter” . When you are asking can RNAs enter the nucleus Google beings forth articles stating the vaccine’s mRNA do not enter the nucleus. However when you write can RNA transport into the nucleus, you see a wealth of scientific published articles prior to the “coronavirus vaccination’s” release, you can find a wealth of articles on the subject of RNAs and proteins entering or reentering the nucleus.

I believe that every individual should be able to make their own decision regarding getting the coronavirus shot or not.

I believe it will cause harm to more individuals under 18 years of age than coronavirus. That children may be carriers of coronavirus is not an ok excuse to inject them with potentially very harmful substances. Hashem is the One who decides who will live and die and it’s disgusting and ridiculous to inject a shot that HAS ALREADY caused death and serious illnesses in many teens when coronavirus has almost no impact on those under 18 years of age.

Emes nisht sheker, indeed every day our understanding of science increases, what we know today is not absolute. This does not change the fact that chochma bagoyim which I’ve never said there’s none, I said it’s the right of individuals to choose medical treatment according to their beliefs. You realize that chochma bagoyim doesn’t mean that all goyim believe in the safety and effectiveness of the vaccine? Your goyishe “chochumim” are not bigger than mine… What’s the point of derailing the argument over irrelevent topics? Chochma bagoyim, y”g ikkrim, what else will you bring in this discussion to prove absolutely nothing? The knowledge in the scientific and medical world is always being aquired, the knowledge is never absolute, only Hashem knows everything including everything there is to know about the effects, specifically the long-term effects, of this vaccine which no one on planet Earth knows at this point. There are many medications and treatments the medical and scientific commuity has put their faith in that turned out to be dangerous or non-effective. The medical world is always evolving and more knowledge aquired, oftentimes disputing previous findings. Nothing is absolute only Hashem, regardless of chochmas bagoyim. It is so not relevent to this topic unless you are so naive and don’t know the history of medicine and medical practices. Do you also believe in scientists spouting atheist propaganda? Do you think that many scientists and doctors don’t have ulterior motives? Don’t be so naive.

My beliefs are based on I what think are logical conclusions and therefore I call myself philosopher. Logic is not a contradiction with belief. My belief in Hashem is based on logic. Due to the finite nature of human brains we cannot comprehend Hashem until Moshiach comes and therefore belief is required, however there is nothing wrong, in fact it is very Yiddish, to base our beliefs on logic and thought. Abraham Avinu aquired knowledge of God through his logic of understanding that the universe could not have come into existence on its own.

I am mischarcaractherizing nothing of what you said. You have a right to think what I said regarding the coronavirus shot is a loaf of garbage, you don’t have a right to be rude about it.

emes nisht sheker, You are not being what the posting name you gave yourself because Dr. Malone is factually the inventor of the RNA vaccine as well as one of the greatest experts in the field. He was the first person to introduce the concept of mRNA vaccines to the scientific world and yes that was in the 80s which was when they actually started working on this technology. Do you think the technology popped up overnight? It took decades to take it to where they could use it without the mRNAs being destroyed by the body’s cells. That there are numerous little websites disputing the fact and it being promoted by Google to “educate” us, does not change that fact. In any case, he is certainly is more knowledgeable than you so I take his words over yours regarding the so-called “coronavirus vaccine”.

As far as me talking about DNA producing RNA, where does evolution come into the picture? Nowhere. It has nothing to do with the evolution, it is simply about what was first at the time of Creation and I have said that we do not know, no human being can know what Hashem created first. The argument had absolutely nothing to do with evolution and is only about if it is scientifically accurate to say that RNA is produced by DNA. You did not understand what I said so it’s ridiculous to comment on it.

There are many doctors and professors in this field who are against this vaccine. There are many doctors who do believe that taking the vaccine is the right thing. Every individual is entitled to believe in which professionals they choose to believe. Who are you to decide in which professional an individual should believe in and regarding what individuals feel are the facts of this vaccine? No one has to agree with your opinions on this subject.

The same for the Rabbonim you mentioned. They are certainly gedolieh hador and please do listen to them but you need to understand that there are other gedolie hador who disagree with them on this topic and also that they are not the poskim that all of klal Yisroel relies upon.

It is absolutely chutzpah to call me an apikoros for not agreeing with you. In fact, I believe that Hashem made human cells with such unfathomable chochmah that we should not mess around with them. Yes, one should take medication to treat disease but I believe that messing with the human body on a cell level verses targeting a specific disease already in the body or strengthening the immune system through regular vaccines, are completely different things. You can certainly disagree with my opinion based on what your Rabbonim paskened and based on what your doctors say. This does not bound me in any way to your decisions.

Calling people names is what the liberal reshuim do so don’t think you are being atzaddik here.

Sam Klein, you are 100% correct.

ubiquitin, whatever. I already wrote where you were wrong more than once and you ignored it. I’m not going to repeat the entire parshah again 50 times like you enjoy chewing over my words over and over and over again.

I suggest for all who are “immensely interested” in who was right here to research the topic yourself.

Anyway, in other news, the inventor of the RNA vaccine, Dr. Robert Malone is saying there is no data for people to make informed decisions regarding the covid-19 vaccine and he thinks that those in the age category of 18 years and younger should not take the vaccines as the risks from getting the shot are greater than from covid-19.

Yesiurbus, I love how you say the INVENTOR of the mRNA vaccine is using “inflammatory language” about his own invention! Lol! He’s just being honest like a scientist should be and wants the vaccination to go through relevent trials as every medication and vaccine does for many years prior to its release.. He’s also being honest about the known side effects and says since covid-19 barely affects children under 18 the side affects of this vaccine can be potentially worse than the virus.

And that is considered inflammatory language…

Ubiquitin, I can bring up many mistakes you made regarding the DNA and RNA process but I’m simply not interested in repeating myself so many times over and over again. I don’t know how you and another poster keep at it going over the same tiresome repetition just because I don’t agree with you.

Yesiurbus, I have said I am apologizing for grammatical mistakes and now I am mentioning mistypes as well. I wrote NUMEROUS that ithe vaccines modifies the cell’s response that nobody challenges, and that is what I meant to say. I also wrote NUMEROUS times that I BELIEVE that these vaccines can modify DNA and RNA. So I made a mistake in what I wrote originally and you keep on harping on it when YOU MADE quite a few FACTUAL mistakes yourself but I don’t go around repeating it with every new comment I make, I only repeat in my responses to your continuous rounds of attacks on me.

Your posts are quite infantile by constantly repeating the same things over and over again that which I already repeatedly answered to.

coffee addict, yes but the Yisroelim that left Egypt were still slaves themselves as well prior to leaving with their “payments”.

Yeserbius, my I never said that it definitely changes the DNA, I said it that it may affect the response of DNA and I said nothing to do with hair color or making them taller rather how it responds to sickness and infections.

rightwriter, participant has a point. He’s fed up with these stupid leaders getting away with murder and not running the cities, states and countries normally with the convenienent excuse of covid-19. I understand exactly what he’s talking about with government federal and state buildings and offices shut-down and operating on a lower capacity when what took a day now takes weeks with no one to talk to on the phone and so you end up needing to wait even longer if there’s a document you were supposed to submit and did not because you had no clue that you had to submit it.

This stupidity is because the government is using your tax dollars for such stupid things they need to shut down the government partly and covid-19 is their convenient excuse. (That’s why I don’t understand how “Participants” supports the reparations of supposed “inheritance” for the blacks which will be one of the woke, out of control, spending things that will totally destroy the USA financially)

And the covid-19 craziness in Israel is a cover for those in power who want more power. Look how it’s turning out for them after forcing everyone to take shots and forcing business into closure for practically forever. And there are foreigners who can’t fake stuff like many do and they have no access to their own properties for the last 14-15 months. It’s insane.

Health, if you are bringing up the Holocaust because of what I wrote then I want to clarify that I am not excusing at all what the Nazis י”ש did, am I excusing any nor any nation or race who murderers or oppressed people. I spoke about the victims perspective that our mentality as descendants of Holocaust survivors is not mired forever in victimhood (and that’s why the Jews were so successful after the Holocaust while blacks are least successful being they are wallowing in victimhood) and we are not en-masse descending on Europe demanding what is coming to us as descendants of Holocaust victims. That was my point in bringing up the Holocaust.

If we take Israel as an example of how the covid-19 “vaccine” is working in a country that has vaccinated 80% of its citizens, the highest vaccinated population in the world per capita, they are now are now pushing off their date of opening to individual foreigners until August 1st instead of July 1st as originally planned, due to the new Delta coronavirus varient! This is is over 14 months of them closing the border to foreigner travelers (with only a small exception of yeshiva students and close relatives coming for simchas). This entire testing and hyperfocusing on the coronavirus is absolutely ridiculous. The virus will not go away because of human effort.

When hospitals are overflowing with patients then it’s a time to close borders and place citizens in quarantine, otherwise life needs to continue as usual because they cannot be finished with this through human effort. Viruses cannot never be entirely contained, eradicated or stopped from spreading, there’s no such thing. Viruses can only become extinct naturally (through Hashem’s will) . Hashem created viruses because the world needs it to exist and only he can make them extinct. The covid-19 virus is a result of human tampering but still could only do the damage because it was Hashem’s Will. And when it will be His Will then the virus will become extinct from this world and not a moment before regardless of masks, vaccines, closing the borders, quarantines, etc. And that’s why people need to return to normal life and stop with these narishkeiten.

Participant, indeed, the reality that you described is nothing less than insanity.

Participant, reparations for descendents of slaves for what? No one alive today was a slave so there’s no on to pay reparations to. Do you think Holocaust survivor descendents can ask for repeeations from Germany? No, we cant. Billions of people are descendents of slaves, of misplaced people, of abused and oppressed people. They should stop making blacks into victims because they are not.

Health, why doesn’t it make a difference? I’m not talking about the outcome, he likely would become mayor regardless of the Jewish votes. But it’s a real chilly Hashem and a vote against Hashem to vote for someone like him. The fact is that whoever votes for him is putting someone in office who will make NYC more immoral than before the people before the flood.

I don’t think we can stop the tidal waves of immorality but we can speak out against it like Noach did and be saved. To vote for those who support and advance these terribly immoral agendas is a terribly big sin. My question is where is everyone who is supposed to lead us? Only Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l spoke against voting for these evil sinners.

I think our tafkid involves both, working to elevate what we find is easy and enjoyable for us to do while at the same time work on being mesaken our bad middos.

ubiqutin, I can’t not defend myself although I said I won’t do it anymore. I don’t know why it bothers me that you are saying that I am making things up. Just because you are not familiar with many aspects of molecular biology does not mean I am making things up. I will not bother providing citiation; this is the 21st century and you can look things up easily.

It is not clear to scientists what came first and they are continously debating whether it was DNA, RNA, proteins, or other molecules. This is a study called abiogenesis which we don’t believe in because we know Adam Harishon was created whole so everything was created at the same time. However I bought it up the so that you understand there there is nothing definite in where the process first starts so scientifically there is absolutely no issue with saying DNA makes RNA because it all depends how you look at the process.

Look up the Central Dogma of Molecular Biology

If Covid-19 affects or doesn’t affect the DNA is totally irrelevent to if the shot affects the DNA or not. However the answer is that, no covid-19 dos not affect the DNA, it is just the opposite, DNA affects how the body reacts to covid-19. However, this has nothing to do with the shot. You cannot extrapolitate that if a cell’s DNA or RNA reacts in a certain way that synthetic medication given in a variety of forms that interact with cells to ellicit a certain molecular reaction also will react in he same way. This needs to be studied in conteolled studies as all medication is done for years before reaching consumers and it was not done with the release of the covid-19 shots.

You said that mRNAs do not return to the nucleus. That is compltely untrue. Many types of mRNA return to the nucleus as do proteins. I will not bring any citation, this info is readily available on the internet and easy to find.

Just because you are unfamiliar with every aspect of molecular biology does not give you the right to say I am making things up. Molecular biologists study this subject continously for years before knowing what is already known to us. So certainly you don’t know everything that is known about this subject so don’t jump to conclusions that just because you don’t know something someone else is making things up.