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Reb Eliezer, the J&J shot uses DNA which is just as bad as mRNA, and theoretically even worse because it definitely goes into the nucleus of cells. The J&J shot has caused very serious diseases for many, particularly in young adults . Again, I’ve said it a few times and I’ll repeat it here; it is true that the majority of people who got these cell-based shots did not have adverse reactions however I think that booster shots will definitely cause serious illnesses and I have already heard of very serious adverse reactions and even deaths of those who got booster shots. I don’t see the point in this. These shots’ immunity, if there is immunity at all, are extremely short-lived and breakthrough cases of those vaccinated are as high as 74% according to one study. In Israel it is currently at 53% while the unvaccinated positive cases are only at 43% , so what is the point of this? I know people say that with the “vaccinations” the cases are not so serious, it’s only one percent, however these percentages are rising and I’m sure there are many undereported cases, but in any case, the numbers of serious cases are on the rise.

It is not a good idea to play around with one’s body. However, I believe everyone should do what they feel is the most comfortable and beneficial for them. I don’t have a problem with those believing in the shot, I have a problem with people forcing others to take the shot, whether it is the government or private employers doing the forcing, no one can be coorced into something they are against.

Reb Eliezer, our bodies are continous hosts of microbes and viruses. To eliminate these viruses is to eliminate life. We cannot eradicate the manmade covid-19 virus either. It will become extinct if and when Hashem wills it.

The Torah commands us to be careful about our health and it doesn’t mean to muzzle our mouths indefinitely and hide in our homes- that is the goyishe liberal way of thinking they will “deal” with a problem that they can do nothing about. They try tried to flatten the curve by lockdowns and masks and the monster still escaped and is around. They are trying with these so-called “vaccines” and the virus is still spreading. They are blaming all who won’t play their game that will never stop.

So what do we need to do to guard our health? Eat healthy, non-processed foods, including raw fruits and vegetables, do excersize ( excersize is extremely important for a healthy immune system) and maintain healthy lifestyle habits like getting enough sleep. Ultimately, life and death, health and sickness, is in the hands of Hashem.

Calling those of us who don’t want a jab of these cell-based shots “anti-vaxxers” is very misleading and reveals how non-informed the bullies are. Traditional vaccines boost the immune system by giving the body a bit of the virus or disease to boost the immune response to these illnesses and viruses. In the vast majority of cases these vaccines work very well to prevent infection.

Cell-based shots are technically not vaccines, they don’t boost the the immune system in the traditional way; they are supposed to “teach cells how to respond”, in this case to the covid. However, by injecting DNAs, mRNAs, or proteins and vectors, the body does not become immune to covid. First CDC said that people in hospitals and those who died of covid-19 after recieving the so-called vaccine, is only .1%. Now that rate is climbing, in some states it is now at 4%. People who were “vaccinated” are losing their immunity at a rapid pace, requiring a booster shot a mere 2-4 after recieving TWO initial shots. In some cities we are getting a 75% infection rate from breakthrough cases of people infected after recieving these so-called “vaccines”. It has been proven that those who are “vaccinated” and those who are not, carry the same viral load if infected and transfer it at the same rate. So why are people screaming at those who don’t want it if those who are “vaccinated” are spreading it just the same?! And how exactly are these covid shots the same as traditional vaccinations which in the majority of cases actually prevents people from getting infected and transferring it others when these covid shots don’t help prevention and spreading of the virus?!

The mount of brainwashing about this so-called “vaccine” despite the fact that it doesn’t prevent virus spread, and despite accounts of death and very serious side effects attributed to these shots, and despite the fact that it is still in trial stage. The suppression of info on lifesaving drugs that treat covid-19, the forcing of people to take this so-called “vaccine” despite it’s serious side effects, and the forcing it on young adults and children is absolutely criminal.

So Health, you tell me why they aren’t recommending these safe medications if they are effective and have no side effects. You tell me why the government, social media, and the MSM are pushing shots that are not lowering the covid-19 positive rates and in fact they are rising since they started injecting millions of people. Look at the charts, the rates were getting lower and lower, Israel was ready to open it’s borders and then they got this bright idea to give these experimental shots and look where it got them ..but call me a “conspiracy theorist”, it won’t change reality unfortunately.

Ubiquitin, well, obviously I found that info now after searching for quite awhile but knowing what I’m looking for because I had already seen it. Without seeing those articles a few weeks ago I wouldn’t search so long for something that I already knew had to be out there because I’d seen the articles about it already. Btw, I read an interesting article on the wall street journal website titled “How Google Interferes with it’s search algorithms and changes your results” published on Nov 15 2019. Google definitely hides what it doesn’t want us to see.

I searched earlier and found articles on covid-19 spike proteins diffusing into the nucleus. I didn’t learn my lesson about Google well enough and closed the page. When I wanted to bring the article back, no matter how much I searched, all the results I get from Google are about the covid vaccine protein spikes and not one article is coming up about covid-19 protein spikes! I had to use a lot of tricks with using many different terms to finally bring the article back. Google for sure knows to hide stuff they don’t want people to see and push the things they do want people to see.

Now with everyone focusing whether the covid shots mRNA enter the nucleus or not, this seems to be a hot topic people are researching cause there are tons of articles Google is spitting up how covid shot mRNAs don’t enter the nucleus, how about the fact that proteins enter the nucleus? So spike proteins produced by the covid shot can very well enter the nucleus but many articles claim that it doesn’t. Well, the covid-19 spike protein itself diffuses into the nucleus so I do not believe that the “vaccines” spike never enters the nucleus.

ubiqutin, I was too hasty yesterday, not really reading the articles as I didn’t have the time to do so and skimmed through the articles too quickly missing the line about the mRNAs exiting into the cytoplasm. Indeed, those two articles are actually the same. Sorry about that.

Now I see why you can’t get find the articles about mRNA transport into the nucleus as I originally did because I can’t find them all these articles either, they seem to have disappeared. Call me a conspiracist, but these articles seem to be censured by Google as I am sure I am not the only person researching this top trying to find info about mRNA transport into the nucleus due to these “vaccines”. All info on mRNA, vRNA (besides for that one article I posted about vRNA) and mRNA-proteins being transported into the nucleus have disappeared. And the reason I appear to have “predicted” extracellular transport of mRNA into the nucleus article is because I knew for a fact that mRNA transports into the nucleus as well as exports. That is a new study about extracellular tranpsot but not the fact that about 20% of the mRNA is transported back into the nucleus despite Google currently hiding these articles. This is so surreal, I can cannot believe that Google is going to this extent to hide info from the public. Now every time I search for articles on “mRNA transport into the nucleus” most of the info coming up is about the vaccine or mRNA export from the nucleus.

However, since I knew you won’t believe me that I really read the articles about mRNA being transported into the nucleus, I did some sleuthing and finally uncovered one article. I am sure there are plenty more hiding but they must be searched well to find them and I’m at the present not inclines to do so. It is indeed a pity that I didn’t post my sources when you asked for them, there were a lot of articles talking about this topic, many containing excellent diagrams.

Here is the article I found of mRNAs being transported into the nucleus
degruyter .com/ document/ doi /10.1515 /bmc-2014-0018

if that doesn’t work after you delete the spaces then it’s on degruyter .com website published in 20014. the article is titled “Regulation of Line-1 in mammals”
It seems like you enjoy reading these comprehensive articles, but if you are not in the mood to read through the entire article, I found the paragraph under figure 1 sums my entire premise.

There’s another interesting and revealing article on the subject of mNRA “vaccinations” published on December 2, 2020, before the vaccine rollout, but well hidden to the public, of course. It was published on sciencemag. org . The article is titled “Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects”

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Syag, I never called myself an anti-vaxxer. I gave my kids all the required shots so why would I call myself an anti-vaxxer? The coronavirus “vaccine” is not a traditional vaccine. It doesn’t keep people from getting the virus nor from passing the virus. There are serious KNOWN side effects where people are simply discarding because they feel it’s a relatively small percentage of people getting the side effects. However, the risks may in the end be far greater of getting serious adverse affects from these shots than from covid-19 particularly in younger people. There are no long term studies that are done on every vaccine and medication put out on the market, but for this so-called vaccine the public are the lab rats.

I find it highly suspicious that the government wants to force these shots on people who are already recovered from covid-19, on kids and on young adults, these are all people who have an extremely low chance of death or developing serious medical issues from covid-19. Almost every single case of death or serious illness from covid-19 in young adults and children was because of co-morbidities of prior illnesses. I find it suspicious that the government with it’s pro adoptation of the slogan “my body, my choice” has no compunction in forcing people to accept an experimental vaccine. The excuse of the government is that this prevents the spread of coronavirus to those who are immunocompromised, but they know good and well that there’s no real immunity with this vaccine, therefore they want to force mask mandates, some governments are enforcing lockdowns again despite a very large part of their citizens being “vaccinated”, and they are encouraging (and likely eventually forcing) people to get booster shots.

There are those who will say these shots prevent serious symptoms when getting infected by covid-19 and therefore these shots “must” be given to everyone, to that I say that everyone has the right of “their body, their choice”. People deciding not to take the vaccine have a right to refuse due to their beliefs just as those who BELIEVE these shots to be beneficial are basing their opinions on their beliefs. To base ones opinions on government directives is stupid, the government claims that one can change their genders as well which is scientifically impossible. Many governments throughout history forced people to do stupid things, it doesn’t mean that in 2021 they have your best interests in mind or that the are not stupid. If you think these shots are great that is your belief, at this point in time there are no definite conclusive studies at this point.

emes nisht sheker, I specifically spoke about the Jews of Germany where the anti-Semitic laws started first and not about Galicia or Poland. Many German Jews forsaw what’s coming, (although they probably couldn’t imagine in their wildest dreams how bad it would be, but they understood that Jews will be targets) and therefore they liquidated their assets and fled the country. There was a possibility of doing that prior to the war but many German Jews were complacent thinking it will blow over, they believed the Germans were cultured and it they never dreamed the Germans would commit such crimes against them. In other parts of Europe, in Hungary for example, the Jewish leadership constantly told the Hungarian Jews that nothing will happen to them and they were misled while they had time to escape. I am not bringing this from my own made-up historical version, I am repeating what I read in history books and Holocaust biographies.

Ubiquitin, as far as the coronavirus shot traveling to different parts of the body than the covid-19 itself, I concede that you are right, they may both travel to the brain, I just took what professor Bhagdi said as proof and forgot about those who developed DVT from the virus itself. However regardless, it has been established these shots itself can cause deep vein thrombosis, myocarditis, pericarditis, and neurological adverse conditions.

If people want to talk about the elderly getting these shots I see their point. However for those who have already recovered from covid-19 and for younger people, and certainly for teens and children, these shots can cause more adverse reactions and deaths than covid-19.

Thanks for pointing that out about Bhagdi. Regardless, there is proof that the coronavirus shot can travel to the brain as we have seen cases around the world of cerebral vein thrombosis caused by the shot.

rightwriter, you are 100% right. It has always boggled my mind that Jews in Germany were ok with their rights slowly being taken away by Hitler y”s and his henchmen. And then when they couldn’t escape or liquidate heir assets anymore they were pushed into cattle cars to be “relocated” to work camps…and the Jews believed them until the end. The same was with Jews all over Europe after hearing of the Nazis atrocities, they didn’t want to believe what was happening.

And now as more and more of our basic rights are being taken away and people are bullied into submission, foolish people keep on excusing the behaviour of those in power grabbing more and more power and taking away our basic rights and our choices through intimidation, threats and bullying. And now with “infrastructure bill” (+ the next 3.5 trillion dollar bill that’s coming afterwards) they are going even further, wanting to rob us of more rights and money. It’s so clear what is happening, the invading the privacy of our cars, milage taxes and unlimited spending of taxpayer’s money by those in power.

ubiquitin, Professor Sucharit Bkhadi, MD and a number of his colleagues about the danger of cerebral vein thrombosis from coronavirus “vaccine” shots. They said that these gene-based injections can travel anywhere in the body including to the brain.

Vaccines are supposed to give lasting immunity. When you get a polio or measles vaccine you don’t get polio or measles; that’s what vaccines are meant for, to prevent you from getting viruses or diseases, not to get jabs with a so-called “vaccine” but still have to socially distance and mask up indefinitely( not that I believe in masks) . A shot that you need to socially distance and wear masks indefinitely is not a vaccine in any capacity. Neither is it working if you need boosters every 2-3 months because the efficacy only last that long ( which I’m skeptical if it even lasts that long).

I have said previously and I say here again, that I believe that for the majority of people two jabs of these so-called vaccines won’t cause issues ( although I’m not sure about it long-term, I am also assuming that in the majority of people these fake “vaccines” will shed before causing serious problems) however if people continue getting “booster” shots it will be extremely dangerous for them. These are mRNAs, DNAs proteins, they travel all over the body to places you don’t want them in, to places the coronavirus doesn’t travel to. It is particularly dangerous for the elderly who have lower immune resistance and for young people causing heart and muscle inflammation.

It is important to build up the immune system naturally. If the government would have our best interests in mind they would promote healthy lifestyles, keeping gyms open, talking about excersize, fresh air, eating fresh fruits and vegetables; these are the most effective against coronavirus. Hygiene is equally important, people oftentimes people forget about this crucial aspect in staing healthy. Vitamins can also help boost the immune system.

The CNBC reported on July 30th that 74% of people infected in Massachusetts Covid outbreak were fully vaccinated.

You may want to reconsider your position and take the shot regardless if you have natural immunity. Look how effective the shots are in Israel…NOT. Another positive to taking this so-called “vaccine” that doesn’t immunize to covid-19 so that you can still get infected nor does it prevent you from spreading it to others, is that it lines the pockets of many, many involved in this scam.

At this point in time, with experts assuming but not actually knowing the facts regarding the long term effects of these shots, I am assuming as well that two doses will not have a negative effect on most individuals taking these shots. However, they will need to be repeatedly injected every half a year or so, like flu shots are, likely every half a year or yearly, and I definitely believe repeated injections of these shots would be very dangerous to the human body.

As far as it’s effectiveness, studying the results in Israel, which now with a new lockdown looming, and other countries who have high doses of the shot per capita, it doesn’t seem like the shots have successfully eliminated the rising rates of coronavirus infections which is what they are intentend for

Ubiquitin, I have not made a factual error regarding saying DNA producing RNA. As far as bringing into the discussion what came first when to prove my point, so what? In fact it was me saying that we cannot know what came first, only Hashem the Creator knows, so what in the world does evolution have to do with this? Absolutely nothing, that’s what. This is not a discussion of evolution, this is discussion of what Hashem CREATED FIRST DURING CREATION.

My opinions are based on facts even if you don’t agree with them, unlike your supposed “fact” that natural RNAs don’t enter the nucleus which is totally false.

That you don’t understand the difference between injecting cell-based shots to “prevent” viruses such as coronaviruses verses treating diseases already in the body, specifically fatal diseases like cancer, doesn’t mean there’s no difference… I do very much believe in gene therapy as a resort of fighting fatal diseases certainly I am pro gene therapy when the gene therapy stays localized in the area that it is supposed to treat unlike cell based coronavirus shots which can travel to the brain causing blood clots. This would be like giving chemotherapy to healthy individuals to prevent mutant cell mutations that is in every single person’s body from turning cancerous! Kol shekein I certainly don’t believe in “potential prevention” of coronavirus through what I believe is incredibly invasive means.

Indeed, liberals resort to name calling when they cannot argue coherently and calling people names on this thread closely resembles angry liberal behavior.

Always ask, when the Native Americans were exposed to European diseases hundreds died instantly. And then the infection rates went down until herd immunity was acheived. Same happened here in communities where most people were exposed to coronavirus for the first time; first the death rate was extremely high and then it went down BEFORE the vaccine was distributed. Also, the varients vary in intensity and the Delta varient has mutated to the point where it is not as vicious as the original version. All varients were increasingly more moderate to the point that the death rate went down drastically before vaccination distribution. The rates are climbing now after vaccination distribution.

There are ways of treating covid-19 with medication which would’ve lowered the initial as well as the current death rate, but many health professionals ignore those treatments as does the CDC and WHO and the MSM who not only do/did they ignore this info but they also made fun of Trump’s promoting certain medications successfully treat covid-19.

Avi K, sure the Pfizer vaccine produced such amazing results that masks are mandatory again, the borders are not fully open and infections are going up…

Syag, we are talking to walls basically…These people are such believers in whatever the political leaders of this corrupt government say, the same government that says people can “change” genders and that children under 18 can get hormonal therapy to “change their genders”, these same “health experts” are on a crusade of taking away our basic rights because “they know best”. Now the liberal idiots are talking about a “climate lockdown to save the environment” and many in the government are considering this seriously. I kid you not.

And who empowers these corrupt people in the government? The sheep who fight tooth and nail for them! Yes, they are bitter and angry that we dare have different opinions, but they are sheep nonetheless. It’s not Fauci, the head of NSAID who made sure the Chinese lab was well funded to able to have gain of function of the coronavirus which killed millions globally, no he’s not responsible, we are! It’s not Coumo who put coronavirus infected patients in nursing homes killing tens of thousands of seniors, it’s we who killed them! For shame!

Health, good point. Why do woke people only care about about descendents of black slaves when slavery is still practiced to.a large extent on the African continent by black people themselves and by Arabs?

Ubiquitin, here we go again. There is absolutely nothing wrong with saying DNA produces RNA. That terminology is used many times in the field of science. Because the process is very complicated you can describe it from many angles and that is the way I chose to say it.

The vaccine IS AFFECTING and MODIFYING the cell’s response and perhap’s the DNA’s as well. Sorry for not saying it so clearly the first time around, I have corrected myself numerous times and AM STILL being bashed

I am doubling down about what I wrote in this post which I said many times and you still keep on bringing up the same things again and again.

When YouTube and other social media, Google and most MSM outlets are censoring many doctors and scientists if they don’t toe the official line. That is a fact. Many YouTube videos put up by prominent doctors and scientists were taken down, many social media sites had posts were taken down and Google buries information critical regarding covid-19 regulations and vaccines filtering critical information.

Basically what you are saying is that since you are pro vaccination anyone not toeing that line does not know how to make their own decisions and should not do so. In other words, you support the liberal communism take-over of the USA that is currently ongoing to stifle American’s freedoms.

Always ask, it’s ok, I feel you are sheep and you feel that we have chutzpah. But who cares, the main thing is that everyone is comfortable with their decision. The problems start when people want to FORCE their OPINIONS AND SPECULATIONS on others on others.