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Oh, and I forgot to mention previously, the FDA is funded between 45-55% (depending on which programs) by pharmaceutical companies. And now they have approved the vaccine so quickly, years before it usually gets approved (vaccines are approved after at least 3-4 years of studies to get to know the long-term side affects), but now they needed FDA approval so the EXPERIMENTAL vaccines can be mandated. Non-FDA approved vaccines cannot be mandated so that’s why they needed to rush it..It became mandated for the military as soon as it was approved by the FDA… Also, the former FDA director is now the CEO of Pfizer… Also, earth shattering is the fact that the FDA now requires Pfizer AFTER the approval of the covid vaccine to submit results analyzing risk of mycarditis and pericarditis, and risk to long-term infant development in pregnant women ON OCT 31 2025 and ON May 31 2027, respectively!
You have to be really naive to think they are doing it for the “health and safety” of the American people…
philosopherParticipantList of employers NOT requiring their employees to get vaccinated:
The White House
The CDC
The FDA
The WHO
Moderna
Pfizer
Johnson and JohnsonphilosopherParticipantGadolhadorah, lol. I agree that diamonds in gold and platinum settings have magical healing powers. The better the clarity and color, and the bigger they are, the better they work!
philosopherParticipanthuju, wonderful, you are amazing human being trying to save the world with your mask and all other precautions you are taking. Obviously, my conclusions about the virus, masks, covid vaccines, etc. are different than yours, and that’s why I do things differently. That is freedom guaranteed by the constitution, to be able to act in accordance to ones beliefs.
philosopherParticipantA relative told me awhile ago that Bill Gates thinks the world is too populated and wants to limit population growth and he wantss people to be forced to take a vaccine that will limit fertility. I laughed it off at the time, I actually couldn’t believe that there are people who believe in these conspiracy theories. This was before the covid-19 was released.
But now I know there is some truth to this rumor. As I’m digging into this topic, the more horror I am uncovering. And what I’m uncovering is all on public records. Patents since the 1980s for work on the coronavirus gain of function here in the US, pharmaceuticals involved in production of the coronavirus vaccine for decades before coronavirus was unleashed into the human population, Fauci and Bill Gates both having financial ties to Moderna, the Bill and Linda Gates Foundation contributing millions of dollars to WHO and the CDC, Bill Gates warnings about viruses and vaccines for years, Fauci in 2017, recorded on video, fortelling that a pandemic will be coming during the Trump administration and we need to be prepared, the character assignations of distinguished scientists and physicians who say anything negative against the vaccine or even simply against forcibly mandating the vaccine, the suppression of information regarding repurposed drugs that successfully treat covid, etc, etc.
Theres a bigger story here that we see, there are many things, perhaps most info on this Plandemic, that is hidden from us. Yes, I believe that this a Plandemic and I believe that Bill Gates is right, there is more and worse viruses waiting to be unleashed upon us, Hashem yerachem.
August 25, 2021 11:12 am at 11:12 am in reply to: Latest media anti-Israel bias: AP calls terrorists – “activists” #2002751philosopherParticipantMainstream media is a source of misinformation, from Arab terrorists to the coronavirus vaccine.
philosopherParticipantCoumo resigned from pressure from the left- that pressure came from the AG because of her own political ambitious and because she cared about the victims of abuse. She certainly doesn’t care about the tens of thousands of murdererd elderly.
philosopherParticipantLiberals=hypocrites.
philosopherParticipantB”H he is out of the hospital. He should have a complete refuah sheleimah.
philosopherParticipant2cents, no one is denying that herd immunity works. However, these fake covid vaccines do not work well enough, if at all, and we don’t know the long term effects of these “vaccines”. The fact is that the CDC recommends and the government tries to enforce in many places, wearing of masks and social distancing despite these “vaccinations” is because they are not very effective and they know it. But the good sheep in the population are blindly following their leaders and the media directives regardless of reality.
If people have natural immunity why force the vaccine on them? Because it’s all about the $ and power, not because of immunity. In addition, it is extremely immoral to give these experimental vaccines to young adults and children when they are not prone to serious effects and to death from covid despite media hype.
The fact is that many great physicians have come out with protocols which repurpose safe and effective medications to fight covid but which is ignored and ridiculed because there’s too little $ involved in their use vs mass “vaccination” of these “vaccinations” still in trial stage.
philosopherParticipantrightwriter, the “vaccines” are losing their eficacy according to the CDC themselves. That’s why they are recommending masking and social distancing and booster shots which will likely eventually be recommended reinfection every few months. That is not a successful vaccine at all. On top of that, we have no real studies on its long-term effects.
philosopherParticipantFrom the CDC’s website, article released on Aug 18 2021 “This study’s findings suggest currently available vaccines have high effectiveness for preventing laboratory-confirmed SARS-CoV-2 infection and COVID-19 hospitalization. However, VE against infection appears to have declined in recent months in New York, coinciding with a period of easing societal public health restriction and increasing Delta variant circulation (8). These findings support a multipronged approach to reducing new COVID-19 hospitalizations and cases, centered on vaccination, and including other approaches such as masking and physical distancing.”
In other words, the vaccines are not worth much in the long run so we let’s keep young and old forever muzzled and social distanced and keep on injecting booster shots … because covid-19 will be with us indefinitely and this is how we plan on subjugating the population forever and ever. We will also decide that landlords cannot get their rent due to covid and soon will decide what other basic rights we will supress due to the excuse of covid-19.
philosopherParticipant2cents, no they are not stuck with one initial hypothetical potential treatment protocol (which there are actually many protocols and also proven to be effective) but we are stuck with one initial hypothetical potential “prevention” protocol which has so many breakthroughs cases, siide effects and deaths and despite all this we are still stuck with that protocol called “covid-19 shots”, the so-called covid “vaccines”.
philosopherParticipanthuju, I had covid-19 for a few weeks and it never occured to me to ask others to muzzle their mouths or go into lockdowns or to do anything else with their personal lives because I contracted the virus just I as I wouldn’t ask others to do the same when I got the flu a few years ago and developed a severe case of pneumonia. These expectations and demands are ridiculous.
philosopherParticipantI’m sorry to hear that! He should have a complete and speedy refuah.
philosopherParticipantDaMoshe, I don’t think your numbers are accurate but I’m sure you got it from some article, however these numbers are basically worthless with every article saying something else. Perhaps these were the numbers of hospitalized cases in one hospital.
The situation is serious enough that they are considering a lockdown (not that I think lockdowns are a viable option for dealing with covid) and all hospitals are overflowing due to covid-19 infections so it is pretty serious. But the main point is the numbers are going up, everyday the percentage of positivity is rising. And it is because of these e so-called vaccinations. People claimed that the symptoms from those getting “vaccinated” are less severe but that is simply untrue. The Delta variant is less virulent than the original variant ( as were the variants prior to this one not as severe as the original variant) and therefore the cases were overall milder, whether one had the “vaccine” or not. The number touted by the media and health professionals brainwashed by the media, of .1% of “vaccinated” of those hospitalized because of covid was a bold-faced lie. Now the numbers are at 50%, a far cry of the fake 0.1% but hey, they’ll say anything to whip up the frenzy to get more people “vaccinated”.
philosopherParticipantThe proportion of hospitalized in Ireland and Israel are steadily rising. 50% of those hospitalized in those two countries are now fully “vaccinated”.
The virus that causes covid is not stable and mutates constantly, unlike the viruses of, for example, measles and smallpox, which are stable viruses and can effectively be immunizes against. The covid shots were not very effective against the Delta varient and are ineffective against the new lambda variant.
philosopherParticipantHealth, that particular sentence I wrote was part of an argument why we can’t trust the government has our best interests in mind: it was about why the government, MSM, and social media repressing info about medical treatment for covid, it was not about the shots. You did not answer me at all, instead you deflected telling me to ask politicians for answers. I said not all of us need to ask questions which we know the answer to. This remark by me was about suppression of info on medication by professionals in the medical field and not about vaccinations. Meanwhile you did not attempt to answer this bizarre behavior on the part of the government and now you are trying to make make it appear as if that remark was about these covid shots when it was about suppressing medical info.
As for creating antibodies, studies indicate that after 6 months eficacy rates of these shots are only at 18% so boosters have to be given every 2-4 months. And they can’t fight at all against the lambda variant. Neither can they prevent infection nor prevent spread to others. And countries with the highest rates of those “vaccinated” are not particularly in good shape, they are in bad shape. And of course, they scapegoat those who are not “vaccinated” when they should regardless be in better shape than countries who did not distribute the covid shot so aggressively.
I am not talking about vaccinations and therefore I am not an anti-vaxxer, despite you attaching this label to me. I am talking specifically against these cell-based shots. Now, just as you are an adult and can decide what you want to believe in regarding these shots, so can everyone else decide what is best for them, so I fail to see why you get so full of anxiety by what I wrote. If my views are irrational according to you, certainly you shouldn’t take it to heart the ramblings of an “anti-vaxxer”…
philosopherParticipantAlways ask, as you can see, it’s a 2x decrease in these approximately 2-4 months. So what happens when a few months go buy and eficacy totally diminishes? People will need booster shots every 2-4 months! I am assuming you read what I think about booster shots but it’s silly to argue over it as nothing is proven yet. I am curious what will be with these continous booster shots.
philosopherParticipantSyag, if you are speaking about me, I have no clue what you are talking about. I don’t know what you are talking about being “pro death”. I wonder if you even have any clue what you are talking about. Take a walk down memory lane and see that you first literally attacked me for daring to voice my opinion instead of “leaving it to doctors”. So perhaps you are not against vaccines even though doctors are generally afraid to voice independent opinion that veer from official government lines…It seems though that you don’t seem to even know what your own opinion is, you are dancing everywhere; you have no clue where you stand; after attaattacking me for voicing my opinion you claim that you are not against people voicing opinions…
And you must be amazingly brilliant, how did figure out I have myopia? 😃
philosopherParticipantI worry about the entire world. Incompetent leaders are the results of a decaying society. The immorality of today’s society is staggering. I needed to look up something on a NYS government website and the first thing that popped up is that NYS is paying for surrogate pregnancies so that all kind of “couples” that cannot naturally have kids should be able to have them. Can you imagine how the next generation of children will be, no normal father’s or mother’s, the kids won’t know who that parents are, they won’t have roots, in such a society there are no morals. Kids today are being openly and legally abused and no one says anything. Here and there we have a Rebulican politician speaking out in the Senate but nothing more than that. Looting is endorsed if you are a certain color ..etc, etc.
Economically, the US is heading down the same road as Venezuela and previously rich South American countries turned disastrous.
And in Israel, the fact that the government is legitimizing the Reform/liberal movement is very scary, they are undermining their own existence.
We need Moshiach now otherwise I don’t know how we will be saved when we are heading towards the edge of the cliff.
philosopherParticipantSyag, so what exactly are you arguing with me about? Exactly what are you trying to say?
philosopherParticipantSyag, you are saying things I never said. Show me one word where I said that those who are pro-covid shots need to respect those who are against covid-19 shots. Or vice versa. I never said anything about respect. I certainly don’t respect many who are pro-covid shots, for example those who “vaccinated” their children or who are proponents for “vaccinating” children.
I just speak about people’s inherent RIGHT to decide what is best for them and that people cannot cannot control or blame others for not complying to their wishes. And that we can voice our beliefs and debate both sides! That is ALL I am saying. And if you don’t think that something is weird and seriously wrong when people walk alone on the empty streets wearing masks, then yes, I certainly do not respect your opinions.
Now, my opinion is MY OPINION. I never claimed to save lives just as I don’t say that those who scream about how vital these shots are, kill people. I hold strongly of my opinions, I believe in them, I do believe that these covid-19 shots are creating a long-term bigger problem than covid-19. However, I make no claim to saving lives just I make no claim that people are killing others with writing how important it is that everyone become “vaccinated” which I think is a total disaster. I said mave many, many times and I’ll repeat myself here; life and death, health and sickness, are only on the hands of Hashem, our Creator and our Sustainer. I think it’s so infantile for people to think they can conquer life and death. Certainly we should do the best hishtadlus we can for our health ( and everyone has a RIGHT to act accordingly to what he thinks is right), but we have absolutely no power to destroy covid-19 which is much greater than what we humans can control.
philosopherParticipantI never said I respect people who wear masks unconditionally, certainly not when they are by themselves! That in my eyes is utter stupidity. I said everyone has a RIGHT to choose, and I was talking particularly about the covid shots. The issue with pro shots and pro masks is not black and white, you are lumping everything together. I know many conservatives who are anti masks like DeSantos, Ben Shapiro, Tucker Carlson, etc who are pro vaccine. Just because I UNDERSTAND why a certain category of people would choose to take the covid shot doesn’t mean that I think it makes sense that people should be forced to wear masks indefinitely.
And yes, while everyone has a right to wear masks wherever and whenever they want, I would love to hear more stories of those who DO NOT want to wear masks taking it off without repercussions and derision and threats from airline staff or any staff as is currently the reality.
philosopherParticipantSyag, I am opposing you not because you are telling people to speak to doctors. I am opposing you because you are telling me that I’m killing people when I talk about my opinions on the covid-19 shot. You should actually take a minute or two to reread what I wrote because I said one thing in my paragraph you are paraphrasing while you are bashing me about something completely different that I did not write at all.
I said very clearly that people are ENTITLED to hear both sides. You are attacking me for saying the exact same thing you are NOW ( but not before) saying.
How exactly am I FORCING my opinion on others? Am I holding you or anyone else at gunpoint, forcing you to read my posts or not get vaccinated?
philosopherParticipantcommonsaychel, I loved reading your post. I hope I hear more and more stories like that. On the flip side of that story, I see many people where I live wearing masks while driving in cars alone or walking alone even when the the streets are empty of other people! 😂
philosopherParticipantHealth, good for you for believing in this good government that has been nothing but a blessing to us and continues to rejuvenate the economy, make sensible reforms and secure our borders. You believe in them unquestionably, telling me to ask these elected politicians, to ask the MSM and to ask social media why they are repressing vital info … There are many people who don’t need to ask questions that have obvious answers.
Vaccines are SUPPOSED to create antibodies. However, disregarding the fact that these cell-based “vaccines” have not been through long-term studies and we can’t know the long-term affects and disregarding the fact that these shots do not have long-term efficacy, viruses always mutate and no one can predict what mutations they will have and therefore pre-emptive shots cannot be produced. So when we are talking about measles and mumps, those are predictable, generally unchanging diseases and therefore the vaccines created in response to these diseases, work. However with viruses like the flu and covid-19, they mutate constantly and therefore the shots against them are virtually useless.
philosopherParticipantPeople have such chutzpah. They are allowed to blame and bash us supposed “non-vaxxers” non-stop for spreading covid-19 and causing people to die, but when we explain our views we are “murdering” people by causing others not to take the shot! This is absolutely disgusting.
People can read whatever we supposed “non-vaxxers” write about the covid shots and people can read what the pro-covid shots write. And then people ARE ENTITLED to come to their own conclusions and make their own decisions. Who are you people to decide what is best for everyone just because you have an opinion about it?
There are many professionals, doctors and professors who came out against the shots. However, they were taken off social media, their articles are not written up, their videos taken down, they are given the label “conspiracists”. Many doctors are coorced to go with the mainstream version, they don’t want to be sidelined and their careers endangered so don’t talk as if all in the medical profession are for this shot.
If people want to ask their doctors what to do, that is their right, if people are more comfortable taking the shots that’s their right, if people are not comfortable taking the shot, that’s their right too.
No one can has a right to bash others for their personal medical choices nor do they have a right to bash others for voicing their opinions about their choices. Because if we don’t have the right to voice our opinion then you don’t have that right as well.
philosopherParticipantSyag, there are many medical professionals talking against these shots. The reason I am talking against these shots is because everyone was busy bashing those who didn’t want it. So I explained my viewpoint about it. I believe every adult has the right to hear everyone else’s opinion. Just like the mask, it’s ridiculous when people say, “if you talk or write against it you’ll be liable for people’s death”…. I always say, people can write for and against things and everyone has a right to decide for themselves what to do.
What about the non-doctors campaigning for the covid-19 shots? Tens of thousands of people got covid-19 despite being vaccinated and thousands got serious diseases and many died from taking the shot. Will you also hold those who pushed for these vaccines and argued with those of us who are against it accountable for the deaths and serious illnesses that the shot caused?
What you people write is despicable and comes from a place of no emunah. People are adults. People are entitled to hear both sides. People are entitled to make their own decisions. And at the end of the day, life and death, health and sickness, is in the hands of Hashem regardless what a person chooses.
philosopherParticipantSam Klein, you are absolutely, 100% right!
philosopherParticipantReb Eliezer, the J&J shot uses DNA which is just as bad as mRNA, and theoretically even worse because it definitely goes into the nucleus of cells. The J&J shot has caused very serious diseases for many, particularly in young adults . Again, I’ve said it a few times and I’ll repeat it here; it is true that the majority of people who got these cell-based shots did not have adverse reactions however I think that booster shots will definitely cause serious illnesses and I have already heard of very serious adverse reactions and even deaths of those who got booster shots. I don’t see the point in this. These shots’ immunity, if there is immunity at all, are extremely short-lived and breakthrough cases of those vaccinated are as high as 74% according to one study. In Israel it is currently at 53% while the unvaccinated positive cases are only at 43% , so what is the point of this? I know people say that with the “vaccinations” the cases are not so serious, it’s only one percent, however these percentages are rising and I’m sure there are many undereported cases, but in any case, the numbers of serious cases are on the rise.
It is not a good idea to play around with one’s body. However, I believe everyone should do what they feel is the most comfortable and beneficial for them. I don’t have a problem with those believing in the shot, I have a problem with people forcing others to take the shot, whether it is the government or private employers doing the forcing, no one can be coorced into something they are against.
philosopherParticipantHealth, you didn’t answer my question why the government, msm and social media are suppressing info on medicines and zinc that help treat covid-19. Saying that “there are problems with the Federal response to covid-19” doesn’t answer why there’s censuring of this info and it being called “misinformation” when doctors and laymen talk about it. Again, by you calling it a problem you still give no answer on why they are going to these extremes to suppress vital, life-saving info.
The numbers did not go down because of he vaccines. If it did then why are they continously climbing? You blame the Delta varient but the point is that the vaccines are not working. There have been many varients since the original covid-19 high the “market”. I highly doubt the origin varient from last January-October is still around besides for in labs. Viruses are mutating constantly and if the vaccines don’t work for the mutated varients then there’s no point in it.
philosopherParticipantReb Eliezer, our bodies are continous hosts of microbes and viruses. To eliminate these viruses is to eliminate life. We cannot eradicate the manmade covid-19 virus either. It will become extinct if and when Hashem wills it.
The Torah commands us to be careful about our health and it doesn’t mean to muzzle our mouths indefinitely and hide in our homes- that is the goyishe liberal way of thinking they will “deal” with a problem that they can do nothing about. They try tried to flatten the curve by lockdowns and masks and the monster still escaped and is around. They are trying with these so-called “vaccines” and the virus is still spreading. They are blaming all who won’t play their game that will never stop.
So what do we need to do to guard our health? Eat healthy, non-processed foods, including raw fruits and vegetables, do excersize ( excersize is extremely important for a healthy immune system) and maintain healthy lifestyle habits like getting enough sleep. Ultimately, life and death, health and sickness, is in the hands of Hashem.
philosopherParticipantAbsolutely non-sustainable. If we would test people for flu and other viruses like we do for covid-19 we would be in lockdown forever and ever. Viruses do not disappear, they spike and reced, this is part of life. The obsession the media and politicians have with covid is unbelievable and it doesn’t seem to be changing.
B”H our frum communities in US, after the initial pandemic, disregarded authorities regarding masks and lockdowns and returned to normal life. This is how it should be done everywhere.
philosopherParticipantCalling those of us who don’t want a jab of these cell-based shots “anti-vaxxers” is very misleading and reveals how non-informed the bullies are. Traditional vaccines boost the immune system by giving the body a bit of the virus or disease to boost the immune response to these illnesses and viruses. In the vast majority of cases these vaccines work very well to prevent infection.
Cell-based shots are technically not vaccines, they don’t boost the the immune system in the traditional way; they are supposed to “teach cells how to respond”, in this case to the covid. However, by injecting DNAs, mRNAs, or proteins and vectors, the body does not become immune to covid. First CDC said that people in hospitals and those who died of covid-19 after recieving the so-called vaccine, is only .1%. Now that rate is climbing, in some states it is now at 4%. People who were “vaccinated” are losing their immunity at a rapid pace, requiring a booster shot a mere 2-4 after recieving TWO initial shots. In some cities we are getting a 75% infection rate from breakthrough cases of people infected after recieving these so-called “vaccines”. It has been proven that those who are “vaccinated” and those who are not, carry the same viral load if infected and transfer it at the same rate. So why are people screaming at those who don’t want it if those who are “vaccinated” are spreading it just the same?! And how exactly are these covid shots the same as traditional vaccinations which in the majority of cases actually prevents people from getting infected and transferring it others when these covid shots don’t help prevention and spreading of the virus?!
The mount of brainwashing about this so-called “vaccine” despite the fact that it doesn’t prevent virus spread, and despite accounts of death and very serious side effects attributed to these shots, and despite the fact that it is still in trial stage. The suppression of info on lifesaving drugs that treat covid-19, the forcing of people to take this so-called “vaccine” despite it’s serious side effects, and the forcing it on young adults and children is absolutely criminal.
philosopherParticipantHealth, I agree with you that Hashem sent covid-19 as a wake-up call.
I believe if you had a good excuse why the government, MSM, and social media are suppressing info on these lifesaving drugs you’d repeat that here. I’m not going to look up an old post. Imagine if I would reference my old posts when someone asks me about something I’ve spoken about…you’d see a lot of ###.
Why is it so easy for you to roll off your made=-up “data” despite reality being completely different?! And calling me a liar while you are totally clueless. The CDCs published an article on August 6 the CDC published an article stating that the numbers of positivity rates are increasing. All the charts are indicating cases are rising, everyone is talking about it but you denying it? Sorry, you can’t change reality by calling me a liar or “conspiracy theorist”.
philosopherParticipantSo Health, you tell me why they aren’t recommending these safe medications if they are effective and have no side effects. You tell me why the government, social media, and the MSM are pushing shots that are not lowering the covid-19 positive rates and in fact they are rising since they started injecting millions of people. Look at the charts, the rates were getting lower and lower, Israel was ready to open it’s borders and then they got this bright idea to give these experimental shots and look where it got them ..but call me a “conspiracy theorist”, it won’t change reality unfortunately.
philosopherParticipantI’m sorry for your loss.
I’m keeping on talking about the side effects and deaths caused by these fake vaccines that can’t even lower the coronavirus rate so it’s basically useless. And people keep screaming at me. I don’t care.
Thank for sharing this tragic story, it may open people’s eyes.
philosopherParticipantUbiquitin, well, obviously I found that info now after searching for quite awhile but knowing what I’m looking for because I had already seen it. Without seeing those articles a few weeks ago I wouldn’t search so long for something that I already knew had to be out there because I’d seen the articles about it already. Btw, I read an interesting article on the wall street journal website titled “How Google Interferes with it’s search algorithms and changes your results” published on Nov 15 2019. Google definitely hides what it doesn’t want us to see.
I searched earlier and found articles on covid-19 spike proteins diffusing into the nucleus. I didn’t learn my lesson about Google well enough and closed the page. When I wanted to bring the article back, no matter how much I searched, all the results I get from Google are about the covid vaccine protein spikes and not one article is coming up about covid-19 protein spikes! I had to use a lot of tricks with using many different terms to finally bring the article back. Google for sure knows to hide stuff they don’t want people to see and push the things they do want people to see.
Now with everyone focusing whether the covid shots mRNA enter the nucleus or not, this seems to be a hot topic people are researching cause there are tons of articles Google is spitting up how covid shot mRNAs don’t enter the nucleus, how about the fact that proteins enter the nucleus? So spike proteins produced by the covid shot can very well enter the nucleus but many articles claim that it doesn’t. Well, the covid-19 spike protein itself diffuses into the nucleus so I do not believe that the “vaccines” spike never enters the nucleus.
philosopherParticipantSorry, I made a mistake in my previous post.. Not 20% of mRNA reenter the nucleus, 20% of the human genome “Line-1” that can reverse transcibe their mRNA to DNA, can enter somewhere else in our genome, including the cell nucleus during cell division.
philosopherParticipantubiqutin, I was too hasty yesterday, not really reading the articles as I didn’t have the time to do so and skimmed through the articles too quickly missing the line about the mRNAs exiting into the cytoplasm. Indeed, those two articles are actually the same. Sorry about that.
Now I see why you can’t get find the articles about mRNA transport into the nucleus as I originally did because I can’t find them all these articles either, they seem to have disappeared. Call me a conspiracist, but these articles seem to be censured by Google as I am sure I am not the only person researching this top trying to find info about mRNA transport into the nucleus due to these “vaccines”. All info on mRNA, vRNA (besides for that one article I posted about vRNA) and mRNA-proteins being transported into the nucleus have disappeared. And the reason I appear to have “predicted” extracellular transport of mRNA into the nucleus article is because I knew for a fact that mRNA transports into the nucleus as well as exports. That is a new study about extracellular tranpsot but not the fact that about 20% of the mRNA is transported back into the nucleus despite Google currently hiding these articles. This is so surreal, I can cannot believe that Google is going to this extent to hide info from the public. Now every time I search for articles on “mRNA transport into the nucleus” most of the info coming up is about the vaccine or mRNA export from the nucleus.
However, since I knew you won’t believe me that I really read the articles about mRNA being transported into the nucleus, I did some sleuthing and finally uncovered one article. I am sure there are plenty more hiding but they must be searched well to find them and I’m at the present not inclines to do so. It is indeed a pity that I didn’t post my sources when you asked for them, there were a lot of articles talking about this topic, many containing excellent diagrams.
Here is the article I found of mRNAs being transported into the nucleus
degruyter .com/ document/ doi /10.1515 /bmc-2014-0018if that doesn’t work after you delete the spaces then it’s on degruyter .com website published in 20014. the article is titled “Regulation of Line-1 in mammals”
It seems like you enjoy reading these comprehensive articles, but if you are not in the mood to read through the entire article, I found the paragraph under figure 1 sums my entire premise.There’s another interesting and revealing article on the subject of mNRA “vaccinations” published on December 2, 2020, before the vaccine rollout, but well hidden to the public, of course. It was published on sciencemag. org . The article is titled “Public needs to prep for vaccine side effects”
philosopherParticipantyserbius, this discussion is a continuation from another thread discussing whether mRNA can enter the nucleus of the cell or not. The J&J shot is a worse option because the DNA in the shot actually works by producing spike proteins in the nucleus so that it’s not even an hypothetical scenario, but an actual fact, that it enters the nucleus . Not that I would consider taking any of these shots even if I would not have had covid-19, which I already did.
Now I never claimed to be educated, in fact you don’t have to be very educated to see what’s going on in countries with high coronavirus shots rate per capita. You don’t have to be very educated to know that there are no long-term studies for these shots and to understand who are the lab rats. As I said before, there are doctors who claim that one can change genders, they may have more knowledge of biology or medicine than me, it doesn’t mean that they are right or that they even take into consideration basic biology. Many times people’s ideology can cloud out their perception of reality despite being educated. You can believe my perception of reality is wrong regarding these so-called vaccines and it doesn’t matter how educated you are, I do not see it the way you do. As of today, although our rights are becoming increasingly limited, it is still a free country and I can say what I want regarding this topic. You don’t have to read or respond to my comments if you don’t like them or disagree with them. As I said many times, I don’t hold a gun to anybody’s head forcing them to read my comments or agree with them.
August 11, 2021 3:11 pm at 3:11 pm in reply to: What Are the Causes of Canon Printer Not Printing Black? #1998942philosopherParticipantDepending which program you are using it may be a setting issue. If you are printing with Adobe or similar programs. The setting in the program may be be set to RYGB which causes greyish blacks. It should be set to CYMK.
philosopherParticipantHealth, I don’t remember ubequitin saying he’s a doctor, nevertheless even if he’s a doctor who doesn’t know that mRNAs can be transported into the nucleus, the scientific proven facts stay sciencific proven facts. There are doctors encouraging gender change, does that mean people can change genders? Sorry, science doesn’t change even if doctors don’t know something or have errorneous beliefs.
I have bought many sources of natural mRNA entering the nucleus so what exactly are you arguing about? Ubequitin said mRNAs never enter the nucleus and therefore we can say for a fact that coronavirus shot mRNAs do no enter the nucleus. However, as I’ve proven with sources, there are many types of mRNA that enter the nucleus . Whether these coronavirus shots mRNAs enter the nucleus or not has never been proven or disproven, it has just been assumed not to enter the nucleus. Furthermore, DNA and protein are also located in the nucleus so how can we say that for sure the shots DNA or protein don’t enter the nucleus?
Some of your facts are assumptions that were spread by MSM and the CDC which changes positions very often. You cannot arrive at some of these “facts” without years of study which has not been done on these so-called vaccinations.
And some “facts” are plainly understood. Obviously, if these are cell-based mRNAs, DNAs and protein based shots they don’t work as traditional vaccines with live viruses.
And thank you for teaching me how these so-called vaccines work, I didn’t know until you so kindly pointed it out to me so…
philosopherParticipantSyag, I never called myself an anti-vaxxer. I gave my kids all the required shots so why would I call myself an anti-vaxxer? The coronavirus “vaccine” is not a traditional vaccine. It doesn’t keep people from getting the virus nor from passing the virus. There are serious KNOWN side effects where people are simply discarding because they feel it’s a relatively small percentage of people getting the side effects. However, the risks may in the end be far greater of getting serious adverse affects from these shots than from covid-19 particularly in younger people. There are no long term studies that are done on every vaccine and medication put out on the market, but for this so-called vaccine the public are the lab rats.
I find it highly suspicious that the government wants to force these shots on people who are already recovered from covid-19, on kids and on young adults, these are all people who have an extremely low chance of death or developing serious medical issues from covid-19. Almost every single case of death or serious illness from covid-19 in young adults and children was because of co-morbidities of prior illnesses. I find it suspicious that the government with it’s pro adoptation of the slogan “my body, my choice” has no compunction in forcing people to accept an experimental vaccine. The excuse of the government is that this prevents the spread of coronavirus to those who are immunocompromised, but they know good and well that there’s no real immunity with this vaccine, therefore they want to force mask mandates, some governments are enforcing lockdowns again despite a very large part of their citizens being “vaccinated”, and they are encouraging (and likely eventually forcing) people to get booster shots.
There are those who will say these shots prevent serious symptoms when getting infected by covid-19 and therefore these shots “must” be given to everyone, to that I say that everyone has the right of “their body, their choice”. People deciding not to take the vaccine have a right to refuse due to their beliefs just as those who BELIEVE these shots to be beneficial are basing their opinions on their beliefs. To base ones opinions on government directives is stupid, the government claims that one can change their genders as well which is scientifically impossible. Many governments throughout history forced people to do stupid things, it doesn’t mean that in 2021 they have your best interests in mind or that the are not stupid. If you think these shots are great that is your belief, at this point in time there are no definite conclusive studies at this point.
philosopherParticipantUbiquitin, RNA transport into the nucleus is basic cell biology. There are numerous sources for this. I find it hard to believe that you couldn’t find reputable sources by typing in “mRNA tranfser into the nucleus” in the Google subject line.
I would paste links but I don’t think it is allowed here . Here are some sources:
PNAS published an article Nov 22 2005 titled “Mechanism of mRNA transport in the nucleus”
Pubmed published an article on Nov 2005 titled “Mechanism of mRNA transport into the nucleus”
An article published on viralzone titled “viral penetration in host nucleus” talking about viral RNAs, DNAs, etc pentratrating the nucleus.
An article titled “Extracellular mRNA transported to the nucleus” published on June 16 2021 on nature .com .
philosopherParticipantemes nisht sheker, I specifically spoke about the Jews of Germany where the anti-Semitic laws started first and not about Galicia or Poland. Many German Jews forsaw what’s coming, (although they probably couldn’t imagine in their wildest dreams how bad it would be, but they understood that Jews will be targets) and therefore they liquidated their assets and fled the country. There was a possibility of doing that prior to the war but many German Jews were complacent thinking it will blow over, they believed the Germans were cultured and it they never dreamed the Germans would commit such crimes against them. In other parts of Europe, in Hungary for example, the Jewish leadership constantly told the Hungarian Jews that nothing will happen to them and they were misled while they had time to escape. I am not bringing this from my own made-up historical version, I am repeating what I read in history books and Holocaust biographies.
philosopherParticipantTalking about natural vs so-called coronavirus vaccine immunity, most people who got covid-19 and tested themselves a year later for antibodies still had very high numbers of antibodies while immunity from these so-called vaccine was down to 16% after 6 months according to an Israeli study. The reason booster shots are needed so quickly after the first two doses for a reason, immunity doesn’t last long (if at all seeing how many are developing covid-19 despite getting the shot).
According to an Israeli study reported in Arutz Sheva, individuals who got the shot were 6.7x more likely to get infected after the shot than after natural infection. And this study was done just a few months after distribution of the “vaccine”, let’s see what happens in another 6 months.
philosopherParticipantUbiquitin, as far as the coronavirus shot traveling to different parts of the body than the covid-19 itself, I concede that you are right, they may both travel to the brain, I just took what professor Bhagdi said as proof and forgot about those who developed DVT from the virus itself. However regardless, it has been established these shots itself can cause deep vein thrombosis, myocarditis, pericarditis, and neurological adverse conditions.
If people want to talk about the elderly getting these shots I see their point. However for those who have already recovered from covid-19 and for younger people, and certainly for teens and children, these shots can cause more adverse reactions and deaths than covid-19.
philosopherParticipantubiquitin, talking about not knowing how so-called vaccines work which you claim I did, you showed ignorance in telling me that natural mRNAs do not enter the nucleus which is wrong, they certainly do enter the nucleus. There is no definite proof that mRNA from these shots cannot enter the nucleus. And DNA and proteins are in the nucleus as well so the DNA and protein shots could enter as well, in fact likely DNA based shots work in the nucleus as natural DNA do, I’m not going to do research on this because I really don’t care where they are SUPPOSED to carry out their functions, the point is that these shots are not guaranteed to not enter the nucleus where natural DNA is located, and where natural RNAs and proteins enter as well. You said that these shots do not effect the nucleus of the cell which is wrong, the entire premise of this “vaccine” stands on the fact that it is supposed to “teach” the cell how to respond to the virus. As for changing the DNA, I did not say it changes the hair, color, eye color, etc. I clearly said it can change the way our bodies naturally respond to viruses that is coded in the DNA.
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