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Novelty, Avraham Avinu did not do kiruv rechokim, there was no Judaism at the time. The converts he made were not Jewish converts, they were pagans who served idols and he taught them to serve Hashem. Noach also didn’t have to find specifically Jews and make them specifically Torah observant. That was completely different than bringing people who are supposed to be Jewish.
Now the Lubavitche Rebbe, the Skulene Rebbe and even Rav Meir Shutter made baal teshuvas in a different world. The world of today is another 2-4 generations removed from their Jewish observant ancestor. It is a world of trans and gays and we don’t want these people within our midst. To deny reality is be delibertely blind and chase a goal that will bring disaster in our midst.
If I may ask, did you become frum in the last decade or earlier? From how you write I am guessing that you are a long-time baal teshuva. This generation of secular Jews ( and yet again today it’s much harder to know if those who claim to be are Jews are truly Jews) are completely and totally different to ones decades ago when people still had moral values despite being secular.
Ubiquitin, sorry I missed the part in your comment about teaching blacks about their own racism. I’m SURE they will make classes addressing black racism towards Jews and whites. They will also make blacks feel like they have evil tendencies of racism because of their skin color, classify them, make them feel guilty for their ancestors selling of their own people to slave master, make them feel guilty for the slave trade they were a part of…sure that will happen.
You have a very naive perception of what CRT is about.
How is there systemic racism?
Do people not vote for black politicians?
Can blacks not get into college and universities due to their skin color?
Are they denied jobs due to their skin color?
If you answer yes to any of these questions above then you are living in an alternative universe.YO, it is making inroads in Israel H”y and will likely effect Sefardim, especially non-frum Sefardim now that there’s a Reform MK ( I forgot his name) that doing away with halachik kashrus standards and messing with the geirus process.
The Sefardim weren’t effected till now because the Reform movement originated in Europe. Then moved to the US Only recently have they infiltrated Israel where Sefardim live.
Avirah, actually it is in the toichacha that a large number of Jews will fall away.
I’m not saying to do away the kiruv movement in Israel where the majority of people who say that they are Jewish are truly Jewish (at this time) . I am talking specifically of kiruv in the US.
It is absolutely not the duty of frum Jews to place their own and their family’s ruchnius and children’s education at second place to make find people who SAY that their grandmother was Jewish and even spoke a word or two of Yiddish. That is no guarantee that they are Jewish.
huju, I have responded earlier but the mods may not want to post it as I’ve described in detail the left-leaning Democrat agenda. If they do post it later then this will be a repeat in different words.
The left-leaning Democrats are promoting an agenda of immorality through propaganda in the mainstream media, social media and entertainment industry. But worse than that is that they have infiltrated public schools across the US and are brainwashing kids with their perverted material under the guise of education.
I would hope that you don’t support this and if you takeh don’t then don’t call yourself a “left-leaning Democrat” because this is who they are; total and complete perverts preying on innocent children.
Btw, I don’t understand these pro video and photography questions. People shoot a question and run off, no thanks for those who responded, no clarifications needed etc. I stopped answering these questions as I think they are troll threads.
Lostspark, I looked up eotech red dot as I never heard of such a camera. It’s a weapon sight, why would you recommend it as a camera to shoot pro video?
huju, based on your post you do not know what left-leaning Democrats support. They support teaching kids in school about transgender and sex education. They promote pornographic material in school and spread all kinds of perverted material for class review.
This is what they are currently teaching in public schools run by left-leaning Democrats. If you support this then you are a pervert. If you don’t support this then your not a left-leaning Democrat and shouldn’t call yourself as such.
I think 20-21 is the right age for girls and boys these days to get engaged. I would say to start listening by 19. I wish for everyone in the parsha to have an easy and quick time finding their zivugim.
DBS, I have not said that YO supported the women of the wall. I said that if one is saddened by the destruction that these Reformers have unleashed upon klal Yisroel and over what their continued goals are with their provocative actions, they would not ask this question.
If the question would be “is wow violating a specific siman with their actions at the Wall?” that would be a neutral question. The way I read the op’s question was more like a challenge that they are not violating halacha.
I meant to write that blacks do NOT have a problem getting into colleges and universities.
This is the fault of the kiruv movement, something I have been talking about for years. After individuals have been mekareved it is out duty to welcome them. The problem starts with the mistaken misconception that it is our duty to be mekarev people who claimno be Jewish. That is a fallacy. The baal teshuva movement is a relatively new phenomenon, Rabbonim in previous generations never made a mass movement of trying to get people who were non-practing Jews to return. Certainly they didn’t try to get the children and grandchildren and great grandchildren of non-practicing Jews to return to the fold. It is naive to think that from all the tens, and maybe even hundreds, of people that become baal teshuvas every year there won’t be missionaries or non-Jews, who assume that they are Jews, among them.
Ubiquitin, it’s really funny that you think CRT is only about history when it’s about division, the narrative of blacks being victims and forcing them into that mold, and engendering white self-loathing. This is not what we teach in Jewish history classes.
There is no systemic racism whatsoever. That’s a lie. There was a black president, there are black mayors and governors, blacks do have a problem getting into college and universities based on their skin color, often it’s white and Asian students who are not accepted because of affirmative action.
Furthermore, you have ignored my comment regarding black racism towards Jews. I have experienced that myself. So why aren’t blacks taught not to hate Jews? Many blacks also hate whites and exhibit racism towards them so why don’t we classify blacks according to their level of racism like they do to whites in CRT classes?
Why would post-seminary girls listen to non-Jewish music?
This is absolutely terrible. Israel places itself in danger by being weak. Bennet was always a rightwinger like Sharon was but the lim the end the Israeli leaders turn into jello when they are afraid of international reaction.
As this is going on forever I’m wondering what those in charge are thinking. But let’s be honest here, they are shutting it down to non-Jewish tourists as well and while no one was allowed to enter, students, mainly Yeshiva students, were allowed in.
So yes, I think the Israeli government is horrible for shutting down the borders for 1.5 years, but it’s not about discrimination, it’s about their faulty thinking that they can make covid go away by shutting down the country and vaccinating.
Wow, I can’t believe that frum Jews would support crt. Besides that it’s all about profit for those behind the push to teach this garbage in schools , it divides people and races by saying that whites are inherintly racist. It also places mixed race individuals in akward positions in the way they relate to themselves and their families. Many blacks have come out against crt, they say they are not victims, which is the truth, blacks today can have any job and work in any sector. Systemic racism against blacks is a false narrative.
As a Jew, I experienced racism from some blacks, how about we make classes to teach about black racism towards Jews. I know there are many of them who don’t like Jews, let’s teach in schools about how blacks are inherintely racist…
America is going down because of this leftist stupidity. In the end we will all pay because of all of this garbage. But no matter how bad the leftists make the US, they insist on wearing blinders.
Democrats are leftist perverts teaching kids perverted behavior, destroying the moral fiber of our society. They are perverts and are trying to force their perverted lifestyle on everyone. They are destroyers of our great country.
Republicans today are not much further behind. The Republicans of today would be called ultra-leftists decades ago. Nevertheless, it is the leftists who the train wreckers, the SJWs that will take this country over the edge. The Republicans are just outcome of the collective wreckage.
DBS, if someone was drilling a hole on a boat you are on and people protested this dangerous action would you say “quote me a law which prohibits drilling a hole on a boat?!” There’s actually no such law that I’m aware of that prevents people from drilling holes, per se. But if someone would do that they would be liable for the repercussions.
There is no question that the repercussions, if wow women would get their way without resistance, there would be the sinking boats of thousands of Jews who would become confused, many Israelis are already confused, of what authentic Judaism is all about. And we know what happens when that happens. These reshuim were historically “successful” since the Reform inception and have led millions of Jews astray because so many asked “what’s wrong if they do this which is “only” against daas Yeshudis or minhugim, where’s the “real source” that prohibts such behavior?” This has led millions of Jews towards the slippery slope of full halachic violations to the point of assimilation. Whether there’s an outright source prohibiting wow in the particular case of forming their own minyanim with a man leining I’m not sure, but the guaranteed repercussions are too great to ignore. And why wouldn’t they have a woman leining? They have no problem with that…but regardless, anyone who is saddened by the churbonos the Reform had made and are making would never ask for a source where their actions are prohibited.
I say there’s no choice, competition is good. Of course, I have no doubt that problems will eventually arrive from such a platform as well. I can see right-wingers taking advantage of it, for example.
I personally am against social media in general. I don’t have Twitter, Facebook, ticktock, etc I wouldn’t join Trump’s platform either.
Ubiquitin, an official definition, from Wikipedia or from a different source, is not what defines the CRT. The actual subject material tuaght is what defines CRT.
Ubiquitin, your “definition” by quoting Wikipedia is naive. Who provided the info to Wikipedia who is pushing the leftist agenda? You have never looked at the material being taught nor do you understand that those who push the agenda are making millions. It’s all about $. Besides which, there’s absolutely no systemic racism today. BIacks are actually the new privileged class. It is mind-boggling that humans push agendas that they will end up suffering from. Totally kind boggling.
shebbosian, a poisek is someone who gives teshuvas and writes sefurim on halacha. No, we didn’t call the Sanhedrin poiskim, but that’s what they were, the poskim of their dor. And throughout all the doiros, whatever you want to call them, Rishoinim, Achroinim, etc, they were the poskim of their dor and we have the poskim of today. Perhaps you want to call these poskim “Rabbis” but then there Conservadox, Conservative, Reform, Reconstructionist, and all branches of non-Judaism have “Rabbis” as well. But these “Rabbis” cannot be called poskim. So my point is not only those whom today we davka poisek hador is a poisek. Authentic Rabbis who pasken halacha are all poiskim.
YO is 100% defending WoW by asking for a source that prohibts their depraved behavior with the intended goal which is to destroy
the Yiddishkeit which they have successfully done to millions of Jews over 3 centuries, all over Europe, the Americas and they are currently making inroads in Israel, H”y.Ubiquitin, no way, are you actually defending crt? You don’t know what it’s truly about because if you do and are still defending it still then…I don’t want to write the adjectives I have currently running through my mind.
What if you save dollars which goes on to lose all value? What if dollars don’t lose their value but the banks crash like during the Great Depression? I’m thinking about investing in gold.
It’s crazy times. I don’t feel comfortable investing anywhere. I think the US is heading down the same road Venezuela is on. I don’t think the market will just crash once and then recover, I think it’s the end of comfortable times in the US.
crazykanoi, you are seeing the trees and not the forest. All this government “help” is coming from middle-income earners taxes. America is on the path to becoming the second Venezuela by stealing from the people to pay the people…how ingenious….
And about Trump you are really trying to pin stuff on him that’s has nothing to do with him. Besides for the deficit. But if that’s a point you want to make a out him, the DemoRats are a trillion times worse. 3.5 trillion dollars worse, in fact.
The problem with today’s generation is “where does it say”. Where does it say you can’t wear a wig so long that it reaches the floor? Where does it say that we can’t wear nose rings ( this question pertains to men as well)? Where does it say that women can’t read the Torah bechlal, I don’t think there’s a source for that bechlal…
The sources are Rabbonim from our times!!! The Ramban was a poisek in his dor, the Ramchal in his dor, etc, etc. And today’s Rabbonim are against wow, obviously.
Before the WoW are busy with minyanim and the like, they should eat kosher, cover their hair and not be mechalelei Shabbos nor engange in abominable acts. The point of their shenanigans is not to serve Hashem, they simply want to spread their liberal agenda of women being the same as men. And look where these liberal ideologies got them, today men can be considered women as well in their sick minds.
Gadolhadorah, when was the last time you’ve seen a shtreimel? Today they’re bigger, taller and higher than any noble has ever worn, guaranteed.
Ujm, I didn’t say the two languages are totally alike. I said “I’m sure it’s used in the same way in L”H”. Ivrit doesn’t have the same grammar rules and has more words and different phrases than Loshen Hakodesh, but for the most part, L”H words used in Ivrit mean the same in both languages.
Novelty, good point. That is true, bunim can mean any gender. Google translate translates בנים from Ivrit (which I’m sure is used the same way in L”H) to “child, girl, daughter, …etc.in addition to “boys”.
Avira, of course there’s always improvements that are needed in a “system” in this case moisdois, communities, etc.however, overall, certainly in the communities that I know about, there are hundreds of thousands of wonderful, ehrlicha people who come out from this “system”.
That people were turned “off” is not an excuse. Do you know how many murderers and people who turn to crime use the excuse that they were bullied? It’s not an excuse to go and murder others. The fact of life is that no person is perfect and no system is perfect and no one cannot turn “off” because of it.
I am totally against the over-stuffing of knowledge in frum schools without REALLY TEACHING what our purpose and goals in life should be according to the Torah. Kids should be taught how we need a kesher with Hashem, not have a hollow, materialistic based Jewish life.
At the age of 12 and 13 Jews are responsible for their actions. It is from those ages where people start becoming who they are as adults.
I’m not going to judge anyone for their actions, I have to judge my own. However, people’s lifestyles and actions cause people to form opinions of them. Imagine a frum person who is CONSTANTLY, everyday, rude to others, particularly non-Jews or not religious Jews ( as some are not so bothered when such behavior is exhibited towards other frum Jews but when it’s towards non-Jewish or non-religious people it’s unforgivable). Imagine if this person is loud, rude, throws wrappers on the ground after eating in the street, etc.What kind of opinion would you have of such a person? I’m sure you would hold highly of such a person, no? Well, I wouldn’t and I bet all the people here defending OTDs and screaming that you have to love them would also not hold too highly of a person who is always rude and uncouth. They may write that you have to be Dan l’kaf zchus it’s not so but in real life, would they see a person throwing garbage on the ground or act in a demeaning way toward others would definitely be angry about such behavior. But yet when it comes to people rebelling against Hashem’s Torah and rejecting it, all of a sudden so many are understanding and accepting and loving and excuse such behavior when Yidden in previous doiros sanctified their lives for Hashem and His Torah!
Avirah, Atzvus is an avaeirah btw because people can help themselves get out of it ( I’m dodging the bullets here) Now of course I can’t evaluate people’s spiritual medreigas, ( not am I interested in doing so) but generally, if people would appreciate for the gift of life and all the gifts Hashem gave them there would be no depression. It is in this day and age where everyone constantly bemoans there childhood, there spouse, etc. And yes, I do understand commonsaychel’s pov because there are people that literally ruin their own lives through their own actions while giving a gazillion excuses of why they are lazy. Those of us who pushed past the things that held us back understand that with excuses you get nowhere. Of course, a person needs siyatah dishmaya to succeed no matter what effort they put into something, but oftentimes I see incredibly lazy people blaming the predictable results of their own inaction.
However, when talking about looking down on people I wasn’t talking about frum, depressed people or lazy people, I was talking about OTDs and those who life is one big party with a small dose of Yiddishkeit on the side. Regardless of depression, childhood, etc., etc. there’s no valid reason one can have to reject God’s eternal words that He commanded us to keep. Whatever matzav a Jew is in, he still is obligated to and he still has the capabilities to follow (at least basic) halachas.
Ash, I’m happy to hear that you’re doing good now but my point is that there’s no reason to go through all this suffering when schools can make learning more interesting and engaging with visual tools and creative classes and more recess. Today we have tons of after-school programs that should be integrated within the regular school curriculums. Of course, that won’t solve all problems but it could solve many problems.
As for sitting through siddurim, I’m not a man and never went to yeshiva, but I have heard many boys being successful in yeshivas where instead of the magid shuir teaching, the boys are actively engaged and involved in the shuir.
And the same is with jobs, there are many suitable jobs that ADHD labeled people can be successfully work in.
So I’m coming from a different angle. Instead of seeing it as a disorder, I see it as a different way of thinking, and yes it can be very challenging oftentimes, but if we work with it instead of against it, if we understand HOW we can work with it, ADHD labeled people would be more productive with less challenges in everyday life.
It is my opinion that modern day life is much harder for people labeled ADHD. Technology oftentimes gets ADHD people stuck in addictive behavior, sitting all day in classes where years ago no one sat for hours in classrooms learning about subjects they were not interested in, etc. Today, the way people are considered productive in our frum society, can oftentimes be very challenging for ADHD labeled people.
Now, you are saying that I’m out of date regarding what the term ADHD means and then you go ahead and say that the name is misleading… So how can you so I’m out of date if the term ADHD is out of date? And having a subtype of innatentive ADHD does not make the term a correct one.
Syag, false. Excuses, excuses, excuses. Everyone went through the same system. Some people suffer more than others in life but those are not necessarily the ones who throw away Yiddishkeit. Today’s stupid excuse is trauma when most don’t have trauma it’s fake news.
Now am I saying the system is perfect? Absolutely not. I myself was discriminated against due to my family situation, which also wasn’t a bowl of cherries, mildly put.
How in the world does anyone think they have an excuse to throw away the Torah and mitzvos because life isn’t exactly the way they want it to be?! We are here to grow from our challenges, no one can use their God-given challenges to throw away Torah and mitzvos.
The woke secular society has influenced frum Jews as well. As someone who went through many, many challenges in life, I look down at people who throw away the Torah and oftentimes their entire lives, simply because they have challenges which EVERYONE does. The vast, vast majority of OTDs were absolutely not abused, it’s fake news.
Has everyone forgotten about bechira?! That term has been thrown into the trash bin. Now it’s about “trauma”…whether someone has trauma, real or imagined, there’s no excuse to drop Shabbos and eat chazer.
Can people love OTDs and people engaged in non-stop frivolous behavior? Absolutely, that is your ideoligy. However, as everything in life, this has repercussions with the communities being the most accepting of sinful people having the most of them.
Historically Rabbonim and frum Jews did not accept excuses from individuals who threw away Yiddishkeit, whether they were maskilim or converted to Christianity ( with the exception of forced conversions) and they were dealt harshly with. People say today is different and we must accept them the way they are then that’s their opinion. Hashem commanded us, without exception and without excuses, to fulfill His commandments, and we will be punished ( which we see this happening more and more frequently H”y) if we disobey and therefore if those who know better engage in abominable behavior and are mechalelei Shabbos, and eat treifus are, at the minium, looked down upon by people who do not take trampling of His mitzvos and His Torah lightly.
Being dan l’kaf zchus only applies to frum people, not have turned away from Yiddishkeit.
Yeserbius, you can’t be a conservative and support affirmative action.
Avirah, if I can jump in, life is not black and white. Please stop about this judgement business. Stop being woke. If someone who is frum lives in their parents basement and plays video games all day then there’s something mentally off with them. No normal frum person sits in their parents basement all day playing video games. If they are otherwise functioning and play video games all day then there’s nothing wrong with looking down on them.
This has nothing to do with an OTD doctor (who is a rare breed in any case as most OTDs do not become professionals) who is judged in a completely different way.
This wokeness that has permeated the frum world from the outside world is clouding people’s judgment on what dan l’kaf zchus means. Dan l’kaf zchus applies to frum people only.
Avirah, if I can jump in, life is not black and white. Please stop about this judgement business. Stop being woke. If someone who is frum lives in their parents basement and plays video games all day then there’s something mentally off with them. No normal frum person sits in their parents basement all day playing video games. If they are otherwise functioning and play video games all day then there’s nothing wrong with looking down on them.
This has nothing to do with an OTD doctor (who is a rare breed in any case as most OTDs do not become professionals) who is judged in a completely different way.
This wokeness that has permeated the frum world from the outside world is clouding people’s judgment on what dan l’kaf zchus means. Dan l’kaf zchus applies to frum people only.
Nonimpedit, really, Jews are not allowed to have negative opinions about polititians and on affirmative actions?
There are so many woke participats in the CR.
commonsaychel, you probably would’ve been recieved with greater warmth from many here and in the frum communities had you chosen to go down the BUM route. Imagine that people give me mussar for saying that I don’t look down at people choosing to be oived Hashem in a different way than there parents are but I at the same time berate me for have for looking down at those throwing away their Yiddishkeit. It’s unbelievable.
Historically, those who have sinned openly were not accepted within klal Yisroel, unlike today where we have to accept these people and their choices. Now, it is certainly not wrong to believe in these people to do teshuva, but that doesn’t mean that
The problem is that he had no booster shot. I’m sure that would’ve helped…
farbycoffe, yes, the classroom is very hard for ADHD labeled kids, particularly if the subject matter does not interest them. But you’ll get through, everyone makes it through in the end. It is important to find productive things that you enjoy doing,especially when you are looking for a job. If you enjoy what you do you won’t have a hard time focusing. Many ADHD labeled individuals enjoy technical jobs like computer programing.
Bennythekvetch, of course, if Yiddishkeit to you is about ” practices and beliefs”, not about the Truth, not about the eternal words of Hashem, not about what Jews over the centuries gave up their lives for, not about the fact that Hashem has COMMANDED us to keep His mitzvos, then yes, I can see why you wouldn’t look down at Jews who know Hashem’s laws and throw them away. It is not a Torah obligation in any way to love people who threw away the Torah and deliberately engage in sin.
Your comment actually does not make sense. If it is about “beliefs” then accordingly it is my belief that I can ” look down on people who know the halachas yet still violate the Torah”. This is my belief, how exactly can you decide for me what my beliefs, religious or personal, should be? Especially if you accept that they are following their beliefs then what gives you the right to bash mine? If they can have their beliefs accepted what makes you entitled to have my beliefs denigrated?
Farby, you are mixing up the yoitzeras. I never said that I hate these Jews, I said I look down on them. In this mixed up world everyone is equal, but the Torah has very harsh words for these people. It is absolutely not violating the halacha to look down on Yidden who intentionally violate halacha.
No one in this world has not sinned, however this is the bilbul hamoichos of the dor: the ehrlicha person who tries to do Hashem’s will is considered equal to those who eat treifus, violate the Shabbos, etc. That’s why we have scores of frum people going otd, I mean why not? They are loved and accepted in many communities and by many people so why not?
I’m not saying to hate or reject them, but I am saying that there’s nothing wrong with looking down on those who reject the Torah and do not follow it’s laws.
I don’t trust the FDA anymorr. They only care the big bucks or money-making positions they’ll get in these pharmaceutical companies eventually. They do not care whether a medicine is effective or not or dangerous or not.
farbycoffe, of course ADHD labeled kids are not all more talented or less talented than non ADHD labeled children . They just think differently and that can make it hard for them to learn in today’s frum classroom setting. On the other hand, they can be extremely intelligent and creative because of their different thinking patterns in ways that non-ADHD labeled children can’t be.
AviraDeArah, I 100% look down on any Yid who was frum and now violates Shabbos or does similar severe sins. It may be repugnant to you, but I’m not trying to gefel you so I don’t care what you think.
AAQ, that is a good observation
AAQ, I agree that schoolwork should be interesting. I think school should be stimulating and not constant memorization or taking notes.
Syag, I can’t help you on your presumption that I haven’t researched the topic. I certainly researched a lot about this topic, I watched videos and read articles. However, I’m not falling for modern mentality that makes everyone a victim in their own way. Whoever is labeled “ADHD” has gifts that could be used in a positive or negative way and thats the way I see it.
You can label my opinions “rants” if that makes you feel better.