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Joseph,
The moderators approved my questions every time I posted them. It’s obvious to them and everyone else that there is no anger or ranting in my post. I asked very simple questions regarding the sources you cited and you’re on the spot to respond. The only angry person here is you and now you’re running scared from your own sources, like the bully you are. Answer the questions or stop posting.
Please do not infer any opinions as to the tone of a post simply because it was approved.
Joseph,
More fake halacha and still trying to weasel out of answering some very simple questions. You quoted the sources and therefore shouldn’t be afraid to answer the following:
1) Do you only let your wife out of the house twice a month?
2) How many times have you hit her to make her do what’s right?
3) Do you support your children past the age of six?Avoiding these questions only confirms what everyone already suspects, that you’re nothing more than a sick troll, an constant eyesore (your word) on this site.
Joseph,
Why are you so afraid to answer questions about the very sources you quoted? Is it because you only cited them to criticize other Jews but don’t actually follow them yourself? You do know that such reprehensible behavior is the textbook definition of a filthy troll, correct? Is that how you want to be known?
Joseph,
I see you’re off trolling again about Zionism and trying to weasel out of answering some very simple questions. You quoted the sources and therefore shouldn’t be afraid to answer the following:
1) Do you only let your wife out of the house twice a month?
2) How many times have you hit her to make her do what’s right?
3) Do you support your children past the age of six?Avoiding these questions only confirms what everyone already suspects, that you’re nothing more than a sick troll, an constant eyesore (your word) on this site.
GH,
If he were more forthcoming, Joseph would actually tell you that “Kol Kevudah” means that women should never be outside their homes at all and shouldn’t even be walking on the sidewalk.
“Joseph- you didn’t answer my question”
That’s because Rabbeinu Joseph paskens, based upon “Kol Kevudah Bas Melech Penima”, that a woman should really ride in the trunk of a car, but certainly no closer to the front than the back seat.
“There’s still the issue of the tznius woman being an eyesore”
Joseph,
Did you read what you wrote before posting it? Creating a fake halacha so you can then call a woman an eyesore? Maybe HKB”H looks down at your eagerness to constantly find fault with other Jews and considers you to be an eyesore.
” So while you can nitpick about Boro Park, no one will deny there are Yiddishe Kehilos and neighborhoods where this issue does apply.”
Joseph,
You claim that a woman from Flatbush who needs to run an errand in Williamsburg isn’t allowed to drive herself there because of minhag. That’s the kind of fake halacha we’ve all come to expect from you.
“And just because some people who are frum do something, doesn’t make it right.”
Joseph,
First you created a minhag that women in BP don’t drive, so now you get to say that the many women driving cars there are wrong.
A person who makes stuff up just to declare that other Jews are doing something wrong is in need of pretty serious help.
Joseph,
On busy streets, like 13th Ave. for example, at least 50% of the drivers are women. Regardless of where they actually may live, it means you can’t claim the minhag in BP is that women don’t drive. Unless of course you’re claiming that all those women are in violation of your made-up minhag by driving there, which I wouldn’t put past you.
“The minhag hamakom in Boro Park is that women don’t drive?”
Joseph,
You didn’t answer Meno’s question or was that deliberate trolling on your part? At least 50% of the drivers on the busier streets of BP are women. So much for your made-up minhag.
“Has anyone yet explained why the vast majority of Gedolim and rabbonim basically stick to white shirts? Isn’t it silly of all of those leaders to avoid non-white shirts?”
Joseph,
Has anyone yet explained why the vast majority of Gedolim and rabbonim basically stick to wearing “long”? Isn’t it silly of all of those leaders to avoid regular jackets? This thread isn’t about regular people apishly copying the Gedolim, or perhaps you think we should all treat you like a gadol?
Neville ,
Nobody is saying that you should wear a colored shirt and nobody is saying that yeshivos can’t set their own dress codes. However, it’s wrong that some negatively stereotype those who wear colored shirts. It’s also wrong that a yeshiva that doesn’t normally mandate white shirts is compelled to do so because otherwise they’d be negatively stereotyped.
Neville,
It’s every bit as shallow to judge someone who wears a white shirt as being intolerant as it is to judge someone who wears a colored shirt as being “leftern” (your word).
People have every right to notice the clothing that someone else is wearing but they’re not free to judge and stereotype the person if they’re not violating halacha. The fact that this happens in certain places is not to their credit.
Neville,
Wearing a white shirt doesn’t make you shallow but judging and stereotyping someone for wearing a colored shirt most certainly does.
“Could you imagine Rav Moshe or Rav Chaim in a blue shirt?”
Joseph,
Only a nasty troll could imagine Rav Moshe or Rav Chaim judging someone for wearing a blue shirt.
“There are no Chareidim in the IDF. Only former Chareidim gone bad”
Mods,
Please stop supporting this sick, nasty troll and ban him.
” I wear white, not because I think it’s a halachic issue, but because wearing colored would cause people to associate me with the leftern hemisphere of the community.”
Thankfully, for the most part the USA doesn’t suffer from the societal shallowness of other places and one isn’t automatically pegged as “leftern” (whatever that is) simply for wearing a colored shirt.
“And it’s funny how all the boys I meet that where colored shirts, are either not comfortable with it, not comfortable with people wearing white shirts, and lots of them still carry anger towards those people and the society in general.”
Shopping,
Most people in the USA aren’t so shallow that they look down on those who wear colored shirts, so it’s not an issue that divides and causes bitterness. Hopefully things will remain that way over here and you should find your zivug over there!
“And why do you think the better boys felt discouraged from enrolling in a Yeshiva with colored shirts?”
Joseph,
Simple. Chofetz Chaim has an unmatched eighty-five year track record of producing Rabbonim, Roshei Yeshivos, Talmedei Chachamim, Mechanchim, Yorei Shamayim and Manhigim, despite the fact that they never mandated white shirts. However, too many people in Brooklyn (and other places) judge others only by the color of their shirt instead of the content of their character, so Rabbi Harris had to reluctantly make an exception for that specific location.
Nice attempt at trolling.
“MTAB, go give masculists a bad name somewhere else, maybe somewhere where they don’t treat dogs like babies.”
Mods,
Perhaps it’s time to close this thread. Schneubs has received answers and chizuk. We wouldn’t want things to degenerate into a squabble about dating and cause him to become jaded before he’s even started!
“But I feel the smartest thing is to have a viable parnassah before.”
Schneubs,
You’re a very smart guy. They’re going to be lining up around the block to date you!
“It hurt so much being in yeshiva, watching many of my friends learning and enjoying it…”
Schneubs.
The fact that this hurt speaks volumes about you. Commit yourself to learning daily, daven for “Veha’arev”, sweetness in Torah and it will be granted to you. What your friends are doing may or may not be the right path for them but you have to do what works for you and be happy with it. Sometimes, the best bochurim in yeshiva don’t consider that full-time learning may not be for them because they enjoy it so much and are doing what everyone else is doing. When they finally do realize and are suddenly burdened with the heavy yoke of earning a livelihood, bitterness sets in and they never learn a word. Having a chavrusa is helpful because knowing that he’s waiting for you pushes you to learn, even though you may be exhausted from school or from work.
If you don’t feel the push to start dating right now, you may want to finish your courses and start working before you do so. This will set you on your chosen path and help you to really feel confident in yourself, which will make it easier to find your life-partner. You can see that the entire YWN Coffee Room is rooting for you and wishes you much hatzlacha!
Schneubs,
From the way you describe yourself it seems like you have yiras shamayim and good midos. You did some serious introspection, realized that full-time learning is not going to be your path to success and embarked on a plan to support yourself. Good for you!
I’m sure you realize that as difficult as learning is for you, it’s something you must do on a daily basis. Both for the knowledge you need to function out in the world as a committed Jew, as well as to keep yourself on the “straight and narrow”. Learning something you enjoy, arranging a chavrusa or attending an engaging shiur will help you to do so. Along with davening with a minyan, it’s also something that the kind of girl you want to marry will insist upon.
Doing so will give you confidence in yourself and shidduchim should go well for you. There may be some shadchanim or girls or their mommies that look at you askance. Don’t pay any attention them, they’re not worthy of you. Keep davening for your zivug and do what you’re supposed to be doing. IY”H, you will find her at the right time!
“And as stated, the seculars receive far more government monetary benefits.”
Repeating this again and again won’t make it true. The secular are more educated and represented in the workforce, pay more in taxes and receive less benefit than the charedim do.
In regards to secular gratitude, you can’t expect those who aren’t raised with Torah to innately appreciate its benefits. They need to be taught by example and with love. Rioting, spitting, name-calling and demanding are not effective teaching tools.
Joseph,
It doesn’t take very long for you to turn nasty, does it?
I never denied the spiritual value of what Torah learners contribute, nor did I recommend decreasing their government funding by even a single Shekel. The topic of this thread is State support and gratitude. The secular can legitimately argue that most graduates of their institutions go to work and pay taxes, while most graduates of Charedi institutions don’t.
The usual tripe that the State hates Torah, doesn’t contribute enough to Charedim and therefore doesn’t deserve any gratitude whatsoever is wrong and counterproductive.
Joseph,
Charedi institutions are subsidized by the government out of proportion with the taxes they pay. The secular can legitimately argue that they’re getting a raw deal. They work hard and are taxed to pay for those who don’t have even high school educations, don’t work, live below the poverty line and therefore don’t pay taxes.
Joseph,
Charedim and their institutions receive far more financial aid, proportionately to their population and in terms of real shekels, compared to the secular and their institutions. Charedim comprise 12% of the population, only 13% of their men have a high-school education, only 50% of their men work and 45% of their households live below the poverty line. So the hard-working secular in Israel can argue that they’re being shortchanged. The charedim are the ones that should be thanking the secular, whom they spit on at every opportunity, while they are being taxed to support them all the same.
“If the Israeli government subsidizes secular schools and universities with tax dollars, frum Israeli taxpayers have every right to expect the government to similarly subsidize yeshivos and Kollels.”
If the Israeli government subsidized all institutions in proportion with the percentage that their constituents paid in taxes, yeshivos and kolellim would receive a tiny percentage of their current allocations. Instead, secular men and women work hard and are taxed to support yeshivos and kolellim well beyond the taxes that charedi men and women contribute. Instead of constantly thumbing your nose at all non-charedim and expecting more and more from them, how about a bit of overdue gratitude instead? It might go a long way to heal some of the hatred that charedim always insist is being directed towards them.
“In hilchos tzadaka it states that if you give tzadaka unwillingly, you lose all your reward.”
Supporting able-bodied people who choose to learn instead of work does not qualify as tzedaka, which one is obligated to give. It’s considered instead “hachzokas haTorah”, which is not mandatory.
It’s a very sad situation when Jews can accept support from other Jews and not even have the slightest feeling of gratitude. It raises serious questions about their supposed learning.
“Which “state” do you refer to. If you mean Medinat Yisrael, the obvious answer is “NO”. Israel is a secular state whose stated goal is to build a country free from the yoke of Torah. That, alone, is the raison d’etre.”
So the USA, which indirectly supports Torah through the welfare system, deserves our gratitude but the State of Israel, which does so directly by supporting people who learn, doesn’t? Despite everything the State does and has done, it can simply be labeled as anti-Torah and therefore no longer deserving of our gratitude? If the hallmark of a Jew is gratitude, it’s such ungrateful people who are free of the yoke of Torah, not the State.
“I’m going by what I head from Rabbi Miller. He said when he was in Lithuania before the war, most of the men weren’t working and they spent their days in the shteebel.”
So? R. Miller also wrote that when he was in Slabodka, chilul Shabbos was so rampant that the public transportation, which ran every few minutes to nearby Kovno, was full of Jews going to work in the morning.
You can’t prove anything from how things were in Europe.
“The difference is that the lack of tznius is worse in Chabad than any other group which considers itself chareidi, and certainly any group which calls itself chassidish.”
Not true. There are too many Chabad women, even in shlichus, who don’t dress as they should. Someone in the know once characterized their clothing choices as “trendy, tight and tiger-print”. However, there are certain neighborhoods in New York, near a number of leading yeshivos, where the men dress like they just left the Beis Medrash while their wives and daughters dress like they just left a Vogue shoot.
“Rav Shach said had he sung Shabbos zemiros with a bren like his neighbor that he could hear, then his son would’ve been a Ben Torah.”
Joseph,
Had the father in question been dati, you’d be telling us how typical that is because they simply don’t care about Shabbos the way charedim do.
“Phil, I’d rather leave you in suspense.”
Joseph,
Sorry to disappoint you. I didn’t expect you to be able to answer a simple, direct question about your scornful behavior.
“Rav Shach’s son and grandson were and are always frum. (He became Daati, not anything else.)”
Joseph,
You harangue and criticize Dati Jews as worse than irreligious whenever you’re given the slightest chance to do so. But now that we’re discussing the family of Harav Schach, zt”l, Dati Jews aren’t quite so evil? Please do enlighten us.
“19 States allow corporal punishment in public and private schools. NY public school regulations prohibit it but private schools are permitted.”
Joseph,
That really makes you happy, doesn’t it? No topic seems to excite you more than that of corporal punishment and physical compulsion. You still haven’t disclosed who your Rabbeim were.
“Halacha empowers us (meaning Beis Din bzman hazeh) to enforce bein adam lmakom Halachas, even via corporal punishment if necessary.”
Joseph,
There you go again, making up your own halachos. You are also completely fixated with corporal punishment and physical violence. I’m sure everyone would be interested in knowing who your Rabbeim were.
Joseph makes up his own halachos and falsely attributes them to nebulous sources that he consistently refuses to name when challenged on where those unnamed sources are.
“Anyone who takes Joseph seriously, needs to get back to the Beis Medrash. He is what makes this place entertaining”
I went to the Beis Medrash but then came back and looked again at what Joseph wrote. It’s usually pretty easy to laugh at the complete joke that he is, but a post about being deputized to commit physical violence isn’t funny. I worry about anyone who actually has to live with such a person.
“The very same S”A that tells us that, today, we are to (physically if necessary) punish wayward Yidden who violate בין אדם למקום.”
Mods,
I realize that Joseph exists to troll but this really crosses the line. To post this kind of statement, even in jest, demonstrates a proclivity to aberrant behavior. Please, contact the authorities immediately so they can investigate and ensure that he isn’t acting violently against family members!
“Yet Halacha l’maaisa today is that we now here in America are deputized to be a Pinchos in our times”
YWN’s very own “Barney Fife” trolls in such a nasty manner because he’s convinced himself that he’s been officially deputized to criticize other Jews. He would do well to remember that this is the very definition of the baseless hatred that is preventing Moshiach from coming. Other than the gedolim of a generation, nobody has been put in charge of criticizing another Jew. On the notably few occasions when our leaders have to criticize, they can manage just fine without anyone else’s help.
“Do you think that at Rav Malkiel’s sons weddings the Choson walked side by side with the kallah into the hall party room’s women’s section to the announcement of “For the very first time, Mr. & Mrs. Avrumi Kotler!!”?”
Do you think Mr. & Mrs. Avrumi Kotler held hands while leaving the chupah? By that definitive measure, doing so must have crept-in from the goyim.
While gedolim tirelessly endeavor to justify the practices of Jews, no matter how seemingly inexplicable, you tirelessly troll, nitpick and find fault. How sad.
“Do very Chasidish newlyweds walk in side-by-side into the hall?”
Who gives a hoot? The rest of the Jewish world doesn’t have to adopt their practices. Many chassidim have the custom that the chosson holds the kallah’s hand as they leave the chupah. We should ask if perhaps this is a foreign idea that has creeped-in from the goyim.
Joseph,
I think flowers means to say that you are spouting stupidity for a change. As usual, you incorrectly quote from a source that something is a mandated requirement when the source doesn’t actually say that it is. All for the inner satisfaction you get from criticizing other Jews. Sounds like the opposite of smart to me.
“Dates must occur in the privacy of the parent’s home”
“Why?”adocs,
Because Joseph is so enamored with Chassidim that he thinks everyone should date as they do, even if they weren’t raised that world. He considers those who do otherwise “sinful”.
It’s one of his many hangups.
Yitzhak,
Aside from AARTS accreditation, ensure that the institution is either nationally or regionally accredited. State accreditation in insufficient for many graduate-level programs.
If previous posts are any indication, I think this is where Joseph labels entire swaths of Jewry as “sinful”.
Joseph,
Please stop blaming your misogyny on Halacha and projecting it on to R. Aharon, zt”l.
trimmed
“Most young women with children won’t be out in the streets on Shabbos if there’s no eruv”
Yeah, why should young women with children, or any women anywhere for that matter, be out in the street on Shabbos or any other day of the week? Surely R. Aharon, zt”l held that women shouldn’t ever be seen nor heard from, right, Joseph?