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Neville,
It would be wonderful if the resident troll actually posted comments such as, “I like NYC better. It has more religious resources”. Instead, every thread is filled with the usual drivel, like those regarding IT vs. OOT:
“Giving up the humongous ruchniyos benefits of living IT to gain some ostensible gashmiyus benefits of OOT, is terribly foolish.”
“I’m sorry to see that you still haven’t been able to overcome your jealousy of those zoche to life IT”
“OOT is very often a spiritual danger zone”
When someone constantly questions the basic life choices of other Jews and judges them as being foolish and jealous, that’s the textbook definition of a nasty troll. Especially when said troll is so woefully ignorant of any reality outside his Brooklyn basement tenement.
“The Torah says that while we are in golus the land should lie empty”
Where does the Torah say that? What the Torah does say is that since Shmita wasn’t kept during most of the first Beis Hamikdash period, the land would receive its due rest when we were sent into exile for seventy years. Regardless, the opinion of the Satmar Rav, zt”l was categorically rejected by the vast majority of Torah observant Jews and their leaders. In addition to religious Zionists, huge numbers of chassidim from Belz, Ger, Vizhnitz, Chabad, etc., Sephardim, as well as the large yeshiva communities of Mir, Chevron, Ponevezh, Brisk, etc., currently live there. Torah observant Jews cast almost one million ballots, comprising nearly 25% of the votes during the Knesset elections three months ago.
They and their leaders are not concerned with any prohibition against living there “en masse” and they’re there to stay; even the Brisker.
“On what basis would you assume gezel of kesef is less severe than attacking a divorcee?”
This thread deteriorated from an exercise in “critical thinking” to troll food for a menuval shelo birshus to publicly question whether raping a Jewish woman is no worse than stealing a wallet. What a low for YWN.
me? I didn’t write those posts!
“we are not forbidden from having them”
KY,
I realize their are a differing opinions but at times the Torah does enjoin us regarding our emotions; loving Hashem, not hating in our heart, etc. Regarding Dina, I’d say that Shimon and Levi did a pretty good job punishing the perpetrators and Yakov’s criticism wasn’t necessarily over their delivering justice. What a shame that your ideological purity and disdain for western morals wouldn’t be enough for you to control your base emotions. You seem to have a much harder time explaining your “critical thinking” when asked to consider your own personal reactions, rather than just standing on a soap box.
“Jewish opposition to the State of Israel is pro-Judaism and pro-Torah”
Joseph,
Especially when done in Gaza on Shabbos and in Tehran as part of a Holocaust Denial conference, by people who dress as and claim to be Charedim. That’s what happens when the only “mitzvah” you care about is hating other Jews.
Thank you President Donald Trump for strongly condemning antisemitism and having your administration work tirelessly in combating it, more so than any previous administration in United States history.
Thank you also for not being duped by the haters who disguise their vile antisemitism as opposition to the State of Israel. Especially those dressed like charedim who join our enemies in Gaza and London for Shabbos and in Tehran for Holocaust Denial conferences. Thank you for recognizing that they too are anti-Semites!
“we are not forbidden from having them”
KY,
I already answered your question about “fairness”.
I realize there are a differing opinions but at times the Torah does enjoin us regarding our emotions; loving Hashem, not hating in our heart, etc. Regarding Dina, I’d say that Shimon and Levi did a pretty good job punishing the perpetrators and Yakov’s criticism wasn’t necessarily over their delivering justice. What a shame that your ideological purity and disdain for western morals wouldn’t be enough for you to control your base emotions. You seem to have a much harder time explaining your “critical thinking” when asked to consider your own personal reactions, rather than just standing on a soap box.
“how is that fair to her ever?”
KY,
I’m not the poster who is attempting to fabricate all kinds of ideological dogma based on several words in the Torah, you are. That said, it’s completely her decision whether to be married to him and he can never divorce her once they are, unless she agrees. Now, please answer my question (post #1758346).
“no I’d imagine a person in that situation would be aghast”
KY,
According to your novel interpretation of what the Torah demands, what right do you have to feel any more “aghast” than if her property was stolen? You would be obligated to control your base feelings and properly educate your daughter to do the same. Otherwise, you would be surrendering to impure western morals and going against the will of Hashem, who expects much better from such an ideologically pure person such as yourself.
“Again I’m just reading the Torah.”
KY,
So being the fine, Torah-observant Jew that you are, uncorrupted by western morals, if ch”v this happened to your daughter, you’d feel no worse than if a Jew stole her pocketbook? And of course you would insist that she feel the same way? After all, that’s what the Torah expects, right?
“One can say that a molester is a mazik, and as such is chayav the same as any other mazik. But that is not a special chiyuv for molestation.”
KY,
Harav SZ Auerbach, zt”l, Harav YS Elyashiv, zt”l, and the Tzitz Eliezer, zt”l, paskened that a molester is a rodef, not a mere mazik. Victims of molestation who are left scarred with severe emotional trauma, often die from substance abuse and suicide. Perhaps you recall a very public example of this which took place in Brooklyn almost a decade ago.
Joseph,
Did that fulfill your exacting standards for Tochachah or would you like some more?
“The requirement for everyone to give Tochachah”
Joseph,
Thanks for opening my eyes so that I can properly fulfill this obligation! I’m going to start with you:
You are filled with hate and with jealousy of other Jews and only love yourself. You advocate violence against women and children. You are a self-admitted hypocrite and a nasty troll. You waste untold hours of your life on criticizing and hurting other Jews. The only mitzvah you pretend to care about is “Hocheiach Tochiach” but do so in the most egregiously self-serving way, thereby violating the prohibition of “V’lo Sisa Alav Chet” every time. You regularly engage in Lashon Hara and Motzei Shem Ra against entire communities of Jews you have never met. You have therefore made repentance for the countless sins you commit on a daily basis impossible. You misrepresent what little Torah knowledge you glean from the web and deliberately pervert it to cause massive Chilul Hashem. Your very existence is an embodiment of Sinas Chinam which prevents our redemption.
I am truly appreciative of this newfound understanding so I sincerely pray that your existence in this world and the next one be a mirror reflection of the way you treat Hashem’s children.
“To take a common example, can someone who is bittul zman not advocate that people not be bitul zman or at least do so less?”
Joseph,
You have made a very important observation about yourself so please contemplate my comment and don’t lash out defensively. When proper leaders with the mandate to rebuke others exercise it, they do so only when necessary, they first include themselves in the criticism and they then discuss how everyone can improve. You are not a Rav and not a Rebbi so your mandate to rebuke others is non-existent. Yet somehow you have turned a twisted view of Hocheiach Tochiach into your only purpose in life. You waste countless hours on this site incessantly criticizing entire groups of Jews on every imagined shortcoming, yet you never admit to having those very faults yourself.
To answer your question: no; one who engages in bittul zman, uses unreliable hechsheirim and embezzles cannot criticize others for doing so because that’s the epitome of hypocrisy and also the very definition of a troll. Hocheiach Tochiach is not the primary objective of any sane person. Criticism should generally be directed inward for the purpose of self-improvement. When a person occasionally admits to their own faults, expresses remorse and gently shares with others how they were able to improve, that’s a mitzvah. Constantly beating up others because of one’s own flaws is the opposite of a mitzvah
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Talmidchochom,
If I were to hazard a guess, they are probably Chassidish and they are in the minority, correct? Such cases are certainly the exception and not the rule in the Litvish yeshiva world.
Talmidchochom,
Seriously, how many Litvish bachurim do you know with such a kabbalah?
Talmidchochom,
Most of the Litvish yeshiva world holds that it’s permitted to shave, despite our resident nasty troll’s contention that they don’t know as much halacha as he does.
Talmidchochom,
It has nothing to do with prohibition. Most Litvish Roshei Yeshiva consider it to be “yuhara” for a bachur to grow a beard. Many kollel men do let their beards grow. Some do so right away and some wait before doing so, often until they move on to a community kollel, teaching position or Rabbinic pulpit.
Yabia,
A nasty troll who doesn’t like sephardim, females, those with a secular education, those who live OOT, those who love Israel, those who shave, those who don’t take frequent haircuts and a whole host of other Jews.
“Did it occur to you that Rav Chaim was speaking to the specific bachur and commented on something that was appropriate for him?”
NP,
Of course not. Our resident nasty troll is actively searching for excuses to create dissent and factionalism among Jews, especially as we approach the Three Weeks.
“he himself didn’t approve Or at least never expressed disapproval of the shita against beards of the
Mirrer Yeshiva Except for those on a much higher level”Truth,
You’re 100% correct. There’s a famous picture taken in the early ’50’s of the entire Mir yeshiva in Brooklyn, nearly all of whom were clean-shaven, including a young Harav Shmuel Birnbaum, zt”l, at the time already married to the eldest daughter of Harav Kalmanowitz, zt”l. I guess he didn’t know as much halacha as our resident nasty troll.
” See my above citation of Maran HaGaon HaRav Aharon Leib Shteinman. What he said about shaving is effectively the exact equivalent to my current comparison of shaving to the old state of Shatnes in Orthodox Jewry.”
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For the past eighteen months we have been a generation bereft of our leader, Harav Shteinman, zt”l. B”H, you have stepped into the breach to rebuke the entire Litvish yeshiva world in his name. Such a comfort!
Just Another Yid,
I’m quite aware that there are numerous opinions which forbid shaving. However, when someone has the nerve to dismiss Harav Moshe Feinstein, zt”l as a da’as yachid and treat the accepted practice in Litvish yeshivos worldwide like shatznez observance before Joseph Rosenberger’s efforts, that’s fake halacha.
I’m convinced that our resident troll is a woman since no man is capable of such visceral hatred towards females.
“There aren’t enough good girls. Really it is much easier being a good girl than being a good boy”
Josephine,
More fake news from you. A “good girl” must excel in tzniyus, yiras shamayim, practical Torah knowledge and chesed. If she wants to support a husband in learning, she must also excel in secular knowledge and be prepared to navigate the working world. A “good boy” need do nothing more than stay in yeshiva until he’s married. There’s usually no objective measure of how “good” he is in learning.
If it was so hard “for a boy to find a girl equally good to himself” there would be many more older single boys than girls, yet the exact opposite is true. So are you dismissing them as not being “good girls”? And was your recent heartless comment on another thread, “A majority of Chareidi girls are married before they’re 25” intended as a comfort to the many girls who aren’t? What’s wrong with you?
“Giving up the humongous ruchniyos benefits of living IT to gain some ostensible gashmiyus benefits of OOT”
Josephine,
How ironic that you associate IT with “ruchniyos” and OOT with “gashmiyus”. While living IT does have certain advantages, the level of hedonism, materialism and “keeping-up” too often drives people away from spiritual pursuits and even OTD. Most OOT communities have a much simpler and less ostentatious standard of living than IT, allowing people to truly focus on serving Hashem. Unfortunately, Lakewood and Monsey can be considered IT in this regard.
The glaring issue here is your sick need to judge and denigrate those who are different in any way from you. Of course, we can’t even be sure that you actually live in Brooklyn, have 3 wives, 27 children and work for the public school system. You could really be someone named Irene living in a nursing home in Topeka. Oh well; troll on.
Josephine,
Your silly, made-up “knowledge” regarding OOT communities demonstrates your woeful ignorance and that you’ve probably never stepped out of Brooklyn. For the sake of the rest of the world, please keep it that way.
“just about every Rav and Posek and Jewish leader in Baltimore was brought up in communities outside of Baltimore”
Josephine,
The fact that these leaders chose Baltimore over other cities is a reason to seriously consider living there. Your need to constantly criticize other communities shows that Brooklyn, the catch-measles-and-get-assaulted-in-the-street capital of Judaism, is truly the perfect place for you. It will serve the world well if you never step out of it.
Lightbrite,
One can never really know anything for certain about Josephine. That said, our resident troll spews forth a continuous stream of praise for “holy” Brooklyn and criticism of the growing majority of world Jewry who defy the imaginary ban of living in Eretz Yisrael before Mashiach’s arrival.
Josephine,
I don’t think that suffrage is a matter of psak any longer because that ship sailed a century ago and the world is a fundamentally different place. You called for this right to be revoked and attempted to justify your usual misogyny. Then, as usual, you didn’t hesitate to label those who disagreed with your fake halacha as being “feminist” or in favor of toeiva rights. No Rav or posek advocates for what you proposed in your thread. Abortion is a completely separate issue and many contemporary poskim feel that it should be much more restricted. But I’m not telling you anything you don’t already know. When you ask “Do you similarly consider legalized abortion a fait accompli that must not be opposed?” you are simply looking to broadly paint those who disagree with your view on suffrage as somehow in favor of abortion on demand. At the very least you’re being disingenuous and more likely, it’s just more of your usual trolling.
Josephine,
Nope, secular societies can decide all such issues on their own, without any psak. You’re the one who constantly attempts to support your “holy” hatreds with made-up, fake halacha.
You started this thread to advocate revoking the voting rights of women and then attempted to justify your misogynist view with a psak from a century ago, before they were granted that right. It just kills you that women exercise the right to vote and now you’re angry because you can’t quote a psak to take it away. Go hate somewhere else.
Luna,
Voting doesn’t require a psak but advocating for that right to be revoked from anyone, does.
“Men’s suffrage must end.”
Luna,
Do you have a posek to support your idea or are you just rhetorically flipping Josephine’s nastiness back where it came from?
ywnjudy,
Josephine, our resident nasty troll, is telling you that females don’t belong in the coffeeroom but please feel free to ignore any fake halacha you find splattered on its walls.
“R Yaakov Weinberg is on record having stated more than once feminism & subsequent offshoots [transgenderism,etc.] is a greater challenge & danger more than any other travail that we faced over three millennia!”
Truth,
Harav Weinberg, zt”l, was absolutely correct, those are our greatest challenges. He also stated publicly that while his Rabbeim and other Gedolim decided it was worthwhile for women to work in order to support husbands in kollel, we can’t deny that decision caused great upheaval to our families and to the entire male/female dynamic.
The question isn’t whether women should be able to vote since we’re a century past that decision. The question is whether that right should now be taken away from them; it takes a posek to make that call, not Josephine.
“But in either event that is irrelevant towards the merits of the points in this discussion, which I’ve explained on both a Torah and rational basis.”
flowers,
Josephine is admitting to you that no posek has called for an end to suffrage and that she has nothing more to go on than her usual glib dismissal of opposing comments, a “boich svara”.
“Joseph, Are you married?”
LOTR,
“Joseph” claims to be married to 3 women and to have 27 children but given the visceral hatred and disdain of females, I’m just a bit skeptical. I posit that our resident, nasty troll is actually a self-hating female named Josephine.
Joseph,
I don’t take my queues from sick web trolls but from real life poskim and I don’t hear any of them calling for suffrage repeal. If you were sane you’d realize that a person who doesn’t constantly express visceral hatred to females isn’t a “feminist” but a “rational human being”. With the greatest sensitivity to your multiple mental illnesses, if you got back on your meds you’d have a better chance of comprehending that.
Joseph,
I’m quite aware that suffrage was opposed for legitimate reasons a century ago, just as a Jewish state was. Then both came into being and our Torah leaders had to address these new realities. You enjoy resurrecting these old, decided issues just to spout your fake halachic opinions of what is “appropriate and ideal”, when no posek does so. Your odious intent is to troll, divide Jews and express your disdain for females. It’s time to get back on your meds.
Joseph,
A full century after suffrage was granted, you will not find a posek calling for its repeal or telling women they can’t vote. On numerous occasions I have seen the wives of Roshei Yeshiva, Rabbonim and Rabbeim voting at the polls.
Admit it, you forgot to take your meds again and this is just more of your misogynist, fake halacha trolling.
Joseph,
I’m no feminist but women have been voting in this country for nearly the past century. Can you provide a source from a posek or are you once again spouting fake halacha to express your visceral hatred and disdain of females?
“After 100 years it’s time to recognize that the experiment has failed.”
Joseph,
Good luck with that, you misogynist troll.
“We’ve had so much success over the past 50+ years with kiruv, Baruch Hashem, that perhaps most of those who could be persuaded to become frum have already become frum. So what’s left are those unwilling.”
Joseph,
Wow, it sounds like you’re a real expert, with “so much success over the past 50+ years”. It’s a bit hard to believe, given your less than tolerant approach to other Jews. Actual outreach professionals report they while they are as challenged as ever, they are also as busy ever. Only a faker such as yourself would say about 85% of world Jewry, “So what’s left are those unwilling”.
Yid,
I realize that Joseph is nothing more than a nasty troll but I didn’t want his mockery of a holy Sephardic custom to go unanswered.
“Except that the family record, in the Chofetz Chaim’s handwriting, published in one of the early volumes of the Hebrew Meir Einei Yisroel, uses repeatedly the name Poupko”
Shuali,
Are you able to specify the volume, as well as where and when it was printed?
“Rav Yisroel Meir HaKohein Poupko”
Shuali,
The Chafetz Chaim, zt”l did not have the last name of “Poupko”. His eldest son, R. Aryeh Leib, took that name when he obtained documents from that well-known Radin family to be exempted from army service.
“You seem to have a rather negative view of eating pizza, Phil.”
Joseph,
I have no problem with anyone eating pizza. Regardless of the Mimouna menu (typically bread, fish, meat, pastries, etc.), comparing this holy Sephardic custom to a “pizza party” is as inappropriate as calling a tish “dinner and a show”.
“Pizza is a popular way to break into chometz.”
Joseph,
You wouldn’t trivialize the holy customs of Chassidim to eat foods such as honey cake and kreplach at certain times of the year by comparing them to eating pizza. Don’t trivialize the holy customs of Sephardim.
“A fancier name for the pizza party after Pesach.”
Joseph,
Are you mocking a holy Moroccan custom that goes back hundreds of years?
“funnybone: Kol Yisroel Areivim Zeh Lzeh. We’re all responsible for each other and must give mussar when necessary.”
Joseph,
Great, here’s some for you!
You use YWN as a bully-pulpit to criticize and divide Jews whom you’ve never met. You waste way too much time on the web and don’t learn nearly enough, then you pretend to be a great posek as you spout fake halacha. You have a violent streak and become most animated at the thought of women and children being subjected to physical abuse. The mods have stated that you are a “confirmed 100% real life stalker, who has stalked many people through YWN”.
I think you have enough right there to start doing teshuva but it would be most effective if you got back on your meds first.
You’re welcome!
“But she should seek a job minimizing to the extent possible her absence from the home.”
Joseph,
No, she and her husband should speak to their LOR to discuss her employment, especially if she needs a “real” job to support her husband’s learning or to help pay minimum tuition for their children. It doesn’t matter what your “general sources” are since their practical application will depend upon the individual guidance of their posek.
Your continuous spouting of fake halacha and chumra on issues pertaining to women demonstrates your cluelessness and animus towards them. Get help.