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OOT,
You really shouldn’t be soliciting advice from websites and putting yourself at risk of being trolled by people who are ignorant of what goes on in yeshiva. Speak to a friend who knows the clothing standard for the yeshiva you’ll be attending. You may hail from Podunk and that’s not a bad thing but you don’t necessarily want to make it obvious to everyone who meets you for the first time by appearing different.
“The only American women in Vietnam during the war were nurses.”
False. Of the 11,000 women who served in the U.S. armed forces in Vietnam, most were military nurses but over 1,000 of them served as doctors, air traffic controllers, intelligence officers, clerks and in other positions. Many more served on behalf of the Red Cross, USO and other civilian organizations.
The absolute worst anti-Semites are Jews who dedicate their sad lives to dividing, criticizing and stigmatizing other Jews, focusing on meaningless differences instead of on the Torah observance that unites us. Whether due to their own deep-seated feelings of worthlessness or out of baseless hatred, they will have to account for every nasty word they express and every bit of hurt they inflict. Such cruel behavior caused the Beis Hamikdash to be destroyed and is preventing it from being rebuilt.
It’s obvious from the comments that most people aren’t familiar with this shul and think it’s just another Young Israel.
Century Village is a gated retirement community located in Deerfield Beach, FL with 30,000 senior citizens residing on its square mile property. The Young Israel of Deerfield Beach, located just outside the gate, is the only shul serving that community. Rabbi Yisroel Edelman, a Lubavitcher chasid, has led their 1,200 members for more than a decade with great dedication, especially to the health and safety concerns of his aging membership. Two months ago, the Rabbi and the Board wisely decided that they must close the shul and forbid all private minyanim since all of their members are at-risk seniors. Any breach of social distancing presents an imminent threat not only to their lives but to those of tens of thousands of other senior residents, many of them Jews.
The breach that occurred has no similarity to what might be happening in any other community. One can only imagine the nightmare scenario if ch”v the virus would begin to spread there. The Rav and the Board were correct to send this letter informing their members that such dangerous behavior has serious consequences and can’t be tolerated.
The sore loser who decided to publicize this letter beyond the shul membership will have to answer for it.
“Do not answer business calls during personal non-business time.”
That could be very bad advice for many, Until work schedules return to “normal”, employers are expecting the employees they can still pay to be highly flexible and ultimate team players.
“It is a severe breach of tznius to put a Jewish women surrounded by strange, even gentile, men”
Joseph,
After WWII, many Litvish Gedolim encouraged that women work outside the home to support husbands learning in kollel. Most parents simply can’t support their children who aspire to do so for the long term and teaching in a cheder won’t pay the bills. This is just more trolling on your part.
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Gadol,
Comparing NYC to Israel is logically more sound than comparing it to Montana, despite what the uneducated troll insists. Israel’s prime minister quickly and effectively implemented the recommended restrictions to fight the outbreak. NYC’s fool of a mayor wasted time fretting over political correctness.
It’s also instructive to compare two charedi communities; Telz Stone is smaller than Williamsburg but their population density is about the same. Immediately after Purim, Telz Stone sealed itself off, shut all its institutions down and implemented social distancing. A third of the community was quarantined based upon contact tracing and the Rav of the main shul included himself even though he didn’t have to, to set an example. Compliance was mandatory and the town supplied everyone under quarantine with food, educational materials and other necessities. As a result, only two dozen people were hospitalized and they suffered no fatalities. Williamsburg’s response wasn’t as timely or universal and they unfortunately suffered many losses.
Joseph,
False; Montana has much lower per capita cases of coronavirus because, among other factors, its population density is a mere seven people per square mile. Comparing that to NYC or just about anywhere else besides Alaska, is meaningless. Unless of course you’re advocating that Jews leave NYC for wider spaces, which would be the most sane idea you ever had, but somehow I doubt that’s what you meant.
“What can NYC learn from Montana? Or from Canada”
The fatality rate for confirmed cases in Montana is 3.5%; in Canada it’s 6.3%; in Israel it’s 1.4%. Those not afflicted by Israel derangement syndrome which leftists, Muslims and NK types tragically suffer from would be wise to learn from the Jewish state.
Interestingly, leftists and Muslims have announced they that would use Coronavirus treatments developed in Israel but NK has yet to make such a statement.
“So excuse me if I don’t believe your current trolling is any more correct than anything else that spewed from the gifts Hashem gave you.”
Yserbius,
According to the troll’s logic, if we are all automatically bound by the opinion of a “gadol” on plumbing matters when he doesn’t know a faucet from a flapper, then we are also obligated by “Asei L’cha Rav” to seek out their opinion regarding our pipes. Which raises the question, is the bigger fool the person who issues such a ruling or the person who follows it?
“So why are people leaving NY in record numbers and going to Florida and Texas?”
BK,
Great question! The total tax burden (property, income and sales as a percentage of personal income) by state is 13% for New York, 8% for Texas and 6.5% for Florida. NYC needs lots of suckers in order to survive so let them enjoy forking over all their money in the wasted hope of keeping their lovely city safe and clean.
“Bichlal, with CTL, it’s hard to know where reality ends and fantasy begins.”
DY,
You are certainly entitled to disagree with CTLAWYER if you’d like but he’s the most honest poster to YWN. Your comment is out of line and you owe him an apology!
“I would just like to point out that I don’t necessarily think that the Agudah supporting a Palestinian State is inherently a negative position”
Joseph/5ish,
After calling other Jews liars, how about some honesty from you? The only peace plan that you and the rest of NK back is the PA’s one state solution, “from the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”.
On the other hand, the Agudah’s statement only explicitly supports “Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish State”, which you and your keffiyah scarf-wearing NK buddies will never support.
Joseph/5ish,,
The Moetzes don’t agree with your supposed “world view propagated by our holy forebears and rabbonim” so you twisted their statement and then accused them of lying.
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“If I spit on you, and clearly state I didn’t, would it make you a liar for saying I did?”
Joseph/5ish,
By accusing him of lying, you spit on R. Zwiebel and the Moetzes that he represents, just to validate your own twisted worldview.
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“But even that is a departure from their stated position less than 20 years ago when they were unequivocally opposed to a sovereign Palestinian State.”
Joseph,
So when R. Zwiebel clearly states:
“We have never taken a position on a two state solution”
he’s lying and you’re not, right?
One can quibble whether there should be a mid-winter break but our Gedolim are very much in favor of vacation for yeshivos during the summer, as demonstrated by:
At the time, Maran, zt”l said he could see that those who took vacation were recharged and ready for Elul, while those who didn’t were not.
Joseph,
You spun an entire twisted thread based upon your silly parsing of the Agudah’s statement and they explicitly denied your premise. Yet, you continue to insist that you’re right because you can’t deal with any facts that contradict your myopic worldview.
This instance, plus you recent posts on the Zionist elections and the JPost article regarding IDF exemptions show that sadly, you have a serious allergy to the truth.
In response to this silly thread by the YWN troll in residence, I emailed R. Chaim Dovid Zwiebel, Executive Vice President, Agudath Israel of America and received the following response:
“We have never taken a position on a two state solution. Nothing we said in our statement last week reacting to President Trump’s peace proposal was intended to convey such an endorsement.”
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Joseph,
This is the third time in a week that you have lied and misrepresented the words of others to satisfy your own twisted worldview.
The statement actually said that “Agudath Israel of America is deeply appreciative of the Trump Administration’s tireless efforts to bring peace and prosperity to both Israelis and Palestinians”, that “There can be no peace without the recognition of Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish State.” and that “For Palestinians who are prepared to take these steps to sincere peace, the framework offers hope for the fulfillment of their dreams of statehood, sovereignty and economic enrichment”.
Agudath Israel’s statement only said that the plan “offers hope” for Palestinians and only explicitly supports “Israel’s right to exist as a Jewish State”. That ought to drive the fakers who pretend to understand Vayoel Moshe, such as yourself, completely insane!
Joseph,
It’s really sweet of you to interpret it for everyone but as usual, you omit and distort whatever doesn’t agree with your twisted worldview. Starting at 2:30 in the video, Harav Brudny encourages individuals to participate in the elections.
You are seriously allergic to the truth.
“Rav Brudny has NOT encouraged people to vote. I doubt the others have either”
Really? So what are we to make of Harav Asher Weiss’ very encouraging remarks on the eretzhakodesh.org website, as well as Harav Elya Brudny’s (“What We Say”), regarding individuals voting?
Is it all a very elaborate hoax? Is Elvis also living in your mother’s basement with you?
yehudayona,
Agreed; I simply couldn’t let the troll get away with an outright lie that Charedim aren’t receiving mental health exemptions.
Josephine,
The truth really hurts, doesn’t it? You quoted an article from JPost, deliberately omitted the part that disagrees with your preconceived notions and got caught red-handed. Do you also behave so dishonestly in the public school where you supposedly work as an aid?
Joseph,
You need to stop your habitual lying and omission of facts that don’t agree with your twisted worldview. The JPost article on IDF mental health exemptions specifically states:
“For example, the data for two years show that while the number of mental illness-related exemptions among secular citizens rose 29% to 2,097 exemptions per year from 1,625, it rose 49% to 391 among religious men from 262.”
Charedim, who already receive exemptions to learn have also received 391 mental heath exemptions per year.
mentsch1,
I’m not advocating for or against IDF service. I take issue with our resident, nasty troll quoting the JPost article to claim the secular are getting mental health exemptions that the Charedim aren’t and deliberately omitting the paragraph that states they are actually getting those exemptions in higher rates than the secular are.
I’m simply calling out the troll for his dishonesty and lies.
“Chareidim and Israeli Arabs aren’t the ones getting mental health exemptions.”
MDG,
Don’t pay any attention to the nasty troll who quoted the JPost article and deliberately omitted:
“In November, a report by The Jerusalem Post’s sister publication Maariv found that, relative to the number of potential secular recruits being exempt from the military due to mental illness, the number of ultra-Orthodox (haredim) being exempted is higher.
For example, the data for two years show that while the number of mental illness-related exemptions among secular citizens rose 29% to 2,097 exemptions per year from 1,625, it rose 49% to 391 among religious men from 262.
According to the data, of the 4,500 who received exemptions, 44.7% were haredim, 46.6% secular and another 8.7% are religious Zionist.”
Despite his habitual lying, mental health exemptions for the Charedim have risen at a much higher rate than for the secular.
chash,
Joseph cherry-picked the article in a lame attempt to prove the secular are receiving deferments the Charedim aren’t. In reality, the Charedim, who already receive deferments to learn, are now using the mental health exemption at an even higher rate than the secular are.
Gross intellectual dishonesty on the part of our resident troll but we’ve come to expect that.
Joseph,
Your lame topic deliberately omitted the following from that JPost article:
“In November, a report by The Jerusalem Post’s sister publication Maariv found that, relative to the number of potential secular recruits being exempt from the military due to mental illness, the number of ultra-Orthodox (haredim) being exempted is higher.
For example, the data for two years show that while the number of mental illness-related exemptions among secular citizens rose 29% to 2,097 exemptions per year from 1,625, it rose 49% to 391 among religious men from 262.
According to the data, of the 4,500 who received exemptions, 44.7% were haredim, 46.6% secular and another 8.7% are religious Zionist.”
So aside from Haredim receiving automatic exemptions to learn, they have also claimed mental health exemptions for the past two years at even higher rates than the secular are. Yet, you still bash the Zionists; what a sick, nasty troll.
“Mr. Kahana definitely did not have the support of the gedolim”
Joseph,
Perhaps not but Rabbi Kahane did have semicha from Harav Avraham Kalmanowitz, zt”l, Rosh Hayeshiva of Mir in Brooklyn. On another thread you expressed your disdain for semicha nowadays, presumably to grant yourself the right to spew fake psak, despite not having the cred to do so.
Billywee,
Please ignore the nasty troll, who for the past six months has been screaming about how safe NYC, the Jew-hating cesspool is, with comments like:
“NYC is a much safer city both in general and in regards to antisemitism that involves violent assaults according to FBI statistics for each of the last 19 years”
A tireless tirade of lies, “statistics” and trashing other communities.
knaidlach,
You realized your mistake and corrected it, which is all that is wanted from us.
How sad that the nasty, resident troll, so concerned about “deformed malachim” doesn’t consider the myriads of heavenly accusers he creates every time he hurts another Jew. Before he knows it, he’ll have to face every one of them and it won’t be pretty.
GH,
Joseph’s three wives work hard to support him and their twenty-seven children so they deserve whatever creature comforts they can afford. I hope they enjoy their well-earned winter respite in South Florida while he’s on ice in Brooklyn.
“Hating NK is no different than hating, say, the Sefardim since they have different views than you.”
Joseph,
Only [you] would compare the monsters who support our bloodthirsty enemies in Gaza on Shabbos and in Tehran as part of a Holocaust Denial conference, to Sefardim.
#RealAvreich,
Please heed hashemisone1’s wise advice and discuss this vital matter only with people who know your family and your son very well. Don’t pay any attention to the trolls on this site who neither know nor care about you, especially since you probably know way more halacha than they do. Believe me, that wouldn’t be very hard.
May your son find his proper zivug when he’s truly ready and build a BN”B!
AJ,
NYC is really quite safe and friendly to Jews but only if you bury your head in the sand and ignore the numerous incidents which have occurred just since the end of the summer:
HATE CRIME INVESTIGATION: Jewish Man Brutally Assaulted In Crown Heights Park
MORE HATE: Another Hasidic Man Assaulted With A Rock In Crown Heights
HATE IN FLATBUSH: Jewish Man Attacked On Avenue J, Hit With Belt, Anti-Jewish Slurs Used
HATE IN BELLE HARBOR (QUEENS): Swastikas & White Supremacist Messages Found On Beach
HATE IN FLATBUSH: Jewish Man Assaulted While Walking To Shul
HATE IN BORO PARK: Swastikas Found By Holocaust Survivor Inside Residential Building On 44 Street
MORE HATE IN BORO PARK: Swastika Scrawled On Hatzolah Volunteer Vehicle
HATE IN BROOKLYN: Suspect Set Fire On Steps Outside Park Slope Jewish Center
HATE IN CROWN HEIGHTS: Jewish Man Slapped In The Face By Black Suspect, Called “Dirty Jew”
Brooklyn: Hasidic Jews In Vehicle Attacked For Filming Violent Man [SEE THE VIDEO]
Don’t worry though, the mayor is on top of things, tweeting and promising gifts to criminals.
Crime in filthy, dangerous Brooklyn has shot through the roof since the Eric Garner incident five years ago, with the police pulling back after having their hands tied behind their backs by the criminal-loving mayor.
It’s very telling to read Joseph’s fake news posts about communities that he’s thankfully never graced with his disagreeable presence. For example, Baltimore has dozens of shuls, nearly all of which have active batei medrash, as well as numerous options for Elementary, High School, Beis Medrash and Seminary education.
Sad Joseph, who pretends to care about other Jews being “better shomer torah u’mitzvos”, is just afraid that he’ll be the last Brooklyn basement-dweller if someone dares to write something positive about other communities.
“Joseph you seem to think that beautiful and tznius are a contradiction”
Gamanit,
You’re not going to get anywhere with our resident troll, who is rather disdainful of all females whether they’re dressed in gowns or burkas. This ad-hominem quoter of the Rambam frequently admonishes males not to allow their females out of the house too often and would be thrilled if all females were barred from weddings, even the kallah.
“2. It is assur to sue in arkois”
Unless you’re a Rebbe and your last name is Teitelbaum, right?
Anon,
You may want to try Chaim V’Chessed, an organization in Israel that assists Anglo’s with a variety of issues. They can be reached from the U.S. at 718-407-2448 or from Israel at 072-CHESSED.
Hatzlacha!
“The most tzniusdik and yiddishe and traditional and holiest job is that of wife, mother and housewife.”
Oh, that’s so sweet and helpful! Are you going to support them financially or just spew useless bromides?
TLIK,
Of course it would be ideal if victims could bring criminal charges against their abusers even years later. In reality, there’s often no legal recourse to do so, such as when the statue of limitations has passed or if the abuser has died. In such cases, the only justice available to the victims is for the institutions that shielded their abusers to be financially penalized. It’s extremely condescending and uniformed for you to compare this to ice cream and steak.
Syag,
Please don’t misunderstand me; I know several victims of abuse and realize that they go to secular court for justice and not merely for money.
As I posted above:
“I would imagine that many of them feel some measure of vindication and validation from seeing their abusers sentenced and the institutions that protected these monsters forced to do what they hate most, part with their almighty dollars. Many victims have huge financial burdens due to chronic health and employment issues resulting from their trauma. When they finally see justice after years of being ignored or worse by ‘the powers that be’, their healing can begin.”
DY,
I’m not defending going to secular court but I understand that abuse victims do so since no Beis Din has ever delivered justice to them. Those who criticize this act as being “all about the money” need to explain how the holy Teitelbaum brothers were allowed to take their money fight into secular court.
“the reason why they are suing in a secular court is that neither holds by any bet din other than his own”
Avi K,
Can you name a Beis Din that has ever succeeded or even attempted to gain justice on behalf of an abuse victim?
“But there has not been a single instance of symptom relief to the victims, not from putting them in jail, not rendering them jobless and unemployable, not from money payouts”
TLIK,
Are you a victim of abuse? If not, don’t speak for them and don’t you dare call them bloodthirsty and greedy. I would imagine that many of them feel some measure of vindication and validation from seeing their abusers sentenced and the institutions that protected these monsters forced to do what they hate most, part with their almighty dollars. Many victims have huge financial burdens due to chronic health and employment issues resulting from their trauma. When they finally see justice after years of being ignored or worse by “the powers that be”, their healing can begin.
Perhaps you should express your righteous indignation against abusers and their enablers instead.
Yusuf,
So first you decide that gowns violate tznius and then you equate them to miniskirts. The religious dogma you’spew reads more like Sharia than Torah so you’re actually an Islamic extremist. That would explain your visceral hatred of females and why you get so excited at the thought of beating them up.
Mammele,
I’ve attending plenty of weddings made by Roshei Yeshivos and Rabbonim where close family members wore gowns. Every woman should be free to choose whether to wear a gown to a family wedding without being judged, not by a woman and certainly not by a woman hater.
“Joseph I do not understand what tznius has to do with a gown”?
Laughing,
Your “handle” is so appropriate for asking this question. The resident YWN nasty troll just felt like spewing more fake halacha.
“Why are some folks uncomfortable acknowledging this Chazal or its truthfulness?”
Simple; most people mistakenly associate da’as with intelligence and they know of many intelligent females. They also know of many males who seem so unintelligent as they spew their nasty opinions all over the web.
You have nothing better to do during the Nine Days than troll an old thread last updated six years ago, in the hope of getting people upset? What a shame since you seem to have been behaving yourself for the past few weeks.