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Patur Aval AssurParticipant
“What if ????? ????? told you to wear it. Would that make a difference?”
what if ????? ????? told you to desecrate shabbos? Would that make a difference?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“In Medrash Tanchuma on Shlach, the techles is called ganuz. Not lost, but hidden, taken away for time unspecified. As we will not find the aron, the ketores, the other kelim, we will not find the blue juiced blue fish untill it is revealed in its right time, and we are restored to our destiny.”
look in the sefer Sefunei Temunei Chol (written by the Radzyner Rebbe) where he refutes that claim.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“We need to work and support our families; we need to learn; we need to help our spouses; we need to care for our children; we need to do chessed in our communities; we need to look after our immediate families; we need to daven with kavana. The list is endless, and each obligation pulls us in different directions. We can’t to all of them all the time, and we can’t focus too strongly on any one of them to the detriment of others. A one hour shemona esrei is praiseworthy, if that sort of teffilah is your niche, but you can’t use it as an excuse to not do other things required of you – whether at home, work, or school.”
RSRH, you seem to be forgetting the Gemara in brachos which states that the chassidim harishonim would spend an hour davening as well as an hour before and after preparing to talk to G-d. The gemara asks that if they spent nine hours a day on davening, how did they have time to learn and work? The Gemara answers that since they devoted nine fours to davening, they had special siyata dishmaya that in the few hours remaining they were able to accomplish everything.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIt wouldn’t make sense to wear many pairs of tzitzis to be yotzei according to all shitos because if you wear 80 pairs that are each according to a different shita then you are wearing 79 4 cornered garments without the proper tzitzis which entails a violation of a mitzvas aseh for each one.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIf Rav Belsky only wears techeiles on shabbos when no one can see it because he doesn’t want people to know that he wears it, it kind of defeats the purpose because now everyone knows anyway
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“who do kids think they are to ask this,no, EXPECT THIS, from her parents?”
You make it sound like these boys are making unreasonable demands. What is unreasonable about a boy saying “if you want me to learn (so that you can get schar), and therefore I can’t support my family because I’m busy learning; someone else will have to support the family.” It might be the wife or the parents or the in laws. But you can’t play both sides of the fence. If you want a learning boy then you’ll have to pay for it. And if you don’t want a learning boy then why are you reading this thread?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Rav Scheinberg k`yeduah wears around 80 pears of tzitzis. Some of the 80 are techeiles”
How does that make sense? It’s tarti disasri. Mima nifshach it’s a problem. If the techeiles is real than on all the pairs which do not have techeiles, he would be subtracting a mitzva (i.e. ba’al tigra). And if it’s not real then all the pairs that have a blue string would be in violation of the Rema which I quoted earlier in this thread.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI agree. Isn’t one of the rules of the coffee room that you are supposed to “write in a language somewhat resembling English”?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Do you really think parents are supporting because of the schar or because if they dont support their precious child may not find the perfect shiduch”
That is a fabulous catch 22 – the parents have to support the boy learning because otherwise their daughter won’t get a good shidduch (the boy that’s learning). So if they really aren’t doing it for the schar then let them just not support the learning boy and then their daughter won’t get the wonderful shidduch with the learning boy that they don’t want anyway. So according to your wonderfully circular logic, how does the problem ever start?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Rav Chaim Pinchas Scheinberg- ( he called his son to find out and was told that some of his tzitzis are tcheiles)”
What in the world does that mean? He didn’t know that his tzitzis were techeiles? Why couldn’t he just look to see if there were blue strings?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Therefore any reason that they have should be the topic of a teshuva written by one of them”
There are a number of teshuvos out there. Rav Elyashiv Shlita, Rav Shternbuch Shlita and Rav Shlomo Miller Shlita (and probably others as well, but I don’t know offhand) all have teshuvos in which they enumerate some of the reasons to not where techeiles. The Bais Halevi also wrote a teshuva about not wearing techeiles but there are two different versions.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“I do not give my other siblings because I dont think that they are real learners”
And how exactly do you judge who is a real learner and who isn’t?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantRav Hershel Shachter Shlita wears techeiles
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“There is nothign wrong with the daf or getting a chavrusah at morning or at night.”
Learning an hour a day is great but it’s definitely not the ideal. The gemara in Brachos says that the people who made their work keva and their learning arai, neither was fulfilled.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“…. and those that cannot afford to do so should not do so.”
Then they have to find a different way of getting their schar. Perhaps learning themselves.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantboredinoffice
Are you upset at people who value learning?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“The chiyuv is still there but at whos expense?”
No one is forcing any girl or her parents to support anyone. They take it upon themselves because they realize that that is how they get schar for limud torah.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“all the other person has to do is say 2 words back”
Two words is two words too many. Don’t you know that Bruria rebuked R’ Yosi Haglili for saying two extra words when asking for directions to Lod?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantoptimusprime
that’s not a grammatical error, it’s a factual error.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Whenever I’m faced with a choice between two evils, I take the one I’ve never tried before.”
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Suppose you dye the whole beged with the techeiles. Do you still need to dye the string?”
Impressive. You were mechaven to Korach’s question.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI have it hanging on my fridge.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantklach
in the story you quoted they actually proved that the offending rabbi didn’t know basic things about the topic. You however did not prove that ItcheSrulik doesn’t know what he’s talking about. (I’m not disagreeing with you, I am merely calling into question the validity of your proof. I don’t think you needed a proof though.)
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Is an alte bochor the equivalent of an old maid or spinster?”
Your question is unclear. Do you mean: Is an alte bochor the equivalent of an old maid or is it the equivalent to a spinster? (i.e. one as opposed to the other)
or
did you mean: Is an alte bochor the equivalent of an |old maid or spinster| thus lumping them together.
the nafka mina would be whether or not you consider an old maid equivalent to a spinster.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Full disclosure: I wear Murex Trunculus techelet”
Why? Are you a religious zionist?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“A very good overview of the techelet written by the organization that makes the murex trunculus techelet can be found here: http://tinyurl.com/techelet”
That overview is very one sided (understandable since it was put out by a techeiles organization) and does not discuss most of the proofs back and forth. They take for granted that the murex trunculus is the chilazon.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“But you have a big responsibility to respect the Minhagim of other, and not ridicule and knock them, like some posters here tend to do.”
Even if previous gedolim called it a minhag shtus?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantWho came up with the name Seasons for a supermarket?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Even if you’re on the right track you’ll get run over if you just sit there.”
– Arthur Godfried
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“In the recent dafei yomi Gemara, we learned that the “strings” can be almost any color”
That’s why we don’t pasken from the gemara.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“The color of the beged (that the tzitzis is attached to) is usually white”
Which is exactly why having blue strings (which are not techeiles) would be problematic according to both the Mechaber and the Rema.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Should those that use supposed “techeiles” be attacked if they chose to wear blue-dyed strings?”
Yes. The Rema states O.H. 9:5 that Ashkenazim should always wear white strings. Now if what these people are wearing is not techeiles than they are in violation of the Rema.
Interestingly enough they would be in violation of the Mechaber also because the mechaber in that same siman says that ideally the strings should be the same color as the beged.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe cuttlefish which the Radzyners use only turns blue with the aid of chemicals (pottassium and iron) which Rav Herzog found would turn any organic compound that color. So the cuttlefish dye had nothing to do with the turning blue which is a problem.
One problem with the murex trunculus is that it is chemically identical to kala ilan. The gemara gives chemical tests that can distinguish between real techeiles and kala ilan. Now if they were chemically identical then no test would be able to distinguish between them. Another problem is that it doesn’t really fit into most of the Gemara’s descriptions of the chilazon (comes up once in 70 years, domeh layam, the dye is better while it’s alive, etc.) unless you deviate from the standard pshat.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Second, the fact that gedolim don’t do it is a kasha on them, not on the techeiles.”
Actually it IS a kasha on the techeiles because the gedolim have reasons for not wearing it. Maybe you should learn through the sugya and see why the gedolim don’t wear it before you start claiming that the gedolim are wrong.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Also, your story about Gedolim and Matzah ball in their window….
Our Gedolim know to respect Minhagim that OTHER GEDOLIM set, even though they don’t follow that specific minhag.”
That was their way of showing that they strongly disagree with the minhag.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThere are numerous kashas on both Murex Trunculus and Cuttlefish techeiles.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“You cant all be the next roshei yeshivos of the generation”
And therefore the chiyuv of Talmud Torah dissipates? I don’t think it works like that.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Secondly,not one of the Gedolim wear techeiles”
That is a false statement.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIf it’s not a zionist thing then why are they generaly the ones to wear it?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe reason why Rav Sheinberg wears many pairs is not to be yotzei according to everyone. The reason is that each additional pair is an additional mitzva. And why is techeiles a zionist thing?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo what is the correlation?
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“In any event, in my circles, it is 0%”
Does that mean that there is a correlation between certain circles and techeiles?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantWhat I meant was is it just a negligible minority or is it a full blown revolution?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantLarger than a negligible amount
Patur Aval AssurParticipantSmartcookie
What have I said that demonstrates a lack of respect for our gedolim?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantwhat kind of name is seasons anyway?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantMy goal is to conquer the world and be a tyrannical leader. Eventually I would hope to colonize other planets and galaxies, culminating with me becoming Supreme Dictator of the universe.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantWhy does there have to be a source to eat something you enjoy? Is there a source in the gemara to eat chocolate cake? No. Yet we all do.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantAlas how we yearn for the good old days when schools were in session on chol hamoed.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIsn’t that dishonest? Is dishonesty something that you want to teach to all the innocent children reading this?
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