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March 27, 2015 4:07 pm at 4:07 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090265Patur Aval AssurParticipant
yekke2:
Despite not being sure about my position, you were still able to predict my response to Avram. Pretty good.
As for my actual position, as I said earlier the question of why follow the inherent rightness is entirely independent of the question of whether there is an inherent rightness. If for the sake of argument I would grant that there is an inherent rightness, it wouldn’t help the issue of why you should accord with it.
March 27, 2015 4:04 pm at 4:04 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090264Patur Aval AssurParticipantAvram:
What is the value of aligning motivation with ??? if not the good feeling?
By the way, your example of the terrorist brings out a good point. You say that the terrorist feels good about killing people. Now I assume you would say that what he is doing is inherently bad, yet you still assume that he feels good.
So it seems that the good feeling is based on the person’s own understanding of his purpose. The terrorist thinks his purpose is to kill people and he feels good; the good samaritan thinks his purpose is to help people and he feels good. At the end of the day what is the difference between them?
March 27, 2015 3:41 pm at 3:41 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090257Patur Aval AssurParticipantyekke2:
You are suggesting that I don’t see a purpose in doing right, because I deny the existence of “right”. I don’t think that’a what I’m doing. I am saying that even if you accept that there is “right”, what is the value of doing it? In fact I would sooner* say that the lack of reason proves the lack of existence than say that the lack of existence proves the lack of reason.
*I’m not actually saying that.
March 27, 2015 3:35 pm at 3:35 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090256Patur Aval AssurParticipantAvram:
I think we are getting closer to understanding each other. But let me ask you – if there was no good feeling in fulfilling your purpose, why would you want to fulfill your purpose?
March 27, 2015 3:30 pm at 3:30 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090255Patur Aval AssurParticipantDaasYochid:
Are you saying that morality is included in the bolded words?
Shu”t Harashba 4:234:
????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ???
????? ????? ???
??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???
March 27, 2015 3:10 pm at 3:10 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090251Patur Aval AssurParticipantAvram:
Your last paragraph is essentially saying that the value of ??? is that by the very nature of our hardwiring we feel good when doing ???. Which means that it comes down to doing something because it is good for you. Which I would say is different from ???? ???? ???? ???? ???.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIt’s a siman to existence in whatever manner you define existence. All Descartes is really saying is that while a a chair might not really exist – you are imagining/hallucinating/some other form of cognitive distortion – the same cannot be said of your own existence, because if you didn’t exist then there wouldn’t be anyone to do the imagining/hallucinating/distorting. If you want to say that we only exist as part of ???”? then it is a proof that that part of ???”? exists. I’m not sure how you are using this to answer the bechira vs. yedia stirah, and in the (at least) five-way machlokes rishonim on the matter, I don’t think any of them used Descartes as the answer.
March 27, 2015 2:52 pm at 2:52 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090246Patur Aval AssurParticipantOkay. There are really two separate issues:
1) Whether or not there is such a thing as inherent moral correctness.
2) Even if there is an inherent moral correctness, why adhere to it.
I am willing to argue that there is no inherent moral correctness; however, my main focus here is #2. It seems to me that you are saying that the existence of guilt is a proof that there is a moral correctness. (Would you say that the natural human feeling about certain aveiros makes them correct?) But it seems that you are also using guilt as the answer to #2. In which case you are essentially agreeing with me that there is no reason to do right simply because it is right. If you are not using guilt to answer #2 then you need a different explanation for why you should do the right thing.
March 27, 2015 2:19 pm at 2:19 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090244Patur Aval AssurParticipantLet’s put it this way:
Hypothetically, if the concept of guilt did not exist, would you still say that it is universally wrong to kill? If yes, why? If no, you are indeed saying that it all comes down to the feeling you get when you kill.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIt is a ????? to ???”?s ???? if we were our own entities not as a part of Him; we must be parts of ???”? rather than our own actuality.
I don’t think that Descartes would have to disagree with this.
March 27, 2015 1:20 pm at 1:20 pm in reply to: I can't find my old post, so I'm following it up here #1067235Patur Aval AssurParticipantSince apparently no one is following the links above, here is the original text:
Randomex:
This seems like the right place for this: Has anyone in this discussion heard of the idea (Jewish) that the entire universe is moving towards a time when the genders will be equal as they originally were, symbolized mystically by the restoration of the moon to its original luminosity, and that the energy of this movement of the universe is the reason for the
emergence of the feminist movement? (Or something like that. I don’t remember any more details or where I came across this.)
yekke2:
Man and Woman will never be the same; just like the Sun and the Moon were never the same. Even when the Moon was at its full strength, it wasn’t the sun. And therefore there were not ??? ????, there was a ??? and a ????. Nishba and a Mashpia. Etc.
Patur Aval Assur:
Randomex:
It’s a Rashi in Megilla 22b based on a Pirkei d’Rabbi Eliezer:
???? ???”? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ?????”? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ????????
Women of the Wall applied this to Feminism.
March 27, 2015 1:16 pm at 1:16 pm in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147641Patur Aval AssurParticipantAlso, what I think is the most devastating question in this thread has not been satisfactorily answered yet:
http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/wizards-and-witches-jews/page/7#post-551274
It undermines the entire plan for defeating Old Man Voldy.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant???? ???? – http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/machshava#post-533010
But he didn’t explain what the mistake was. And yes, it is pashut pshat; however, the translation “I think, therefore I am” does not accurately portray the pashut pshat. I assume that’s why writersoul and squeak (or whoever actually made up the joke) said the joke and Sam2 said Descartes is assur.
March 27, 2015 12:56 pm at 12:56 pm in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090242Patur Aval AssurParticipantThank you for the response. Though I disagree with what you are saying. I think you are conflating right/wrong with guilt/feeling good. If I understood your response correctly, you are essentially saying that one has to do the right thing (not murder someone) because he will feel terrible otherwise. Now I don’t think that necessarily makes it “right” to not murder, and more importantly, the person is not murdering because of the benefit he receives – not feeling bad/feeling good – not because it is inherently right. To emphasize my point:
If the “inherent rightness” has no value other than being inherently right, why do it? If it has other value then you are not doing it beacause it is right; you are doing it because of the value.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantHe also paskened shailos, yet see what I quoted from him at the top of this page.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantRegarding the quote from the biography, see the introduction to chelek 8 which says:
??????? ????? ?? ????? ???? ????????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????????
March 27, 2015 4:03 am at 4:03 am in reply to: The correct pronunciation of "Expecto Patronum" #1066785Patur Aval AssurParticipantI have to say that I think http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/the-correct-pronunciation-of-expecto-patronum#post-529739
was the best use of a ???? ???? in Coffee Room history. It fits so perfectly.
March 27, 2015 3:56 am at 3:56 am in reply to: Theological Conundrum (read at your own risk) #1090240Patur Aval AssurParticipantNow that Yekke2 is around, this is an opportune time to continue this discussion, as he was the only one who came even remotely close to agreeing with me. However, I think that some of us might not have been talking directly to each other and some side points may have confused the actual issue. So now I would simplify everything and ask very simply:
Would you do something if you received no benefit whatsoever? Benefit includes physical reward, getting a good feeling, earning schar, etc. If you would then why? If your answer will be that you do something because it is inherently right, I will ask what the value of doing something right is. To put it even more simply: The Rambam in Perek Cheilek (which I quoted earlier in this thread) as well as in Hilchos Teshuva 10:2 says ???? ???? ???? ???? ???. That is the ultimate reason. To which I ask what value there is in doing the ??? just because it is the ???. In order to adequately answer the question, you will be forced to assign some (other) value to ???, which by definition means that you are not doing it ???? ???? ???. In other words, I am alleging that ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? is an impossibility. Now the Rambam himself grants ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?’ ??? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? and ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??. But he clearly feels that by having a true ???? of the ??? it is in fact possible.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantNodah B’yehuda (Mahdura Kamma Yoreh Deiah siman 55):
???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ???????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?’ ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????????? ??”? ??? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ??????
March 27, 2015 3:52 am at 3:52 am in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147640Patur Aval AssurParticipantBack on page four iBump 2.0 asked:
at the end of book 1, Dumbledore said that his and Hermione’s owl crossed in mid-air, however a few pages later Hermione says to Harry that that she ran into Dumbledore on the way to the Owlery to send him the owl
The answer is that Dumbledore had indeed returned before Hermione could send an owl. Harry, when questioning Dumbledore, did not know this and assumed that Hermione had actually sent an owl. Dumbledore, therefore, thought that Hermione had sent an owl, and thus assumed that he must have crossed it in midair.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe most recent issue quoted http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/3-most-important-qualities-to-look-for-in-a-shidduch
Should I be insulted that they skipped over my post?
March 27, 2015 3:51 am at 3:51 am in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147639Patur Aval AssurParticipantIn the first Quidditch match in the first book, Quirrel was jinxing Harry’s broom and Snape was protecting Harry. What in the world was everyone else doing? Surely many people noticed Harry’s broom acting strangely. Even Hagrid with barely any wizarding training realized that it had to be a powerful curse. Now it is implicit from the second Quidditch match that Dumbledore was not at the first match, and we don’t necessarily know about the rest of the faculty, but Mcgonagall and Madame Hooch were certainly there. So why didn’t they do anything? And why was there not a major investigation conducted to discover who was trying to kill Harry? And if Quirrel wanted to kill Harry, he could have easily done it anytime, without resorting to cursing Harry’s broom in front of the entire school.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantHe thinks it’s Kfirah to argue with Rishonim on sciene-i.e. it’s Kfirah to say that the earth revolves around the sun.
Melamed L’ho-il 1:30:
??????? ?????? ????’ ??? ?”? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ??????
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI forget where it is, it’s towards the end of either O.C 2, 3, or 4
It’s in Yoreh Deiah 2:109:
??? ???? ????????? ?? ???????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ?????????? ??? ?? ????????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??”? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???????? ?? ??????
?????
??? ?????????
See also Orach Chaim 5:12:3 where he writes:
???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??????
????? ???? ?? ??????? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThat is not true. There is no halacha saying you have to do a background check when some ani asks you for a couple bucks on the street.
Bava Basra 9a:
??? ?? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??”? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ??? ??????
Shulchan Aruch Yoreh Deiah 251:10:
?? ??? ???? ???????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe Seridei Eish (3:21 in the Mosad Harav Kook edition), after discussing a big machlokes between two acharonim, writes:
??? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ???????
March 27, 2015 3:48 am at 3:48 am in reply to: PAA's not-always-in-context Coffee Room Report Card Comments #1156726Patur Aval AssurParticipantThere was a quote from DaasYochid about which I had said that the original place he posted it does not seem to exist anymore, but I have found it. Come to think of it, his entire post really qualifies, so here it is:
“That’s it! You’ve done it! You’ve solved the shidduch crisis!
We should encourage 10% of BY girls to dedicate their lives to mastering the ever growing corpus of shas and poskim. No yeshiva guys will want to marry them, and they won’t need to get married anyhow, because they will be entirely fulfilled anyhow. The numbers of eligible boys and girls will be the same, and voila! No more shidduch crisis, and you can go back to discussing techeiles, and you can continue to spend lots of time delving deeply into the sugya of why we shouldn’t spend a lot of time delving deeply into sugyas.
Now can you please solve the tuition crises?
:)”
(DaasYochid)
March 27, 2015 3:47 am at 3:47 am in reply to: I can't find my old post, so I'm following it up here #1067228Patur Aval AssurParticipantPatur Aval AssurParticipantIf you want to bring ??? ????? into this, I might sooner say that appropriate books are assur. The Sefer Hachinuch (387) writes:
??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????, ????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ???????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??????
In other words (the derasha of ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ???? notwithstanding), ??? ????? is not specifically referring to “inappropriate” things; it is referring to any (excessive) pursuit of physical pleasures. The Rambam in Sefer Hamitzvos (47) similarly writes:
????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???’ ????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???
Also, according to R’ Moshe the issur is specifically ??? ????? ????? ???? ????.
It is perhaps notable that the Pele Yoetz, in the section on nivul peh, speaks severely about speaking and listening to nivul peh but makes no mention of reading it.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIs there a court of appeals?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI see we have reached the point where I find out that my comments have been deleted via reading about it on this thread.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantOnly a lioness can give birth to a tigon yet a lioness is not a tigon.
March 16, 2015 12:47 pm at 12:47 pm in reply to: Why are women exempt from positive time bound commandments #1065181Patur Aval AssurParticipantAbudraham, Birchas Hamitzvos Umishpateihem:
?????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????
Patur Aval AssurParticipantPAA, he said it’s “a pair of kosher tzitzis”. I wouldn’t consider a ???? ???? according to the ??”? to be that.
I assume he meant that mitzad the strings it was kosher, but that the answer would be a situation in which the begged didn’t require tzitzis. Actually, on Friday I typed up a post to clarify if that is what he meant, and I also made the eved suggestion, but for some reason I didn’t post it.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo I finished the third book. It was so much better than the first two (not that the first two were bad). Though I still have a kashya on it:
In the beginning of the book, Drum Billet is walking in the rain. We are told:
[Y]ou could tell he was a wizard, partly because of the long cloak and carven staff but mainly because the raindrops were stopping several feet from his head and steaming.
Yet towards the end of the book, Cutangle is walking in the rain and he gets soaked until Granny Weatherwax tells him to move between the drops. Now why couldn’t Cutangle do whatever magic it was that Drum Billet did to stay dry?
Patur Aval AssurParticipantIt’s a ???? ?????? ????? and according to the ??”?.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantComlink-X:
Actually, the original title was ???
I know because I started the thread. As part of their joke, the moderators changed it to !!!
March 15, 2015 5:10 pm at 5:10 pm in reply to: do i get an aveirah if i don't do shnayim mikra? #1064239Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe Gemara also says:
???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ???
Does that mean that anyone who doesn’t have his cash in hand or trivide his wealth is violating a chiyuv d’rabanan? The Gemara in Berachos knew of the word “????” and chose not to use it. There are differences between the Gemara’s different expressions – see for instance the Teshuvos Maharil siman 57:
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1145&st=&pgnum=40
So I don’t think one can definitively prove from the Gemara that shnayim mikra is a bona-fide chiyuv (especially in light of the other sources mentioned above). However if you want to argue based on the lashon of the Shulchan Aruch, that’s a horse of a different color, and I would find it a lot harder to argue that “???? ????? ?????” is not an obligation.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantPatur Aval AssurParticipanthttp://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=1525&st=&pgnum=386
And particularly this excerpt:
??? ??????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ????
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe three tweets:
[In case you don’t know, Death in Discworld is anthropomorphic and speaks in capitals.]
“AT LAST, SIR TERRY, WE MUST WALK TOGETHER.”
“Terry took Death’s arm and followed him through the doors and on to the black desert under the endless night.”
“The End.”
This is how his daughter announced his death.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantHow did DEATH, within minutes of creating the username, get a subtitle which was the first of three tweets announcing the death, and then lose it shortly thereafter? My earlier post was the second of the three tweets; I had skipped the first one because it was already in DEATH’s subtitle.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Terry took Death’s arm and followed him through the doors and on to the black desert under the endless night.”
March 12, 2015 7:02 pm at 7:02 pm in reply to: Why are there approximately as many boys as girls? #1063829Patur Aval AssurParticipantWas it worth blowing two computers on that?
DY: He only blew one. It’s the same math.
Oh, then I guess it’s no big deal.
The computer was back to normal after about 20 minutes. Although, Sam’s point notwithstanding, I did actually crash it twice – after it crashed from the 10000000, I tried doing 10 separate 1000000 (concurrently) and that also crashed the computer.
March 12, 2015 7:00 pm at 7:00 pm in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063890Patur Aval AssurParticipantPAA, you lost me there somewhere.
I lost myself too. For some reason I thought that the last quote said that Sumchus would give 48 reasons to be metamei something tahor and to be metaher something tamei and I therefore compared him to R’ Meir. In reality, though, the quote was saying that he would give 48 reasons to be metamei something tamei and be metaher something tahor. I apologize for the confusion.
March 12, 2015 3:46 am at 3:46 am in reply to: Why are there approximately as many boys as girls? #1063822Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo I did some experimentation to demonstrate that as the sample size increases the percentage moves closer to 50%.
I used a computer to randomly generate a number, either 1 or 2 (representing male or female).
Results by sample size (ss):
ss 10 = 70%
ss 100 = 55%
ss 1000 = 48%
ss 10000 = 50.22%
ss 100000 = 49.808%
ss 1000000 = 49.9077%
ss 10000000 = crashed the computer
In terms of distance from 50%:
ss 10 = 20
ss 100 = 5
ss 1000 = 2
ss 10000 = .22
ss 100000 = .192
ss 1000000 = .0923
ss 10000000 = crashed the computer
It is clearly getting significantly closer to 50% as the sample size gets larger. In fact even a sample size as small as 100 was pretty close to 50%.
March 12, 2015 3:27 am at 3:27 am in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063877Patur Aval AssurParticipantBut of course who are we to deny them entry…
Well once you bring this up I may as well quote the continuation of the Gemara:
??? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ?’ ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?’ ????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ?”? ???? ???? ???????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?’ ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???
?”? ???? ?”? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??”? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????
Patur Aval AssurParticipantWhat was your third (fourth!) subtitle, Patur?
My subtitles were:
Member
Bar Meihanei T’las
Baki in all things genai
Seems to enjoy interminable debate with DaasYochid
Bar Meihanei T’las
March 11, 2015 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063872Patur Aval AssurParticipantDaMoshe:
I think R’ Chaim Berlin would agree that b’etzem nusach sefard is not the proper nusach. His point was that once the shul is davening a certain nusach, you can’t publicly deviate. R’ Aharon managed to change the tzibur’s nusach, but if he hadn’t been able to secure the amud, he might have davened nusach sefard (for the public parts).
March 11, 2015 4:51 pm at 4:51 pm in reply to: Rav Moshe Feinstein – a scion of Chasidishe stock #1063869Patur Aval AssurParticipantTypo:
My citation of the ???? ???? should be ???:?
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