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  • in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056697
    Patur Aval Assur
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    I never bump threads. If I happen upon an old thread and I see that I have something to add then I post it. In this case Sam2 had left off with a pshat that he was afraid to say because it might be kefira so I pointed out that the Rema says a pshat which might be similar.

    in reply to: Walking around with hat and/or jacket #1026467
    Patur Aval Assur
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    So a non-Yeshiva guy wearing a hat would be the equivalent of impersonating a police officer. And I’m an undercover cop.

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056695
    Patur Aval Assur
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    A comparative study of Popa and DaasYochid:

    They both get equally wasted on Purim but Popa is choshesh that even that amount of wastedness is not enough, so he abstains from learning from Purim until Shavuos, whereas DaasYochid is choshesh that that amount of wastedness is too much so he stays up all night learning from Purim until Shavuos in order to justify it. And they both fall asleep during the early Shacharis on Shavuos morning.

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056694
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “Is there any chance this is “Purim Torah”?”

    Read the hakdama

    http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=39929&st=&pgnum=4

    in reply to: ?????? ????? #1024322
    Patur Aval Assur
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    The point is that the Gra would have a legitimate kashya on Eliyahu from the Gemara in Taanis which there could be any number of answers to. But I’m claiming that the Gemara in Taanis is only referring to a certain type of Tefilla in which regular davening is not included.

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056690
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “edited”

    I don’t think Sam would have minded my joke.

    in reply to: Black hats�nafka minahs? #1024316
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Did he say that you have to say shecheyanu for doing a mitzvah for the first time?

    (Agav, is there any particular reason why people don’t wear hats before their Bar Mitzvah?)

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056689
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “We drink a lot the whole year so that we can be mekayeim yoseir m’hergeilo in the best manner!”

    the lashon of the Rema (quoting the Kol Bo) is ????? ???? ???????. I once heard someone (I think it was a Rebbe but I could be misremembering and it was actually me) say that it means that the amount you drink is dependent on the amount that you learn. In fact it would be interesting if in every yeshiva the mashgiach would go around on Purim telling people that they don’t learn enough to be drinking this much (or vice versa) unless the mashgiach himself is too drunk to do so.

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056688
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Well I don’t have such bekius in the Catholic Church and the 30 seconds of research I did didn’t really turn up anything, so I wasn’t quite sure what the “Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival” so I assumed that it was something similar to this pshat of the Rema. I think what the Rema is saying is that there was a legitimate mitzvah to drink a little bit which might lead to aveiros that you are responsible for so Chazal decided that it would be better for people to be in such a drunken stupor that they would be completely unresponsible for their actions (though I don’t quite understand why deliberately getting drunk would be a ptur for your subsequent actions). Bear in mind that this is the third of three pshatim that he gives in explaining the ma’amar of “Chayev inish…” (although it is the only one about which he says ???? ?? ???? ????). So in summation, since I’m still not quite sure what you were suggesting, the best I can say at this point is ?? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????.

    edited

    in reply to: Friendless #1057163
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Peirush Hameyuchas L’Rashi on Pirkei Avos:

    ???? ?? ???: ???? ?? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???

    in reply to: ?????? ????? #1024319
    Patur Aval Assur
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    I’ve never seen this Gra, but I assume you are referring to the Gemara (6b) which says that Eliyahu said ???? ?’ ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? which again was not regular Tefilla, but a response to specific problems that came up for Klal Yisrael at that particular time.

    in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056685
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “Lula D’mistifina that it was Apikorsus, I would say a Davar Pashut that the reason the Chachamim over the centuries have not been Moche on drinking on Purim is a similar Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival. I can’t say it, because I think that is K’firah, but when that’s what Purim becomes you’ve lost a Yom Tov and created a neo-Pagan holiday.”

    ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????

    ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??”? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???

    (Rema in Machir Yayin)

    in reply to: The correct pronunciation of "Expecto Patronum" #1066768
    Patur Aval Assur
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    To quote the Nodah B’Yehuda:

    ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????… ??? ???”? ????? ??”? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Binyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu:

    ??? ???? ?????: ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???

    ???? ????? ???????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??????? ???

    ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ????? ????”? ????? ??’ ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??”? ????’ ???’ ???? ?? ??’ ?”? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???”? ???? ?????? ?”? ????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?”? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???’ ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ?”? ?”? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??’ ??? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??

    in reply to: ?????? ????? #1024317
    Patur Aval Assur
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    The Gemara (8b) is discussing when two tzaros come at the same time. It is not talking about regular Tefilla. Read carefully the words of the Shulchan Aruch, Levush, Magen Avraham, Aruch Hashulchan and Mishna Berurah.

    in reply to: vegetarian? halacha issue? #1024139
    Patur Aval Assur
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    The point is that Man does not have the right to use his reasoning against an explicit command of H’.

    in reply to: How Did the Coffee Room Get Its Name? #1024144
    Patur Aval Assur
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    ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?’ ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????

    (Berachos 7b)

    in reply to: vegetarian? halacha issue? #1024137
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “Presumably he thought he was following the tzivui, after filtering it through what he thought Hashem wanted”

    When Chizkiyahu didn’t do peru urevu I would presume that he didn’t think that H’ wanted him to do peru urevu but he didn’t do it anyway beacause he didn’t want to have bad kids. Presumably he thought that since he would have bad kids, H’ would want him to not have kids. Yet Yeshayahu told him ???? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Continued:

    ??? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ???????? ???? ?? ?????? ??”? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?”? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ?”? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ?? ?”? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??”? ???? ???? ???? ??”? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???”? ?”? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????????? ????? ????? ??????? ???

    ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ???”? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ????”? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Continued:

    ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?’ ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? (??? ????? ????? ??”?) ?????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ??”? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? [???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??] ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??”? ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?”?

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Continued:

    ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ???

    ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ??????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    The last quote and this one are further along in Toldos Adam Perek 3:

    ?”? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??”? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???”? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???’ ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????

    ??????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? [??? ?? ?????? ??”? ?? ???? ???? ?????] ?? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???’ ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ???’ ??? ?’ ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? [??? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ????] (?? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???????) ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???’ ??? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ????? ???????? ??????? ??”? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ??

    ????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??”? ????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?’ ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??”? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ???

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Toldos Adam Perek 3 continued:

    ?????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???’ ??? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    The last two posts are also continued from Toldos Adam Perek 3

    Patur Aval Assur
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    ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? (?????? ????”? ??’ ??”?) ??”? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??”? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????

    ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??”? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?”?

    Patur Aval Assur
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    ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ????? ???????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Toldos Adam Perek 3 continued:

    ???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??”? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ???’ ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??”? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????

    in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071657
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    Toldos Adam Perek 3 continued:

    ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??”? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ????

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Toldos Adam Perek 3 continued:

    ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??”? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?”? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???’ ???”?

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Toldos Adam Perek 3:

    ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ??”? ?”? ???? ??????? ??’ ??”? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ??????

    in reply to: vegetarian? halacha issue? #1024130
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “Thus for someone to say that avoiding meat is because of a ??? of ???? they are using an incorrect definition of ????.”

    No, they are using a correct definition of ???? and applying it even beyond what is required of them.

    in reply to: Orchos Tzadikim and Rambam #1023627
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Well it’s definitely in Mivchar HaPeninim and I can’t seem to get my hands on Tikun Middos Hanefesh.

    in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071656
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Also, the Beis Yosef when explaining why Devorah was different, gives an additional answer – ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? and R’ Avraham Azulai in his hagahos to the Levush says ?? ??? ????? ????? without even mentioning the ?????.

    Patur Aval Assur
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    So for anyone who is still reading this, I think it’s time for another updated list:

    Shabbos 63a with Rashi

    Eruvin 48a with Rashi

    Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi

    Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi

    Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)

    Medrash Mishlei 10

    Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah

    Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56

    Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5

    Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin

    Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan

    Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a

    Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35

    Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14

    Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama

    Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah

    Chavos Yair siman 124

    Yaavetz

    Sifsei Yeshanim

    Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona

    Pri Megadim

    Even Shlaima 8:2

    He’aros ??

    Even Shlaima 8:7

    Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1

    Pele Yoetz Asupa

    Pele Yoetz Girsa

    Pele Yoetz Yesod

    Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27

    Dor Revii Hakdama

    Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4

    Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5

    Lev Aryeh hakdama

    Seridei Eish letter

    Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247

    Shevet Halevi 2:57

    R’ Eliyahu Feinstein

    R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz

    R’ Yaakov Kamenetsky

    R’ Moshe Feinstein

    R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach

    R’ Berel Soloveitchik

    R’ Moshe Chevroni

    R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman

    R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz

    R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv

    Patur Aval Assur
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    And in the follow up letter he reiterates:

    ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ?”? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?”? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?’ ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ??”? ?? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?????: ?????? ?????? ?’ ???? ??”? ??? ?’ ???? ?’ ???? [????] ?”? ?”? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ??”? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Pri Megadim in a letter printed in the beginning of Orach Chaim:

    ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????”? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??”? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???”? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??”? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?’ ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ??”? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?’ ???? ??”? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??”? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???

    ??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??”? ?????? ?????? ???? ???????”? ?????? ?? ?????? ????????? ?????? ???”? ??????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???”? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ??”? ????? ???????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ???? ????? ???? ?”? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??”? ??????? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ??”? ????? ?”? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?? ??”? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ???????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??????. ???? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???????? ????? ?? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??”? ??? ??? ????? ??’ ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??????? ??”? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????”? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ?????? ?’ ??? ???????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ???????? ?? ????? ?

    in reply to: Mayim Acharonim in our times #1035027
    Patur Aval Assur
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    The Levush writes ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? but just a few seifim later ha says ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???

    in reply to: Some information on our Mesorah you may have never learned #1023571
    Patur Aval Assur
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    “There is not a single disagreement in the Talmud about core matters of Judaism. Each and every single dispute in the history of Jewish Law has been about a minor detail of the Law.”

    While the first sentence might be true, the second one is definitely not, unless when you say “in the history of Jewish Law” you were still referring only up until Talmudic times. But anyway one can clearly see that since the Talmudic era there are many aspects of Torah which were lost/forgotten and many disputes even on major things.

    Patur Aval Assur
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    Chavos Yair Siman 124:

    (The entire Teshuva is geshmak but since it is rather long, I am only quoting the end of it.)

    ??? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???????? ???????? ?? ??? ??? ???”? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ??? ????? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ????? ???? (???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ???”? ???? ??? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?”? ????? ??? ?? ?’ ???? ???? ??”? ???”? ???? ????? ??? ?????”? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ?”? ?”? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ?”? ???? ?”? ?? ?”? ?”? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????”? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??”? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???”? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???) ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??”? ???????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???”? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???????? ???? ?”? ????? ?????? ??”? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ???? ???? ??????

    ????? ???? ???? ????

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    And he quotes the Sifsei Yeshanim as saying:

    ???? ???? ??”? ??????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????

    ?? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??? ???

    ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ?????

    ???? ?????? ?????? ?”? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ????

    ??? ???? ?? ??? and then quotes the Vavei Ha’amudim which I quoted above.

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    The Toldos Adam (perek 3) quotes the Yaavetz as saying:

    ??????? ???? ?? ?????? ?’ ????? ?? ???? ??”? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ??”? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?’ ??????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ??????? ????? ???”? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ??”? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???’ ?

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    Vavei Ha’amudim Amud Hatorah Perek 5:14 (son of the Shelah printed chelek 4 of the Shelah):

    ??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ??”? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??”? ??????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?’ ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????

    in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071655
    Patur Aval Assur
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    The ???? ????? writes:

    ????? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?”? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??”? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ??”?

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    ??. ????? ??? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??”? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????, ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??

    in reply to: vegetarian? halacha issue? #1024127
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    “Thus it is clear that shechting and eating meat is not a conflict with ????”

    The fact that something is not a conflict with rachum just means that it does not reach the level of (lack of) rachum which would make it an issue. That doesn’t mean that there is no rachum at play. Again see the Rambam.

    in reply to: The Rabbi Alshich Tanach #1089217
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Sorry, I was referring specifically to chumash.

    in reply to: The Rabbi Alshich Tanach #1089214
    Patur Aval Assur
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    I’m pretty sure I’ve seen them in gift world in Queens

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    ??. ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????

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