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July 24, 2014 3:45 pm at 3:45 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056697Patur Aval AssurParticipant
I never bump threads. If I happen upon an old thread and I see that I have something to add then I post it. In this case Sam2 had left off with a pshat that he was afraid to say because it might be kefira so I pointed out that the Rema says a pshat which might be similar.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo a non-Yeshiva guy wearing a hat would be the equivalent of impersonating a police officer. And I’m an undercover cop.
July 24, 2014 1:48 pm at 1:48 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056695Patur Aval AssurParticipantA comparative study of Popa and DaasYochid:
They both get equally wasted on Purim but Popa is choshesh that even that amount of wastedness is not enough, so he abstains from learning from Purim until Shavuos, whereas DaasYochid is choshesh that that amount of wastedness is too much so he stays up all night learning from Purim until Shavuos in order to justify it. And they both fall asleep during the early Shacharis on Shavuos morning.
July 24, 2014 1:44 pm at 1:44 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056694Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Is there any chance this is “Purim Torah”?”
Read the hakdama
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe point is that the Gra would have a legitimate kashya on Eliyahu from the Gemara in Taanis which there could be any number of answers to. But I’m claiming that the Gemara in Taanis is only referring to a certain type of Tefilla in which regular davening is not included.
July 23, 2014 11:22 pm at 11:22 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056690Patur Aval AssurParticipant“edited”
I don’t think Sam would have minded my joke.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantDid he say that you have to say shecheyanu for doing a mitzvah for the first time?
(Agav, is there any particular reason why people don’t wear hats before their Bar Mitzvah?)
July 23, 2014 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056689Patur Aval AssurParticipant“We drink a lot the whole year so that we can be mekayeim yoseir m’hergeilo in the best manner!”
the lashon of the Rema (quoting the Kol Bo) is ????? ???? ???????. I once heard someone (I think it was a Rebbe but I could be misremembering and it was actually me) say that it means that the amount you drink is dependent on the amount that you learn. In fact it would be interesting if in every yeshiva the mashgiach would go around on Purim telling people that they don’t learn enough to be drinking this much (or vice versa) unless the mashgiach himself is too drunk to do so.
July 23, 2014 10:17 pm at 10:17 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056688Patur Aval AssurParticipantWell I don’t have such bekius in the Catholic Church and the 30 seconds of research I did didn’t really turn up anything, so I wasn’t quite sure what the “Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival” so I assumed that it was something similar to this pshat of the Rema. I think what the Rema is saying is that there was a legitimate mitzvah to drink a little bit which might lead to aveiros that you are responsible for so Chazal decided that it would be better for people to be in such a drunken stupor that they would be completely unresponsible for their actions (though I don’t quite understand why deliberately getting drunk would be a ptur for your subsequent actions). Bear in mind that this is the third of three pshatim that he gives in explaining the ma’amar of “Chayev inish…” (although it is the only one about which he says ???? ?? ???? ????). So in summation, since I’m still not quite sure what you were suggesting, the best I can say at this point is ?? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????.
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Patur Aval AssurParticipantPeirush Hameyuchas L’Rashi on Pirkei Avos:
???? ?? ???: ???? ?? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI’ve never seen this Gra, but I assume you are referring to the Gemara (6b) which says that Eliyahu said ???? ?’ ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? which again was not regular Tefilla, but a response to specific problems that came up for Klal Yisrael at that particular time.
July 23, 2014 5:22 pm at 5:22 pm in reply to: maybe we all should stop getting drunk on purim #1056685Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Lula D’mistifina that it was Apikorsus, I would say a Davar Pashut that the reason the Chachamim over the centuries have not been Moche on drinking on Purim is a similar Cheshbon that the Catholic Church made with Carnival. I can’t say it, because I think that is K’firah, but when that’s what Purim becomes you’ve lost a Yom Tov and created a neo-Pagan holiday.”
???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ????
????? ????? ????? ?????? ??”? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???
(Rema in Machir Yayin)
July 23, 2014 4:14 am at 4:14 am in reply to: The correct pronunciation of "Expecto Patronum" #1066768Patur Aval AssurParticipantTo quote the Nodah B’Yehuda:
??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?????… ??? ???”? ????? ??”? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ??????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???????
July 22, 2014 11:36 pm at 11:36 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045894Patur Aval AssurParticipantBinyan Ariel Parshas Haazinu:
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????? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ????? ????”? ????? ??’ ??? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??”? ????’ ???’ ???? ?? ??’ ?”? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???”? ???? ?????? ?”? ????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ?”? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ???’ ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???????? ?? ?”? ?”? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??’ ??? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe Gemara (8b) is discussing when two tzaros come at the same time. It is not talking about regular Tefilla. Read carefully the words of the Shulchan Aruch, Levush, Magen Avraham, Aruch Hashulchan and Mishna Berurah.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe point is that Man does not have the right to use his reasoning against an explicit command of H’.
Patur Aval AssurParticipant??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ?’ ??? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????
(Berachos 7b)
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Presumably he thought he was following the tzivui, after filtering it through what he thought Hashem wanted”
When Chizkiyahu didn’t do peru urevu I would presume that he didn’t think that H’ wanted him to do peru urevu but he didn’t do it anyway beacause he didn’t want to have bad kids. Presumably he thought that since he would have bad kids, H’ would want him to not have kids. Yet Yeshayahu told him ???? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?????
July 21, 2014 11:39 pm at 11:39 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045893Patur Aval AssurParticipantContinued:
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July 21, 2014 10:48 pm at 10:48 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045892Patur Aval AssurParticipantContinued:
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July 21, 2014 10:28 pm at 10:28 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045891Patur Aval AssurParticipantContinued:
???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ???
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July 21, 2014 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045890Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe last quote and this one are further along in Toldos Adam Perek 3:
?”? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??”? ???? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???”? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???’ ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???”? ??? ????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ?????? ???? ?????
??????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? [??? ?? ?????? ??”? ?? ???? ???? ?????] ?? ?? ????? ????? ????? ????????
July 21, 2014 3:04 pm at 3:04 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045889Patur Aval AssurParticipant???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???’ ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ???’ ??? ?’ ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? [??? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ????] (?? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???????) ?? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???’ ??? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??”? ????? ???????? ??????? ??”? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ??
????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??”? ????? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?’ ??? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??”? ?? ????? ??????? ???? ???
July 21, 2014 2:56 am at 2:56 am in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045888Patur Aval AssurParticipantToldos Adam Perek 3 continued:
?????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???’ ??? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????
July 20, 2014 10:27 pm at 10:27 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045887Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe last two posts are also continued from Toldos Adam Perek 3
July 20, 2014 9:45 pm at 9:45 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045886Patur Aval AssurParticipant?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? (?????? ????”? ??’ ??”?) ??”? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??”? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????
?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??”? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?”?
July 20, 2014 9:34 pm at 9:34 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045885Patur Aval AssurParticipant???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ??????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ????? ???????
July 20, 2014 6:19 pm at 6:19 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045884Patur Aval AssurParticipantToldos Adam Perek 3 continued:
???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??”? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ?????? ???’ ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ??????? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???????? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??”? ????? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????
July 20, 2014 5:57 pm at 5:57 pm in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071657Patur Aval AssurParticipantSee also Shu”t Binyan Av 1:65
http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=52140&st=&pgnum=297
July 20, 2014 2:44 am at 2:44 am in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045883Patur Aval AssurParticipantToldos Adam Perek 3 continued:
??? ?? ???? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??”? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??????? ????? ???? ?? ????
July 18, 2014 6:10 pm at 6:10 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045882Patur Aval AssurParticipantToldos Adam Perek 3 continued:
??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ???? ??”? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?”? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???’ ???”?
July 18, 2014 4:22 pm at 4:22 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045881Patur Aval AssurParticipantToldos Adam Perek 3:
??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ??”? ?”? ???? ??????? ??’ ??”? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ??????
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Thus for someone to say that avoiding meat is because of a ??? of ???? they are using an incorrect definition of ????.”
No, they are using a correct definition of ???? and applying it even beyond what is required of them.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantWell it’s definitely in Mivchar HaPeninim and I can’t seem to get my hands on Tikun Middos Hanefesh.
July 16, 2014 4:33 pm at 4:33 pm in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071656Patur Aval AssurParticipantAlso, the Beis Yosef when explaining why Devorah was different, gives an additional answer – ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? and R’ Avraham Azulai in his hagahos to the Levush says ?? ??? ????? ????? without even mentioning the ?????.
July 15, 2014 10:57 pm at 10:57 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045880Patur Aval AssurParticipantSo for anyone who is still reading this, I think it’s time for another updated list:
Shabbos 63a with Rashi
Eruvin 48a with Rashi
Sanhedrin 42a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi
Avodah Zara 19a with Rashi (there are two different gemaras on 19a which I quoted)
Medrash Mishlei 10
Orchos Tzadikim Shaar Hatorah
Maharal Tiferes Yisroel Perek 56
Maharal Nesivos Olam Nesiv Hatorah Perek 5
Maharal Chiddushei Aggados Sanhedrin
Maharal Gur Aryeh Parshas Vaeschanan
Maharsha Bava Metzia 85a
Shelah Maseches Shavuos 22, 25-35
Vavei Ha’amudim 5:14
Maadnei Yom Tov Hakdama
Kli Yakar Amudei Shesh Amud Hatorah
Chavos Yair siman 124
Yaavetz
Sifsei Yeshanim
Chayei Adam Hakdama Acharona
Pri Megadim
Even Shlaima 8:2
He’aros ??
Even Shlaima 8:7
Shulchan Aruch Harav Hilchos Talmud Torah 2:1
Pele Yoetz Asupa
Pele Yoetz Girsa
Pele Yoetz Yesod
Ohr Yisrael Iggeres 27
Dor Revii Hakdama
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 4
Chofetz Chaim Likutei Amarim perek 5
Lev Aryeh hakdama
Seridei Eish letter
Shu”t Mishneh Halachos 8:247
Shevet Halevi 2:57
R’ Eliyahu Feinstein
R’ Baruch Ber Leibowitz
R’ Yaakov Kamenetsky
R’ Moshe Feinstein
R’ Elazar Menacham Man Shach
R’ Berel Soloveitchik
R’ Moshe Chevroni
R’Aharon Yehuda Leib Shteinman
R’ Michel Yehuda Lefkowitz
R’ Yosef Shalom Elyashiv
July 15, 2014 8:13 pm at 8:13 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045879Patur Aval AssurParticipantAnd in the follow up letter he reiterates:
???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ?”? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?”? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?’ ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ??”? ?? ???????? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ?????: ?????? ?????? ?’ ???? ??”? ??? ?’ ???? ?’ ???? [????] ?”? ?”? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???????? ????? ???? ?? ??”? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ????????? ???????? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ???
July 15, 2014 8:08 pm at 8:08 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045878Patur Aval AssurParticipantPri Megadim in a letter printed in the beginning of Orach Chaim:
??? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ????”? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ???????? ??????? ??????? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??”? ??? ???? ????? ?? ???”? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??”? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?’ ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ??? ???? ????????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ??”? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ?’ ???? ??”? ?? ?? ???????? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??”? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??????? ?? ???
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Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe Levush writes ??? ?? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? but just a few seifim later ha says ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?? ?? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???
July 15, 2014 7:25 pm at 7:25 pm in reply to: Some information on our Mesorah you may have never learned #1023571Patur Aval AssurParticipant“There is not a single disagreement in the Talmud about core matters of Judaism. Each and every single dispute in the history of Jewish Law has been about a minor detail of the Law.”
While the first sentence might be true, the second one is definitely not, unless when you say “in the history of Jewish Law” you were still referring only up until Talmudic times. But anyway one can clearly see that since the Talmudic era there are many aspects of Torah which were lost/forgotten and many disputes even on major things.
July 15, 2014 5:34 pm at 5:34 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045877Patur Aval AssurParticipantChavos Yair Siman 124:
(The entire Teshuva is geshmak but since it is rather long, I am only quoting the end of it.)
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July 15, 2014 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045876Patur Aval AssurParticipantAnd he quotes the Sifsei Yeshanim as saying:
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??? ???? ?? ??? and then quotes the Vavei Ha’amudim which I quoted above.
July 15, 2014 4:09 pm at 4:09 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045875Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe Toldos Adam (perek 3) quotes the Yaavetz as saying:
??????? ???? ?? ?????? ?’ ????? ?? ???? ??”? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ??”? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ???????? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?’ ??????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ??????? ????? ???”? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ????? ??????? ??? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ??”? ?? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ???’ ?
July 15, 2014 3:03 pm at 3:03 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045874Patur Aval AssurParticipantVavei Ha’amudim Amud Hatorah Perek 5:14 (son of the Shelah printed chelek 4 of the Shelah):
??? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????????? ??”? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ??”? ??????? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ???? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ?? ??????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?’ ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ??????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ????
July 15, 2014 2:36 pm at 2:36 pm in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071655Patur Aval AssurParticipantThe ???? ????? writes:
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July 15, 2014 2:25 pm at 2:25 pm in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045873Patur Aval AssurParticipant??. ????? ??? ???????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ??”? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ????, ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??
Patur Aval AssurParticipant“Thus it is clear that shechting and eating meat is not a conflict with ????”
The fact that something is not a conflict with rachum just means that it does not reach the level of (lack of) rachum which would make it an issue. That doesn’t mean that there is no rachum at play. Again see the Rambam.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantSorry, I was referring specifically to chumash.
Patur Aval AssurParticipantI’m pretty sure I’ve seen them in gift world in Queens
July 15, 2014 1:12 am at 1:12 am in reply to: For PF to Vicariously Rant Endlessly About the Over-Emphasis of Iyun through PAA #1045872Patur Aval AssurParticipant??. ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ?????? ????
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