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  • October 20, 2014 3:18 pm at 3:18 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175019
    Patur Aval Assur
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    Since I quoted the Pele Yoetz on this topic, it would be instructive to note that he holds that in a Yissachar-Zevulun deal the half that Zevulun gets is actually deducted from Yissachar:

    Pele Yoetz “Chizuk”:

    ???? ??”? ??? ?? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ???? ?? ?????

    ????”? ?’ ??? ??? ?????? ??’ ???? ?? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?”? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????”? ????? ?????? ???? ???”? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?’ ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ????”? ??? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????

    October 20, 2014 3:05 pm at 3:05 pm in reply to: Kabbalah #1036463
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “Well, at least now we know what PAA thinks we should be learning instead of a certain kind of iyun.”

    ???

    October 20, 2014 2:51 pm at 2:51 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175018
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    R’ David Friedman of Karlin, Emek Beracha Ma’amar 4:

    ???? ???? ??????? ????????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??”? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ???????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ??”? ????? ????? ????? ???????? ??”? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??????

    October 20, 2014 1:57 pm at 1:57 pm in reply to: Kabbalah #1036462
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    The Chofetz Chaim’s son about his father:

    ????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ??????

    October 20, 2014 4:30 am at 4:30 am in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061329
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “There is definitely a distaste for death in that book in general- especially toward the beginning- maybe the two ideas are linked….”

    See what he says immediately preceeding:

    ?????? ??? ?????? ?????????, ????? ?????, ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?????, ???, ?????????? ????? ??? ?????, ??????? ?? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??????, ???? ???????, ?????? ?????? ???? ?????, ?????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???, ?? ???????? ??? ???????. ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?????. ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????,??? ??? ???. ??? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ??. ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?????. ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????, ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ???????? ?????. ??? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????, ????? ???????, ?? ???? ????? ????? ??????. ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ?????. ?? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?????, ?????? ?? ???? ??

    ???? ???? ???? ???. ???? ?????, ????? ??????, ????

    October 20, 2014 4:20 am at 4:20 am in reply to: Response to Lior #1036913
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Golfer:

    It is very possible that you are correct, and like I said I can’t really speak for anyone else; I can only suggest why people would not want others (or the enormous amount of others) in kollel. But I think that something along the lines of what Jewishfeminist is saying, is true, namely that even if you don’t directly donate to a kollel, it is still a financial burden. The most obvious example is tuition – the more people not paying tuition, the more those who are paying will have to pay. I’m not agreeing or disagreeing with anyone’s right to be upset, but I do think that it is true that one side can honestly perceive the other side as being an economic burden and this can not necessarily be conversified.

    October 20, 2014 1:11 am at 1:11 am in reply to: Kabbalah #1036459
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Pele Yoetz “Yediah”:

    ????? ???????? ????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????”? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????

    October 20, 2014 12:55 am at 12:55 am in reply to: PAA's not-always-in-context Coffee Room Report Card Comments #1156574
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “If this is anything like the iyun thread, you’ll never end up deciding.”

    (DaasYochid)

    October 20, 2014 12:52 am at 12:52 am in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175016
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Lior:

    http://www.theyeshivaworld.com/coffeeroom/topic/response-to-lior

    October 20, 2014 12:22 am at 12:22 am in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175015
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “Mod’s Disclaimer-I did not read this”

    It’s ok. I don’t think anyone else will read it either.

    October 20, 2014 12:21 am at 12:21 am in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071709
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    “The current smicha is intended as an imitation of the original smicha. And the current smicha indicates a license to serve as a Dayan.”

    Where are you getting this from? Current Semicha is a certificate that certifies the recipient as knowledgeable in the areas of halacha which are specified in the certificate.

    October 20, 2014 12:19 am at 12:19 am in reply to: Kabbalah #1036458
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Tzava’ah of the son of the Shelah ose 26:

    ???? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??

    October 20, 2014 12:06 am at 12:06 am in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175014
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Sefer Habris Chelek 2 13:2:

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    Mod’s Disclaimer-I did not read this

    October 19, 2014 11:30 pm at 11:30 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175013
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Pele Yoetz “Parnasa”

    ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??”? ????”? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????

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    October 19, 2014 11:23 pm at 11:23 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175012
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Pele Yoetz “Umanus”:

    ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ????

    October 19, 2014 11:18 pm at 11:18 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175011
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Popa:

    I’m not sure if you’re joking or not.

    October 19, 2014 11:09 pm at 11:09 pm in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071706
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Lior, we are not discussing semicha from Moshe Rabbeinu. How can somewhat who doesn’t know Choshen Mishpat serve as a dayan?

    October 19, 2014 11:07 pm at 11:07 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175010
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Some people clearly didn’t read what I wrote in my first post, so I’ll say it again: “This is intended to be only a discussion of the sources so please don’t debate what should actually be done.”

    Lior: I will respond to you in a new thread.

    October 19, 2014 11:04 pm at 11:04 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175009
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Pele Yoetz “Torah”:

    ??? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???????? ???”? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?”? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ?”? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ??”? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???”? ??? ???’ ???? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ?? ?? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???”? ????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ?? ???????? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ?????? ???? ?? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ???”? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? ?”? ?????

    October 19, 2014 10:42 pm at 10:42 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175008
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Nesivos Ohr:

    (Referring to R’ Yisrael Salanter)

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    October 19, 2014 8:48 pm at 8:48 pm in reply to: Why Can't Women Get Modern Smicha and Become Rabbis? #1071704
    Patur Aval Assur
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    How is it implicit in a heter hora’ah that the certified can serve on a beis din if the heter hora’ah does not certify them in Choshen Mishpat?

    October 19, 2014 8:45 pm at 8:45 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175005
    Patur Aval Assur
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    R’ Nissim Gaon Berachos 9b

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    October 19, 2014 8:33 pm at 8:33 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175004
    Patur Aval Assur
    Participant

    Berachos 8a:

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    Penei Yehoshua there:

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    Ben Yehoyada there:

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    October 19, 2014 8:09 pm at 8:09 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175001
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    DaasYochid:

    Thanks for posting the Kessef Mishnah. I had started quoting it but then I was too lazy, especially considering that the Shach quotes it. And I noticed that you quoted the Igros Moshe before me, but it was not yet up when I posted it.

    October 19, 2014 8:07 pm at 8:07 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1175000
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    Maharsha Berachos 10b:

    ????? ?????? ??’ ????”? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??’ ??”? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??”? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??”? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ?? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ???”? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ???? ?? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??????’ ???’ ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ??? ??? ?? ???? ?”?

    October 19, 2014 8:05 pm at 8:05 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174999
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    Shu”t Tashbetz Siman 152-158

    October 19, 2014 7:58 pm at 7:58 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174998
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    Maharsha Kiddushin 82a:

    ???? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?????’ ??”? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ???????? ??”? ????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ?”? ????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ???????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ??’ ????? ?????? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??”? ?????? ??????? ????? ?”? ??’ ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ??’ ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ????? ?? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ??”? ???? ??? ??????? ?? ?? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??????? ???? ??”? ???????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?”? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??”? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ??????

    October 19, 2014 7:53 pm at 7:53 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174997
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    Beiur Halacha Siman 156:

    ???? ???? ?????? ??? – ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?? [???? ????? ?????? ?”? ?”? ???? ??? ????”? ??? ???? ???? ?”? ???? ????] ????”? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ??? ????”? ??”? ?????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ???’ ??”? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ?????? ?????

    October 19, 2014 7:50 pm at 7:50 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174996
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    Shulchan Aruch O.C. 156:1:

    ??”? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ??????? ?”? ???? ??”? ?? ???? ? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????

    October 19, 2014 7:47 pm at 7:47 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174994
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    Igros Moshe Y.D. 2:116:

    ????? ???? ??? ??????? ???????? ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ?”? ???? ???”?. ??”? ????? ?? ???? ????? ???????? ????”???? ???? ?”? ?????? ?????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ?????? ??????? ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ???????? ?? ??????? ????? ??????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???”? ??”? ???? ??”? ???? ?”? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ???”? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ???”? ??”? ???? ?? ???”? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????”? ???? ??? ???? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ?? ????? ???? ????”? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??’ ???? ????? ????? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ??”? ??”? ??”? ?”? ????? ??? ???? ?????”? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ?”? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?”? ????? ?????? ???”? ???? ??? ??? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ??’ ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???????? ??? ???? ????”? ??? ???? ????”? ??? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ??”? ?? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ??”? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ?”? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ???????? ????? ?”? ???? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ????”? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ??????? ???? ?????? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ?? ????? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? ???? ?”? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ???”? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ?’ ???? ?? ????. ????? ????? ????”?, ??? ?????????

    October 19, 2014 7:46 pm at 7:46 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174992
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    Shach Y.D. 246:20:

    ???? ???? ???? ?”? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????”? ?????? ????? ????? ???????? ???”? ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ????”? ?? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??’ ????? ??”? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ??”? ????? ????? ?? ???? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ????????? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?’ ????? ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ??????? ???? ?????? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ?? ??? ????”? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?? ??”? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ???’ ???’ ????? ???? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??’ ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ????? ??????? ???????? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?”? ??? ????”? ??? ??? ????? ??’ ?’ ??? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ?? ?? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??????? ???? ?? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ?? ?? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ?????? ??????? ??? ?”? ??? ??”? ????? ?????? ???

    October 19, 2014 7:40 pm at 7:40 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174991
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    Rambam Hilchos Talmud Torah 3:10:

    ?? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??????

    October 19, 2014 7:37 pm at 7:37 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174990
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    Shulchan Aruch Y.D. 246:21:

    ??? ???? ????? ???????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ???: ?? ????? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ????? ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?? ??? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ?? ???? ???’ ??? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?????? (???? ????) ??? ?? ????? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ??????? ???? (????? ????? ?????? ???? ???? ?’ ??”? ???”?) ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ?????? ??????? ?? (??”?) ??? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? (??? ???? ??? ????? ???”? ) ???? ???? ??? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ?? ????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ???? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? (??????? ?????? ???? ????) ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ???? ????????? ???? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ????? ????? ??”? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ??”? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??????? ?? ???????? ????? (?? ?? ?????? ??????) ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?? ????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ??????? ?? ?????? ??? ??????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ???????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ??? ?? ???? (????? ????? ??? ????? ????) ???? ?????? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? (????? ????”? ?”? ??”?) ??????? ???? ??? (??”? ???”?) ??”? ???? ?????? ????? (?? ??? ???? ??’ ???) ????? ?????? ????? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? (?????? ?? ?”? ???”? ???”? ?? ??’ ???”? ??’ ?”?) ?? ???? ??? ???

    October 19, 2014 7:29 pm at 7:29 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174988
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    Tur Y.D. 246:

    ??? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ?? ????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ???? ????? ???? ???’ ??? ?? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ?? ??? ??? ??????? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ??????? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ?? ??? ?? ??? ???? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ??????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ???? ?? ?? ??? ?? ?? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ?”? ???? ?? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ???? ???”? ???? ????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ??? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ???? ????? ????”? ?????”? ???’ ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ???? ?? ????? ????? ??? ???? ?? ???”? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ???????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ??????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?????? ?????? ???????

    October 19, 2014 7:24 pm at 7:24 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174986
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    Rambam Avos 4:6:

    ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ??? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ???? ??????? ????? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ?? ?? ?? ??? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ????? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ???? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ??? ??????? ??? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ???????? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ???????? ??????? ???? ????? ?????? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ????????? ??????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??? ?? ???? ??? ????? ?? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ????? ?? ???? ???? ?? ???? ????? ?? ??? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??????? ???????? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ??? ??????? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ?? ??????? ??? ???? ??????, ??? ???? ????????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ?? ????? ?????? ?????? ??’ ????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ??? ?????? ????, ??? ?? ???? ???? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?????? ???? ??? ???????? ??? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??, ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ?????? ?????? – ?? ?? ??????? ?? ??? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?????? ?? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ????? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?? ????? ?? ?? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ?? ????? ?? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ????? ??? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ?? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ????? ??? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ?? ????? ??’ ??? ?? ????? ??? ?????? ??????? ???? ????? ??????? ??’ ?????? ??? ??? ?? ????? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ??? ????? ????? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ???????? ??? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?’ ??? ????? ???? ??? ???????? ???? ???? ???????? ???????? ?????? ???? ??? ??? ?????? ?? ?? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ????? ?????? ?????? ???? ????? ????????? ?? ????? ??? ????? ?? ??? ????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ?? ???? ?????? ?? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ??? ?? ???? ????? ????? ??? ?? ?????? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?? ???? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ?????????? ????? ?????? ?? ????? ????? ???? ???? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ???? ??? ??? ???? ???? ?? ???? ?? ???? ??? ??? ????? ????? ???? ?? ???? ???? ????? ????????

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    October 19, 2014 6:55 pm at 6:55 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174985
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    P.S.

    If I know more sources for one side over the other it does not indicate that I am promoting a specific side.

    October 19, 2014 6:52 pm at 6:52 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174984
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    Berachos 35b:

    ?”? ????? ???? ?? ?”? ??? ???’ ?? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ?”? ????? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ??? ???? ?’ ?????? ?”? ?? ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ???? ???? ?? ??? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?”? ????? ???’ ????? ???? ???? ????? ???’ ????? ???? ????? ????? ????? ?? ???? ?????? ????? ?”? ???? ???’ ????? ???? ??? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ??? ???’ ????? ?? ?????? ???’ ??? ???? ???? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ???? ??’ ????? ?? ???? ??? ???? ???? ?”? ??? ????? ?????? ??????? ????? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ???? ??? ????? ????????? ???? ???: ??? ??? ?? ?? ??? ?”? ????? ???? ??? ????? ??’ ????? ?? ???? ??? ?????? ???????? ????? ???????? ????? ???????? ??? ????? ??? ??????? ???? ?? ??? ??????? ???? ????? ???????? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ??? ?? ??????? ????

    October 19, 2014 6:50 pm at 6:50 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174983
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    Radvaz on the aforequoted Rambam:

    ??????? ?????? ?”? ???? ????? ?? ????”? ??? ?????? ?? ????”? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ?? ?????? ????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ????? ??

    October 19, 2014 6:49 pm at 6:49 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174982
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    Charlie:

    You’re stealing all my sources. Well actually only some of them.

    October 19, 2014 6:47 pm at 6:47 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174981
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    Hilchos Shemitah V’Yovel 13:12-13:

    ???? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ????? ??????? ?? ???? ???? ?????? ????? ?? ?’ ????? ??????? ????? ?????? ??????? ??????? ????? ????? ???? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ????? ?????? ????? ????? ?? ?????? ????? ???? ????? ??? ?????? ??? ????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??? ??? ????? ??? ?’ ???? ???? ???? ??? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???? ??????. ??? ??? ??? ???? ??? ?? ??? ???? ??? ??? ????? ??? ???? ???? ???? ?????? ???? ????? ????? ???? ?’ ????? ??????? ???? ?? ?’ ???? ??? ??? ????? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ??? ???????? ????? ??? ???? ??? ???? ??? ?? ????? ??? ????? ????? ?’ ???? ?????? ????? ??????? ?????? ????? ?? ???”? ??? ?????? ?? ??? ???? ?????? ????? ??? ??? ?”? ???? ?’ ??? ???? ????? ??? ????? ?????

    October 19, 2014 6:36 pm at 6:36 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174980
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    Kiddushin 82a:

    ??? ???? ???? ????? ???? ??? ?? ??? ?????? ???? ???? ?????? ??? ?????? ??????? ??? ???? ?????? ???? ?? ????? ??????? ??? ????? ?? ??????? ??? ?????? ?? ??????? ??? ??? ??? ?????… ??? ?????? ???? ???? ??? ?? ?????? ?????? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ????

    October 19, 2014 6:35 pm at 6:35 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174979
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    Avos 2:2:

    ??? ?????? ??? ?? ??? ????? ????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?? ??? ??? ?????? ????? ????? ??? ??? ???? ???? ??? ????? ???? ???? ?????? ???

    October 19, 2014 6:22 pm at 6:22 pm in reply to: Torah Sources in Support of Kollel #1174977
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    Kiddushin 29a:

    ??? ???? ???? ????? ??????? ?????? ???? ??????? ??? ?????? ?????? ??”? ?? ?????? ???? ??? ????? ???? ?? ????? ???? ?? ??? ?????? ????? ?????? ?????? ?”? ??? ????? ????? ??????

    October 19, 2014 6:07 pm at 6:07 pm in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147467
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    Why are there any poor wizards? They can so easily get rich with muggle money and then exchange it.

    October 19, 2014 5:25 pm at 5:25 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061328
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    I might add (perhaps this will clarify some things) that in the very next paragraph he points out (and I alluded to this earlier) that there are significant differences between Salantarian/Blazzerian Mussar and Slabodka Mussar. He writes: “In all truth and fairness it should be emphasized that when the Musar movement reached a state of maturity in the Yeshiva Knesset Israel under the directorship of R. Nathan Zvi Finkel and in the Mir Yeshiva under the spiritual guidance of R. Yeruham Levovitz, it assumed an entirely different form and approached the world perspective of the great halakhic men. The fear, the terror, the melancholy evaporated, and their place was taken by a powerful sense of the holiness and joy of life. The act of cognition in accordance with the Halakha, new, original halakhic insights, spiritual creation, all replaced that exaggerated sensitivity and impressionability and that despairing perspective that had at first taken hold of the world of the Musar movement.” [Emphasis added]

    October 19, 2014 5:14 pm at 5:14 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061327
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    “psychic anomaly” was R’ Soloveitchik’s term though – ??????? ??????.

    October 19, 2014 4:42 pm at 4:42 pm in reply to: Totally Random Thread Title Just to Confuse PAA #1061326
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    Writersoul:

    I commend you on the triplical impressive feat of picking up Halakhic Man, starting to read it, and actually completing it.

    ??? ??????? ????? ????????? ???????

    I actually had not gotten up to that point in Halakhic Man yet (hence the above commendation). I was quoting from “The Rav The World of Rabbi Joseph B. Soloveitchik” by Rabbi Aaron Rakeffet-Rothkoff. For some reason I did not notice that he says that it is an excerpt from Halakhic Man, and I therefore assumed that he was just quoting something that R’ Soloveitchik had said or written somewhere. So you are correct; the English phraseology was not the eloquence of R’ Soloveitchik but of Professor Lawrence Kaplan, the translator of Halakhic Man.

    Here is R’ Soloveitchik’s original Hebrew:

    By the way, what about this point is not resonating with you?

    (I don’t know if this will help you but you can read the entire essay in the original Hebrew at http://hebrewbooks.org/pdfpager.aspx?req=12866&st=&pgnum=195 )

    October 15, 2014 8:02 pm at 8:02 pm in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147461
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    The snitch shouldn’t be worth anything. It should just cause the game to end.

    October 15, 2014 7:57 pm at 7:57 pm in reply to: Simchas Torah and women #1035706
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    Sam2:

    The shul that you davened in today presumably will give the women a Sefer Torah on Simchas Torah as well. Maybe you should tell us which shul it was. Or not.

    October 15, 2014 4:19 pm at 4:19 pm in reply to: NeutiquamErro's favorite thread with an obscure title #1147459
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    “Pygmie Puff.”

    Actually, presumably pygmie puffs didn’t exist in the first book, and by the sixth book the letter might have included pygmie puffs, or Ginny might have been breaking the rules, but if we’re going to suggest that Ginny broke the rules, we may as well just suggest that Ron broke the rules.

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