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@coffee everything could be discussed but not something beneficial to someones else?where’s commonsaychel with the Wikipedia page on trolling?
@health
the only reasonable way of phrasing your argument is that slavery is okay. naturally the question of reparations doesn’t begin. and the notion of slavery not being okay, even in this generation, also doesn’t begin.I am not going to debate whether or not it’s okay. the only question here is if reparations is Wokism or not, a question predicated on slavery is wrong. there is no way to say slavery is wrong in this generation but never was. and if you think there is please explain it using rational reasoning –not excerpts of a college ethics class.
@health
I never took any ethics course in college, chasdei hashem. but by any sane method of reason, morality doesn’t change. (of course circumstances and outside factors change, which can cause a difference in application of a moral, but never the core moral.)
I hope “moral” means “morality”. if not you can correct the above sentence to what I meant to say.@health
if you’d like to make an argument condoning slavery, this generation included, fine. but if the premise is that slavery is wrong, then it was always wrong. just because in generations past it was accepted to do wrong doesn’t change its wrongness.there are some good anti-reparations arguments presented here , most or all regarding the technicalities.
here is a partial list of ridiculous arguments:
it happened a long time ago
the slaves are dead now
in Asia there’s still slavery going on
there are blacks who enslave blacks (although this may be a good argument to the particular reparation plan)@philosopher where is the contradiction?
does this topic serve any purpose?
child prodigy
@philosopher where did I contradict myself?
@philosopher you seem to opine that the vaccines aren’t effective against the variants. does that mean u know the severity of those vaccinated yet newly infected?
basically there are 2 options. their situation is worrying and ergo your post. or they have mild symptoms and Israel is overreacting by like a million times. (there is precedent for these overreactions; see articles posted earlier on this thread). and in which case vaccines are doing their job.
I’d like to know which it is.
@Phil where did I contradict myself?
oh did I say something wrong?
yes. I guess you don’t listen to the news, or maybe you live in a red state. schools will forever remain on zoom, Biden will print more paper so no one goes back to work ever, masks will be mandated in all federal sites always and woe to anyone who dares not obey. well, not to worry, cuz you won’t be in all that many federal buildings, anyway….due to covid and out of concern for your health, nothing will be operating at normal activity anymore.
so please please please please go get vaccinated and win 1000000 papers. do it for yourself. do it for your loved ones. do it for the world. do it for science. do it for unity. just do it. please. and remember to still wear your mask and shoot yourself between the eyes before entering a public building. together we will get through this forever. that is, forever we will get through this together.
uh, what?
where’s the contradiction?@coffee
that was one of his many points and it’s dumb on several counts, not least because I’m sure there are many who could prove it.thanks. next question: of those vaccinated and infected , how many have serious symptoms?
I was asking based on the info we were told then. as I think I’ve mentioned, they did change a few stuff.
wow wow wow kind of hard to defend myself from this litany of challenges to what I never said nor implied.
it’s called inheritance, Phil. if someone owes money to someone and he dies, they pay it to the heirs.
a couple of reports about high infection rates in Israel…does anyone know how many of the 154 cases were vaccinated?
@Phil
you make good points. if they’re right, I’m with u. but the concept of reparations makes sense (if not in this application); not like what I’ve heard from others.btw even if blacks did sell other blacks, it’s not a reason to excuse slaveowners from paying the slaves. as to mixed races, etc. the only blacks who (would) deserve reparations are slaves’ descendents.
I was referring to black reparations. Manhattan was bought, I think, and you seem to also, judging by the quotation marks.
yeah you’re probably right. what’s the homeless situation there like?
to be honest I think reparations make sense. that is, the amount of unpaid work blacks gave should be paid by those who owned them, or their estates.
what do Irish get reparations for?
@avira
I don’t know any and never heard about any non-yekke who washes before kiddush.you say you don’t know any other posek who frowns upon non yekes doing this…that is, they’re ok with it? or they never heard about it/were never asked about it?
@gh
you’re so amazingly creative, but don’t waste your talent on twisting a logical (albeit cliche to the point of stale), sequential conversation into a pretzel.la, obviously.
and chasidim say “paysach” …you’d think it was a tzeirei.
@aaq “chafetz” or “chofetz” you mean ashkenaz pronunciation versus sefardic?
@lostspark what are you referring to?
wow am I really to understand that although he wanted yekke’s to preserve their minhagim he still discouraged non-yekkes from adopting their kulos??!!
@syag
that works.
you didn’t exactly phrase it that way the 1st time.if acceptance difficulty is the barometer, then yes, troll yeshiva is definitely up there. I tried a few times and couldn’t make it.
then again, there were a bunch of others that I didn’t make it….
quite right. aviraahdearah is entering (or starting) this current debate with many years of coffeeroom experience under his belt so don’t tell him to look anything up.
@avirah
I’m curious which hechsher you use. I’ve been told there are no kashrus agencies that avoid lubavitcher shochtim.I can’t help interjecting…
I only saw one “chutzpanyak” speak disparage about the rambam, and I doubt it’s who ur referring to.
I’m referring to the poster who implied that the rambam’s “rational approach” and “quest for truth” led him to unique conclusions in the gemara.aviradearah spoke rather disparagingly about someone, but not the rambam. and ur entire post makes it clear you didn’t read all his posts.
so extra piyutim is ok, kiddush is not.
indeed, seems like chazal messed up.
they should have learned mussar.Actually,
“you could make a small fortune in Eretz Yisroel
…if you come with a big one.”what a clear and thorough explanation.
during the winter, then.
I’m all for setting up kiddush after maariv. for then.
what I’m trying to say is why doesn’t anyone make a night kiddush.
“The biggest threat to democracy is Big Tech. As it stands now they are not subject to the First Amendment”
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They’re not required to implement the rights of the First Amendment in their businesses? is that what u meant?the good kichel is the sugary type. the flat crackery type is tasteless.
but I guess eaten with herring it’s some people’s idea of fish ‘n chips.@ujm
where’s the quote fromhmmm sounds like I was just mocked…do yekishe niggunim mean so much to you?
was I right?
I’m not impressed with yekishe niggunim, but I like early American tunes (which is yekish as far as I’m concerned): hotzas vahachnasas Torah, halelu, yivoreich es beis yisrael etc.
but not ein keiloheinu.@ujm
Joseph.