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I would think ztl is more accurate Mod, as it adheres to the Hebrew acronym. I’m not sure how you came to use your version.
OU-D.
So you’re anti-southern icot?
Why is makin’ fun of ’em southerners accent different than makin’ of ’em black folks accent?
Mod, why do you type tzl rather than ztl?
I eat firecrackers.
He’s the short bald chubby guy with a kippa sruga and walking with a cane. (The kippa is using velcro.)
Hilchos tznius (like all halachas) take precedence over EEOC regulations.
Because the New York City metropolitan area has better jobs, more jobs, and higher paying jobs than any other frum place in the United States.
chaplain – dump the ingrate.
Tell them you cut the foreskin per our convenent with G-d made by Abraham 3,000 years ago.
Exactly. This is a purely religious event and they shouldn’t be there.
There are less jobs OOT than in NYC (generally speaking.)
ckbshl:
Which posek disagrees with the Mishna Berura?
Perhaps the next issue of the RCA journal can publish a “limud zchus” for mixed swimming.
I have indeed read the article.
And so has Hagaon HaRav Miller shlit”a.
cherry: You must be referring to a certain Rabbi Professor whose so-called defense of that has been denounced as an evil diatribe that the Godol compared to Acher.
The Presiding Judge on the Appellate said he was bothered by the length of Shalom Rubushkin’s sentence.
Keep davening.
Marc Rich paid for his pardon with cash, not votes. It had nothing to do with New Square’s efforts. “Why only New Square?” 1) It wasn’t only NS who expended efforts and 2) Even if it were, then the question would be on those who didn’t. And PS efforts are not only expended on those people. But a community has a greater primary responsibility for its own. I said the primary reason was the first (PS).
According to some poskim women do not have to cover their hair all the time, even in front of non-related men.
ONLY if the woman is unmarried.
that list is all one liners taken completely out of context.
cucumber: Please put each of the above quotes of her into “context” for us, so that we can see the light that those comments really aren’t as dumb as they first seem.
You seriously believe there is any serious talk — other than perhaps by some wackos — to take the United States off the dollar and unto some “global currency”?
No oomis. yeshivabochor is 100% correct.
Feif: If that reason is accurate, the logic would lead to requiring someone who becomes a non-besula before marriage to cover her hair.
There are two limud zchus’ for that. One it was a matter of ????? ??????? (and B”H a successful one at that) which the Gemorah (Bava Basra 8b) calls a “Mitzvah Rabba” and Shulchan Aruch (YD 252:3) says delaying their freeing by even a moment is tantamount to murder and Rambam (Mishneh Torah, Hilchos Matanos Aniyim 8:10-11) says that there is no greater mitzvah than ????? ???????. So clearly that reason alone is enough. Additionally the elected position in question wasn’t an executive one but rather a legislative one, where the position was one Senator out of 100 and not able to exert authority by herself, thus the issur of a woman holding a position of parnas/serara (which is the crux of the issur) may have been less relevant. So that example doesn’t change the facts or prove anything claimed, considering the extenuating circumstances given – especially in the first reason.
When the “problem” occurs to a girl in the supermarket, it is far far bigger problem than when it occurs to a plumber in the bathroom.
aries: No one is c’v putting anyone down. A wife being submissive to her husband is not only the Jewish way, but the natural thing.
I answered the question about Devorah in the other thread with a Gemorah. In short, it in no way changes the halacha from the Torah that a woman cannot hold public office, be a Judge, or hold an authority position. Devorah was a specific one-time exception that Hashem specifically allowed, and further she could only rule with the consent of the people not otherwise, and the meforshim even say she only acted in an advisory role.
TakeaDeepBreath: Where in the Torah does it say anything about being equal? Rav Avigdor Miller zt”l said the husband is the Captain and the wife is the second in command as his First Mate. From his Sefer “Awake My Glory”:
1095. There cannot be two kings. The marriage relationship is two-fold. 1) The wife is submissive. This is not only Jewish but natural. There can be no harmony when there are two commanders. Without this indispensable condition, the home is disordered. “Arrogance is unbecoming a woman” – Megillah 14B. For a man it is not an ornament, but for a woman it is as if she wore a mustache. 2) The second, but equally essential foundation: a man must always demonstrate respect for his wife. This is “the way of Jewish men that… honor and support their wives in truth” as stated in the Jewish marriage contract. “He honors her more than his own body” – Yevamos 62B, Bava Metzia 59A. He is the captain, but she is the First Mate whose counsel is respected. She cannot be made a doormat, she need not beg for money, she deserves some assistance in the house chores, and the husband sides with her against his kin. He must express frequent appreciation and give words of encouragement, and he should remember his wife from time to time with gifts, big or little. Husband and wife should always say “Please” and “Thank You” and never forget to be always polite to each other.
Again, the issue is one strictly of din (like popa said), and has nothing to do with minhagim.
cherry: Once the Kallah is an eishes ish, the rules of an eishes ish apply. That is the basis for the psak that she immediately cover her hair. (Granting there is a differing opinion allowing until the morning.)
I believe that I am that way despite my best efforts to the contrary.
What kind of (unsuccessful) efforts do you expend to the contrary?
Wolf: Like charliehall (on the other thread), you are confusing two issues – 1) whether women should *vote* and 2) women holding public office.
No Rishon argues on that Rambam. It is universal.
ICOT: Thanks. Did you find that by giving it a shot to see if it would work?
Like I said, a clickable link to the older pages should be easily added to the CR with, probably, a very simple config file change of a simple bbPress setting from a “0” to a “1”.
Pascha: Do you go trading war stories with your friends of who achieved the highest IQ test results?
It’s a question of psak halacha, with different psaks. Nothing to do with “minhag”.
The Torah prohibits a woman from holding public office.
No.
I’ve heard her say dumb things many time over a long period. I don’t keep track of them or try to remember them. Here are a sampling of idiotic things I found she said:
“Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas.”
“I want people in Minnesota armed and dangerous on this issue of the energy tax because we need to fight back.”
”Michael Steele! You be da man! You be da man!”
”I’m very concerned about the international moves they’re making, particularly … moving the United States off the dollar and onto a global currency, like Russia and China are calling for.”
”I find it interesting that it was back in the 1970s that the swine flu broke out under another, then under another Democrat president, Jimmy Carter. I’m not blaming this on President Obama, I just think it’s an interesting coincidence.”
No, you can’t assume that.
pascha: How are you privy to multiple people’s IQ test results?
Tochacha doesn’t work like that Mike.
cherrybim: decorating or hanging?
r-b: The sentence started with “If I recall” is a tentative statement; the following sentence beggining with “He also added” is a definitive statement.
r-b: It isn’t minhag but halacha. A married woman needs to have covered hair.
cucumber: What’s so hard to understand? There are two separate and distinct problems with her holding public office: 1) She’s a woman and 2) She’s a dolt.
Devorah Haneviah was the only woman was was a Judge and had neviah, and the Gemorah discusses this and answers include that it was an extreme case and she was given permission by Hashem, and that she advised male judges.
Also, the Gemora in Kesuvos states that certain people who are on very high madreigos are allowed to act in ways that for normal people would be considered not tzniusdik, because to them, the woman (the Gemora is talking about a man) is not a taavah. You can be sure that the men were not looking at Devorah at the time – for all we know there was a seperation between them or she was off to the side or something else, but you can be sure that the circumstances were set up so as to facilitate tznius.
There are different shittas. Some say before the Chupa, some say immediately after the wedding.
cherrybim: Are you talking about decorating it or plastering it on the wall?
cucumber: Aside from the gender issue, she is a dolt.
cucumber: I’m simply saying a woman’s place is not in the public arena.
charliehall: Don’t equate what the Zionists accepted with “Klal Yisroel”.
Why were you tested?
No, I’d rather Mitt Romney than this dumbell.