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Always – it just tastes better to me, that way.
Wallenberg, President Reagan, Sean Hannity to name a few.
oomis: It was you? I am making a machooh. You are worse than the moslems, lol. “
I call ’em as I sees ’em… (and boo hoo…)
I am making a machooh about whomever called them only misguided. “
Uh, Popa…HELLO…
Yum…
I believe it is, however, assur regardless for reasons already mentioned. And incidentally, I know a few baalos teshuvah who have tattoos from before they were frum…and apparently, they’ve raised some eyebrows at the mikveh! “
It is not a chatzitzah, and IMO any mikvah lady who raises her eyebrows in an obvious manner at a young tattoed baalas teshuvah (who is coming to fulfill the mitzvah of Taharas Hamishpacha because she is NOW A FRUM WOMAN), should be given mussar immediately for potentially causing embarrassment to the young woman. What an aveira were she to make that B”T feel awkward, judged,or uncomfortable. The girl could chas v’sholom refuse to go back to a mikvah again.
Oomis, how is tefillin different than lulav? Women were not commanded to do either. “
A woman can bensch esrog and hold the lulav in privacy in her home and get the mitzvah. If those WOW were doing the same with the Tefillin, I would have nothing to say about them. It is the completely DISRUPTIVE nature of their actions, calculated to SHOW THE WORLD THAT THEY CAN do what they want and pretend it is in the name of spirituality, to which I personally object. I am sorry you cannot see the difference.
(TS)oomis,
It’s very dangerous to say that women should not do optional stuff before they finish doing required stuff. Firstly, who are we to determine what they should or shouldn’t do?
Secondly, do you shake lulav and esrog? Eat in a sukkah? Listen to Shofar?
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No, it’s not. If I have a certain achrayus to fulfill and I am not fulfilling it, because I am trying to fulfill someone ELSE’S achrayus, then I am wrong. Women SHOULD do optional stuff (when in fact it IS optional and they are doing it for the right reasons). Putting on Tefillin is not OPTIONAL for women. They were never commanded to do it at all, even if they had the time to. It might be permissible, according to some poskim, but that is not the same as being “optional.” Lulav and Esrog are a mitzvah for all of us, and since (from a woman’s standpoint)it can be done anytime of the day during the weekday part of Sukkos, that is not the definition of an optional mitzvah. It is our mitzvah. Hashem determined what we should and should not do. Eating in a sukkah is a mitzvah incumbent on men, that women may fulfill as well. We don’t get an aveira for not doing it, but we should do it, because ALL of klal Yisroel were freed from Mitzrayim, not just the men. I listen to the shofar because I feel great emotional connection to Hashem when I hear it. When my babies were young, I did not go to Shul. Nowadays, people will come to blow the shofar for shut-ins, or they will have a special shofar blowing later in the day for women while the husbands stay home with the kids. It wasn’t like that in the shtetl, perhaps. Where we are ABLE to be mekayeim a mitzvah, we should. Tefillin are a mitzvah specific to men, as is the wearing of a tallis. Are these women keeping strict kashrus and Shabbos? (If they are, kol hakavod, but someone who has no derech eretz for the Kotel, probably is lacking in other areas, as well).
(TS)”Why? Do you do everything you’re supposed to do?
And I’m not a big fan of WOW, I think most feminists are wackadoodles, but if this brings them closer to Hashem, then I really don’t see the big deal of having them daven in the women’s section. Politically as well, it does not make sense to fight this. It’s a losing battle and is just causing more animosity, which will cause more people to actually not give in to charedi demands. It’s the classic case of biting your nose to spite your face”
I am not such a tzadeikes that I do everything I am supposed to do. I wish I were, and I work on myself for that reason. But I work on mitzvos that are incumbent on me, not on the one that someone else has to do. I am not a Kohein (though I am a bas kohein). Should I try to duchen? The wackadoodles as you call them, are not coming closer to Hashem. they are distancing themselves (and others) FROM Hashem, and are extremely misguided. Let them sit and learn some real Hashkafa (not kabbalah, not feminist propaganda, not stuff that attempts to make them feel bad about Torah values in an effort to stroke their egos.
I repeatedly saw this in the late 60s when I was in college, and I can tell you for an absolute certainty,they were UTTER phonies then, and these ladies seem to be following the same types of gurus as those of the past. Not one of the ladies who made a big deal out of having their own minyan and putting on Tefillin (And no one stopped them then), actually became frummer, and several went REALLY off the derech, as I recall vividly.
Dayeinu.
Rav Moshe explicitly says it is assur, as I linked earlier. There isn’t “absolutely no halachic question”. “
Perhaps that is because when one is wearing Tefillin one is not permitted to do anything that is not b’kedusha (which is why men do not have to wear it ALL day, as is the ideal). A woman’s role, which primarily consists of being the aleres habayis and rearer of the new neshamos that she helps bring into the world, must of necessity get her hands dirty. She is touching things that while are of a holy endeavor, are nevertheless still found in dirty diapers, shmutz, and such, and therefore it would not be fitting for her to have a chiyuv to wear Tefillin, as at any time of the day, she could be called up immediately to fulfill that aspect of her role, the tafkid, I might add, for which she was designed by Hashem. The fact that some women are not content with that being the case, and who somehow feel they are being cheated out of the men’s chiyuv, is a sad commentary on what has happened to our society over the last 60 years.
I don’t believe women should be chattel, or belittled, or made to feel that our role in society is somehow less valuable than a man’s, but neither do I want to be a man, and in fact I am very grateful to be doing what I do, instead of dragging myself out of bed at 5 AM no matter what, to get to a minyan every day. For women who do not yet have the responsibilities of home and motherhood (or who disdain those responsibiities), I reiterate what I have always said – let them do the specific mitzvos and chiyuvim that they already have, properly, and then we’ll talk about the ones in which they have NO chiyuv.
I always learned btw, that while there is no chiyuv for a woman to be wearing Tefillin (b’tzniyus), there is no issur, either. She just does not get a s’char mitzvah for it like a man does, because she is not metzuvah.
Oh Shreck – very well-expressed.
Pou bear and Wiy: I don’t have tattooed makeup. I would imagine it was in the vein of beauty (no pun intended). I have seen frum women who have had this done, and every one of them has mentioned her rov allowed it. I do NOT recommend this, think it is a bad idea, but they are absolutely women whom objectively would be viewed as frum. Maybe their rov knows something the rest of us do not, about their specific situation. Only in one case do I know for a fact that this was done to correct the appearance of a medical deformity.
If you think women wearing tallis is wrong, then don’t do it.”
I don’t do drugs. it’s wrong. You should not either, because IT’S WRONG, but as long as you break no laws (well that would be difficult since they ARE illegal), I could not stop you from shooting up in private. Many things from which we refrain are wrong; wrong subjectively AND objectively. Something like this that causes public disturbance at the holiest site of the Jews, is no longer a matter of don’t do it yourself if you don’t like it.
It’s a little like smoking. If you smoke where I have to breathe, then you are infringing on my rights, which must take precedence over yours, because I want to be healthy and clearly you don’t. I am not stopping you from smoking in your owen domain. Just don’t bring your poison into the public one.
Had the Charedim totally ignored them and let them be, they would have done they wanted in obscurity and nobody would be paying attention and they probably would have stopped as nobody new would have come and people would have dropped out.”
We’ll never know. But the fact is that they are deliberately seeking to cause divisiveness, and a frum person does not knowingly cause such damage in a public way. This is their cause du jour. If they REALLY had to put on Tallis and Tefillin every day (and they certainly could do so in privacy), they wouldn’t, because there would be no publicity value in that.
The WOW should not be confused with the reform. “
While I can appreciate your point, they choose to ALIGN themselves with reform leaders (of course, because what frum person would seek to encourage the Chillul Hashem they have been doing?), so the “confusion” is really not so confused at all.
I think Beruriah also wore tefillin, if I am not mistaken.
Shocking to know that a “frum” person would want to go that far”
Then you would be VERY shocked to know how very many women have permanent eyeliner and lipliner, and they are all frum women. I cannot see how anyone could allow someone near their eyes with a needle for what I think is a frivolous reason (when they can put on makeup easily enough), but as I am not doing it myself, it’s not for me to judge others. They all had heterim to do this, and most of them had it done in E”Y, where it is very popular, apparently. Only in one case, was it to replace missing parts of eyebrows, lost to disease.
Except for the kol isha part, there is no inherent issur on the rest of it. They, however, make a big shor of what they are doing, and as Shakespeare said, “The PLAY’S the thing…” If they were truly doing it to serve Hashem out of a great spiritual need, they would do it in an acceptable way.
As to the Tefillin, there is no issur for women to wear them, but there is no obligation, either. If they are doing the mitzvos they are chayavos in, with the same zeal and zrizus as they are putting into their phoniness with the Tefillin, then I have nothing to object to, except for the Chillul Hashem of their public display, of course.
There isn’t. The issur is on making a spectacle of oneself in the false claims that it is in order to serve Hashem, when clearly it is only to serve one’s own ego. They are putting on the tefillin and Talleisim in a public place that the men need to be separate in order to daven. They are doing it for publicity and to break down our traditions. They admit this.
Good question. Maybe the elevation is from something it has to overcome from a previous life, that was not so nice. I really do not understand the concept of gilgul because it does not align with what I was taught about a deserving neshama going to Gan Eden, unless it only happens to those in need of a literal refuas hanefesh.
We don’t know who they are – – they’re hidden.
K’vod Hashem
K’vod haTorah
K’vod habrios
If you have the above, you will be honest, hopefully serve Hashem with simcha, have a good work ethic, and all of the above mentioned maalos. And my main motto in life is be nice to everyone – you never know who will end up your mechutan.
Makeup has been part of women practically since time began. If not, the Jewish women would not have had such a zechus for using their mirrors to beautify themselves for their husbands. Unless I am mistaken, weren’t their mirrors used to make the Kior for the Beis Hamidash (I could be confusing this with something else)?
Medical Necessity may refer to the idea that a surgeon would make a permanent mark on an organ or body tissue to to mark a site for sugery or further exploration. “
Don’t they usually do that with magic marker?
But rivky persevered and in the end married a learning boy from the Mir whose patents supported them.”
What did the boy invent and how did he get the patents? 🙂
Totally
Several frum women from E”Y have had eyeliner tatooed on. I have seen them, and expressed surprise, because I had never heard of such a thing. It apparently is popular to do this. I cannot imagine allowing anyone near my eyelids with a needle, even if it turned out to be muttar.
Take all your pictures MINUS the chosson and kallah together, before the chuppah. Then afterwards just take immediate family with both chosson and kallah. If you make sure in advance that the people you weant in pictures are ALL still in the chuppah room (or wherever the pics will be taken) and you don’t have to waste time tracking down a missing aunt and uncle or some other extraneous family member, AND if your photographer knows what he’s doing, it shouldn’t take so long.
My friend has a driveway that is literally shared with his neighbor (only one way in or out, and then branches into separate parking areas). When we come to visit, we do not pull into his driveway unless we know for a fact that the neighbor is ok with that. When the driveways are two discrete areas side by side, then it is a major chutzpah for someone to encroach on a side that belongs to someone else, just because he “used to be able to do it.”
You bring up valid points, and there is a hereditary component to CERTAIN types of depression (but not all). Nonetheless, if Klal Yisroel did not stop having children even though Pharaoh was throwing the boys into the Nile, you should not think of yourself as WRONG for having children some day, BE”H. With Hashem’s help, they could and WILL be healthy, normal children. To alleviate some of your fears, why don’t you speak a) to a Rov for guidance and b) to a doctor who specializes in mental health issues and the drugs which you need to take and who is knowledgeable about the hereditary aspect. Hatzlacha rabbah in finding your basherte.
Come on! Elu V’Elu means they were both right (just don’t ask me how) ”
IS that what Elu v’Elu means, or does it mean that no matter which side is actually correct, BOTH sides have the merit and kedusha of being Hashem-inspired?
Whether or not I follow a specific Rov’s p’sak personally, I still have kovod for the fact that this is a person of great Torah learning. The Rishonim might have disagreed with each other at times, but their words are still holy.
One cannot tell “a” what he or she can tell someone else regrading “a”‘s property unless it impinges on your property. It’s annoying, but true. Unless someone is breaking the law or a City ordinance of some type, you have no recourse. I HATE shared (for all practical purposes) driveways. It’s really best to have a definite line of demarcation, so there is no confusion. I would paint a yellow bus stripe down the middle or plant something, just to clairfy the boundary.
It is a huge aveira. First of all, if it is an aveil’s kaddish, it is disrespectful to both the mourner AND to Hashem. Second, someone is affirming Hashem’s greatness, and some boor has to TALK at that moment??? I knwo that whatever I am doing when I walk into my Shul, if I hear Kaddish, I stop in my tracks and answer amein. I go to a shiur once a week at night right after the men daven maariv, so I typically hear Kaddish being said more than once. Though I am not in the minyan obviously, I stand up, stop my conversation and respond appropriately to the Kaddish.
My Rov told me there is written somewhere in E”Y on a stone or something, that one who talks during Kaddish loses all bracha (meaning gets a k’lala chas v’sholom). Has anyone ever heard of such a thing?
Why would any frum Yid want to be so disrespectful in Shul, and to someone who has lost a family member?
They cannot park in YOUR driveway. What you neighbor allows them to do in HER driveway is her business. I feel for you, I really do, as I live next door to a Yeshivah where the bochurim, mispallelim, sometimes even rebbeim are frequently encroaching on my driveway, even if it is “only a little bit,” and often blocking it entirely. When they block just a little, it prevents me from going into my own driveway, especially if there is another car on the other side of the driveway, and I have difficulty walking at times, aso parking far down the street is not an option for me. The bottom line – all people have to have real consideration for other people.
Besides that some allergic reaction actually decrease the blood pressure, so the fact that Epi brings it up is beneficial. “
That certainly is a very good point. That gives even more strength to the fact that emergency follow-up care is essential.
I am unaware that DD are baked anywhere and then shipped to all the franchises. I would only buy the donuts in a store under hechsher.
Donuts with cheese??? I don’t think they make something like that – I have never seen a cheesecake donut there. In the DD near me, I have never even seen the Morningstar Farms stuff, unless they have added that very recently.
Of course the ER will do cardiac monitoring, usually for around 4-6 hours but that’s not the real concern”
True,regarding the amount of time they will continue to monitor the child. And is the blood pressure not affected by the heart rate? Regardless of WHAT they are looking out for, anyone getting an epi pen must get to an ER ASAP. It’s definitely a Hatzolah call.
Mazel tov. Hope your experience in transitioning into “the tribe,” will be inspirational and joyous.
How long does it last? that depends on what it is? some makeup put on before Shabbos with sealants, etc. might last through the night and most of the day. The powedered permissible makeup according to the poskim who mattir them, lasts for much, much less time and requires reapplication,which is probably why they consider it permissible.
Mewho, I wish what you said were the emes! Sadly, many of us need a little (read: a LOT) of help.
Unless you have a heart condition you don’t have to be concerned about the increased heart rate.
The reason you should go to the ER is because the Epi wears off, it’s only a temporary relief. “
Not according to my (otherwise healthy) grandkids’ allergist who is a top allergy doc on LI. The heart rate is affected by a shot of adrenalyn or dose of epinephrine, and anyone who has been given an epi shot should immediately be brought to the ER for monitoring.
Women of the Wall are trying to make a statement of their ideology, which has NOTHING to do with frumkeit. They are misled by charismatic and misguided people.
If they were truly frum, they would understand the damage they are doing. Also, they should be asked if they are properly following the halachos they have a chiyuv to follow, before trying to follow ones that they don’t. Equality has ZIP to do with that. I am not a doctor and I cannot practice medicine because of that. I am no less a person because of that. Putting on a white coat and holding a pressure cuff will not make me a doctor. Wearing a tallis and tefillin to daven in a place that causes an upheaval, will not make a woman a man, much less a better Jew.
And, I don’t know that any make-up was ever manufactured according to R’ Moshe’s psak; I’m even more doubtful today.”
So check into it further. You may be pleasantly surprised at what you find out.
I don’t think shaas had’chak is minimal Halacha. It is Halacha for a rare emergency occurrence, isn’t it, when one has no other choice?
You may eat meat under one type of very machmir hashgocha. Perhaps I eat meat under another one, more mainstream. If you were to eat the same meat as I, because there was nothing else available, you might feel that is shaas had’chak. But if that meat is meeting (pun intended) the minimal proper standards of kashrus, you may not want it for yourself, but it certainly is no shaas had’chak for most people. For me Sh”H might mean eating NON-glatt meat that I knew to be kosher because I had no food and needed protein and that was all that was available or would be available (though I would just eat whole fruit or vegetables, probably, in that case). It’s a semantic issue in many ways. Allowing a permissible form of makeup is not equivalent to eating what someone else might consider as non-kosher. I do understand your point, however.
And, I don’t know that any make-up was ever manufactured according to R’ Moshe’s psak; I’m even more doubtful today.”
So check into it further. You may be pleasantly surprised at what you find out.
I don’t think shaas had’chak is minimal Halacha. It is Halacha for a rare emergency occurrence, isn’t it. You may eat meat under one type of hashgocha. perhaps I eat meat under another one. If you were to eat the same meat as I, because there was nothing else available, you might feel that is shaas had’chak. But if that meat is meeting (pun intended) the minimal proper standards of kashrus, you may not want it for yourself, but it certainly is no shaas had’chak for me. For me that might mean eating NON-glatt meat that I knew to be kosher (though I would just eat whole fruit or vegetables, probably, in that case). It’s a semantic issue in many ways.
If you ever use an epipen, immediately go to an ER for follow up treatment, as the EPI can cause your heart rate to change dramatically.
Not every chiropractic movement causes a popping. Health is correct, however, there are SOME quacks in the field, just as there are quack medical doctors, quack dentists, quack psychologists,quack lawyers etc. In fact there are so many quacks in all these fields, that one ought to DUCK when one of them walks by.
I come from a family of chiropractors and have seen first hand what an amazing healing specialty it can be. No it cannot cure every ailment, but for a bad back, neck, and a whole host of other problems, it can accomplish miracles.
I took my own kids to my chirpracric family members since birth(they are all adult now) and it really helped them when they were sick or had headaches. I myself went to them throughout my pregnancies, and my sciatica went away LITERALLY in an instant. I remember vividly the day I could not get up off the floor, I was in so much pain, and my brother adjusted me right where I lay, and a second later the pain was completely gone. I thank Hashem for giving over such a talent into the hands of specialists who do not need to rely on drugs to be effective. When drugs are necessary, they are a miracle, but when chiro care can help, it too is miraculous. (And yes, you can hear a POP).
Tell that to Rabbi Yehuda HaNasi.
Tzedaka comes in many forms. Who is to say whether or not real tzedaka lies in helping a child to get a pair of nice Shabbos shoes that he might otherwise not be able to afford, so that he could feel more like the other kids in school? And before anyone says, “That’s giving in to peer pressure,” I didn’t say to get him $100 shoes. But a nice pair of Shabbos shoes is not too much to ask.
Halachah is not always black and white, and any yarei shamayim should have standards somewhat above the absolute minimum, each one l’fi madreigaso. “
We surely agree in that! But also keep in mind that the MINIMUM Halacha IS the Halacha. If it were not, then the person would be oveir the Halacha.
If Hashem were displeased with our following only the minimum, wouldn’t ir make sense to say that He have raised the bar Himself l’chatchilah, so that the minimum was much more stringent? I may hold a certain way in a specific area of Halacha that is more personally machmir than another person, but if that person is following Ratzon Hashem, even if it is more lenient than what I do, he is likewise a frum Yid. In any case, I agree that people should always seek to elevate their avodas Hashem, as long as they do not disparage those whose avoda is at a different hashkafic level.
Not funny.
indeed one who wants to do anything, should certainly keep asking until one finds someone who permits it. better yet just ask the cr. someone will give a heter.
everytime I think the cr has gotten to its lowest point, I am surprised again. “
Nitpicker – One who wants to do something and asks her rov a shailah and gets a p’sak which she does not like,as often happens when we ask shailahs, is NOT allowed to keep asking until she finds a rov to give her a heter. I am frankly surprised you made such a comment. I am certain you know the halacha in this regard.
If you read my post properly, you saw I specified to ask a rov and not those of us in the CR. And if this is what you consider a low point, B”H and halevai that this WERE the biggest problem facing klal Yisroel today, especially when there is a heter.
DY – I certainly did not intend an offensive comparison, and thank you for recognizing that. The main thrust of my post was that one has a Rov for a reason, and it is not a BAD thing to find a legitimate (L E G I T I M A T E) heter for how to do something that might otherwise be thought to be assur. We have Kosher Clocks and Lamps for Shabbos. I am sure there are people who don’t use them, either. But if one MAY use such devices and there are respected rabbonim whose opinion it is that dry powdered makeup applied over clean skin is permissible, then that is the end of it. R’ Dovid Weinbergera very well-respected Rov, also permits the Shabbos makeup, as I understand it, and I believe gives his own stamp of approval to a specific line of Shabbos cosmetics, unless I am greatly mistaken. (Please correct me if I attribute this to the wrong person).
To say someone permits something because so many people do it anyway, bothers me a great deal, if intrinsically it is something that is assur to do. Would we argue that it’s ok to text message on Shabbos, because so many otherwise shomer-Shabbos teens are doing so anyway and find a heter for it (which I cannot envision)? This is actually a very big problem in many communities in recent times. If the makeup were really an issur from every standpoint, with no mitigating factors to mattir it, it would not be muttar.